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SIRTee15:
So this clown has finally admitted that the Hadith is authentic. The clown initially shouted Lies Lies when I slapped him with the Hadith.

But if u think the other hadiths u brought will save u, u must be smoking pots.

So what u saying is Allah will give the punishment meant for the Muslims and enact it on the Jews and Christians.
Is that what u saying.

So u saying a Muslim that's supposed to be punished for his own sins, will be removed from hell and would replaced him with a Christian or Jew.

Why should Allah punish a Christian for an offense he never committed. Why should he be punished for an offense committed by a Muslim.

If my offence is shirk, why should I be punished for adultery and gambling I never committed.

Dofman reason am now, I'm sure u know say the thing no make sense.

Everybody should the punished for their own sins, which one is Allah doing arbitrary and meaningless justice up and down

Besides, what u describe for your Allah is what Paul call propitiation in the bible.
Paul said the punishment meant for us has been taken by Christ.
Christ has been punished for our sins, so we dont need to be punished anymore.

So Allah agreed with Paul that propitiation is real. Someone else can actually be punished for your sins and it's fair game.
If u agree with Allah, do u also agree with Paul.

Christ actually said he came to take the punishment meant for us, but I can't recall any Christian or Muslim claiming they are here to collect punishment meant for Muslims.

That's why propitiation in Islam no make sense. U can't just burdened someone with someone else punishment.

If Allah actually does that, then he's an unjust God who doesn't understand justice.

If Allah wants to punish Christians and Jews, let him punish them. Which one is carrying Muslim punishment on top Jews head.

😀😀😀 see this pagan o .

I have bursted your lies about the Hadith you wanted to twist . Na by force to be pagan like you Pauline people thinking jesus has carried your sins ahaaa. Dey play .

Quran made it clear that everyone will carry his or her sin , na pagan like you will never agreed to console your paganism ; we do not care nah. Afterall , you are Paul follower nah; so no hassle at all .

If not because you are clown and daft , if you claimed jesus kpai for your sin , why are you into sin again nah ? , who kpai for those before Jesus came or they were all in hell 🔥 , reason nah you are finished in that religion .

Oya open your bible and go to Deuteronomy 24:16: which States that parents should not be executed for the sins of their children, nor children for the sins of their parents; each person is to die for their own sin.
Then why Jesus will be executed for your sin nah 🤣?

That verse above closely affirmed you will carry your own sin . And Jesus has made it clearer that he did not come to abolished the law ; na you decided to follow your master Paul new law nah; you will know score , just kpai first . Lobatan .

Now , pagan , how can your god kpai for you nah ; reason nah , Paul who brought your fake religion has finished you completely ahaaaa


Preaching…..

Allah will punished pagans because they did not follow what the prophets preached to them .

Paul is your master and you have admitted . Jesus never preached Christianity , you are only here to preach Pauline religion 😀

Are you ready to stop being a Paul follower ?

Oya repeat after me , I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God

IslamVIRGINS:
After this, I will be tagging your friends on nairaland to help you out since you found it difficult answering my question!

For the last time, agbaakko boy, quote quran 16:97

😀😀😀my student she-pagan .

Abegi tag them , let them come see how I finished you off . You also need to tag your fellow pagans to come and rescue you asap , I am here 🥷.


You don cast finally . Even if you repeat same thing over and over seh . You have finished .

I this forum , this only question will be hunting you around ahaaa.

Oya if you fit , answer nah :

As I already answered your questions , Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?


Preaching ….

What is your gain if kpai as a she -pagan; waste a wasteful life !

Your previous answered question :

Question 1. Why Muslim worship in Makkah ?

In islam , Muslim worship no any person or thing expect Allah . Kaaba 🕋 is only use for reference point for unified direction for all Muslim to pray . Allah commanded it and ask those who believe to prayed facing Kaaba 🕋.


Surah 2:144: I quote

"We see you turning your face towards heaven. Now We will make you turn towards a direction... that will please you. So turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque [in Mecca]—wherever you are, turn your faces towards it".


Surah 2:149:

"And wherever you are, turn your face toward the Sacred Mosque".

Surah 2:150:

"And wherever you are, turn your face toward the Sacred Mosque...".


The verses emphasize that turning towards the Kaaba is a command from God, not an act of worship towards the structure itself. It serves as a central point of prayer for Muslims worldwide, symbolizing unity.

Now if the God(Allah ) himself commanded us to face that place during prayer does, who are you or fellow pagan to tell us not ?

Before Muhammad arrived , previous believers have been praying to one God facing direction of Jerusalem . Read Daniel 6:10, which states that Daniel prayed with his windows open toward Jerusalem.

This is also supported by 1 Kings 8:29-30, Solomon's prayer for those who pray toward the Temple in Jerusalem,

and 2 Chronicles 6:20, which echoes this sentiment. These verses describe the practice as directing prayer toward Jerusalem or the Temple as a way of showing faith and remembrance.

Facing a sacred place during prayer does not mean you are worshiping them. As they face the place , they give the glory to Allah , the lords of all the words .

Every mosque 🕌 you see close to your house is facing Kaaba 🕋 direction .

Go do your personal research and learn .

Hatred toward Islam can never favour you . Those that tried it , where are they now ; Islam is still dominating .,


Quran 61:8

They wish to extinguish Allah’s light with their mouths, but Allah will ˹certainly˺ perfect His light, even to the dismay of the disbelievers




QUESTION 2.
Where is it written in Quran that you are taking your body to paradise?


ANSWER :

Quran 7:46

There will be a barrier between Paradise and Hell. And on the heights of that barrier will be people who will recognize ˹the residents of both by their appearance.

They will call out to the residents of Paradise, “Peace be upon you!” They will have not yet entered Paradise, but eagerly hope to.


Now from the above verse , is that spirit in paradise or people ( human) ? 😂


The soul of the believer is a bird that is nourished from the trees of Paradise, until Allah returns it to its body on the Day when he is resurrected.” (Al-Nasa’i, Ibn Majah, Ahmad, Malik; Sahih)

Did you not see that soul retuned to the body ? 😂

Did you see soul there ; I asked you again ?


