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Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 11:13am On Dec 13, 2025
doffman:
Even satan know that you are part of agbako religion ahaaaa😀
Sufu

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 11:14am On Dec 13, 2025
doffman:
😀😀😀😀 who will now help you guys bayiii .


You know what , call your pastor here :

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

🥷
See abunu, stop dis, rent omo primary 1 seh
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 11:35am On Dec 13, 2025
doffman:
😀😀😀😀 who will now help you guys bayiii .


You know what , call your pastor here :

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

Abunu,

Na omo primary 1 go help you reading those Bible verses she sent to you since you can't comprehend

🥷
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 2:51pm On Dec 13, 2025
dofman:
😀😀😀my student she-pagan .

Abegi tag them , let them come see how I finished you off . You also need to tag your fellow pagans to come and rescue you asap , I am here 🥷.


You don cast finally . Even if you repeat same thing over and over seh . You have finished .

I this forum , this only question will be hunting you around ahaaa.

Oya if you fit , answer nah :

As I already answered your questions , Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?


Preaching ….

What is your gain if kpai as a she -pagan; waste a wasteful life !
Expanse2020 did you know this boy?
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 3:47pm On Dec 13, 2025
doffman:
SIRTee15




😀😀 buy wait o , why is it all Christian pagans always reason upside down . Nawa o

Allah will forgives Muslims because muslim never associated anything with God . Even if Muslim sins like drinking alcohols or or minor sins , all the sins can be forgiven by the mercy of Allah except of any person kpai as a pagan . Paganism can never be forgiven.

Oya read :

Surah An-Nisa (4:48): "Indeed, Allah does not forgive associating others with Him ˹in worship˺, but forgives anything else of whoever He wills. And whoever associates others with Allah has indeed committed a grave sin."

Or read this :

Surah An-Nisa (4:116): "Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly gone far astray."

As you can see Allah is a merciful God , he forgives without any 🩸 crucifixion . But when you kpai as pagan , OYO is the case . ( May Allah not let us kpai as a pagan o )










Wetin you drink ? Are you normal ahaaaaa

Paul has done something strong on you 🤷🏼‍♂️




The old scriptures has affirmed that no one will kpai for your sin , you will carry your sin by yourself .


And Jesus has told you he did not come and abolished the law , what lies and new fabricated new law of 🩸are you forcing to people to believe , I just pity you, just kpai first , you will understand .






Now , let me be soft here .
If Ezekiel carry the sin for a year , who will carry other remaining years sin nah ? Reason nah ! Must you be reason like Paul . Tuehh !🙈


I repeat those that came before Jesus , who carry their sins ?

You will surely carry your own sins and God will ask you how you used your life .




Allah is inherently just, Infact , he is the most Just, his another name is Al-Muqsit- the most just .

He balances deeds with perfect justice, holds wrongdoers accountable, and never wrongs His creation, though He also embodies mercy, creating a balance between divine justice and compassion. This is exactly why everyone will carry his or her sins . It is unjust of one person kpai for your sin .

Say, “Is it other than Allah I should desire as a lord while He is the Lord of all things? And every soul earns not [blame] except against itself, and no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.” (Al-An`am 6:164)

Let me give senario that will conform to our daily life .

He is very just to the extent that he allow evil makers to stay and leave for many years to see if he will seek forgiveness before death will approach him .

He is very just to the extent that he allow evil people do many evil for so many years before he will catch them ,

He is so merciful and just to the extent that he gave us good health to think and discover the truth by ourselves . Scriptures are there ; ours is to close the door of the emotion and open the door to embrace the truth . He gives us free access to unlimited Oxygen without daily subscription; he gives us everything to be comfortable and we people are spoiling it . So how God is not a just God ? Dey play !

We should blame ourselves if we reject that him nah .

