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MaxInDHouse:
NO!
That's not the point we agreed to resolve with the Bible it's about how to DISTINGUISH BETWEEN TRUE and FALSE TEACHERS.
That's why i quoted Jesus who said it's by their fruits {Matthew 7:15-20} so after condemning an organization claiming they are false teachers i asked you to present the good teachers at least those who taught you the Bible!🙂

So let's do one thing at a time before moving on. Do we both agree that the JW is a false organization? We need to build on that before getting to deciding which organizations are not false.
I actually thought you agreed with me on that already. Please confirm.

tctrills:
So let's do one thing at a time before moving on. Do we both agree that the JW is a false organization? We need to build on that before getting to deciding which organizations are not false.
I actually thought you agreed with me on that already. Please confirm.

Going by their FRUIT that's the one and only true Christian organization on earth today.
So let's talk about your true TEACHERS at least the ones who taught you!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Going by their FRUIT that's the one and only true Christian organization on earth today.
So let's talk about your true TEACHERS at least the ones who taught you!🙂

And what is the name of the organization?
You ask who taught me when everything I have ever discussed with you is in the bible. Don't Jesus Christ and His apostles make the best teachers?
Again you some how feel that I must present a teacher to you but you don't require the same from the white man council that controls your organization.
Have you ever asked them who their teachers are?
The JW council don't seem to have any known teachers and you are comfortable with that so why are you not comfortable when I don't present you a teacher.
Or is it because of skin color?

tctrills:
And what is the name of the organization?
You ask who taught me when everything I have ever discussed with you is in the bible. Don't Jesus Christ and His apostles make the best teachers?
Again you some how feel that I must present a teacher to you but you don't require the same from the white man council that controls your organization.
Have you ever asked them who their teachers are?
The JW council don't seem to have any known teachers and you are comfortable with that so why are you not comfortable when I don't present you a teacher.
Or is it because of skin color?

Good question!
Jesus TAUGHT a GROUP of MEN and told them to teach his ORGANIZED GROUP of his disciples so if i found a GROUP of MEN and see what they are able to achieve {Matthew 7:16-18} with imperfect humans from all the nations throughout the earth {Matthew 28:19-20} surely i will accept such a GROUP as my own teachers too as Jesus never handed over the work of teaching to any single individual so if you claim that Jesus taught you directly to go teaching others then i will take you for a liar.
WHY?
Because that is what led to contradiction in the churches of Christendom as each individual wants to establish his own church claiming Jesus taught him directly!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Good question!
Jesus TAUGHT a GROUP of MEN and told them to teach his ORGANIZED GROUP of his disciples so if i found a GROUP of MEN and see what they are able to achieve {Matthew 7:16-18} with imperfect humans from all the nations throughout the earth {Matthew 28:19-20} surely i will accept such a GROUP as my own teachers too as Jesus never handed over the work of teaching to any single individual so if you claim that Jesus taught you directly to go teaching others then i will take you for a liar.
WHY?
Because that is what led to contradiction in the churches of Christendom as each individual wants to establish his own church claiming Jesus taught him directly!🙂

You started by saying good question but you did not attempt my question. I am not sure I even get your point.
My question is who taught the founders and leaders of your church. Do you understand it now?

tctrills:
You started by saying good question but you did not attempt my question. I am not sure I even get your point.
My question is who taught the founders and leaders of your church. Do you understand it now?

Just as the Apostles claimed Jesus taught them and i believe because the setting is well arranged so also the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses also claimed Jesus taught them and so far so good everything is well organized just as it was with the first century Apostles!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Just as the Apostles claimed Jesus taught them and i believe because the setting is well arranged so also the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses also claimed Jesus taught them and so far so good everything is well organized just as it was with the first century Apostles!🙂

so you believe anyone that told you Jesus Christ taught them but not me?
Listen to yourself,
so if you claim that Jesus taught you directly to go teaching others then i will take you for a liar.
But your white lords made the same claim and you swallowed it.

Let me continue to quote you

WHY?
Because that is what led to contradiction in the churches of Christendom as each individual wants to establish his own church claiming Jesus taught him directly

So even by your judgement, the actions of your white overlords led to contradiction on Christendom because they established a church claiming Jesus Christ taught them.

Now, I know you are going to make a mighty U-turn so let's have it.

If Jesus Christ can teach your white overlords, why do you think he can't teach me?

tctrills:
If Jesus Christ can teach your white overlords, why do you think he can't teach me?

