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Lezzlie:
Islam is anti democracy and cannot exists side by side with a democracy.

That's why the North has Sharia and penal code which are anti democratic.

That's why the middle east is what it is a bed of endless wars and subjugation.

And that's why northern Nigeria is a flashing point threatening to consume the entire nation

The effect is clear for all to see.
See Burna Boy.
immediately he joined them , his wahala started

the religion of peace

The evil book is the reason for the problem of the world today.


It couldn't have been the voice of a merciful deity.

FaAbData:
Time, age and style of worship may differ but I think there's only one supreme being that all religious are trying to connect to

it will please you to know that the Bible is fit for every time and age. Infact you read the Bible today and seems like they wrote it in this time and age..

There is nothing holy about that book.

NOETHNICITY:
So your entire premise of disproving Islam is on grounds of the name of his father. Beautiful logic

You didn't read his comment


Muhammad father was an idol worshipper
And his name is Abdullah.

Muhammad his son came and said his God name is Allah...


What does thar tells you...think Abdul

Ever8090:
it will please you to know that the Bible is fit for every time and age. Infact you read the Bible today and seems like they wrote it in this time and age..

You are right.
Muslims have same believe about their own book as well, same with many other religions

aribisala0:
This is not true

The idea of a BEING is loaded with assumption

Is there a cause for the existence we see around us ?

Probably

What is the nature of that CAUSE.?

We really do not know
Is it a being ?

We have no way of knowing

My question is

Is there anything higher than or more complex than being?


What people have done is to fabricate stories to answer questions to which the correct answer is


I don't know

The concept of a being comes from psychological projection and assumption

At least now with AI we can see that you don't need to be a being to have intelligence


My idea is this

Whatever is responsible for the existence around us is outside the capacity of our brains and practically has no business with us in our daily life

That is the reality that we all know
No beings anywhere connect to human beings in a way that is incontrovertible

Let me give you some numbers

Since human beings appeared on earth less than 200 billion have walked on earth

In the observable universe around us there are trillions of planets

Of those planets those which are the size of this earth are. over. one hundred billion trillion so each person that has ever lived could have 1 trillion planets each the size of this earth

That is just in the observable universe


But religious books want to pretend that there is just heaven and this earth.

The human existence in the universe is less than negligible

Whether 'being' or God or Allah or Yaweh or'nature' are just sementics, mere numenclature. Me and you here can even creat a name for it if we like.

There's a phenomenon responsible for our source of existence. You might be correct- this phenomenon might not be directly involved in our day to day activities. But as a religious person I believe he does- but this is not about me...

For every action there's a cause, the universe you just described didn't just come to be- did it?..

That the Bible didn't explicitly explain the origin of things or the universe is not an argument, you shouldn't use that as a premise to dismis the existence of a phenomenon responsible for everything. That part of Bible was written by humans with limited knowledge, just enough for their age and time

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usmanpogo:
The father of Prophet Muhammad's name is Abdullah, which translates to servant of Allah, meaning there was Allah in Mecca before the birth of the prophet or Islam.

Abdullah died as a kuffar ( an idol worshiper) yet we have people named after him. There's no such thing as Muslim names, these names are names of Arab idol-worshippers.

There were people bearing Muhammad before the prophet and they were not Muslims, it's time for Africans to emancipate themselves from mental slavery.

I'm not a Muslim but it seems you're a bit ignorant.

Muhammad didn't bring Islam, Islam predated him, according to them Adam, the first man was a Muslim. Muhammad only brought the final revelation- Quaran. And he's the major prophet

There were Muslims before Muhammad, oga!

BlackfireX:
You didn't read his comment


Muhammad father was an idol worshipper
And his name is Abdullah.

Muhammad his son came and said his God name is Allah...


What does thar tells you...think Abdul

I read his comment, and it’s a simple matter long trashed by average(doesn’t require top scholars) scholars. If you understand the history of the Arabs and their language you would understand this. There is no point explaining to you guys as your minds are already programmed to hate Islam.

FaAbData:
Whether 'being' or God or Allah or Yaweh or'nature' are just sementics, mere numenclature. Me and you here can even creat a name for it if we like.

There's a phenomenon responsible for our source of existence. You might be correct- this phenomenon might not be directly involved in our day to day activities. But as a religious person I believe he does- but this is not about me...

For every action there's a cause, the universe you just described didn't just come to be- did it?..