Now , let me me split it for you so that your cerebellum can process it :

During their journeys through this universe, the soul and its body travel through four different worlds:

1. The womb - where the soul joins its body.

2. At Death: The soul leaves the body.

3. In the Grave (Barzakh): The soul temporarily returns to the body to be questioned about the deceased's beliefs and deeds.

4. Day of Judgment: The soul is reunited with the body in the most complete and final form, a process known as the resurrection. This will be a literal and physical reunion, where people will recognize each other.

If you want to learn , come and learn and leave your Pauline religion .


And don’t forget , your book say you guys have 100 wives 😂 how far ?


QUESTION 3:
While you males get seventy two girls in Janah, what will your female counterparts get? perhaps seventy two young men, back your answer with Quran reference!

ANSWER

Why your god in your man made bible promise your men 100 wives ?

While your god in your man made bible share 16,000 virgin girls ? Why not sharing men 😂

Also, did God question Solomon of marrying many wives ?

Since God did not questioning him for that , why are you feel pain of that nah or you are jealous 😂


Moreover , It is a blessing to be a female in Islam same with a man .


Never will I allow to be lost the work of any of you, [b][/b]male or female. (Aal lmran 2:195)

Whosoever works righteousness, whether male or female, while he(or she) is a true believer, We will give a good life. (An-Nahl 16:97)

And whoever does righteous good deeds, being a male or a female, and is a true believer, such will enter Paradise. (An-Nisaa’ 4:124)


Now let back to your bible as see how your females are being used 😂

Numbers 31:40-42

40 and 16,000 virgin girls, of whom 32 were the Lord’s share.

Why girls were shared and not boys or men ?

What is the gain of woman nah ? Ahaaa

Why only girls or woman are using for sharing ?.

Antiislaam:
Ahahaha Kaaba worshipper calling someone pagan

Abunu, oya gba

Everyone know that you are in agbaaako religion chai 😀😀

Antiislaam:
Sule,

Dey will soon collect your phone and send you back to where you come from

Antiislaam:
RIP boy

Antiislaam:
I talk am, dey wan collect Sule's phone, send him back to where he comes from

Antiislaam:
Ahahahaha Sule abunu ooo,

Shey can I bail you out there so that you can have full and free movement to access your phone, etc abi bawo ebira

Antiislaam:
But wait Sule abunu,

Dem quickly give you break time today ooo kilari'gbo

Shey dose guards don dey consider you nii? I'm happy for you sha ara Libya but latest before 1pm 9ja time, dey must send you back to where you come from

Eyaaaa Pele oooo 😀😀

Are you ready to rescue her ?

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

doffman:
Everyone know that you are in agbaaako religion chai 😀😀

Sule,

Everyone knows that you be stone worshipper, awon Kaaba tins

dofman:
Eyaaaa Pele oooo 😀😀

Are you ready to rescue her ?

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

Sule,

She has shown that with many Bible verses, boya ko rent omo primary 1 as usual ko help e out

AntiisIam:
Sule,

She has shown that with many Bible verses, boya ko rent omo primary 1 as usual ko help e out

😀😀 in summary , you can never help her ahaaaa.

May be copy it out and send it to your pastor to help you out ahhaaa

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

🥷

AntiisIam:
Sule,

Everyone knows that you be stone worshipper, awon Kaaba tins

😀😀😀😀pagan ooo


No be you here ? Ahaaa


Agbaaaaaaaako ahaaa

antiisiam:
She has shown that with many Bible verses, boya ko rent omo primary 1 as usual ko help e out

Maybe , help her to quote the verse out here and let me tutored you as I tutored her previously . You are engaging someone that know bible than you and your pastor in combine . 🤣 no wuruwuru to answer .

😀😀 in summary , you can never help her ahaaaa.

May be copy it out and send it to your pastor to help you out ahhaaa

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

🥷

doffman:
Maybe , help her to quote the verse out here and let me tutored you as I tutored her previously . You are engaging someone that know bible than you and your pastor in combine . 🤣 no wuruwuru to answer .

😀😀 in summary , you can never help her ahaaaa.

May be copy it out and send it to your pastor to help you out ahhaaa

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

🥷

She doesn't need any help, na you need help, rent omo primary 1 to help you out in reading those verses she sent to you sogbo

dofman:
😀😀😀😀pagan ooo


No be you here ? Ahaaa


Agbaaaaaaaako ahaaa

Sule, this one is good fun awon arabinrin e

dofman:
😀😀 in summary , you can never help her ahaaaa.

May be copy it out and send it to your pastor to help you out ahhaaa

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

🥷

Omi eran,

Sebi you get Holy Bible inside your mosque?

dofman:
😀😀😀 see this pagan o .

I have bursted your lies about the Hadith you wanted to twist . Na by force to be pagan like you Pauline people thinking jesus has carried your sins ahaaa. Dey play .

Quran made it clear that everyone will carry his or her sin , na pagan like you will never agreed to console your paganism ; we do not care nah. Afterall , you are Paul follower nah; so no hassle at all .

If not because you are clown and daft , if you claimed jesus kpai for your sin , why are you into sin again nah ? , who kpai for those before Jesus came or they were all in hell 🔥 , reason nah you are finished in that religion .

na u bring the hadith, no be me.

“For each person there is a place in Paradise and a place in Hell.” When the believer enters Paradise, his place in Hell is taken over by the kaafir( pagan ) because he deserves that because of his kufr(paganism)

Allah is saying he will replace muslims in hell for kaffir in hell.
the question is why can't Allah allow the muslims serve his punishment. why must the Muslim go to hell and be punished for his sins. Why must his place in hell be given to another.

That's propitiation my friend. someone else taken the punishment meant for u.

Allah is confirming propitiation declared by Jesus Christ 600 years earlier.

Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. John 15.13

dofman:
Oya open your bible and go to Deuteronomy 24:16: which States that parents should not be executed for the sins of their children, nor children for the sins of their parents; each person is to die for their own sin.

