The hebrew and the greek word for angel is malach and angelos respectively. The meaning of malach or angelos is messenger or one who is sent. It can be used to describe humans and spirits.
Angelic spirit are created for one purpose and that is to serve God, The angel sent to deliver the message of John rejected John's worship and said he is a fellowservant with John and the apostles, with this, it can be seen that Angels are fellowservants with the prophets, apostles, and in deed all Christians.

Note the angel didnt call John fellow brethren which means having same nature but rather fellowservants.

However, what does the bible say about Jesus?

There are many verses of the bible that proves who Jesus really is, but I will use the book of phillipians.

Philippians 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

We can see here that Jesus made himself of no reputation, what reputation is that? the reputation of God. God is not servant to no one he is to be worshiped and served, he is far higher and anything created or can be created. He ie the Almighty, the sovereign ruler over all and answers to no man, this is the form that Jesus had and which he put off.
Jesus making himself of no reputation means he veiled that glory which he had with the father from eternity.

Note that whatever Jesus did, he did it of his own will and initiative which itself is a character of the Almighty who does things of his own will and initiative. Any position any man is or Angels occupy did not get it of their own will but from God.


The next line in phillipians 2 ;7 was that he took the form of a servant.
After putting away his reputation as the Almighty God he took on the form of a servant, again what is the meaning of angel?
A servant so it means Jesus had to take the position of an angel meaning he was not an angel but chose to take that position.

The next line of phillipians 2;7 said Jesus was made a man interesting! Jesus became less than God after he has taken off his reputation and taken up the nature of servant, at that point he was to answer to God as a servant would to a master, it was at this point he was made a man.

This explains why Jesus said the father is greater than he is. He took the position of a servant in heaven even before being sent to this earth.

Jehovah witness error is viewing Jesus as a servant of God only and concluding that Jesus must be an angel forgetting that Jesus willingly took up that position after he has veiled his original position as Almighty God.

Did you not see the part that said his putting down the God reputation was an intentional act?

That means what to you?

You guys must be having sleepless nights, crying and wailing over what another religion chooses to believe which has absolutely nothing to do with you.

To the Witnesses, Jesus occupies the following roles:
1. The firstborn Son of God. Colossians 1:15
2. King of God’s Kingdom. Luke 1:31-33
3. Judge. John 5:22
4. Mediator. Hebrews 9:15
5. Ransomer. 1Timothy 2:6
6. Head of the Christian congregation. Ephesians 1:22
7. High Priest in the manner of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 6:20
8. Prophet in the manner of Moses. Deuteronomy 18:15, Acts 3:22
9. Leader of God’s army of angels. Matthew 16:27, Revelation 19:11-15

But to the Witnesses, he is not and will never be the Almighty God Jehovah who sent him to accomplish an assignment on earth. John 6:38
He cannot be the same as the person who told him to sit at his right hand. Psalm 110:1
Jehovah is described as the “living God”.(Jeremiah 10:10) and Jesus “the Son of the living God”. Matthew 16:16
Jehovah is described as the “Most High”(Psalm 83:18) and Jesus the “Son of the Most High”. Luke 1:32

Basically, Witnesses will continue abide by the scriptural truth, we are satisfied with it.

livingchrist:
The hebrew and the greek word for angel is malach and angelos respectively. The meaning of malach or angelos is messenger or one who is sent. It can be used to describe humans and spirits.
Angelic spirit are created for one purpose and that is to serve God, The angel sent to deliver the message of John rejected John's worship and said he is [b]a fellowservant with John and the apostles, with this, it can be seen that Angels are fellowservants with the prophets, apostles, and in deed all Christians.
Note the angel didnt call John fellow brethren which means having same nature but rather fellowservants.
However, what does the bible say about Jesus?
There are many verses of the bible that proves who Jesus really is, but I will use the book of phillipians.
Philippians 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
We can see here that Jesus made himself of no reputation, what reputation is that? the reputation of God. God is not servant to no one he is to be worshiped and served, he is far higher and anything created or can be created. He ie the Almighty, the sovereign ruler over all and answers to no man, this is the form that Jesus had and which he put off.
Jesus making himself of no reputation means he veiled that glory which he had with the father from eternity.
Note that whatever Jesus did, he did it of his own will and initiative which itself is a character of the Almighty who does things of his own will and initiative. Any position any man is or Angels occupy did not get it of their own will but from God.
The next line in phillipians 2 ;7 was that he took the form of a servant.
After putting away his reputation as the Almighty God he took on the form of a servant, again what is the meaning of angel?
A servant so it means Jesus had to take the position of an angel meaning he was not an angel but chose to take that position.
The next line of phillipians 2;7 said Jesus was made a man interesting! Jesus became less than God after he has taken off his reputation and taken up the nature of servant, at that point he was to answer to God as a servant would to a master, it was at this point he was made a man.
This explains why Jesus said the father is greater than he is. He took the position of a servant in heaven even before being sent to this earth.
Jehovah witness error is viewing Jesus as a servant of God only and concluding that Jesus must be an angel forgetting that Jesus willingly took up that position after he has veiled his original position as Almighty God.