I told you already:
Jesus never taught a single individual for that assignment.
An individual can pray to God secretly for guidance on certain matters that's PERSONAL {Matthew 6:6} but when it comes to deciding on matters involving teaching Jesus' disciples it could only be as a group that is when Jesus will be there in spirit to guide them {Matthew 18:20} that is why Paul and Barnabas were sent to the Apostles (GROUP) in Jerusalem on matters involving doctrine that could be disputable {Act 15:2} so that it's what the GROUP concluded upon that's binding on all the disciples in the first century. Act 15:23-29
Jesus said whatever this GROUP bind on earth will be bound in heaven and whatever the GROUP loosen on earth will be loosened in heaven. Matthew 16:19
So can you now present the group that's teaching you just as you are seeing the way first century disciples of Christ were ORGANIZED and ORDERLY? 1Corinthans 14:40

MaxInDHouse:
I told you already:
Jesus never taught a single individual for that assignment.
An individual can pray to God secretly for guidance on certain matters {Matthew 6:6} but when it comes to deciding on matters involving teaching Jesus' disciples it could only be as a group that is when Jesus will be there in spirit to guide them {Matthew 18:20} that is why Paul and Barnabas were sent to the Apostles (GROUP) in Jerusalem on matters involving doctrine that could be disputable {Act 15:2} so that it's what the GROUP concluded upon that's binding on all the disciples in the first century. Act 15:23-29
Jesus said whatever this GROUP bind on earth will be bound in heaven and whatever the GROUP loosen on earth will be loosened in heaven. Matthew 16:19
So can you now present the group that's teaching you just as you are seeing the way first century disciples of Christ were ORGANIZED and ORDERLY? 1Corinthans 14:40

You are just going round in circles.
No where is it written that Jesus can't teach an individual. He said, my spirit will teach you. His spirit does not sit people down to teach them as a group. It witnesses to individual hearts. I have always told you to depend on the bible and not on guesswork or human calculating.
You are claiming that because Jesus Christ taught 12 men as a group, it is impossible for Him to teach an individual. Neither Jesus Christ or His apostles made such false claims.

Lastly the Catholic church is also a group same with many other churches so you don't really have a point.

Now make your 3rd U-turn of the night, I am waiting

You are now making the claim that as long as it is a group that claims Jesus Christ taught them, you believe but some how, you don't believe any other group making the same claim.

tctrills:
Now to the next point, you are now making the claim that as long as it is a group that claims Jesus Christ taught them, you believe but some how, you don't believe any other group making the same claim.

This is where the FRUIT comes to play! Matthew 7:15-20

First of all if you think Jesus is teaching each individual then there is no reason why you should expect someone who also believe in Jesus and the Bible to ask you for anything after all everyone should ask Jesus waiting for him to teach them individually!

So let's go back to the GROUP setting.

The Apostles are the small GROUP Jesus handed over the teaching of his disciples to {Act 2:42} but how can we know if the GROUP is teaching heresy and not what Jesus taught?

Jesus answered: By their fruits!

What is the fruit expected of Christianity?

God planted a tree which is Jesus himself {John 15:1} so this tree started having branches {John 15:4-5} if any of the branches doesn't rely on the tree it can't bear fruit so it will be cut down spiritually speaking and it will wither. John 15:6

So what is the FRUIT?

Since Jesus is a preacher from house to house and door to door till his execution all his branches (Apostles) also remain preachers from house to house and door to door in turn all his fruits are also preachers from house to house and door to door. This is what the inhabitants of Antioch noticed before they began calling his disciples CHRISTIANS {Act 11:26} it's like seeing mango in the market of course you can't call it any other name than "MANGO" because it's only mango tree that can bear mango! Matthew 7:16-18

Now concerning the so called GROUPS you are talking about.
Are their members know globally for the work of preaching and teaching from house to house and door to door as Jesus commanded all his disciples? Matthew 28:19-20🙂

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MaxInDHouse:
This is where the FRUIT comes to play! Matthew 7:15-20

First of all if you think Jesus is teaching each individual then there is no reason why you should expect someone who also believe in Jesus and the Bible to ask you for anything after all everyone should ask Jesus waiting for him to teach them individually!

So let's go back to the GROUP setting.

The Apostles are the small GROUP Jesus handed over the teaching of his disciples to {Act 2:42} but how can we know if the GROUP is teaching heresy and not what Jesus taught?

Jesus answered: By their fruits!

What is the fruit expected of Christianity?

God planted a tree which is Jesus himself {John 15:1} so this tree started having branches {John 15:4-5} if any of the branches doesn't rely on the tree it can't bear fruit so it will be cut down spiritually speaking and it will wither. John 15:6

So what is the FRUIT?

