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QuinQ:
Meaning what?
EXCTLY like a human child, AI is "born" a clean slate with a certain type of "brain" then exposed to info. ALL it's actions and decisions are a result those, EXACTLY like a human

Are you hearing yourself? A.i comes ready made to be used yet by you yet, you gave it the human status of tabular rasa? Not to talk of the fact that it was created to serve you?

Dtruthspeaker:
Are you hearing yourself? A.i comes ready made to be used yet by you yet, you gave it the human status of tabular rasa? Not to talk of the fact that it was created to serve you?

AI is a self-learning machine that is "born" with a certain type of "brain" then exposed to experiences. Tell me how a human is different

QuinQ:
It really doesn't take much thought to realize freewill is an illusion. You don't control where your thoughts come from and your actions are based on your thoughts - unless u say they are based on nothing!

So, your act of typing here and me responding is an illusion?

But when you are stolen from, you won't say a fake stealing took place.

It is apparent that you live in denile 8 delu Shawn as your statement in your profile says.

Dtruthspeaker:
So, your act of typing here and me responding is an illusion?

But when you are stolen from, you won't say a fake stealing took place.

It is apparent that you live in denile 8 delu Shawn as your statement in your profile says.

AI can type even faster and come up with better answers. But you instinctively know it's freewill is an illusion, yet you can't see that you have exactly same type of "freewill"!

budaatum:
Yeah, that is dumb.

Its after all not true that the laws of "thou shalt not steal or murder" stop me murdering and killing.

And I might not even be punished if I am smart enough to not be caught.

Cc: MaxInDHouse

QuinQ:
AI is a self-learning machine that is "born" with a certain type of "brain" then exposed to experiences. Tell me how a human is different

Even when since 1980 you have seen street lights come on when darkness falls and doors open on approval you say this?
Come on dont embarrass your parents

QuinQ:
AI can type even faster and come up with better answers. But you instinctively know it's freewill is an illusion, yet you can't see that you have exactly same type of "freewill"!

Are out vehicles not already faster than us?

And you do not real eyes it is because those answers have been fed into it?

Haven't failures already shown you that freewill means that you exercise the right and power of not learning a thing? Of which even now you are a good example of such a person.

Your profile statement already proves how big your personal delu, Shawn is operating at

Dtruthspeaker:
Are out vehicles not already faster than us?

And you do not real eyes it is because those answers have been fed into it?

Haven't failures already shown you that freewill means that you exercise the right and power of not learning a thing? Of which even now you are a good example of such a person.

Your profile statement already proves how big your personal delu, Shawn is operating at

Dtruthspeaker:
Even when since 1980 you have seen street lights come on when darkness falls and doors open on approval you say this?
Come on dont embarrass your parents

My friend AI is not street light. You keep beating about the bush. AI is a self-learning machine EXACTLY as a human.
But of course all this is from human perspective and reasoning. There must be elements we're not aware of otherwise there'd be no way anyone can say it's Adam's fault he ate the apple!

QuinQ:
My friend AI is not street light. You keep beating about the bush. AI is a self-learning machine EXACTLY as a human.
But of course all this is from human perspective and reasoning. There must be elements we're not aware of otherwise there'd be no way anyone can say it's Adam's fault he ate the apple!

It is a street light and hotel door not learning anything only doing exactly as the key board on your phone. I can see how all its makers will be laughing at how gullybee you have been.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is a street light and hotel door not learning anything only doing exactly as the key board on your phone. I can see how all its makers will be laughing at how gullybee you have been.

He has a point. Can you have conversation with a streetlight exactly as a human?

DiarisGodoo:
He has a point. Can you have conversation with a streetlight exactly as a human?

No mind am. He doesn't know what is AI. Probably an older guy. AI that will converse with you better than a human

QuinQ:
No mind am. He doesn't know what is AI. Probably an older guy. AI that will converse with you better than a human

All the smartest people say freewill is illusion including Einstein (see below)

QuinQ:
See my comment above. Your actions are based on something. You yourself said it didn't make sense to you. The reason it didn't make sense to you is your type of brain and type of info and experiences you've been exposed to.
Exactly like AI

This is pure lies!
God gave all of us working brains but while many choose to be evil playing along few are thinking critically knowing without being told that something is wrong with the system that's what brought us out of the wicked system into the truth of God.
I had no experience but was born into a religious system that supposed to shape my thinking yet it couldn't because i was constantly disturbed as i keep asking questions upon questions and there was no one who could give a satisfying answer.
So freewill made me what i am today not experience if i was born among JWs i would have said what i believe is based on experience but i wasn't!🙂

DiarisGodoo:
He has a point. Can you have conversation with a streetlight exactly as a human?