I cannot recall any parent saying he came to this world to die for his sins of his children. I also cannot recall any child saying he came to this world to be punished for the sins of his/her parents.

dofman:
Then why Jesus will be executed for your sin nah 🤣?

Because he himself said that's what he came to do. HE'S THE SUFFERING MESSIAH

Matt 20
28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

I[i]saiah 53.10
Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,[/i]

dofman:
That verse above closely affirmed you will carry your own sin . And Jesus has made it clearer that he did not come to abolished the law ; na you decided to follow your master Paul new law nah; you will know score , just kpai first . Lobatan .

Yinmu....God that told Ezekiel to carry the sins of Israelites for over a year.

Ezekiel 4.5
I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin. So for 390 days you will bear the sin of the people of Israel.

dofman:
Now , pagan , how can your god kpai for you nah ; reason nah , Paul who brought your fake religion has finished you completely ahaaaa

Preaching…..

Allah will punished pagans because they did not follow what the prophets preached to them .

Paul is your master and you have admitted . Jesus never preached Christianity , you are only here to preach Pauline religion 😀

Are you ready to stop being a Paul follower ?

Oya repeat after me , I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God

first explain to me why I should not consider Allah an unjust God.

Why is he replacing Muslims for kaffirs in hell. Why is he saying Muslims would not be punished for their sins but their place in hell will be taken by kaffirs.

Seriously, joke aside. That makes no sense to me.

Imagine an armed robber and rapist in court. The armed robber is to be sentenced to 40 yrs while the rapist to 10 yrs.
Just because the Judge liked the rapist, he exonerated him and then adds the rapist's 10 years to the armed robber's sentence.
The armed robber never said he would take the punishment of the rapist.
U sef reason am na, how that judgement take make sense.

This is why Islamic theology makes no sense.

SIRTee15:
na u bring the hadith, no be me.

“For each person there is a place in Paradise and a place in Hell.” When the believer enters Paradise, his place in Hell is taken over by the kaafir( pagan ) because he deserves that because of his kufr(paganism)

Allah is saying he will replace muslims in hell for kaffir in hell.
the question is why can't Allah allow the muslims serve his punishment. why must the Muslim go to hell and be punished for his sins. Why must his place in hell be given to another.

That's propitiation my friend. someone else taken the punishment meant for u.

Allah is confirming propitiation declared by Jesus Christ 600 years earlier.

Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. John 15.13


I cannot recall any parent saying he came to this world to die for his sins of his children. I also cannot recall any child saying he came to this world to be punished for the sins of his/her parents.

Because he himself said that's what he came to do. HE'S THE SUFFERING MESSIAH

Matt 20
28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

I[i]saiah 53.10
Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,[/i]


Yinmu....God that told Ezekiel to carry the sins of Israelites for over a year.

Ezekiel 4.5
I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin. So for 390 days you will bear the sin of the people of Israel.





first explain to me why I should not consider Allah an unjust God.

Why is he replacing Muslims for kaffirs in hell. Why is he saying Muslims would not be punished for their sins but their place in hell will be taken by kaffirs.

Seriously, joke aside. That makes no sense to me.

Imagine an armed robber and rapist in court. The armed robber is to be sentenced to 40 yrs while the rapist to 10 yrs.
Just because the Judge liked the rapist, he exonerated him and then adds the rapist's 10 years to the armed robber's sentence.
The armed robber never said he would take the punishment of the rapist.
U sef reason am na, how that judgement take make sense.

This is why Islamic theology makes no sense.

You are mixing two completely different concepts and calling them the same. The hadith is not describing propitiation, substitutionary atonement, or a righteous man taking punishment for sinners. It is describing compensation and reallocation on the Day of Judgment based on each person’s own deeds.

The text says each person has a place in Paradise and a place in Hell.
This simply means every human has two potential destinies, and the one you don’t occupy becomes empty. When a believer’s Hell-place is left empty, it is given to a disbeliever not as a punishment for the believer’s sins, but because the disbeliever filled his own record with actions deserving Hell.Nobody is punished for another’s sins.
The Qur’an repeatedly states No soul bears the burden of another. (Q 6:164, 17:15, 35:18)

Why this is not substitution like in Christian theology are:

1. The Muslim is not punished.
In Christianity, Jesus is punished. In Islam the Muslim is not. If no punishment is placed on the innocent, there is no propitiation, no substitution.

2. The disbeliever is punished only for his deeds. The hadith does not say he suffers for Muslim sins. It says he deserves it because of his kufr.No transfer of guilt.No innocent man dying. No righteous person carrying sin. Nothing like Christian atonement.

3. The place in Hell is not a punishment quota, it’s a vacated spot. A seat in a stadium is not an injury. A place in Hell is not a sin-transfer. It is simply an opening that someone else who already earned Hell occupies.
So your courtroom analogy collapses. In Islam the rapist doesn’t get punished for the robber. The robber doesn’t get punished for the rapist. Each man receives his own due, and no one swaps sins.

Meanwhile Christianity explicitly teaches substitutionary punishment. The innocent Jesus is crushed for other people’s sins (Isaiah 53 as interpreted). Their sins are placed on him. He suffers the penalty meant for them.
That is exactly the thing the Qur’an denies and the hadith does not support. And your own evidence proves the point. Ezekiel does not die for Israel. He simply acts out a symbolic sign no transfer of sin, no punishment inflicted.

So the reason you should not call Allah unjust is simple. Islam does not teach innocent suffering, sin transfer, or God punishing one person for another’s crimes. Christianity does. Islamic theology is internally consistent;
Your deeds, your judgment, your destination.

No innocent man pays your bill. No righteous prophet is executed for others. No sin is transferred. And no hadith contradicts the Qur’an’s fundamental rule.

That is justice.

honesttalk21:
You are mixing two completely different concepts and calling them the same. The hadith is not describing propitiation, substitutionary atonement, or a righteous man taking punishment for sinners. It is describing compensation and reallocation on the Day of Judgment based on each person’s own deeds.