Since Jesus is a preacher from house to house and door to door till his execution all his branches (Apostles) also remain preachers from house to house and door to door in turn all his fruits are also preachers from house to house and door to door. This is what the inhabitants of Antioch noticed before they began calling his disciples CHRISTIANS {Act 11:26} it's like seeing mango in the market of course you can't call it any other name than "MANGO" because it's only mango tree that can bear mango! Matthew 7:16-18

Now concerning the so called GROUPS you are talking about.
Are their members know globally for the work of preaching and teaching from house to house and door to door as Jesus commanded all his disciples? Matthew 28:19-20🙂

Your first paragraph is an intelligent point but it is your opinion not gospel teaching.
Jesus Christ appeared individually to Paul not to a community.
So what are the fruits of Christianity?
To follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
You made a good point , Jesus Christ called sent men to teach the gospel. Today almost every church I know calls and sends out people to preach so that can't be the fruit because it would mean that everyone is following Jesus Christ.
The fruits are the doctrines of Christ written in scripture.

So if your point is that any church that has people doing missionary work is the choosen group, you are talking about almost every church

tctrills:
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Your first paragraph is an intelligent point but it is your opinion not gospel teaching.
Jesus Christ appeared individually to Paul not to a community.

This is a LIE!
Jesus directed Paul to go and meet the disciples so they can welcome and teach him what to do by Jesus' ORGANIZED GROUP! Act 9:3-16
So Paul must rely on the Apostles for him to know what to preach and teach that's why he couldn't solve the problem that arose regarding doctrine but was sent along with Barnabas to the Apostles in Jerusalem! Act 15:2

tctrills:
So what are the fruits of Christianity?
To follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
You made a good point , Jesus Christ called sent men to teach the gospel. Today almost every church I know calls and sends out people to preach so that can't be the fruit because it would mean that everyone is following Jesus Christ.

Another lamba!
Mention the church you know that their members and leaders are preaching from house to house and door to door like Jesus and his Apostles did in the first century!

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MaxInDHouse:
This is a LIE!
Jesus directed Paul to go and meet the disciples so they can welcome and teach him what to do by Jesus' ORGANIZED GROUP! Act 9:3-16
So Paul must rely on the Apostles for him to know what to preach and teach that's why he couldn't solve the problem that arose regarding doctrine but was sent along with Barnabas to the Apostles in Jerusalem! Act 15:2



Another lamba!
Mention the church you know that their members and leaders are preaching from house to house and door to door like Jesus and his Apostles did in the first century!

Paul's first meeting with Christ was individual so you are wrong.
Now, every church has its own missionary method and system. Yours is not better. Some preach in the market, some go from door to door not only JW. Some preach in buses, Some preach online. The commandment was to go into the world and preach that's all that matters.
Today the Catholics have hundreds of millions of members that's the fruit of preaching. They seem to be doing a better job than you.

Lastly, in the bible, people are called and set apat as missionaries please read the book of Acts.
Jesus Christ specially called 12, and then 70. He never instructed that the entire church be called as missionaries so where did you get your doctrines from.

tctrills:
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Paul's first meeting with Christ was individual so you are wrong.

Paul was a honest hearted and sincere Jewish scholar trained by Gamaliel a Pharisee highly respected for his honesty so Jesus knew Paul wasn't doing all that with wicked intentions that's why Jesus called him directly but still Jesus directed Paul to go and meet his ORGANIZED GROUP! Act 9:3-16🙂

tctrills:
Now, every church has its own missionary method and system. Yours is not better. Some preach in the market, some go from door to door not only JW. Some preach in buses, Some preach online.

This is what Jesus meant by FRUIT.

If anyone decides to do something not the way the founder of Christianity did it in his own time and handed it over to his disciples such a person can't succeed in making real disciples like Jesus did.

So instead of arguing over how to get the work done we BOW to what we read in the Bible regarding the way Jesus established the work!

Can you tell me how many of your pastors are preaching in the buses or market today?
Of course they know it's absurd as they can't get real audience so they will send their followers to go shouting in buses and streets and when those ones bring anyone they start collecting money.

However you have ran away from such system of worship because you know it's business for those people yet you want to argue in support of them.

So can you mention your own church if truly you believe in what they are doing?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Paul was a honest hearted and sincere Jewish scholar trained by Gamaliel a Pharisee highly respected for his honesty so Jesus knew Paul wasn't doing all that with wicked intentions that's why Jesus called him directly but still Jesus directed Paul to go and meet his ORGANIZED GROUP! Act 9:3-16🙂


This is what Jesus meant by FRUIT.

