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paxonel:
you can't exclude unity between the person of Jesus Christ and the almighty God.
Or like the Jews, do you want to pick up stones to stone Jesus for saying this?

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

You see, that's why I'm saying that you Jehovah witnesses are not Christians.
You are another religion in disguise

Does I and the Father are one mean that Jesus and the Father are the same person?
Below is John 10:36

King James Bible
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Did Jesus claim that they accused him of blasphemy because he claimed that he was the Almighty God or because he claimed that he was the son of the Almighty God?

how will i possibly know?
I'm not a spirit.
I'm just a human who follows what the bible says

If the bible says The father is greater the son and both of them are God. That is what i believe.

But clearly, Jehovah witnesses says the son is not God because The Father is greater.
That son that you rejected to be God and you refuse to worship him has disqualified you from being part of the people that worship the father.

Because no man cometh to the Father except through him.

Lol....are you claiming that there is no difference between a God and an Almighty God? If you believe that the Father is greater than the son,explain How an Almighty God can be greater than another Almighty God.

Below is Matthew 18:26.
King James Bible

The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

Who did Jesus claim is being worshipped in the above verse?

paxonel:
You see, that's why I'm saying that you Jehovah witnesses are not Christians.

This is hilarious!
You don't even know what Christianity is but it's well because you are entitled to your own personal opinion after all you and your fellow worshipers are still dragging whether there is Hellfire or not and to you that's better than welcoming what is different that's yielding positive results! Matthew 7:16-18🙂

Truthseeker10:
Does I and the Father are one mean that Jesus and the Father are the same person?
Below is John 10:36

King James Bible
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Did Jesus claim that they accused him of blasphemy because he claimed that he was the Almighty God or because he claimed that he was the son of the Almighty God?


Lol....are you claiming that there is no difference between a God and an Almighty God? If you believe that the Father is greater than the son,explain How an Almighty God can be greater than another Almighty God.

Below is Matthew 18:26.
King James Bible

The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

Who did Jesus claim is being worshipped in the above verse?

You people are funny o!

OK, let's even assume that the Father is different from the son. How is that relevant to everlasting life through Christ?

paxonel:
You people are funny o!
OK, let's even assume that the Father is different from the son. How is that relevant to everlasting life through Christ?

Assumption or Agreement?🤔

MaxInDHouse:
Assumption or Agreement?🤔

Agreement.

Oya answer the question?

paxonel:
Agreement.
Oya answer the question?

It's simple there is nothing like assuming Jesus clearly stated that God chose him for the assignment it's like saying God brought Israelites out of Egypt through Moses whom God Almighty made like a God before Pharaoh {Exodus 7:1} it doesn't mean Moses is no more God's servant nah!🤔

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus clearly stated that God chose him for the assignment

What exactly is the assignment?

paxonel:
What exactly is the assignment?

Read what Jesus said about himself how God chose him and the assignment!🙂
Luke 4:18 compare to Isaiah 61:1

MaxInDHouse:
Read what Jesus said about himself how God chose him and the assignment!🙂
Luke 4:18 compare to Isaiah 61:1

Ok, the assignment is to preach

Next question :
How is this fact that Jesus is not the Almighty God relevant to the preaching assignment?

Is it that the ultimate preaching is to let people know that Jesus is not the almighty God?

What are we to do with this ultimate information that Jesus is not the almighty God?

paxonel:
How is this fact that Jesus is not the Almighty God relevant to the preaching assignment?

Good question!
We are supposed to be God's children but our connection to God has been cut off through the sin we inherited from Adam {Romans 3:23} that is why God sent Jesus to serve as a role model for us {1Peter 2:21} and by practicing what Jesus taught us we can please the Almighty God who is the father and God of all creation:

"Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

So according to Jesus we are his brothers not his worshipers whereas all of us (including Jesus) are worshipers of the same God!

MaxInDHouse:
Good question!
We are supposed to be God's children but our connection to God has been cut off through the sin we inherited from Adam {Romans 3:23} that is why God sent Jesus to serve as a role model for us {1Peter 2:21} and by practicing what Jesus taught us we can please the Almighty God who is the father and God of all creation:

"Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

So according to Jesus we are his brothers not his worshipers whereas all of us (including Jesus) are worshipers of the same God!

Do you realize that Muslims and other non Christians have this same opinion about Jesus Christ, that Jesus is a brother in worship to God, not God himself ?

paxonel:
You people are funny o!