The text says each person has a place in Paradise and a place in Hell.
This simply means every human has two potential destinies, and the one you don’t occupy becomes empty. When a believer’s Hell-place is left empty, it is given to a disbeliever not as a punishment for the believer’s sins, but because the disbeliever filled his own record with actions deserving Hell.Nobody is punished for another’s sins.
The Qur’an repeatedly states No soul bears the burden of another. (Q 6:164, 17:15, 35:18)

Why this is not substitution like in Christian theology are:

1. The Muslim is not punished.
In Christianity, Jesus is punished. In Islam the Muslim is not. If no punishment is placed on the innocent, there is no propitiation, no substitution.

2. The disbeliever is punished only for his deeds. The hadith does not say he suffers for Muslim sins. It says he deserves it because of his kufr.No transfer of guilt.No innocent man dying. No righteous person carrying sin. Nothing like Christian atonement.

3. The place in Hell is not a punishment quota, it’s a vacated spot. A seat in a stadium is not an injury. A place in Hell is not a sin-transfer. It is simply an opening that someone else who already earned Hell occupies.
So your courtroom analogy collapses. In Islam the rapist doesn’t get punished for the robber. The robber doesn’t get punished for the rapist. Each man receives his own due, and no one swaps sins.

Meanwhile Christianity explicitly teaches substitutionary punishment. The innocent Jesus is crushed for other people’s sins (Isaiah 53 as interpreted). Their sins are placed on him. He suffers the penalty meant for them.
That is exactly the thing the Qur’an denies and the hadith does not support. And your own evidence proves the point. Ezekiel does not die for Israel. He simply acts out a symbolic sign no transfer of sin, no punishment inflicted.

So the reason you should not call Allah unjust is simple. Islam does not teach innocent suffering, sin transfer, or God punishing one person for another’s crimes. Christianity does. Islamic theology is internally consistent;
Your deeds, your judgment, your destination.

No innocent man pays your bill. No righteous prophet is executed for others. No sin is transferred. And no hadith contradicts the Qur’an’s fundamental rule.

That is justice.

So will the muslim be punished for his sin on judgement day? Yes or No.

Will a muslim with sin as big as mountain be punished for his sins, or it will be pushed on the neck of a christian/Jew

because that's what not doffman is insinuating and the earlier hadith I brought earlier clearly contradict your argument.

The Hadith (Sahih Muslim 2767d) means that on the Day of Resurrection, some Muslims with immense sins will be forgiven by Allah's mercy, and the Jews and Christians who are destined for Hell due to their disbelief and rejection of the Prophet Muhammad's message will occupy the places in Hell that the sinful Muslims might otherwise have filled .

The hadith is clear, even muslims with big big sins will be forgiven and the punishment meant for them will be transferred to christians/Jews.

doffman brought another hadith which actually confirms that Allah will block Muslims from going to hell irrespective of their sin and push christians and muslims to take their place.

This is a clear case of miscarriage of Justice and can only be executed by an unjust deity.

everybody should be punished for their sins, no christian or Jew ever said they want to be punished for someone's else sins.

The only person who made such proclamation is Jesus Christ, yet u guys reject him but still want someone else to be punished for your sins.

makes no sense at all.

doffman:
Maybe , help her to quote the verse out here and let me tutored you as I tutored her previously . You are engaging someone that know bible than you and your pastor in combine . 🤣 no wuruwuru to answer .

😀😀 in summary , you can never help her ahaaaa.

May be copy it out and send it to your pastor to help you out ahhaaa

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

🥷

@antiIslam

ask this clown to show you from his Quran, a single verse where its written that 'Muhammed spoke to angel Gabriel'

shebi he's here arguing for direct word fallacy- throw it back at him.

ask this clown to show from his Quran, just one single verse where it says 'An angel spoke to Muhammed'

That's what I've been dragging with his colleague in the other thread but deflecting the question, I doubt he can do any better.
but u never can say, even a dead clock is right 2ce a day.

ask him to show us a clear explicit verse in his Quran that says 'angel Gabriel spoke to Muhammed.'

SIRTee15:
So will the muslim be punished for his sin on judgement day? Yes or No.

Will a muslim with sin as big as mountain be punished for his sins, or it will be pushed on the neck of a christian/Jew

because that's what not doffman is insinuating and the earlier hadith I brought earlier clearly contradict your argument.

The Hadith (Sahih Muslim 2767d) means that on the Day of Resurrection, some Muslims with immense sins will be forgiven by Allah's mercy, and the Jews and Christians who are destined for Hell due to their disbelief and rejection of the Prophet Muhammad's message will occupy the places in Hell that the sinful Muslims might otherwise have filled .

The hadith is clear, even muslims with big big sins will be forgiven and the punishment meant for them will be transferred to christians/Jews.

doffman brought another hadith which actually confirms that Allah will block Muslims from going to hell irrespective of their sin and push christians and muslims to take their place.

This is a clear case of miscarriage of Justice and can only be executed by an unjust deity.

everybody should be punished for their sins, no christian or Jew ever said they want to be punished for someone's else sins.

The only person who made such proclamation is Jesus Christ, yet u guys reject him but still want someone else to be punished for your sins.

makes no sense at all.

Will a Muslim Be Punished for His Sins? Yes if Allah wills. This is addressed directly in the Qur’an. The sacred text leaves no room for ambiguity; Whoever does an atom’s weight of evil will see it. (Qur’an 99:8 ) This verse underscores a fundamental principle that every individual is responsible for his or her own actions. While Allah possesses the ultimate authority to punish or to forgive, no sin simply disappears without due cause or justice. Each deed, no matter how small, is accounted for. Yet, the possibility of forgiveness remains, reflecting the balance between divine justice and mercy.

Does Islam Teach That Others Bear Muslims’ Sins? No and this is a common misconception, but the answer is unequivocal; Islam does not teach that anyone can bear the sins of another. The Qur’an affirms this principle repeatedly, declaring, No soul bears the burden of another.” (6:164, 17:15, 35:18, among others) This foundational rule is woven throughout Islamic scripture, emphasizing personal responsibility.