That the Bible didn't explicitly explain the origin of things or the universe is not an argument, you shouldn't use that as a premise to dismis the existence of a phenomenon responsible for everything. That part of Bible was written by humans with limited knowledge, just enough for their age and time

It is not just semantics. It underlines the truth that we are making assumptions based on the way the human brain works
However the human brain is very limited
This aggressive bullying approach is what characterises religion
There may or may not be a phenomenon there may be an infinite number of phenomena

I. don't know
You don't know

There is no need converting assumption to facts

We don't know any of these things

Even the statement
For every action there is a cause is just a slogan
It has no practical meaning
If a phenomenon is responsible for A what is responsible for phenomenon and so on ad infinitum
All the AI combined cannot process the question how much less a human brain
It is beyond our brain power

Let us live with honest admission

WE DON'T KNOW

the next thing is to shutup and stop saying what we don't know

Gboom:
It goes beyond that. The qur'anic expose about Islam is creating a lot of controversies for these present generation of Islams and they are beginning to have a re-rethink

Yet Islam continues to be the fastest growing religion in world, and you have more Muslims who are devoted to their religion far more than Christians who practice their faith. Most Christians just believe they are Christians, they don’t practice, hundreds of millions of Christians don’t even go to church—especially in Europe and America. They are increasingly inclining towards atheism

OriOko88:
Boda Akeem. Are u a Christian or Muslim or ifa

well a nonbeliever

aribisala0:
It is not just semantics. It underlines the truth that we are making assumptions based on the way the human brain works
However the human brain is very limited
This aggressive bullying approach is what characterises religion
There may or may not be a phenomenon there may be an infinite number of phenomena

I. don't know
You don't know

There is no need converting assumption to facts

We don't know any of these things

Even the statement
For every action there is a cause is just a slogan
It has no practical meaning
If a phenomenon is responsible for A what is responsible for phenomenon and so on ad infinitum
All the AI combined cannot process the question how much less a human brain
It is beyond our brain power

Let us live with honest admission

WE DON'T KNOW

the next thing is to shutup and stop saying what we don't know

This might be beyond our five senses but I do honestly and sincerely know there's a phenomenon, coincidentally, I felt/saw his move today. I'm serious bro.

I'm interested in you assumption that it might even be infinite. I don't know how many but I know it's not zero. We might not be eqiupt with enough sense to discribe it, but c'on! It's not just NOTHING, look around you, there's SOMETHING.

aribisala0:
You don't know anything

It is only when you admit that that there is even a possibility of knowing

It's the philosophy of that statement that brought me to the conclusion of what i have been sharing with you these past minutes... When u agree u don't know, you begin to know. It's not today I agreed I did know anything, it's before today- thus I now know a little and that's what I'm sharing

The me, hitherto would have been answering you from a very different perspective

usmanpogo:
The father of Prophet Muhammad's name is Abdullah, which translates to servant of Allah, meaning there was Allah in Mecca before the birth of the prophet or Islam.

Abdullah died as a kuffar ( an idol worshiper) yet we have people named after him. There's no such thing as Muslim names, these names are names of Arab idol-worshippers.

There were people bearing Muhammad before the prophet and they were not Muslims, it's time for Africans to emancipate themselves from mental slavery.

At the bolded. I doff my hat for you. Ten times on a Friday.

FaAbData:
I'm not a Muslim but it seems you're a bit ignorant.

Muhammad didn't bring Islam, Islam predated him, according to them Adam, the first man was a Muslim. Muhammad only brought the final revelation- Quaran. And he's the major prophet

There were Muslims before Muhammad, oga!

Where do I start with you!
The concept of Adam and Eve started in the Torah, it would suffice to say Adam worshipped Yahweh and so did Moses. The prophet tried rewriting history by telling a different story in the Quran. Like I said earlier both the bible and the Quran are just story books.

What God did Abraham worshipped ?

Yahweh is not the same as Allah, that's where you're getting it wrong.

The Quran definitely copied stories from the Torah and the bible.

I'll start with the five pillars of Islam

The Shahada
The Sabiens are the first set of people to start saying the phrase La ila ilaha la

Performing salat
The Sabiens prayed five times a day, the prophet didn't go to heaven to get it, it's just lamba.

Ramadan
Fasting and abstaining from sex until dark for 30 days was a practice that predates Islam and it was common among the people who worshiped the moon around current day Turkey

Hajj
This is another pagan practice that still exist in Islam

Everything is said, has proof, you can easily Google search it.

It's time for Africans to wake up, we are being misled.

