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Kyn4life:
I THINK YOU NEED TO BE EDUCATED ON THIS, TRY TO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU MISINFORMED OTHERS.

YOU CAN AS WELL READ THIS COMMENT BELOW WITH UNDERSTANDING:

People say this things and make it look like someone was threatened or were caged.
The issue of blood transfusion or any other Bible related instructions are issues of conscience.
As far as I know in JW, nobody will threaten you with disfellowship with something that you also have to decide on. After all, everyone answers to God directly.
If she, out of her respect to God says she won't accept blood as explicitly warned against in the Bible because she's believes the Bible, that should be respected. This is not about religion. This is about someone demonstrating faith in her convictions.
That aside, medical technology has evolved so much that top doctors now warn against blood transfusion because of the obvious side effects that comes with it.
When people drag JWs over a member's decision, they make it look like those people were compelled to make those decisions. Nobody gets compelled to do anything. It's solely an individual thing.

Namaster:
Religion is a DISEASE!

Imagine REJECTING a recommended lifesaving medical procedure because it's against the tenets of a religion devised by people when the peak of medical knowledge was amputation and leeching.

Pure MADNESS!

You are sick with cancer and you're rejecting the treatments recommended by Medical Professionals while saying "whatever happens is god's will."

Yet same people will tell you that NOTHING happens without God's approval. So the medical innovation that led to blood transfusion is inherently God's will too.

But because it's not being manifested through Pulpit BANDITS, you are discounting it.

Religion is a KILLER!

What this lady is doing is NOT different from a suicide bomber who blow himself up with the promise of 72 virgins—both of them will die in VAIN.

The worst part of all this that the Religious Leaders of this people would be on the first flight to Europe if they do much as cough funny.

Meanwhile, someone is here REJECTING treatment for cancer in the name of religion.

2mch:
These pastors and churches that advise against medical treatment need to be closed down and the perpetrators arrested. Lagos needs to do something urgently about this issue.

tommy589:
When Hiv was still undiscovered,have you giving it a thought that people got infected through blood transfusion and died of Aids unknowingly .

I am not religious but what I know is the every situation comes with good and bad outcome,or no outcome

bitbybit123:
You obviously did not understand the issue you commented about. Jehovah's witnesses do not reject medical treatment, in fact they are people who believes that medical treatments, and style of living as required by God can prevent lots of health problems BUT they do not take blood based on God's commandment and research have also shown that Blood transfusion is not the best form of treatment as it comes with side effects, there are alternatives that can be taken that are more effective but because many doctors are lazy and inexperienced they do not want to explore the alternatives so they prefer quick solution which will not allow them to use their brains.
Read more about Blood transfusion, its side effects and alternatives.

sammiewrite:
"...As far as I know in JW, nobody will threaten you with disfellowship with something that you also have to decide on..." "Nobody gets compelled to do anything."

The above quoted parts of your comment, where you had to introduce boldface lie and deciet, is very telling. Like, let's not even talk about the entire Nigeria. Let's talk about a single state, maybe the state you're resident in. I mean, what is the population of JWs in this one state out of a possible 36 states, and how many of these people do you have direct control over their actions for you to use the word "nobody"? Not once, but twice?

CorrectionFLuid:
US wey my JW street neighbor don go omugwo and ended up having to do emergency surgery abi na which one? Na you dey talk wetin you no know.

A judge was brought into the hospital who overruled her pastor who was in Nigeria misbehaving. They operated on her and she's still alive today. They put some kind of valve in her heart, according to her.

I also have a nurse friend in US who told me a similar story, but of a patient who got shot. The mother was crying but her faith made her indecisive. A judge handled the matter. So na you dey talk wetin you no know.

thesicilian:
Yeah, I was there. They brought in a supreme court justice self.

Kyn4life:
NOT AT ALL, YOU ARE WRONG, EVEN IF SHE DIES WHICH IS PRICE OF EVERY HUMAN HERE ON EARTH INCLUDING YOU AND 1 MUST PAY, JEHOVAH WILL REMEMBER HER - THE GOOD DECISION SHE MADE NOT TO DISOBEY HIS CLEAR COMMAND AND BRING HER BACK TO LIFE WITH A PERFECT BODY - JOHN 5:28-29

CorrectionFLuid:
Comot jare you no get talk.. you think every judgement involves wigs and courtrooms. Na you dey watch too many low budget Naija skits. At least you learnt something today.

Saybal:
People should respect her decision ,she is an adult and knows the implication of her decision, people take blood and still die

AkpaMgbor:
What is the implication? No we cannot stop talking about the madness that is religion. You say she’s an adult, how about kids who are made to go through the same thing by their parents or wards and end up dying, was it the kid’s choice?

damilton:
All of you Jehovah’s witnesses are just deceiving yourself. Blood transfusion was never slated in the bible but introduced by Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (governing organisation of your religion). And I want to believe its how they understand those scripture you all quoted that made them to bring out those human doctrine. In all the scriptures you quoted, if you read the pre and post text, you will realize that the bible is talking about not eating animals blood but to be pour on the surface of the earth. I won't blame you all because people don't read bible again but just dogmatically follows what their religious leaders says. People perish for lack of knowledge, and how do you lack knowledge? by not reading to know facts.

Bahamas95:
Some years back my mum was admitted at a hospital a young lady opposite her room refused blood transfusion because she's a JW......She later died before my mum was discharged.


Those people are terrible.

thesicilian:
"Imported to her" as if Nigeria is located in one village deep in the jungle. EPO is located everywhere in Nigeria, and it's not the Messiah you think it is. The way it works is to help the body form it's own red blood cells, instead of just receiving those red blood cells in the form of blood transfusion. Do you know how many weeks it takes for blood cells to be formed? It's like telling someone who needs a place to sleep for one night to build his own house instead of just getting a hotel room.