Some may reference a hadith that mentions a Jew or Christian being a release from Hell for a Muslim. However, this does not imply a transfer of sin. The Arabic term فِكَاكُكَ (fikakuka) translates to your release, not your ransom through another’s suffering. It signifies that, through Allah’s forgiveness, a person is spared from punishment, and another occupies the place that would have been theirs not because their sins have been transferred, but because the other is accountable for his own rejection of truth.

In Islam, a Muslim who has committed sins as vast as mountains might face punishment in Hell for those sins, depending on Allah's will. It's important to understand that Islam does not teach that these sins can be passed on to others. Some believers who have sinned may find themselves in Hell temporarily for purification, while others might receive complete forgiveness through Allah’s mercy.

Ultimately, salvation in Islam is a result of Allah’s mercy, not the suffering of another. Each individual faces the consequences of his or her own choices.

Some may wonder whether this approach is fair. The answer is clear; there is no injustice in this system. The disbeliever is punished solely for his own disbelief, not for the sins of others. The Muslim, if forgiven, is granted mercy without infringing upon anyone’s rights. What changes is the occupant of a place in Hell, not the moral responsibility attached to each soul.


Contrast this with the Christian doctrine of substitutionary atonement, where one man (Jesus) is believed to bear the sins of others. In Islam, forgiveness and punishment are dispensed by Allah alone, in accordance with His perfect justice and boundless mercy.

The Core Teachings are Justice, Mercy, and Accountability. By personal accountability every individual is responsible for his or her own actions. Allah judges with absolute fairness; no guilt is ever transferred.
Forgiveness is always possible in boundless mercy but never at the expense of justice.

Islam’s message is both profound and reassuring: Allah is Al-‘Adl (The Just). He is never unjust, and He never transfers guilt from one soul to another. In this system, every person stands before their Creator, accountable for their own deeds, yet always within reach of divine mercy.

Hi

honesttalk21:
Will a Muslim Be Punished for His Sins? Yes if Allah wills. This is addressed directly in the Qur’an. The sacred text leaves no room for ambiguity; Whoever does an atom’s weight of evil will see it. (Qur’an 99: This verse underscores a fundamental principle that every individual is responsible for his or her own actions. While Allah possesses the ultimate authority to punish or to forgive, no sin simply disappears without due cause or justice. Each deed, no matter how small, is accounted for. Yet, the possibility of forgiveness remains, reflecting the balance between divine justice and mercy.

Does Islam Teach That Others Bear Muslims’ Sins? No and this is a common misconception, but the answer is unequivocal; Islam does not teach that anyone can bear the sins of another. The Qur’an affirms this principle repeatedly, declaring, No soul bears the burden of another.” (6:164, 17:15, 35:18, among others) This foundational rule is woven throughout Islamic scripture, emphasizing personal responsibility.

Some may reference a hadith that mentions a Jew or Christian being a release from Hell for a Muslim. However, this does not imply a transfer of sin. The Arabic term فِكَاكُكَ (fikakuka) translates to your release, not your ransom through another’s suffering. It signifies that, through Allah’s forgiveness, a person is spared from punishment, and another occupies the place that would have been theirs not because their sins have been transferred, but because the other is accountable for his own rejection of truth.

In Islam, a Muslim who has committed sins as vast as mountains might face punishment in Hell for those sins, depending on Allah's will. It's important to understand that Islam does not teach that these sins can be passed on to others. Some believers who have sinned may find themselves in Hell temporarily for purification, while others might receive complete forgiveness through Allah’s mercy.

Ultimately, salvation in Islam is a result of Allah’s mercy, not the suffering of another. Each individual faces the consequences of his or her own choices.

Some may wonder whether this approach is fair. The answer is clear; there is no injustice in this system. The disbeliever is punished solely for his own disbelief, not for the sins of others. The Muslim, if forgiven, is granted mercy without infringing upon anyone’s rights. What changes is the occupant of a place in Hell, not the moral responsibility attached to each soul.


Contrast this with the Christian doctrine of substitutionary atonement, where one man (Jesus) is believed to bear the sins of others. In Islam, forgiveness and punishment are dispensed by Allah alone, in accordance with His perfect justice and boundless mercy.

The Core Teachings are Justice, Mercy, and Accountability. By personal accountability every individual is responsible for his or her own actions. Allah judges with absolute fairness; no guilt is ever transferred.
Forgiveness is always possible in boundless mercy but never at the expense of justice.

Islam’s message is both profound and reassuring: Allah is Al-‘Adl (The Just). He is never unjust, and He never transfers guilt from one soul to another. In this system, every person stands before their Creator, accountable for their own deeds, yet always within reach of divine mercy.

I'm not interested in your long sermon, don't preach to me.

Deal clearly with the issue and this authentic Hadith...

The Hadith (Sahih Muslim 2767d) means that on the Day of Resurrection, some Muslims with immense sins will be forgiven by Allah's mercy, and the Jews and Christians who are destined for Hell due to their disbelief and rejection of the Prophet Muhammad's message will occupy the places in Hell that the sinful Muslims might otherwise have filled

You can't be telling me everyone will bear their own sins yet Allah is saying on judgement day, he will pardon some Muslims of their sins and in their stead, will punish Christians/Jew.

The issue here is not if Allah will forgive sins of Muslims or not. But what happens to the punishment those sins deserve.
There is punishment attached to each sin. If Allah forgive the sins, what happen to the punishments.

Every sin must be justly punished. That's why God is not only merciful but just.

So if Allah is wiping out sins of Muslims, what happens to the consequence of those sins.
Well the Hadith is saying, the consequence will be passed on to Jews and Christians.

This is propitiation - how punishment for sin is dealt with.
And it's very clear that Hadith is saying Christians/Jews will be punished for the sins of Muslims.


The only rational here is there's contradiction in the Islamic theology or it doesn't make sense at all.

Pls don't preach here. I allowed it in the other thread because u are not a Christian so I was soft on you.

You are a Muslim, u should be clear with your theology, don't come here with verbose and meaningless words

SIRTee15:
Hi

I'm not interested in your long sermon, don't preach to me.