Scorpio99:
At the bolded. I doff my hat for you. Ten times on a Friday.

Barrister
I nor know say you self dey follow this topic 😂

See as them don cage our people mind.

Fun facts
The Quran doesn't say anything about praying five times a day. This can only be found in the Hadith of Sahih Bulkari
And He was born 200 years after the prophet died.

Second
The Quran never said anything about killing people that left Islam, you'll only find this in the hadiths.

Third
The prophet used to braid his hair but your alfas will call you a vagabond if you try that.

Fourth
The messenger of Allah died of food poisoning, he was poisoned by a Jewish girl.

Fifth
The prophet at one time contemplated suicide but your alfas won't tell you this.

The list goes on but I'll stop here

Gboom:
It goes beyond that. The qur'anic expose about Islam is creating a lot of controversies for these present generation of Islams and they are beginning to have a re-rethink

What do you mean by Quranic expose?
Go all over the internet and see westerners getting marveled and swept off their feet’s after reading the Quran. The Quran is even ahead of modern science

That means quran is not complete without hadith.
You can be reading quran and not pray 5times
So whats its importance of quran without hadith.
Without Torah n bible there will be no quran.
Funny enof you can never see name of adam wife and his children in quran.you have to get it from bible to fully understand adam life

usmanpogo:
Fun facts
The Quran doesn't say anything about praying five times a day. This can only be found in the Hadith of Sahih Bulkari
And He was born 200 years after the prophet died.

Second
The Quran never said anything about killing people that left Islam, you'll only find this in the hadiths.

Third
The prophet used to braid his hair but your alfas will call you a vagabond if you try that.

Fourth
The messenger of Allah died of food poisoning, he was poisoned by a Jewish girl.

Fifth
The prophet at one time contemplated suicide but your alfas won't tell you this.

The list goes on but I'll stop here

NOETHNICITY:
I read his comment, and it’s a simple matter long trashed by average(doesn’t require top scholars) scholars. If you understand the history of the Arabs and their language you would understand this. There is no point explaining to you guys as your minds are already programmed to hate Islam.

My brother no need getting angry

It was a simple question
Which you still ended up not replying.
You said it has been answered, what was the answer since anyone can answer it?


What is Muhammad father's name?

Is Allah a known god before Muhammad?
Or He was a new God not heard of ?
We're the meccans idol worshippers?

Was Muhammed father an idol worshipper?


Can you simplify this in your answer, one might learn and be corrected

FaAbData:
I'm not a Muslim but it seems you're a bit ignorant.

Muhammad didn't bring Islam, Islam predated him, according to them Adam, the first man was a Muslim. Muhammad only brought the final revelation- Quaran. And he's the major prophet

There were Muslims before Muhammad, oga!

Proof from the Quran that Adam was a Muslim

That he prayed 5 times or did anything from Islamic shariah.


Please don't make claims I mean big claims without evidence to back it up.

Gone are the days Muslim make claims without evidence

usmanpogo:
Barrister
I nor know say you self dey follow this topic 😂

See as them don cage our people mind.

Actually, I wasn't following the topic. I was following you. I get notified on every post you make.

Scorpio99:
Actually, I wasn't following the topic. I was following you. I get notified on every post you make.

Like our people used to say :
Ti awo ba ki fun ni, a ma ki fun awo pada
I followed you back 😁

usmanpogo:
Like our people used to say :
Ti awo ba ki fun ni, a ma ki fun awo pada
I followed you back 😁

Thanks very much

FaAbData:
This might be beyond our five senses but I do honestly and sincerely know there's a phenomenon, coincidentally, I felt/saw his move today. I'm serious bro.

I'm interested in you assumption that it might even be infinite. I don't know how many but I know it's not zero. We might not be eqiupt with enough sense to discribe it, but c'on! It's not just NOTHING, look around you, there's SOMETHING.

I will like you to know that this concept of a phenomenon or phenomena is something that has always occured. It's existence or non existence has been proven to be limited by knowledge. In short, it is what we are yet to understand or know that we regard as a phenomenon.

And secondly, I also agree with you to a certain extent. There is something that defies explanation that has always manifested. It usually shows a deliberate and conscious attempt to do or achieve something, not just a random arrival at something. For instance, the position of the planets, everything that exists, the universe itself looks like a deliberate design by a deliberate designer that was conscious and deliberate about what it or they were doing. They don't look like a random design to me.