Now , reason, why will he gave other prophets other salvation method and gave Jesus alone 🩸 salvation ? No be juju be that ?🤔

He is a just God that gave a clear monotheism teaching to all prophets to teach people and to warn people against his anger . Anyway , those that fall to any satanic trick should blame himself o . 🤷🏼‍♂️ read this ;

Deuteronomy 7:9-12
"Therefore know that the LORD your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments; and He repays those who hate Him to their face, to destroy them. He will not be slack with him who hates Him; He will repay him to his face. Therefore you shall keep the commandment, the statutes, and the judgments which I command you today, to observe them. “

As you can see , no excuse . Is either you follow the laid down commandment or choose Paul as a friend . Choice is yours o .

Muslims with sins will be also be punished . For example a fornicator Muslim is a sinful Muslim but not a pagan . And if Allah wish , he can even forgive as long such person has never converted to pagan .


E. g quran 24:2 prescribes one hundred lashes for both male and female fornicators.
Al-Isra 17:32 warns against approaching unlawful sexual intercourse, calling it an immorality. And so on like that .

And if such Muslim repent and stop repeating the sin , he or she will be forgiven .

Read : Surah Az-Zumar (39:53): "Say, 'O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.'"


As long as you are Muslim and not a pagan , you will be forgiven if you seek the forgiveness of such sin , if you did not , you will reap the punishment for such sin . This is severe warning ro drunkard or fornicators Muslims .everyone will carry his or her sins .

But for paganism , no forgiveness after kpai . The only option is to seek for forgiveness before the kpai .

Read : Surah An-Nisa (4:48): "Indeed, Allah does not forgive associating others with Him ˹in worship˺, but forgives anything else of whoever He wills. And whoever associates others with Allah has indeed committed a grave sin."



Preaching …..


The only salvation to heaven is to never be a pagan o .

Choosing to be in heaven is a choice . Choice is yours .

In case you want to repent ?

Oya repeat after me , I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God
It's like I'm a specialist in forcing Muslims to write long boring sermon.

Your answer is not convincing, that Hadith definitely contradict the Quran whether u accept or not.

Regarding who will carried the sins of people before Jesus. It's the MESSIAH
I showed u Isaiah but u rejected, now let me show u something else.

The redemption plan started right in the garden of Eden when man fell, it wasn't as afterthought.
God put in place redemption purpose for man immediately he fell right in the Garden, through the MESSIAH.

When God condemned the serpent, he told him he's doomed forever. But for the children of the man, God announced they will be redeemed and salvation will be for them through the MESSIAH.

Hebrew Tanakh text
Genesis 3
15 And I will put hostility between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring; he will strike your head, and you will strike his heel.”


Targum Neofiti Genesis 3:
15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your sons and her sons. And it will come about that when her sons observe the Law and do the commandments they will aim at you and smite you on your head and kill you. But when they forsake the commandments of the Law you will aim and bite him on his heel and make him ill. For her sons, however, there will be a remedy, but for you, O serpent, there will not be a remedy, since they are to make appeasement in the end, in the day of King Messiah.


There u have it, right there in the old testament from the oral Torah given by Moses himself.
So Moses already told the people that redemption will come through the MESSIAH.

So if u don't believe the prophets b4 u even b4 Christianity, then I can't help u.

Continue focusing on delusion and lies peddled by someone exposed by his own scribes of forgery and as a liar.

Sahih al-Bukhari 3617
Narrated Anas:
There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-`Imran, and he used to write for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say: "Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him."



Like Muhammed's first cousin Ubaydullah who converted to Christianity used to say to Muhammed's companion....

'We see clearly, but your eyes are only half open', i.e. 'We see, but you are only trying to see and cannot see yet.'


Ubaydullah actually converted to Islam for a while, saw the truth and revered back to Christianity.

Doffman, be like Ubaydullah....OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE THE TRUTH, OPEN. ISLAM IS FALSE, IT CONTRADICTS PREVIOUS REVELATION.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Expanse2020(m): 5:56pm On Dec 13, 2025
IslamVIRGINS:
Expanse2020 did you know this boy?
Antiislam
How are you the pagan guy
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:54am On Dec 14, 2025
SIRTee15:
It's like I'm a specialist in forcing Muslims to write long boring sermon.