OK, let's even assume that the Father is different from the son. How is that relevant to everlasting life through Christ?

🤣🤣🤣oga don dey run from main issue.....where did I claim that you can't get everlasting life through Christ?

Kindly answer the question below.

Below is Matthew 18:26.
King James Bible

The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

Who did Jesus claim is being worshipped in the above verse?

paxonel:
Do you realize that Muslims and other non Christians have this same opinion about Jesus Christ, that Jesus is a brother in worship to God, not God himself ?

NO they don't!
If they do nobody will lift up weapons in the name of settling issues just as Jesus taught and lived by his teachings. Matthew 26:52
So for wars to be ongoing in the world and those fighting are claiming Muslims and Christians shows that they don't see Jesus as a role model! 2Corinthians 4:4


The worst part of it are those claiming Christians yet they only worship Jesus but failed to honor his utterances by obeying him! Matthew 15:8-9

MaxInDHouse:
NO they don't!
If they do nobody will lift up weapons in the name of settling issues just as Jesus taught and lived by his teachings. Matthew 26:52
So for wars to be ongoing in the world and those fighting are claiming Muslims and Christians shows that they don't see Jesus as a role model! 2Corinthians 4:4

Don't digress to something else, who is talking about wars here?

As far as the world is concern there are peaceful Muslims and peaceful Non Christians just like Jehovah witnesses are peaceful, is that not so?
And these Muslims and Non Christians also respect and honor the Christian Jesus, but they will never accept that Jesus Christ is God. That alone defines their position, that they are not Christians.

The worst part of it are those claiming Christians yet they only worship Jesus but failed to honor his utterances by obeying him! Matthew 15:8-9

There was nothing like Christianity at the time Jesus made that statement in Matthew 15:8-9,
Stop deceiving yourself.
When will you people start making research and be accurate in your reasoning?

Ofcourse, these are many of the errors attributed to Jw, even through Christians today commit the same error too

The bottom-line of these whole thing is that, Jehovah witnesses are not Christians

They fall into the category of Muslims, African traditionalists, Hinduists, Buddhists, Atheists, etc

MaxInDHouse:
...
If they do nobody will lift up weapons in the name of settling issues just as Jesus ..

Next question :
Do Jehovah witnesses believe in resurrection or everlasting life?

What is resurrection?

Because, all your interest is preaching.
You are not interested in resurrection

paxonel:
Don't digress to something else, who is talking about wars here?

As far as the world is concern there are peaceful Muslims and peaceful Non Christians just like Jehovah witnesses are peaceful, is that not so?
And these Muslims and Non Christians also respect and honor the Christian Jesus, but they will never accept that Jesus Christ is God. That alone defines their position, that they are not Christians.

There was nothing like Christianity at the time Jesus made that statement in Matthew 15:8-9,
Stop deceiving yourself.
When will you people start making research and be accurate in your reasoning?

Ofcourse, these are many of the errors attributed to Jw, even through Christians today commit the same error too

The bottom-line of these whole thing is that, Jehovah witnesses are not Christians

They fall into the category of Muslims, African traditionalists, Hinduists, Buddhists, Atheists, etc

Lol....are you claiming that there is no difference between a God and an Almighty God? If you believe that the Father is greater than the son,explain How an Almighty God can be greater than another Almighty God.

Below is Matthew 18:26.
King James Bible

The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

Who did Jesus claim is being worshipped in the above verse?

paxonel:
Don't digress to something else, who is talking about wars here?

Here is number one evidence that none of you people except Jehovah's Witnesses organization are believers in Christ Jesus!
According to God's word the Christ will be called "Prince Of Peace" {Isaiah 9:6} because through his teachings faithful people throughout the world will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} that's why Jesus said this global family of peace loving worshipers will serve as witnesses to the fact that the Christ has come and done the needful in uniting faithful people throughout the world! Act 1:8

So we must talk about WARS which the devil is promoting to make faithless people kill one another! Revelations 6:3-4 compare to John 8:44🙂

paxonel:
Next question :
Do Jehovah witnesses believe in resurrection or everlasting life?
What is resurrection?
Because, all your interest is preaching.
You are not interested in resurrection

PREACHING WHAT?🙂
Ọmọ if you hate the truth nobody can save you only Jehovah's Witnesses truly believe in RESURRECTION all others are claiming they will go to heaven which means they won't be raised to life here on earth in fact all of them believe that at death they either go to heaven or hell which you are still disputing with them now.
So in what way do they believe in the resurrection of the dead like Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching and teaching in all their neighborhood? Act 24:15

Below is the screenshot of lesson two of the Bible based publication we are studying with interested friends and see RESURRECTION clearly stated in our book!