DappaD:


To the Witnesses, Jesus occupies the following roles:
1. The firstborn Son of God. Colossians 1:15
2. King of God’s Kingdom. Luke 1:31-33
3. Judge. John 5:22
4. Mediator. Hebrews 9:15
5. Ransomer. 1Timothy 2:6
6. Head of the Christian congregation. Ephesians 1:22
7. High Priest in the manner of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 6:20
8. Prophet in the manner of Moses. Deuteronomy 18:15, Acts 3:22
9. Leader of God’s army of angels. Matthew 16:27, Revelation 19:11-15

But to the Witnesses, he is not and will never be the Almighty God Jehovah who sent him to accomplish an assignment on earth.
John 6:38

He cannot be the same as the person who told him to sit at his right hand.
Psalm 110:1

Jehovah is described as the “living God”.(Jeremiah 10:10) and Jesus “the Son of the living God.”
Matthew 16:16

Jehovah is described as the “Most High”(Psalm 83:18) and Jesus the “Son of the Most High.”
Luke 1:32

Basically, Witnesses will continue abide by the scriptural truth, we are satisfied with it.

Apt! There's absolutely nothing to add!!

ATMC:
Did you not see the part that said his putting down the God reputation was an intentional act?

That means what to you?

if it wasnt intentional the bible wouldnt have said he made himself.
Beside since Christ wasnt a servant whatever he did is intentional.

DappaD:
You guys must be having sleepless nights, crying and wailing over what another religion chooses to believe which has absolutely nothing to do with you.

To the Witnesses, Jesus occupies the following roles:
1. The firstborn Son of God. Colossians 1:15
2. King of God’s Kingdom. Luke 1:31-33
3. Judge. John 5:22
4. Mediator. Hebrews 9:15
5. Ransomer. 1Timothy 2:6
6. Head of the Christian congregation. Ephesians 1:22
7. High Priest in the manner of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 6:20
8. Prophet in the manner of Moses. Deuteronomy 18:15, Acts 3:22
9. Leader of God’s army of angels. Matthew 16:27, Revelation 19:11-15

But to the Witnesses, he is not and will never be the Almighty God Jehovah who sent him to accomplish an assignment on earth. John 6:38
He cannot be the same as the person who told him to sit at his right hand. Psalm 110:1
Jehovah is described as the “living God”.(Jeremiah 10:10) and Jesus “the Son of the living God”. Matthew 16:16
Jehovah is described as the “Most High”(Psalm 83:18) and Jesus the “Son of the Most High”. Luke 1:32

Basically, Witnesses will continue abide by the scriptural truth, we are satisfied with it.

It is my duty to present the truth to those in false religion like Jehovah witnesses so they escape the trap of the devil.

livingchrist:
It is my duty to present the truth to those in false religion like Jehovah witnesses so they escape the trap of the devil.

Concocted teachings have no hold on us anyways, so better look for where to channel your energy to.

livingchrist:
The hebrew and the greek word for angel is malach and angelos respectively. The meaning of malach or angelos is messenger or one who is sent. It can be used to describe humans and spirits.
Angelic spirit are created for one purpose and that is to serve God, The angel sent to deliver the message of John rejected John's worship and said he is a fellowservant with John and the apostles, with this, it can be seen that Angels are fellowservants with the prophets, apostles, and in deed all Christians.

Note the angel didnt call John fellow brethren which means having same nature but rather fellowservants.

However, what does the bible say about Jesus?

There are many verses of the bible that proves who Jesus really is, but I will use the book of phillipians.

Philippians 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

We can see here that Jesus made himself of no reputation, what reputation is that? the reputation of God. God is not servant to no one he is to be worshiped and served, he is far higher and anything created or can be created. He ie the Almighty, the sovereign ruler over all and answers to no man, this is the form that Jesus had and which he put off.
Jesus making himself of no reputation means he veiled that glory which he had with the father from eternity.