If anyone decides to do something not the way the founder of Christianity did it in his own time and handed it over to his disciples such a person can't succeed in making real disciples like Jesus did.

So instead of arguing over how to get the work done we BOW to what we read in the Bible regarding the way Jesus established the work!🙂

Please don't change topic.
You have admitted that any church that is involved in missionary work is actually producing that fruit so let's continue with that.
I have been preached to by members of so many churches that I can't count.
So that can't be the fruit unless you claim that everyone is eating that fruit.

So please do you insist that any church with a missionary department is eating the fruit or are you going to make another U-turn your 4th of the night

tctrills:
Please don't change topic.
You have admitted that any church that is involved in missionary work is actually producing that fruit so let's continue.

The point is they must do things the way Jesus established it if not then i can't believe they are for Jesus!

If all missionaries are for Christ then the Muslims are also producing the fruit nah after all there are Muslim missionaries too.

So to make it real the group must follow the same pattern Jesus and his disciples did in the first century that's what the inhabitants of Antioch noticed! Act 11:26

MaxInDHouse:
The point is they must do things the way Jesus established it if not then i can't believe they are for Jesus!

If all missionaries are for Christ then the Muslims are also producing the fruit nah after all there are Muslim missionaries too.

So to make it real the group must follow the same pattern Jesus and his disciples did in the first century that's what the inhabitants of Antioch noticed! Act 11:26

So Jesus Christ and His church called and set apart men from among the church as missionaries
Just like Paul and Barnabas in the book of Acts so again, are all churches doing this eating the fruit?

tctrills:
So Jesus Christ and His church called and set apart men from among the church as missionaries
Just like Paul and Barnabas in the book of Acts so again, are all churches doing this eating the fruit?

Ọmọ it's obvious you are confused now try to go and sleep maybe when next you recover you can get back to me.

@ Matthew 7:15-20 Jesus was talking about PRODUCING the fruit of faith not eating fruits.

So go and take care of yourself it's not easy trying to argue blindly after seeing you have lost the debate!🤔

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it's obvious you are confused now try to go and sleep maybe when next you recover you can get back to me.

@ Matthew 7:15-20 Jesus was talking about PRODUCING the fruit of faith not eating fruits.

So go and take care of yourself it's not easy trying to argue blindly after seeing you have lost the debate!🤔

Ok, let's use your word producing fruits. Please can you point out the fruit because the one you mentioned is a scam.

tctrills:
so you believe anyone that told you Jesus Christ taught them but not me?
Listen to yourself,
so if you claim that Jesus taught you directly to go teaching others then i will take you for a liar.
But your white lords made the same claim and you swallowed it.

Let me continue to quote you

WHY?
Because that is what led to contradiction in the churches of Christendom as each individual wants to establish his own church claiming Jesus taught him directly

So even by your judgement, the actions of your white overlords led to contradiction on Christendom because they established a church claiming Jesus Christ taught them.

Now, I know you are going to make a mighty U-turn so let's have it.

If Jesus Christ can teach your white overlords, why do you think he can't teach me?

You don box that hypocrite for tight corner.

tctrills:
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Your first paragraph is an intelligent point but it is your opinion not gospel teaching.
Jesus Christ appeared individually to Paul not to a community.
So what are the fruits of Christianity?
To follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
You made a good point , Jesus Christ called sent men to teach the gospel. Today almost every church I know calls and sends out people to preach so that can't be the fruit because it would mean that everyone is following Jesus Christ.
The fruits are the doctrines of Christ written in scripture.

So if your point is that any church that has people doing missionary work is the choosen group, you are talking about almost every church

Well said.

The fruits of God's people are evident in their obedience to God's doctrine and not in walking about aimlessly like Nomads.

blueAgent:
Well said.

The fruits of God's people are evident in their obedience to God's doctrine and not in walking about aimlessly like Nomads.

I love this, MaxInDHouse needs to learn this

tctrills:
That was not your argument. You claimed only firstborns are begotten, but now I see that doctrine is bringing you shame.

You always love deceiving yourself making false claims.

Janosky:
You always love deceiving yourself making false claims.

They are crying as if JWs is their problem whereas it's their rebellious hearts that's hurting them.
This same tctrills openly confessed that he discovered JWs has a very good system of worship until he met us on NL that is what opened his eyes to our evil.
Now what evil deeds do JWs practice?
He said:
JWs excommunicate apostates! Romans 16:17; 2John 10
JWs don't practice interfaith! 2Corinthians 6:14 compare to Exodus 23:32
JWs believe only in their organization as members of the Christian faith! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10
All these makes him conclude that JWs are evildoers after seeing all the good results of our faith. Matthew 5:11-12
So since that time he is determined to argue against everything JWs teaches as if he was blind to it before.