How is it different from Google translator or the old answering machine?

Have people not been complaining since that their conversations are been recorded?

You think those records are in Ojota dustbin site?

Now, we see one of the results of their years of recording human interaction.

So it is because they have not yet made the street light to reply you exactly as my old Casio answering machine.

Dtruthspeaker:
How is it different from Google translator or the old answering machine?

Have people not been complaining since that their conversations are been recorded?

You think those records are in Ojota dustbin site?

Now, we see one of the results of their years of recording human interaction.

So it is because they have not yet made the street light to reply you exactly as my old Casio answering machine.

MaxInDHouse:
This is pure lies!
God gave all of us working brains but while many choose to be evil playing along few are thinking critically knowing without being told that something is wrong with the system that's what brought us out of the wicked system into the truth of God.
I had no experience but was born into a religious system that supposed to shape my thinking yet it couldn't because i was constantly disturbed as i keep asking questions upon questions and there was no one who could give a satisfying answer.
So freewill made me what i am today not experience if i was born among JWs i would have said what i believe is based on experience but i wasn't!🙂

I don't know if it is that u folks don't reason at all because to me it doesn't take much reasoning to see that EVERY conscious thing you do is due to your thinking which originate in processes from deep within your brain that you're not even aware of, that you neither control nor can override - because there is nothing you can override it with outside the brain!

And as the guy above wrote, all the smartest people agree including Einstein (see screenshot above).
You wrote "God gave us a working brain" but you don't control how that brain works nor can you override it. "Your choice" originate in processes from deep within your brain that you don't control, nor can override, nor even aware of!

AI is a self-learning machine like man and if you imbed it with the idea it has freewill, it can't imagine that it doesn't!

But of course, as I said b4, all this is from human perspective and reasoning. There must be elements we're not aware of otherwise there'd be no way anyone can say it's Adam's fault he ate the apple!

Dtruthspeaker:
How is it different from Google translator or the old answering machine?

Have people not been complaining since that their conversations are been recorded?

You think those records are in Ojota dustbin site?

Now, we see one of the results of their years of recording human interaction.

So it is because they have not yet made the street light to reply you exactly as my old Casio answering machine.

You must be a quite old person. You have no idea what AI does.
AI is just like a human, except much faster and smarter. Unless you say a human is "no different from Google translator or the old answering machine"!

QuinQ:
I don't know if it is that u folks don't reason at all because to me it doesn't take much reasoning to see that EVERY conscious thing you do is due to your thinking which originate in processes from deep within your brain that you're not even aware of, that you neither control nor can override - because there is nothing you can override it with outside the brain!

And as the guy above wrote, all the smartest people agree including Einstein (see screenshot above).
You wrote "God gave us a working brain" but you don't control how that brain works nor can you override it. "Your choice" originate in processes from deep within your brain that you don't control nor even aware of!

AI is a self-learning machine like man and if you imbed it with the idea it has freewill, it can't imagine that it doesn't!

But of course, as I said b4, all this is from human perspective and reasoning. There must be elements we're not aware of otherwise there'd be no way anyone can say it's Adam's fault he ate the apple!

Well-said

DiarisGodoo:
You must be a quite old person. You have no idea what AI does.
AI is just like a human, except much faster and smarter. Unless you say a human is "no different from Google translator or the old answering machine"!

Depends on if you call middle ages old. Notwithstanding, you are the ones even deceiving your own selfs for A. I is still based on the same laws of the answering machine and landline telephone as in this case A.i still relies on submarine cables and internet to work, just like the old landline telephones and desktop computers.

So, you see it is not different from the answering machine and you guys are just going loon Krahzy over it, to the point that you are even elevating it to your level. This is very disgraceful

Dtruthspeaker:
Depends on if you call middle ages old. Notwithstanding, you are the ones even deceiving your own selfs for A. I is still based on the same laws of the answering machine and landline telephone as in this case A.i still relies on submarine cables and internet to work, just like the old landline telephones and desktop computers.

So, you see it is not different from the answering machine and you guys are just going loon Krahzy over it, to the point that you are even elevating it to your level. This is very disgraceful

Doesn't a human being rely on things like books to learn? How info gets to AI is irrelevant. What's important is that it learns just like a human, and once it iearns something it's inside it. Example, a chess-playing AI doesn't need any cables to easily beat the best human

DiarisGodoo:
Doesn't a human being rely on things like books to learn? How info gets to AI is irrelevant. What's important is that it learns just like a human, and once it iearns something it's inside it. Example, a chess-playing AI doesn't need any cables to easily beat the best human

You see, yourself! What book did a baby read to learn how to identify mummy and daddy and aunty? Or languages or signs?