Your answer is not convincing, that Hadith definitely contradict the Quran whether u accept or not.

Regarding who will carried the sins of people before Jesus. It's the MESSIAH
I showed u Isaiah but u rejected, now let me show u something else.

The redemption plan started right in the garden of Eden when man fell, it wasn't as afterthought.
God put in place redemption purpose for man immediately he fell right in the Garden, through the MESSIAH.

When God condemned the serpent, he told him he's doomed forever. But for the children of the man, God announced they will be redeemed and salvation will be for them through the MESSIAH.

Hebrew Tanakh text
Genesis 3
15 And I will put hostility between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring; he will strike your head, and you will strike his heel.”


Targum Neofiti Genesis 3:
15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your sons and her sons. And it will come about that when her sons observe the Law and do the commandments they will aim at you and smite you on your head and kill you. But when they forsake the commandments of the Law you will aim and bite him on his heel and make him ill. For her sons, however, there will be a remedy, but for you, O serpent, there will not be a remedy, since they are to make appeasement in the end, in the day of King Messiah.


There u have it, right there in the old testament from the oral Torah given by Moses himself.
So Moses already told the people that redemption will come through the MESSIAH.

So if u don't believe the prophets b4 u even b4 Christianity, then I can't help u.

Continue focusing on delusion and lies peddled by someone exposed by his own scribes of forgery and as a liar.

Sahih al-Bukhari 3617
Narrated Anas:
There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-`Imran, and he used to write for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say: "Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him."



Like Muhammed's first cousin Ubaydullah who converted to Christianity used to say to Muhammed's companion....

'We see clearly, but your eyes are only half open', i.e. 'We see, but you are only trying to see and cannot see yet.'


Ubaydullah actually converted to Islam for a while, saw the truth and revered back to Christianity.

Doffman, be like Ubaydullah....OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE THE TRUTH, OPEN. ISLAM IS FALSE, IT CONTRADICTS PREVIOUS REVELATION.
😆😆😆 it is so glaring you know nothing ahaaa. You don’t even know what you are saying again .

Anyway , since you complain about my long text ; don’t worry , I will be summarising it for you ; that Pauline spirit in you need to be chased away .

Oya , open your bible and go to Jeremiah 31:29-30

New International Version
29 “In those days people will no longer say,
‘The parents have eaten sour grapes,
and the children’s teeth are set on edge.’
30 Instead, everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge.

This signifying that people will no longer suffer for their ancestors' sins, but rather each person will be held accountable and die for their own iniquity.

Paul follower , which sin Jesus want to carry for you nah ?

You previously claimed Ezekiel will even carry sin for a year , who will carry the remaining years nah ? Who do this thing to you nah ! Shioor 😏. Think nah ! Must you follower Paul to 🔥 .

Your master Paul explain in Romans 5:12-21 how sin and death entered the world through Adam, and lies how grace through Jesus offers justification and eternal life, how nah !🙈

so no among your people bold to question Paul and ask him who will save those that came before Jesus nah ? Or those it mean God not forgive those that sin in the past . This is upright thinking for a normal person .

Read Quran 2:37:
Then Adam was inspired with words ˹of prayer˺ by his Lord,1 so He accepted his repentance. Surely He is the Accepter of Repentance, Most Merciful.

As you can see from the above verse , Allah has been forgiving rising from Adam time . He did not ask for any 🩸 same applied to other prophets . Na your Pauline religion want to import it to mankind .

Let me give you one advice : the day you read bible from page 1 to the last page of the bible , that is the day you will know that you are in wrong religion . Let me now burst you further , the day you start reading Quran and and start comparing it with your bible , that is the exact day you will detect all the lies in that your book and embrace Islam . The soul knows the truth but emotions always manipulated by Satan . Be wise o and don’t kpai being a pagan o . you just need to set your emotion mind aside and read and research with open mind .


Preaching ……

Quran 2:6

Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe.


Paul follower, are you sure this verse above is not working on you ?