Note that whatever Jesus did, he did it of his own will and initiative which itself is a character of the Almighty who does things of his own will and initiative. Any position any man is or Angels occupy did not get it of their own will but from God.


The next line in phillipians 2 ;7 was that he took the form of a servant.
After putting away his reputation as the Almighty God he took on the form of a servant, again what is the meaning of angel?
A servant so it means Jesus had to take the position of an angel meaning he was not an angel but chose to take that position.

The next line of phillipians 2;7 said Jesus was made a man interesting! Jesus became less than God after he has taken off his reputation and taken up the nature of servant, at that point he was to answer to God as a servant would to a master, it was at this point he was made a man.

This explains why Jesus said the father is greater than he is. He took the position of a servant in heaven even before being sent to this earth.

Jehovah witness error is viewing Jesus as a servant of God only and concluding that Jesus must be an angel forgetting that Jesus willingly took up that position after he has veiled his original position as Almighty God.

Concise

Note the word he hide himself

Up till today Jesus is still hiding himself from those who are not called

It easy for Jesus to reveal himself to those in JW cult but God don't work that way

You have to be among the chosen one of God before you can see the light

So if you like explain from now till kingdom come they can't see what you see

See people arguing who is a better idolator.....


I will be the umpire, so far the jehovahs witness are winning..

22jumpstreet:
See people arguing who is a better idolator.....


I will be the umpire, so far the jehovahs witness are winning..

who is winning on the earth is it not evil

Don't u notice it looks like evil is more than good on eartg

22jumpstreet:
See people arguing who is a better idolator.....


I will be the umpire, so far the jehovahs witness are winning..

who is winning on the earth is it not evil

Don't u notice it looks like evil is more than good on earth

Bishopkingsley:
who is winning on the earth is it not evil

Don't u notice it looks like evil is more than good on earth

You people are arguing who is a better worshipper of an idol.
I will be the umpire..

So far the Jehovah witnesses are winning..

tempem:

Apt! There's absolutely nothing to add!!

They're the ones making a fool of themselves!

Unlike JWs misinformed Churchgoers are:
Neither diligent nor studious.
Not doing God's work wholeheartedly.
Not ready to obey.
Divided in their doctrines.
Don't have LOVE among themselves.

So they're seeing only JWs very high as if on the top of the highest mountain! Matthew 5:13-16 compare to Isaiah 2:2

No wonder anytime they gather to discuss about their troubles the only topic that unite them is "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"!

Bishopkingsley:
who is winning on the earth is it not evil
Don't u notice it looks like evil is more than good on earth

Sorry you failed woefully with the bolded.

There are over 2,500,000,000 religionists claiming Christians on this planet and less than 9,000,000 are JWs.

So if the total number of JWs is subtracted from the total figure of people claiming Christians (alone) you still have about
2,491,000,000 people claiming Christians.

And if we are to subtract the total number of JWs from the world's population of 9,000,000,000 JWs are like 1-1000 persons on this planet!

So what are you saying?

The truth of the matter is that Jesus (archangel Michael) is actively working with this group so no matter how few they are on this planet they're the light of the world! Matthew 5:13-16

MaxInDHouse:


Sorry you failed woefully with the bolded.

There are over 2,500,000,000 religionists claiming Christians on this planet and less than 9,000,000 are JWs.

So if the total number of JWs is subtracted from the total figure of people claiming Christians (alone) you still have about
2,491,000,000 people claiming Christians.

And if we are to subtract the total number of JWs from the world's population of 9,000,000,000 JWs are like 1-1000 persons on this planet!

So what are you saying?

The truth of the matter is that Jesus (archangel Michael) is actively working with this group so no matter how few they are on this planet they're the light of the world! Matthew 5:13-16

2 Corinthians 4:4
4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds (jw) of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

Hebrews 2:8 ►
Context Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
and put everything under their feet.” In putting everything under them, God left nothing that is not subject to them. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to them.

New Living Translation
You gave them authority over all things.” Now when it says “all things,” it means nothing is left out. But we have not yet seen all things put under their authority


If this two scriptures don't show you that evil looks like it winning then you will forever be blind to Bible

But we have not yet seen all things put under their authority....


Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds (jehova witness ) of those who don’t believe.

You're like the first century Jews concluding that since Jesus didn't conquer the world power of their time (Rome) then he can't be the CHRIST. Because according to the Bible book of Isaiah 8:6-7 and Daniel 2:44 the Christ will conquer all the kingdoms of the world and rule forever!
So ask me the meaning of what out book (Bible) says or continue arguing with yourselves.
Meanwhile archangel Michael (Jesus Christ) is at work with his own people and everyone can SEE FAITH in ACTION!