Deal clearly with the issue and this authentic Hadith...

The Hadith (Sahih Muslim 2767d) means that on the Day of Resurrection, some Muslims with immense sins will be forgiven by Allah's mercy, and the Jews and Christians who are destined for Hell due to their disbelief and rejection of the Prophet Muhammad's message will occupy the places in Hell that the sinful Muslims might otherwise have filled

You can't be telling me everyone will bear their own sins yet Allah is saying on judgement day, he will pardon some Muslims of their sins and in their stead, will punish Christians/Jew.

The issue here is not if Allah will forgive sins of Muslims or not. But what happens to the punishment those sins deserve.
There is punishment attached to each sin. If Allah forgive the sins, what happen to the punishments.

Every sin must be justly punished. That's why God is not only merciful but just.

So if Allah is wiping out sins of Muslims, what happens to the consequence of those sins.
Well the Hadith is saying, the consequence will be passed on to Jews and Christians.

This is propitiation - how punishment for sin is dealt with.
And it's very clear that Hadith is saying Christians/Jews will be punished for the sins of Muslims.


The only rational here is there's contradiction in the Islamic theology or it doesn't make sense at all.

Pls don't preach here. I allowed it in the other thread because u are not a Christian so I was soft on you.

You are a Muslim, u should be clear with your theology, don't come here with verbose and meaningless words

In haste a clear explanations are lost or there's zero communication. Be a little more patient please.

The hadith found in Sahih Muslim 2767 doesn’t imply that Jews or Christians are punished for the sins of Muslims. It actually conveys a different message altogether. In Islamic theology, a sin consists of two parts: the act itself and the punishment that the sinner would face. When Allah forgives a Muslim, that sin is completely erased, the punishment associated with it is nullified, not passed on to someone else. There’s no principle in Islam stating that every sin must still be punished. Allah has the power to forgive without imposing any punishment; He forgives whom He wills. (Qur’an 5:18).

So, what’s the real meaning of the hadith?
It indicates that the spot in Hell that the forgiven Muslim would have occupied is left vacant. The hadith refers to this as his place. That space is then filled by those who genuinely deserve Hell due to their own disbelief. This is why traditional scholars have emphasized that the hadith isn’t about transferring punishment or vicarious guilt. No sin shifts from one individual to another. Each person is judged based on their own actions (Qur’an 6:164).

Thus, the forgiven Muslim’s sin carries no lingering punishment it’s completely wiped clean. Where the Jew or Christian mentioned enters Hell it's solely because of their own actions, not because they are bearing the consequences for someone else.

The hadith speaks to allocation, not substitution, which is why it aligns with the principles of Islamic justice. Thanks

honesttalk21:
In haste a clear explanations are lost or there's zero communication. Be a little more patient please.

The hadith found in Sahih Muslim 2767 doesn’t imply that Jews or Christians are punished for the sins of Muslims. It actually conveys a different message altogether. In Islamic theology, a sin consists of two parts: the act itself and the punishment that the sinner would face. When Allah forgives a Muslim, that sin is completely erased, the punishment associated with it is nullified, not passed on to someone else. There’s no principle in Islam stating that every sin must still be punished. Allah has the power to forgive without imposing any punishment; He forgives whom He wills. (Qur’an 5:18).

So, what’s the real meaning of the hadith?
It indicates that the spot in Hell that the forgiven Muslim would have occupied is left vacant. The hadith refers to this as his place. That space is then filled by those who genuinely deserve Hell due to their own disbelief. This is why traditional scholars have emphasized that the hadith isn’t about transferring punishment or vicarious guilt. No sin shifts from one individual to another. Each person is judged based on their own actions (Qur’an 6:164).

Thus, the forgiven Muslim’s sin carries no lingering punishment it’s completely wiped clean. Where the Jew or Christian mentioned enters Hell it's solely because of their own actions, not because they are bearing the consequences for someone else.

The hadith speaks to allocation, not substitution, which is why it aligns with the principles of Islamic justice. Thanks

So the space meant for the muslim in hell is passed on to the Christian/Jew.
Does the Jew/Christian have a space in hell already or he's now been given a new space due to the vacancy.
Are u saying Jews and Christians for now has no space in hell yet- only Muslims have spaces in hell at the moment.
But Jews will now be allocated their space in hell on judgement day?

Is that what u saying ? This makes no sense at all.


Or is it the Jew has a space but will now be expanded because the Muslim space has been added.
So because the sin of the Muslim has been wiped out, the mansion of the Jew in hell will be expanded by Allah.
His mansion was expanded for a crime he knows nothing about.
So he will now suffer double or triple punishment in hell.

How's above different from the case of armed robber and rapist I mentioned earlier.
The armed robber already had 40 years, he is already condemned. So u saying there's nothing wrong if we add the 10 yrs punishment of the rapist to the 40 of the armed robber.
Is that what u saying because that's what your explanation seems like....

Now u said something interesting...
U said if Allah forgives, your punishment is automatically annulled.
Hmmmmm....
So if I unalive 1000 people while on earth, oppress another 10, 000; destroy the lives of another 50, 0000; then say the shahada and become a true Muslim.

U mean Allah will forgive me all those sin and also cancel all punishment my sins deserve.
Is that what u saying?
Despite the mountain of sins, Allah will just cancel all punishment, allow me to paradise and reward me with 72 virgins for my atrocious acts on earth.

Is that what u mean my Allah can annul any punishment or consequences of sin.

SIRTee15:
So the space meant for the muslim in hell is passed on to the Christian/Jew.
Does the Jew/Christian have a space in hell already or he's now been given a new space due to the vacancy.
Are u saying Jews and Christians for now has no space in hell yet- only Muslims have spaces in hell at the moment.
But Jews will now be allocated their space in hell on judgement day?

Is that what u saying ? This makes no sense at all.


Or is it the Jew has a space but will now be expanded because the Muslim space has been added.
So because the sin of the Muslim has been wiped out, the mansion of the Jew in hell will be expanded by Allah.
His mansion was expanded for a crime he knows nothing about.
So he will now suffer double or triple punishment in hell.