All in all, I will sum it up and say we don't know and most likely will never know. It is this attempt at knowing that has made human beings invent God or gods because the human brain seems programmed by default to come to the conclusion that there is always a cause.

aribisala0:
It is not just semantics. It underlines the truth that we are making assumptions based on the way the human brain works
However the human brain is very limited
This aggressive bullying approach is what characterises religion
There may or may not be a phenomenon there may be an infinite number of phenomena

I. don't know
You don't know

There is no need converting assumption to facts

We don't know any of these things

Even the statement
For every action there is a cause is just a slogan
It has no practical meaning
If a phenomenon is responsible for A what is responsible for phenomenon and so on ad infinitum
All the AI combined cannot process the question how much less a human brain
It is beyond our brain power

Let us live with honest admission

WE DON'T KNOW

the next thing is to shutup and stop saying what we don't know

The human brain seems programmed by default to believe there is always a cause for everything. However, this concept ends when it reaches the first cause which is usually regarded as God. If everything really needs cause, then the first cause itself definitely needs one. Why do we stop when it gets to God? The answer is simple: We do it in order to avoid an infinite regress. In short, the idea of cause should be infinite and will go on and on beyond anything we can fathom.

One thing I have noticed about humans is that it is what we are yet to understand that we ascribe the concept of spirituality or phenomenon to. The same first cause argument as propounded by Reverend father Thomas Aquinas has been debunked by the advent of quantum physics which has shown that virtual particles can arise spontaneously without any cause. Therefore, the first cause (God) might really not apply to the origin of the universe.

Scorpio99:
I will like you to know that this concept of a phenomenon or phenomena is something that has always occured. It's existence or non existence has been proven to be limited by knowledge. In short, it is what we are yet to understand or know that we regard as a phenomenon.

And secondly, I also agree with you to a certain extent. There is something that defies explanation that has always manifested. It usually shows a deliberate and conscious attempt to do or achieve something, not just a random arrival at something. For instance, the position of the planets, everything that exists, the universe itself looks like a deliberate design by a deliberate designer that was conscious and deliberate about what it or they were doing. They don't look like a random design to me.

All in all, I will sum it up and say we don't know and most likely will never know. It is this attempt at knowing that has made human beings invent God or gods because the human brain seems programmed by default to come to the conclusion that there is always a cause.

I can't agree less

Many throughout human history has claimed this being or phenomenon has being revealed to them- this is self evidence though.

BlackfireX:
Proof from the Quran that Adam was a Muslim

That he prayed 5 times or did anything from Islamic shariah.


Please don't make claims I mean big claims without evidence to back it up.

Gone are the days Muslim make claims without evidence

When Muslims call Adam, Moses (Musa) they add 'peace be upon him' that phrase is reserved for prophets alone. Adam wasn't just a Muslim, he was a prophet

See is Qur’an 42:13:
“He has ordained for you the same religion which He enjoined upon Noah, and that which We revealed to Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: that you should uphold the religion and not be divided in it.”

All these listed names excited before.

usmanpogo:
Where do I start with you!
The concept of Adam and Eve started in the Torah, it would suffice to say Adam worshipped Yahweh and so did Moses. The prophet tried rewriting history by telling a different story in the Quran. Like I said earlier both the bible and the Quran are just story books.

What God did Abraham worshipped ?

Yahweh is not the same as Allah, that's where you're getting it wrong.

The Quran definitely copied stories from the Torah and the bible.

I'll start with the five pillars of Islam

The Shahada
The Sabiens are the first set of people to start saying the phrase La ila ilaha la

Performing salat
The Sabiens prayed five times a day, the prophet didn't go to heaven to get it, it's just lamba.

Ramadan
Fasting and abstaining from sex until dark for 30 days was a practice that predates Islam and it was common among the people who worshiped the moon around current day Turkey

Hajj
This is another pagan practice that still exist in Islam

Everything is said, has proof, you can easily Google search it.

It's time for Africans to wake up, we are being misled.

Chairman calm down, weren't probing the authorship of the books else I can proof it to you that those stories- of Adam and Even, from any book, are myth.

But let's go by their beliefs and acceptance. They believe Adam wasn't just a Muslim but a prophet. So was Noah, Moses etc.

See Qur’an 42:13
“He has ordained for you the same religion which He enjoined upon Noah, and that which We revealed to Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: that you should uphold the religion and not be divided in it.”

Muhammad was the major prophet and brought the final revelation- the pillar in the quoran.

According to their holy scripture (I just show u), their beliefs and conviction there were Muslims before Muhammad