In case you want to stop being a Paul follower ?

Oya repeat after me , I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 10:00am On Dec 14, 2025
IslamVIRGINS:
Expanse2020 did you know this boy?
My runaway student, 😀😀

Remember , I warned you that you did not qualify and now it has been proven ahaaa

Since you can’t answer the question , why can’t you tag any of your senior nah !


Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

🥷🗡️
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 10:07am On Dec 14, 2025
AntiisIam:
See abunu, stop dis, rent omo primary 1 seh
Na omo primary 1 go help you reading those Bible verses she sent to you since you can't comprehend
Pagan , in summary ? You cannot help your sister in Pauline religion ahaaaa


You are finished patapata 🙈

Tuehhh 🗣️
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 10:09am On Dec 14, 2025
AntiisIam:
Sufu
Even yourself know that you are in agbako religion 😀
Ahaaa

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Expanse2020(m): 11:10am On Dec 14, 2025
doffman:
My runaway student, 😀😀

Remember , I warned you that you did not qualify and now it has been proven ahaaa

Since you can’t answer the question , why can’t you tag any of your senior nah !


Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

🥷🗡️
My brother which one them can answer it
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15:
doffman:
😆😆😆 it is so glaring you know nothing ahaaa. You don’t even know what you are saying again .
I have read the Quran and the more I do, the more I have headache because it makes absolutely no sense and bears no rationale with with historical reality.

For me to believe the Quran, I have to accept history is false.

I can destroy your faith in the Quran with just one or two verse...but that's not why I'm here today.
QURAN IS NOTHING BUT A MAN MADE BOOK, EVEN MUHAMMED'S SCRIBES CONFIRMED IT.

Sahih al-Bukhari 3617
Narrated Anas:
There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-`Imran, and he used to write for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say: "Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him."


Now to the bible, I have read the old testament and I'm convinced it clearly states the messiah will die for the sins of mankind. Its just too obvious.
I will never place my faith on a belief that has no backing from previous revelation.
If a suffering messiah isn't announced in the old testament, I will never believe it.


I won't allow u run away from the truth. Paul didn't write any book in the old testament. Genesis was written by Moses.

1. IT WAS REVEALED TO MOSES THAT REDEMPTION FOR HUMANITY WILL COME VIA THE MESSIAH.

Targum Neofiti Genesis 3:
15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your sons and her sons. And it will come about that when her sons observe the Law and do the commandments they will aim at you and smite you on your head and kill you. But when they forsake the commandments of the Law you will aim and bite him on his heel and make him ill. For her sons, however, there will be a remedy, but for you, O serpent, there will not be a remedy, since they are to make appeasement in the end, in the day of King Messiah.


Moses told the Israelites Redemption WILL ONLY COME THRU THE MESSIAH. THE JEWS WROTE THIS IN THEIR OWN BOOK NOT CHRISTIANS.

2. AND THEN ISAIAH PROPHESIED THAT THE MESSIAH WILL TAKE THE SINS OF THE WHOLE MANKIND.

Hebrew text- Isaiah 53.12
Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.


Targum Jonathan. Isaiah 53.12
“The Messiah shall pray for our sins, and our iniquities shall be forgiven for his sake.”

ONCE AGAIN, THE JEWS NOT CHRISTIANS; ANCIENT JEWS, NOT PAUL INTERPRETED ISAIAH 53 TO BE ABOUT THE MESSIAH.
THE MESSIAH SHALL BEAR OUR INIQUITIES.

3. PROPHET DANIEL ACCURATELY PREDICTED THAT THE MESSIAH WILL BE KILLED FOR TRANSGRESSION OF THE PEOPLE AND WHEN IT WILL HAPPEN.

Daniel 9
24 “Seventy ‘sevens’ (490 years) are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until The Messiah the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens (49years),’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ (434 years). It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ (434 years), Messiah will be put to death and will have nothing.


THIS WAS WRITTEN BY PROPHET DANIEL ANS NOT PAUL. He predicted within 490 years of his revelation, the Messiah will be killed in Jerusalem.