MaxInDHouse:
PREACHING WHAT?🙂
Ọmọ if you hate the truth nobody can save you only Jehovah's Witnesses truly believe in RESURRECTION all others are claiming they will go to heaven which means they won't be raised to life here on earth in fact all of them believe that at death they either go to heaven or hell which you are still disputing with them now.
So in what way do they believe in the resurrection of the dead like Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching and teaching in all their neighborhood? Act 24:15

Below is the screenshot of lesson two of the Bible based publication we are studying with interested friends and see RESURRECTION clearly stated in our book!

Ok,
Jehovah witnesses believes in resurrection. I think this the only thing that makes you people appear to be Christians, but meanwhile you people are not.

According to you, the fellow human brother in worship called Jesus Christ who is not God like me and you, can resurrect the dead, while me and you cannot.


Story for the gods

paxonel:
Ok,
Jehovah witnesses believes in resurrection. I think this the only thing that makes you people appear to be Christians, but meanwhile you people are not. According to you, the fellow human brother in worship called Jesus Christ who is not God like me and you, can resurrect the dead, while me and you cannot. Story for the gods.

OK you're just trolling.
Sorry to have engaged you, i thought you are serious on the matter.

MaxInDHouse:
PREACHING WHAT?🙂
Ọmọ if you hate the truth nobody can save you only Jehovah's Witnesses truly believe in RESURRECTION all others are claiming they will go to heaven which means they won't be raised to life here on earth in fact all of them believe that at death they either go to heaven or hell which you are still disputing with them now.
So in what way do they believe in the resurrection of the dead like Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching and teaching in all their neighborhood? Act 24:15

Below is the screenshot of lesson two of the Bible based publication we are studying with interested friends and see RESURRECTION clearly stated in our book!

You don't believe you will go to heaven. You won't even smell earth. Hell and Lake of fire is the destination of everyone who rejects Jesus as Saviour and Lord. Repent before it is too late.

Ken4Christ:
You don't believe you will go to heaven. You won't even smell earth. Hell and Lake of fire is the destination of everyone who rejects Jesus as Saviour and Lord. Repent before it is too late.

Where did God promise humans a heavenly life?

MaxInDHouse:
Where did God promise humans a heavenly life?

Even if I give you, the spirit of unbelief in you will still reject it.

Just to give a benefit of doubt, below are scripture evidence that promised us heavenm

1. John 14:1-3
Jesus tells His followers, I go to prepare a place for you, and I will come again and receive you to Myself.

Jesus promises that believers have a prepared place with Him. He speaks of His Father’s house, which points to a heavenly dwelling. This is one of the clearest promises of heaven for those who trust in Him.

2. Philippians 3:20-21
Our citizenship is in heaven, from which we eagerly wait for the Saviour.

Paul teaches that believers already belong to another kingdom. Heaven is presented as the true homeland of God’s people, and Christ will transform their bodies to match that heavenly reality. Remember that this was addressed to a Gentile church.

3. Colossians 1:5
The hope laid up for you in heaven.

Paul describes a secure future that is kept in heaven for believers. Nothing earthly can threaten it. It is stored with God and guaranteed by Him. This is also addressed to a Gentile church.

4. 1 Peter 1:3-5
An inheritance incorruptible and undefiled, reserved in heaven for you.

Peter speaks of a heavenly inheritance that cannot spoil or fade. God Himself guards this promise, and believers are kept by His power until they receive it fully.

5. 2 Corinthians 5:1
We have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Paul contrasts our earthly bodies with a heavenly, eternal dwelling. This reveals that believers will have an everlasting life with God beyond this temporary world. Another Gentile that was given a heavenly promise.

6. John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also whom You have given Me be with Me where I am.

Jesus prays that His followers will join Him in His heavenly glory. This shows His intention and promise to bring His own into the presence of God.

I know you are thinking of a line of defense to reject this truth as you have been trained to do. But I urge you to repent and leave that evil organisation.

You failed as usual!