A. I is an empty laptop without info, so how info gets to it, is proof that it is still a landline answering machine and not learning anything only changing gears like automatic transmission vehicles.

And stop disgracing yourself and your GenEven my uncle's NEC desktop computer in 1989 or so plays chess and scrabble, solitaire not to talk of our hand held video games like Contra, Batman, Spiderman, Swamp thing (I'm sure you don't know this one since they have not made gen z movie of it)

So, boy please stop disgracing your father's school fees

QuinQ:
If you THINK, you'd realize freewill is a well-camouflged illusion to begin with.
Saying a human has freewill is EXACTLY like saying AI has freewill

Couldn't be more apt. Free will as a matter of fact doesn't exist as has been demonstrated scientifically with Libet's experiment and the Split Brain experiment. Even the bible doesn't support it as well, reading through you'd quickly find out it isn't even biblical - not like the bible's accurate on most things but still. Then just thinking logically, that one just buries it.

If your will operates within constraints you didn’t choose, it’s not free, it’s just an illusion at best. Did we choose to be born and participate in life in the first place? Did we choose our genetic makeup, the structure of our brain, the way your biology reacts to our environment, the century or location we were born into, our temperament/personality, our trauma, our instincts, or our cognitive limits? Obviously no to all those questions - not even a single yes - ergo no free will.

Imagine claiming a prisoner is free because during his set alloted "free time" he can choose to go to the gym or library. Or a chess piece thinking it’s free because it can move in the directions the game allows, but it forgets it can’t move outside the board or in any direction not permitted. Wonder why people still spout this buried argument.

budaatum:
You say "modern technology", so why not use a more credible product of science instead of some ridiculous and absurd patent? Is it that you don't know that one can patent just about anything?

Anyway, to your question. Can Devices Influence Humans? (Edited because the last part is missing).

My answer is yes.

Take the mobile phone. In the past, a reply to a letter sent to England will arrive back no sooner than 3 months, but now you can just dial a number and talk to the person in real time.

This has enabled, amongst other things, requests to be responded to instantly, such that delays are much minimised, which might change the results if such instant communication had not been possible.

As a side , there were objections to the introduction of the loom for fear of job displacement and wage cuts for skilled hand weavers. It led to protests like the Luddite movement.

Some even objected to the introduction of electricity.

Actually, this kind of technology is not science fiction — there are real patents and research showing that “brain‑computer interface” (BCI) devices can detect brain activity and convert it into commands.

For example:

Patent US9211078B2 describes a system for obtaining brain signals (via EEG), converting those signals into functional commands, and using them to control external devices — like moving a robot or operating a computer.


Another patent, US20150338917A1, outlines a method whereby a headset reads brainwave activity and transmits the data wirelessly (e.g. via Bluetooth) to a smartphone or computer, potentially allowing device control via thought alone.


There is also WO2014102722A1 — a system that claims to recognize mental states (brain‑waves) of a user and act upon them (for example unlocking a smartphone on particular thought patterns).


Beyond patents, there is active academic and commercial work in this area: non‑invasive EEG‑based BCI systems have been developed that allow users to control cursors, robotic limbs or computer applications solely via brain activity (i.e. without using muscles).


So — this isn’t a joke. These inventions were designed by scientists, neurologists and engineers. They are backed by documented scientific research and legally registered patents. https://lov111vol.com/Home/BCI

see the documents please

Dtruthspeaker:
You see, yourself! What book did a baby read to learn how to identify mummy and daddy and aunty? Or languages or signs?

A. I is an empty laptop without info, so how info gets to it, is proof that it is still a landline answering machine and not learning anything only changing gears like automatic transmission vehicles.

And stop disgracing yourself and your GenEven my uncle's NEC desktop computer in 1989 or so plays chess and scrabble, solitaire not to talk of our hand held video games like Contra, Batman, Spiderman, Swamp thing (I'm sure you don't know this one since they have not made gen z movie of it)

So, boy please stop disgracing your father's school fees

Didn't the info get to baby as to who is daddy through some means? Didn't the baby learn it as it learns other things - just like AI?
Sorry, I can't continue. All due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. Go do some research on freewill

DiarisGodoo:
Didn't the info get to baby as to who is daddy through some means? Didn't the baby learn it as it learns other things - just like AI?
Sorry, I can't continue. All due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. Go do some research on freewill

Humans and babies learn. computers do not. They are all calculators, answering machines and robots created to do specific things.

Robots do not have freewill it is humans and even animals who do.

So there is no way you can argue that a calculator has freewill. That is just damn ludicrous

Dtruthspeaker:
Humans and babies learn. computers do not. They are all calculators, answering machines and robots created to do specific things.

Robots do not have freewill it is humans and even animals who do.