Bishopkingsley:


2 Corinthians 4:4
4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds (jw) of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

Hebrews 2:8 ►
Context Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
and put everything under their feet.” In putting everything under them, God left nothing that is not subject to them. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to them.

New Living Translation
You gave them authority over all things.” Now when it says “all things,” it means nothing is left out. But we have not yet seen all things put under their authority


If this two scriptures don't show you that evil looks like it winning then you will forever be blind to Bible

But we have not yet seen all things put under their authority....


Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds (jehova witness ) of those who don’t believe.

MaxInDHouse:
You're like the first century Jews concluding that since Jesus didn't conquer the world power of their time (Rome) then he can't be the CHRIST. Because according to the Bible book of Isaiah 8:6-7 and Daniel 2:44 the Christ will conquer all the kingdoms of the world and rule forever!
So ask me the meaning of what out book (Bible) says or continue arguing with yourselves.
Meanwhile archangel Michael (Jesus Christ) is at work with his own people and everyone can SEE FAITH in ACTION!

Always going off the point each time... Lol the only thing at work in your group is the devil

Bishopkingsley:

Always going off the point each time... Lol the only thing at work in your group is the devil

I thought Jesus said "by their FRUITS" Matthew 7:16

Oya PRESENT the works of your Jesus nah!

I say my own Jesus is Archangel Michael and i'm presenting the works of my faith, where's yours nah? James 2:18-26

Abi when did Satan became greater than God in fine works?

DappaD:


Concocted teachings have no hold on us anyways, so better look for where to channel your energy to.

the teachings of op is purely true, you have nothing against one's teaching but just to appear still faithful Jehovah witness you decided to slander. who are the 'us' because there are many Jehovah witnesses looking for the truth, of cause they will not voice it out for fear.

I decide to channel my energe for God's kingdom.

MaxInDHouse:


They're the ones making a fool of themselves!

Unlike JWs misinformed Churchgoers are:
Neither diligent nor studious.
Not doing God's work wholeheartedly.
Not ready to obey.
Divided in their doctrines.
Don't have LOVE among themselves.

So they're seeing only JWs very high as if on the top of the highest mountain! Matthew 5:13-16 compare to Isaiah 2:2

No wonder anytime they gather to discuss about their troubles the only topic that unite them is "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"!

when the pharisee could not withstand Jesus teachings they resulted to slander, this is the same method Jehovah witness organisation, when their lies has being demolished by the superiority of the word of God they result to personal attacks, and saying they have United this and that, every cult has unity and proselytize even the pharisee do same what matters is the truth and only the truth.
If your organisation has being found wanting in God's truth everything are crap. You can accept and worship the devil as your god even though he has being exposed to you.

The bible said the devil transform himself to an angel of light, so his organisation can also form fake unity and love to decieve gullible people like you. One thing the devil lack is truth and only truth can set you free not fake unity and all that conformational brainwashing and indoctrination.

livingchrist:
the teachings of op is purely true, you have nothing against one's teaching but just to appear still faithful Jehovah witness you decided to slander. who are the 'us' because there are many Jehovah witnesses looking for the truth, of cause they will not voice it out for fear.

I decide to channel my energe for God's kingdom.

Keep lying to your own soul!

So you're saying they will not open up even on FACELESS social media like Nairaland, shey?

Why are you people so stupid?

All of you are hiding your Churches because you know nobody can see your faces, then you now wish JWs are like you but they can't hide behind some faceless social media to air their personal opinion, shey?

Your brains needs a reset!

UNITY is just one out of the EVIDENCES JWs are presenting to the world!

Oya PRESENT just one EVIDENCE of your God that's in line with scriptural prophecies about Christians!

livingchrist:
when the pharisee could not withstand Jesus teachings they resulted to slander, this is the same method Jehovah witness organisation, when their lies has being demolished by the superiority of the word of God they result to personal attacks, and saying they have United this and that, every cult has unity and proselytize even the pharisee do same what matters is the truth and only the truth.
If your organisation has being found wanting in God's truth everything are crap. You accept and worship the devil as your god even though he has being exposed to you.

The bible said the devil transform himself to an angel of light, so his organisation can also form fake unity and love to decieve gullible people like you. One thing the devil lack is truth and only truth can set you free not fake unity and all that conformational brainwashing and indoctrination.

The only reason for misinformed Churchgoers like the OP to unite is when it's time to talk about JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, apart from that it's arguments, insults, abuses and curses all in the name of their Jesus.