Abeg who is deceiving himself if not the one who says good is bad and bad is good? Isaiah 5:20
So now that i know he has witnessed the good deeds of God's organization but chose to hate us for our faith there is no reason to continue engaging him the only thing i'm waiting for him to present is a better performing group than JWs in the absence of that abeg let them continue wailing!🙂

Janosky:
You always love deceiving yourself making false claims.

Hmm, you are a strange person oh. Did you dream about me?
Or have you gone to do more research on the topic?
Anyway, I am hear, if you have any new to say, let's hear it

MaxInDHouse:
They are crying as if JWs are the problem they had whereas it's their rebellious hearts that's hurting them.
This same tctrills openly confessed that he discovered JWs has a very good system of worship until he met us on NL that is what opened his eyes to our evil.
Now what evil deeds do JWs practice?
He said:
JWs excommunicate apostates! Romans 16:17; 2John 10
JWs don't practice interfaith! 2Corinthians 6:14 compare to Exodus 23:32
JWs believe only in their organization as members of the Christian faith! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10
All these makes him conclude that JWs are evildoers after seeing all the good results of our faith. Matthew 5:11-12
So since that time he is determined to argue against everything JWs teaches as if he was blind to it before.

Abeg who is deceiving himself if not the one who says good is bad and bad is good? Isaiah 5:20
So now that i know he has witnessed the good deeds of God's organization but chose to hate us for our faith there is no reason to continue engaging him the only thing i'm waiting for him to present is a better performing group than JWs in the absence of that abeg let them continue wailing!🙂

If you want to quote me, use the right words. I did not discover jw has a good system, rather, I thought they had a good system. There is a big difference between discovering and thinking.
But now, I know it's just rubbish.

You have had 2 days to explain the JW fruits and so far, your big answer was that the JW preach to others. If that's what you consider to be your fruit then you are a dried fig tree.
As if every other Christian organization doesn't preach the gospel to others.

You just exposed how empty your organization is.

tctrills:
You just exposed how empty your organization is.

OK Sir!

tctrills:
They believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten and somehow, Adam is the only begotten.
Even for a 5 years old kid, this is dumb. I wonder how I will explain this toy kids to if I was one of them.;

Oga, STOP Deceiving yourself and LYING.

Jesus is only begotten (ONLY BORN) son of God. John 3:16 evidence.

Jesus won't be only begotten son if he's not begeted (begeted meaning born/created ) by God.
Therefore,Jesus is the first creature created by God that is why Jesus is the only begotten Son.

Adam is son of God ,begotten (created) by God.
God begets Adam,Yahweh is the Father of Adam & all creatures.

Only begotten Son & begotten are two DISTINCT teachings in the holy Bible.

Adam is NOT only begotten son,your Bible did not say that.
Tctrills , stop merging the two distinct teachings to deceive yourself.

tctrills:
That was not your argument. You claimed only firstborns are begotten, but now I see that doctrine is bringing you shame.

Isaac is the only begotten son of Sarah & Abraham, Hebrew 11:1-19

Isaac is their firstborn , you go wail & continue WAILING
Luke 7:12,that young man is the only begotten son of his mother
He is her first born son, no capping.

tctrills:
MaxInDHouse: This is your confused boy again, teaching that Adam is a begotten son of God and at the same time, , Jesus Christ is only the begotten son of God.
At least we can both agree that the boy needs help.

Job 31;15
"Did not the One who made me in the womb also make them? Did not the same God form us both in the womb?"

Job confirmed that God begeted him in his mother's womb.

Tctrills deceiving himself, did God beget Adam?
Tctrills, Psalm 139:13-16, Psalm 22:9-10, did God beget you?

blueAgent:
Am happy you saw firstborn.

Which means he was Born or begotten and not created like other ppl.

No dey deceive yourself.
Screenshot evidence &2
From billmounce evidence:
Vocabulary form:
gennavw
Definition:
I beget, give birth to, produce

[quote author=tctrills [b]post=137550970]
Funny boy, at least Jesus Christ and His disciples did not spread falsehoods so that's the big difference.
Jesus Christ and His disciples did not teach that Adam was the only begotten son of God[/quote][/b]Continue deceiving yourself making false claims.

God beget Adam his son.
God begets spirit beings and human beings .
Jesus is his only begotten son,his Firstborn creature.
Adam is not Gods only begotten son.
Oga, stop your deliberate mix up to deceive yourself.