So there is no way you can argue that a calculator has freewill. That is just damn ludicrous

Are you ok at all? Haven't you been following at all?
Point is, neither humans nor AI has freewill!
And it doesn't take much thought to realize that!

DiarisGodoo:
Are you ok at all? Haven't you been following at all?
Point is, neither humans nor AI has freewill!
And it doesn't take much thought to realize that!

Wrong.

Humans have freewill except they are in slavery like A.I.

A I is a computer and a robot and does not and cannot have freewill

Everyone knows that

Dtruthspeaker:
Wrong.

Humans have freewill except they are in slavery like A.I.

A I is a computer and a robot and does not and cannot have freewill

Everyone knows that

Ok, say something that humans can use their "freewill" to do that AI can't use it's to do.
You can't.
Humans are "programmed" by their experiences just like AI and they can't override their own brain nor are they even aware of the deep background workings of the brain - just like AI

Lucifyre:
Couldn't be more apt. Free will as a matter of fact doesn't exist as has been demonstrated scientifically with Libet's experiment and the Split Brain experiment. Even the bible doesn't support it as well, reading through you'd quickly find out it isn't even biblical - not like the bible's accurate on most things but still. Then just thinking logically, that one just buries it.

If your will operates within constraints you didn’t choose, it’s not free, it’s just an illusion at best. Did we choose to be born and participate in life in the first place? Did we choose our genetic makeup, the structure of our brain, the way your biology reacts to our environment, the century or location we were born into, our temperament/personality, our trauma, our instincts, or our cognitive limits? Obviously no to all those questions - not even a single yes - ergo no free will.

Imagine claiming a prisoner is free because during his set alloted "free time" he can choose to go to the gym or library. Or a chess piece thinking it’s free because it can move in the directions the game allows, but it forgets it can’t move outside the board or in any direction not permitted. Wonder why people still spout this buried argument.

Very apt indeed.
Cc: Dtruthspeaker, MaxInDHouse

Though, as I've said before, this is from our very limited human perspective. There are very likely things we're not aware of as humans - otherwise how can it possibly be Adam's fault that he ate the apple?!

DiarisGodoo:
Ok, say something that humans can use their "freewill" to do that AI can't use it's to do.
You can't.
Humans are "programmed" by their experiences just like AI and they can't override their own brain nor are they even aware of the deep background workings of the brain - just like AI

That word "programmed" is one of the differences that has blown away your case.

programme
/ˈprəʊɡram/
verb
past tense: programmed; past participle: programmed
1. provide (a computer or other machine) with coded instructions for the automatic performance of a task.

No codes are provided to a baby.

2) freewill means freedom- a right and power to serve or not serve a person. A. I is exactly the phone in your hands and the car you drive. It is built to serve you.

And you buy A.i exactly like your TV, shoes and clothes.

So, you see it is disgraceful of you to be saying that a thing, it is even software programme like Microsoft word and Excel,that is put in devices and maachines like an engine or alternator, is what you are raising to the level of humanity, it is not even standing on its own that you we can say see "A.i standing there. Or see A.i taking a stroll"

It is hiding inside a machine or tool exactly how viruses and bacteria and car batteries hide inside a body. This is very low man.

If your will operates within constraints you didn’t choose, it’s not free, it’s just an illusion at best. Did we choose to be born and participate in life in the first place? Did we choose our genetic makeup, the structure of our brain, the way your biology reacts to our environment, the century or location we were born into, our temperament/personality, our trauma, our instincts, or our cognitive limits? Obviously no to all those questions - not even a single yes - ergo no free will.

Imagine claiming a prisoner is free because during his set alloted "free time" he can choose to go to the gym or library. Or a chess piece thinking it’s free because it can move in the directions the game allows, but it forgets it can’t move outside the board or in any direction not permitted. Wonder why people still spout this buried argument.
Very apt indeed.
Cc: Dtruthspeaker, MaxInDHouse

QuinQ:
Very apt indeed.
Cc: Dtruthspeaker, MaxInDHouse

Though, as I've said before, this is from our very limited human perspective. There are very likely things we're not aware of as humans - otherwise how can it possibly be Adam's fault that he ate the apple?!

This is thrash

Free already means
free
/friː/
adjective 1. able to act or be done as one wishes;

Will already means
Will
/wɪl/
Verb 1. An expression of a personal desire, wish or choice,

So freewill is the combination of those words which mean "an ability to act in expression of one's personal desire, wish or choice"

No where is it stated that there must be no constraints or limitation for freewill to be freewill.

As long as you were free to will and act or refrain from acting, freewill has been fully and freely exercised and implemented.

And that is why when you have agreed to pay the price of fuel, you cannot say and you do not say that you did not have freewill. It is as simple and clear as that and so there is no debate on this issue.