Here is the question again:

MaxInDHouse:
Where did God promise humans a heavenly life?

Quote where God promised humans heavenly life not where Jesus is talking to his prospective corulers where he prepared for them to rule with him or where his corulers are talking about their government house.

So think before answering.

Where did God promise humans a heavenly life?

Ken4Christ:
Even if I give you, the spirit of unbelief in you will still reject it.

Just to give a benefit of doubt, below are scripture evidence that promised us heavenm

1. John 14:1-3
Jesus tells His followers, I go to prepare a place for you, and I will come again and receive you to Myself.

Jesus promises that believers have a prepared place with Him. He speaks of His Father’s house, which points to a heavenly dwelling. This is one of the clearest promises of heaven for those who trust in Him.

2. Philippians 3:20-21
Our citizenship is in heaven, from which we eagerly wait for the Saviour.

Paul teaches that believers already belong to another kingdom. Heaven is presented as the true homeland of God’s people, and Christ will transform their bodies to match that heavenly reality. Remember that this was addressed to a Gentile church.

3. Colossians 1:5
The hope laid up for you in heaven.

Paul describes a secure future that is kept in heaven for believers. Nothing earthly can threaten it. It is stored with God and guaranteed by Him. This is also addressed to a Gentile church.

4. 1 Peter 1:3-5
An inheritance incorruptible and undefiled, reserved in heaven for you.

Peter speaks of a heavenly inheritance that cannot spoil or fade. God Himself guards this promise, and believers are kept by His power until they receive it fully.

5. 2 Corinthians 5:1
We have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Paul contrasts our earthly bodies with a heavenly, eternal dwelling. This reveals that believers will have an everlasting life with God beyond this temporary world. Another Gentile that was given a heavenly promise.

6. John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also whom You have given Me be with Me where I am.

Jesus prays that His followers will join Him in His heavenly glory. This shows His intention and promise to bring His own into the presence of God.

I know you are thinking of a line of defense to reject this truth as you have been trained to do. But I urge you to repent and leave that evil organisation.

Hub

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote a verse in the Bible that says "Jesus is God"

They have blindfolded you people for so long threatening you with Hellfire now you have found the truth is it Jesus is God that is your problem again?

Who taught you that Jesus is God?
Is it not the same people threatening you with Hellfire?🤔

Well we acknowledge Jesus as Lord in our hearts {Romans 10:9} that's why we are doing everything he COMMANDED {Matthew 28:19} us to do as his slaves! Colossians 3:24

We don't go about shouting Jesus is Lord without doing the will of his father! Matthew 7:21-23

At least some people still have integrity small in Christianity to know jesus is not God but messenger, messiah....
TenQ
antiislam

MaxInDHouse:
You failed as usual!

Here is the question again:



Quote where God promised humans heavenly life not where Jesus is talking to his prospective corulers where he prepared for them to rule with him or where his corulers are talking about their government house.

So think before answering.

Where did God promise humans a heavenly life?

Thomas Dydimus is better than you. At least he saw and believed. You see and still don't believe. If all the scripture quoted doesn't send any message to you, you are completely hopeless.

Guy God never promised humans any heavenly life where He created for us is EARTH! Psalms 115:16🙂

Ken4Christ:
Thomas Dydimus is better than you. At least he saw and believed. You see and still don't believe. If all the scripture quoted doesn't send any message to you, you are completely hopeless.

Expanse2020:
Hub
At least some people still have integrity small in Christianity to know jesus is not God but messenger, messiah....
TenQ, antiislam

So you want to talk about integrity when you are just the same as them!😟

MaxInDHouse:
So you want to talk about integrity when you are just the same as them!😟

Aww
Don't get me wrong because the little integrity I wrote there you are bird of a feather 🤣🤣🤣
You followed the same part path...
You even call Jesus arch angel too..

Expanse2020:
Aww
Don't get me wrong because the little integrity I wrote there you are bird of a feather 🤣🤣🤣
You followed the same part path...
You even call Jesus arch angel too..

Whatever anyone says about his or her God is not the problem now but where worshipers of the same god failed to use the word of their god to settle disputes that is evidence they don't believe in any god in the first place!😟

MaxInDHouse:
Guy God never promised humans any heavenly life where He created for us is EARTH! Psalms 115:16🙂

Earth sell you will not see. Hopeless sinner like you. You are believing the lies of Russell and Rutherford.