How's above different from the case of armed robber and rapist I mentioned earlier.
The armed robber already had 40 years, he is already condemned. So u saying there's nothing wrong if we add the 10 yrs punishment of the rapist to the 40 of the armed robber.
Is that what u saying because that's what your explanation seems like....

Now u said something interesting...
U said if Allah forgives, your punishment is automatically annulled.
Hmmmmm....
So if I unalive 1000 people while on earth, oppress another 10, 000; destroy the lives of another 50, 0000; then say the shahada and become a true Muslim.

U mean Allah will forgive me all those sin and also cancel all punishment my sins deserve.
Is that what u saying?
Despite the mountain of sins, Allah will just cancel all punishment, allow me to paradise and reward me with 72 virgins for my atrocious acts on earth.

Is that what u mean my Allah can annul any punishment or consequences of sin.

Your objection is based on a misunderstanding and false premises. Islam does not claim that a Muslim’s sins are transferred to Jews or Christians as a way to balance morality. The hadith employs figurative language rather than suggesting any sort of literal space swapping or transferring of punishment. Each individual is responsible for their own sins and this is a clear principle in the Qur’an (Qur’an 6:164; 53:38).

Everyone is accountable for their own disbelief or wrongdoings. When Allah forgives a believer, it means the punishment is lifted, not passed on to someone else. A disbeliever faces consequences for their own actions, not for the sins of others. There’s no double jeopardy, no increase in anyone’s punishment, and certainly no injustice.

Regarding the idea of saying shahada after mass murder, Islam clearly states that the rights of victims remain intact, regardless of conversion. Allah may forgive personal transgressions, but human wrongs still demand restitution and justice (Qur’an 4:93; authentic hadith on qisas and mazalim).

Your analogy about a robber misses the mark because Islam completely rejects the concept of vicarious punishment. While Christianity embraces substitution, Islam firmly denies it. In Islam, forgiveness means the punishment is lifted it doesn’t get transferred to someone else.

honesttalk21:
Your objection is based on a misunderstanding and false premises. Islam does not claim that a Muslim’s sins are transferred to Jews or Christians as a way to balance morality. The hadith employs figurative language rather than suggesting any sort of literal space swapping or transferring of punishment. Each individual is responsible for their own sins and this is a clear principle in the Qur’an (Qur’an 6:164; 53:38).

Everyone is accountable for their own disbelief or wrongdoings. When Allah forgives a believer, it means the punishment is lifted, not passed on to someone else. A disbeliever faces consequences for their own actions, not for the sins of others. There’s no double jeopardy, no increase in anyone’s punishment, and certainly no injustice.

Regarding the idea of saying shahada after mass murder, Islam clearly states that the rights of victims remain intact, regardless of conversion. Allah may forgive personal transgressions, but human wrongs still demand restitution and justice (Qur’an 4:93; authentic hadith on qisas and mazalim).

Your analogy about a robber misses the mark because Islam completely rejects the concept of vicarious punishment. While Christianity embraces substitution, Islam firmly denies it. In Islam, forgiveness means the punishment is lifted it doesn’t get transferred to someone else.

It's like the newest dawah script is to change everything into figurative once they can't explain it.

Instead of him to admit the Hadith contradict the Quran and let's rest.

Regarding the mass murderer who said the shahada. If those victims were Jews and Christians, will their right still remain intact?

So Allah will call them out of hell to demand justice against their muslim oppressor b4 sending them back to hell

It seems judgement day in Islam is like a market Square bazaar with arbitrary transactions of rights and wrong.

Allah will forgive and annul the punishment of some.
Allah will forgive some but will not annul their punishment, so they will be punished.
Allah will forgive some but cannot overlook their punishment, so he will punish the Jews instead.



Makes a lot of sense is all I can say

SIRTee15:
It's like the newest dawah script is to change everything into figurative once they can't explain it.

Instead of him to admit the Hadith contradict the Quran and let's rest.

Regarding the mass murderer who said the shahada. If those victims were Jews and Christians, will their right still remain intact?

So Allah will call them out of hell to demand justice against their muslim oppressor b4 sending them back to hell

It seems judgement day in Islam is like a market Square bazaar with arbitrary transactions of rights and wrong.

Allah will forgive and annul the punishment of some.
Allah will forgive some but will not annul their punishment, so they will be punished.
Allah will forgive some but cannot overlook their punishment, so he will punish the Jews instead.



Makes a lot of sense is all I can say

Please don't reinterpret what I say into your fixation. It is implausible. That caricature only holds up if you overlook what Islamic theology truly teaches. There’s no “figurativizing to escape” here, and there’s no contradiction between the Qur’an and Hadith when it comes to justice.

In Islam, no one’s crimes are wiped away at the expense of their victims. Repentance (even the shahada) addresses God’s rights, but it doesn’t erase the rights of people. Crimes like murder, rape, theft, and oppression still owe a debt to the victims. On the Day of Judgment, victims whether Muslim or non-Muslim are compensated first. If a wrongdoer runs out of good deeds, they bear the consequences, not the victim. No Jew or Christian is punished in place of a Muslim’s wrongdoings.

The hadith about places in Hell doesn’t imply substitutionary punishment; it highlights that outcomes are personalized. Some are saved through mercy, while others face condemnation due to rejection not that guilt is passed on. Islam clearly rejects the idea of vicarious atonement; no soul bears the burden of another (Qur’an 6:164).

What you’re referring to as a “bazaar” is actually quite the opposite. It’s a system where divine mercy doesn’t negate moral responsibility. Your argument only holds if Islam promoted scapegoating, which it doesn’t and that’s exactly why your analogy falls short.

SIRTee15

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For each person there is a place in Paradise and a place in Hell.” When the believer enters Paradise, his place in Hell is taken over by the kaafir( pagan ) because he deserves that because of his kufr(paganism) [/i]

Allah is saying he will replace muslims in hell for kaffir in hell.
the question is why can't Allah allow the muslims serve his punishment. why must the Muslim go to hell and be punished for his sins. Why must his place in hell be given to another.