I wonder what's happening to your Jesus right now because shame will never allow any right thinking person to come out boldly to claim confused religionists with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are all following him! Luke 11:23

MaxInDHouse:


I thought Jesus said "by their FRUITS" Matthew 7:16

Oya PRESENT the works of your Jesus nah!

I say my own Jesus is Archangel Michael and i'm presenting the works of my faith, where's yours nah? James 2:18-26

Abi when did Satan became greater than God in fine works?

Any body can fake the fruit of the spirit... ******'' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' ***********

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

******'' '' '' '' '' '*****************' '' '' *
This is the real sign which no JW has..............

Mark 16

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.


**********'****************
The fruit of the spirit is not something you see outwardly I told you many times

Each church has it when they meet together people can form Fake joy and fake love.
The fruit is a hidden character which works in a true believer inwardly forever.


But Jesus states the signs which everyone will see in his chosen ones

This sign not one that Jehovah's Witnesses possess not one

Bishopkingsley:

Any body can fake the fruit of the spirit

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Jesus said it and you've brought a great curse upon yourself out of envy and jealously against Jehovah's Witnesses!

According to Jesus the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit is the one and only sign that Satan and his group can never FAKE! Matthew 7:16-18

Jesus said they can FAKE the GIFTS to deceive people but the FRUIT can only be seen in the midst of worshipers where God's Holy Spirit is actively working! Galatians 5:22-23

So for lying against the fruit that only God's Holy Spirit can produce you've brought a big curse upon your own soul! Matthew 12:31-32

MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Jesus said it and you've brought a great curse upon yourself out of envy and jealously against Jehovah's Witnesses!

According to Jesus the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit is the one and only sign that Satan and his group can never FAKE! Matthew 7:16-18

Jesus said they can FAKE the GIFTS to deceive people but the FRUIT can only be seen in the midst of worshipers where God's Holy Spirit is actively working! Galatians 5:22-23

So for lying against the fruit that only God's Holy Spirit can produce you've brought a big curse upon your own soul! Matthew 12:31-32

You brought curse on your self since you don't know Bible

There is God love
And worldly love

There is God joy and worldly joy

You curse your self since you don't know this

You run away from Jesus sign (Mark 16:17) because you don't have it and no JW jehova witness member has it

1 Corinthians 13:4-8

Love suffers long
and is kind;
love does not envy;
love does not parade itself,
is not puffed up;
does not behave rudely,
does not seek its own,
is not provoked,
thinks no evil;
does not rejoice in iniquity,
but rejoices in the truth;
bears all things,
believes all things,
hopes all things,
endures all things.

Love never fails….


This is the definition of God's love

Which JW don't have
Even you don't have this type of love in your character
Every one knows it here

I'm not going to follow you in derailing the thread.
The topic is about Jesus (archangel Michael) so that's what the OP want people to discuss!

Bishopkingsley:


You brought curse on your self since you don't know Bible

There is God love
And worldly love

There is God joy and worldly joy

You curse your self since you don't know this

You run away from Jesus sign (Mark 16:17) because you don't have it and no JW jehova witness member has it

Faking Fruit (of the Spirit)

The big question, then, is can you truly bear fruit if you aren’t abiding? I know many nonbelievers who love, who are kind, gentle, patient, and joyful. They love their families, they help their friends, and they serve the world, sometimes better than believers, but only because it feels good. Their fruit grows because of the pay-off they receive. A woman might love a man because of how he makes her feel, how he looks, or how much money he makes. People might give because of how important it makes them feel or how much it relieves their guilt.

Whatever does not come from the Spirit is done out of pleasure seeking.

People do things for lots of reasons, but whatever does not come from the Spirit, but from the flesh, is done out of pleasure seeking.

In other words, when the flesh is our source of fruit, the motivation isn’t God’s glory but our own. So, even those who seem so selfless and good can be, at the root of it all, just serving themselves.

And while it can be beneficial and kind, it isn’t evidence of the life of the Spirit or its fruit, because its ultimate goal is glorifying self and not God

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not going to follow you in derailing the thread.
The topic is about Jesus (archangel Michael) so that's what the OP want people to discuss!

lol

Mark 16:17

run away from the signs Jesus said because you can never have it

JW can never have the sign of God

Topic of discussion:

Jesus is Archangel Michael

JWs unanimous response with fine works ~ YES!

Bishopkingsley:
lol
Mark 16:17
run away from the signs Jesus said because you can never have it
JW can never have the sign of God