AlphaTaikun:
The main thrust of my post is to share some of the non-blood transfusion methods that are available.

If EPO is readily available in that country (Nigeria) then that's OK. She can use that as an alternative since it's one of several methods recommended by her Church based off of the AWAKE magazine I read back in the 1990s. EPO is just one out of several forms of non-blood transfusions that doctors have recommended as alternatives.

Second, the JW folks have a right of choice and have a very strong point in the sense that improperly screened blood especially in developing countries and underdeveloped countries have led to the spread of HIV, hepatitis variants, and more. Period.

grandstar:
We used to accept and give blood transfusions in the past, but by careful study of the scriptures, we changed. It is an issue of faith above all else.

We Witnesses are very law abiding, During Covid, our members were urged, not coerced as it a personal choice, to get vaccinated. All those working full time for the organisation (about 22,000 worldwide) had to get vaccinated or leave. Unlike most religious organizations, we refused to start in person meeting at either our Kingdom Halls or Assembly Halls. We even stopped house to house witnesseing. Many non-Witnesses took notice, and it got televised. Why? Because we wanted to protect out members and those of the public. We are very health conscious.

This can be contrasted with many "Born Again" Christians and Pentecostals, who refused to get vaccinated, some calling it the "Mark of the Beast" Many died, including then president of Tanzania.

thesicilian:
You're right. To be fair on them no one who knows all the disadvantages of blood transfusion will readily jump at the idea. And in this particular patient's case, there's no evidence to suggest that she was in a life and death situation so I'm wondering why the brouhaha

AlphaTaikun:
@grandstar

That's a highly impressive post from you. I didn't realize that you are a JW adherent. Because of this new low-budget anti-spam bot, I had to simultaneously switch from my older NL account to this one. Though not a JW, I once read a copy of AWAKE back in the 1990s where an article was published about the use of "non-blood transfusion alternatives" such as EPO and more. JW folks aren't ignorant people and it's totally IRRESPONSIBLE for anybody to start casting online aspersions on you folks because you refused to take blood transfusions especially NOW that fortunately alternatives exist to prevent the spread of hepatitis variants, HIV, Ebola, and other zoonotic diseases.

Incidentally, after posting my thoughts on the use of EPO on this same NL thread, I created a new NL thread on a US-based girl who got treated for cancer using a modern alternative method. The NL spam bot deleted it yesterday BUT just as I logged in to NL less than 1 hour ago, I saw that @domi.nique had moved the thread to the NL front page.

There's indeed a need for you JW folks (who I respect for publishing interesting topics and scientific breakthroughs in AWAKE magazine right from the 1990s when I read the first ever copy) to let these uninformed people out there to know that YOU guys have alternatives to prevent these people from insulting you guys based on their own limited knowledge. I still have older copies of AWAKE in my home libraries despite NOT being a JW or Christian. I respect you guys in JW more than some other Xtian sects or denominations who are NOT scientifically oriented tbh.

Cheers.

2mch:
These pastors and churches that advise against medical treatment need to be closed down and the perpetrators arrested. Lagos needs to do something urgently about this issue.

Chilipepper:
Popular personal shopper and market plug on X, Aunty Esther, has sparked a fresh wave of reactions after it was revealed that she declined a blood transfusion recommended by doctors as part of her cancer treatment.

Aunty Esther shared earlier that her test results were out and the cancer was found in her breast and armpit. She thanked everyone who donated towards her treatment and assured the public that updates would keep coming.

But shortly after, one of the fundraiser coordinators, Sir Dickson, announced that he and another volunteer doctor were stepping away from handling her case. According to him, doctors advised that she undergo a blood transfusion to stabilise her levels before chemotherapy, but she refused on religious grounds as a Jehovah’s Witness.

He added that her church members reportedly warned she would be disfellowshipped if she accepted blood, while some family members allegedly insisted that “whatever happens is God’s will.” He said that while her belief is respected, they cannot continue leading a fundraiser where the patient is rejecting the ideal treatment that could save her life.

Prettychild:
Jehovah witness are not Christians but a cult group

Janosky:

Your opinion remains your opinion.

It is not true.

Janosky:

Your opinion remains your opinion.

It is not true.

Prettychild:
Just browse list of cult groups in the world on google

That claim is not true

Why would "independent minded critical thinker" be influenced by the claim of another individual?

Emusan:
Are you a Christian?

promami:
People say this things and make it look like someone was threatened or were caged.
The issue of blood transfusion or any other Bible related instructions are issues of conscience.
As far as I know in JW, nobody will threaten you with disfellowship with something that you also have to decide on. After all, everyone answers to God directly.
If she, out of her respect to God says she won't accept blood as explicitly warned against in the Bible because she's believes the Bible, that should be respected. This is not about religion. This is about someone demonstrating faith in her convictions.
That aside, medical technology has evolved so much that top doctors now warn against blood transfusion because of the obvious side effects that comes with it.
When people drag JWs over a member's decision, they make it look like those people were compelled to make those decisions. Nobody gets compelled to do anything. It's solely an individual thing.

Taal17:
Because they are compelled, you might need to find out how militant these districts can be, they will disfellowship you as someone put it.
For members whom their social circle is JW that's a no deal.

Either ways Cancer is a big monster to tackle even with the best medical advice.

Maybe months later you can rejoin

PS, for those who desire not to have blood transfusion they might want to spend there time improving their blood levels as part of their daily routine.

Chemo is hard on the body