That's propitiation my friend. someone else taken the punishment meant for u.

😀😀 buy wait o , why is it all Christian pagans always reason upside down . Nawa o

Allah will forgives Muslims because muslim never associated anything with God . Even if Muslim sins like drinking alcohols or or minor sins , all the sins can be forgiven by the mercy of Allah except of any person kpai as a pagan . Paganism can never be forgiven.

Oya read :

Surah An-Nisa (4:48): "Indeed, Allah does not forgive associating others with Him ˹in worship˺, but forgives anything else of whoever He wills. And whoever associates others with Allah has indeed committed a grave sin."

Or read this :

Surah An-Nisa (4:116): "Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly gone far astray."

As you can see Allah is a merciful God , he forgives without any 🩸 crucifixion . But when you kpai as pagan , OYO is the case . ( May Allah not let us kpai as a pagan o )

Allah is confirming propitiation declared by Jesus Christ 600 years earlier.

Wetin you drink ? Are you normal ahaaaaa

Paul has done something strong on you 🤷🏼‍♂️

Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. John 15.13


I cannot recall any parent saying he came to this world to die for his sins of his children. I also cannot recall any child saying he came to this world to be punished for the sins of his/her parents.

Because he himself said that's what he came to do. HE'S THE SUFFERING MESSIAH

Matt 20
28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

I[i]saiah 53.10
Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,[/i]

The old scriptures has affirmed that no one will kpai for your sin , you will carry your sin by yourself .


And Jesus has told you he did not come and abolished the law , what lies and new fabricated new law of 🩸are you forcing to people to believe , I just pity you, just kpai first , you will understand .

Yinmu....God that told Ezekiel to carry the sins of Israelites for over a year.

Ezekiel 4.5
I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin. So for 390 days you will bear the sin of the people of Israel.

Now , let me be soft here .
If Ezekiel carry the sin for a year , who will carry other remaining years sin nah ? Reason nah ! Must you be reason like Paul . Tuehh !🙈


I repeat those that came before Jesus , who carry their sins ?

You will surely carry your own sins and God will ask you how you used your life .

first explain to me why I should not consider Allah an unjust God.


Why is he replacing Muslims for kaffirs in hell. Why is he saying Muslims would not be punished for their sins but their place in hell will be taken by kaffirs.

Seriously, joke aside. That makes no sense to me.

Imagine an armed robber and rapist in court. The armed robber is to be sentenced to 40 yrs while the rapist to 10 yrs.
Just because the Judge liked the rapist, he exonerated him and then adds the rapist's 10 years to the armed robber's sentence.
The armed robber never said he would take the punishment of the rapist.
U sef reason am na, how that judgement take make sense.

This is why Islamic theology makes no sense.

Allah is inherently just, Infact , he is the most Just, his another name is Al-Muqsit- the most just .

He balances deeds with perfect justice, holds wrongdoers accountable, and never wrongs His creation, though He also embodies mercy, creating a balance between divine justice and compassion. This is exactly why everyone will carry his or her sins . It is unjust of one person kpai for your sin .

Say, “Is it other than Allah I should desire as a lord while He is the Lord of all things? And every soul earns not [blame] except against itself, and no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.” (Al-An`am 6:164)

Let me give senario that will conform to our daily life .

He is very just to the extent that he allow evil makers to stay and leave for many years to see if he will seek forgiveness before death will approach him .

He is very just to the extent that he allow evil people do many evil for so many years before he will catch them ,

He is so merciful and just to the extent that he gave us good health to think and discover the truth by ourselves . Scriptures are there ; ours is to close the door of the emotion and open the door to embrace the truth . He gives us free access to unlimited Oxygen without daily subscription; he gives us everything to be comfortable and we people are spoiling it . So how God is not a just God ? Dey play !

We should blame ourselves if we reject that him nah .

Now , reason, why will he gave other prophets other salvation method and gave Jesus alone 🩸 salvation ? No be juju be that ?🤔

He is a just God that gave a clear monotheism teaching to all prophets to teach people and to warn people against his anger . Anyway , those that fall to any satanic trick should blame himself o . 🤷🏼‍♂️ read this ;

Deuteronomy 7:9-12
"Therefore know that the LORD your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments; and He repays those who hate Him to their face, to destroy them. He will not be slack with him who hates Him; He will repay him to his face. Therefore you shall keep the commandment, the statutes, and the judgments which I command you today, to observe them. “

As you can see , no excuse . Is either you follow the laid down commandment or choose Paul as a friend . Choice is yours o .

Muslims with sins will be also be punished . For example a fornicator Muslim is a sinful Muslim but not a pagan . And if Allah wish , he can even forgive as long such person has never converted to pagan .


E. g quran 24:2 prescribes one hundred lashes for both male and female fornicators.
Al-Isra 17:32 warns against approaching unlawful sexual intercourse, calling it an immorality. And so on like that .

And if such Muslim repent and stop repeating the sin , he or she will be forgiven .

Read : Surah Az-Zumar (39:53): "Say, 'O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.'"


As long as you are Muslim and not a pagan , you will be forgiven if you seek the forgiveness of such sin , if you did not , you will reap the punishment for such sin . This is severe warning ro drunkard or fornicators Muslims .everyone will carry his or her sins .

But for paganism , no forgiveness after kpai . The only option is to seek for forgiveness before the kpai .

Read : Surah An-Nisa (4:48): "Indeed, Allah does not forgive associating others with Him ˹in worship˺, but forgives anything else of whoever He wills. And whoever associates others with Allah has indeed committed a grave sin."



Preaching …..


The only salvation to heaven is to never be a pagan o .

Choosing to be in heaven is a choice . Choice is yours .

In case you want to repent ?

Oya repeat after me , I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God

AntiisIam:
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😀😀😀😀 who will now help you guys bayiii .


You know what , call your pastor here :

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

🥷

AntiisIam:
Sule, this one is good fun awon arabinrin e

Even satan know that you are part of agbako religion ahaaaa😀