4. More, let's go to the book of Zechariah where the prophet PROPHESIED that the Messiah will be pierced and put to death.

Zechariah 12.10
Hebrew text-
10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Targum Jonathan. Zechariah 12.10
“They shall look toward me because they have pierced the suffering Messiah, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only son.”

THIS WAS WRITTEN BY JEWS NOT PAUL, JEWS WROTE IN THEIR OWN BOOK THAT THE MESSIAH WILL BE PIERCED AND THE PEOPLE SHALL MOURN.

Doffman, this is the old testament NOTHING FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Now guess which MESSIAH was killed, pierced and said he came to die for the sins of mankind. cool cool cool cool

I don't understand why u keep bringing up verses that says parents won't die for sins committed by children and vice versa.
I already told u no parent said he came to the world to die for crimes committed by children and vice versa.
Everybody would be punished for their own offense.

Stop sounding like a crack cd. Read the historical context to those verse and enlighten yourself.
In ancient civilizations, it's common to punish the parent or children for crimes committed by their relatives.
God annulled that in the law given to Israelites and warn them to only punish the offender and not the innocent.

Deut 24
16 u“Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.


Ezekiel didn't literally carry the sin of the israel, not even for one day. It's a prophetic symbolic action. It's a typology showing that YES, the sins of the people can be borne on another person.

U keep asking me who carried the sins of those before Jesus when I already answered u with scriptural backing.
I will answer it again FOR THE LAST TIME.

THE ANSWER IS JESUS and it's in the scripture.

Romans 3:25–26
“God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished —he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.”



Hebrews 9:15
“For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance— now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

There u have it...keep sounding like crack CD, I will simply ignore u.

Doffman, I'm trying to help u. Leave that false religion. ISLAM HAS NO IDEA WHO THR MESSIAH IS, IT SIMPLY ASSUMED MESSIAH IS THE OTHER NAME OF JESUS.
That's why the Quran said the angel told Mary to name his son Jesus the messiah.

˹Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word1 from Him, his name will be the Messiah,2 Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.

If u understand historical Jewish culture, u will know if Mary dares give her son 'The Messiah' on the naming day, she will be stone to death for blasphemy.


Doffman, research who the messiah is. What he's meant to accomplish according to the old testament. Forget about the new testament
Research messianic verses in the OLD TESTAMENT as written by ancient Jews. Read about the verses the ancient Jews termed messianic verses- this was b4 even Jesus was born.
Trust me, u will leave Islam.

This is one of them...

Targum Jonathan
Isaiah 9.6
“For to us a son is born, and a child is given to us, and the dominion shall rest upon his shoulder; and his name shall be called the Messiah, the Prince, the Ruler, the Mighty, the Counselor, the Everlasting God of Israel, the Prince of Peace.”


ANCIENT JEWS BEFORE JESUS WHO GAVE US THE OLD TESTAMENT UNDERSTOOD THAT VERSE TO BE ABOUT THE MESSIAH.

PAUL DIDN'T WRITE ISAIAH OR TARGUM, NO CHRISTIAN DID.

doffman, run for your life from Islam. It's a false religion.
Muhammed was misled buy WARAQAH, don't be misled


Be like Muhammed's first cousin Ubaydullah who ran away from Islam when he saw the truth....

'We see clearly, but your eyes are only half open', i.e. 'We see, but you are only trying to see and cannot see yet.'
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by honesttalk21: 7:55pm On Dec 14, 2025
The claim that one of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh’s scribes left Islam and supposedly had a hand in authoring the Qur’an on a closer look just tells us that a man who left the faith made up a story after his apostasy. In reality, the Qur’an was memorized by loads of companions, recited every day in prayers, and double-checked during the Prophet’s own lifetime Q 75:17–18. In fact, it lines up with what’s mentioned in Q 16:101–102, where it’s predicted that doubters would accuse the Prophet of learning from others. If the Qur’an was just a human creation, you’d expect at least one scribe, friend, or even an enemy to come up with a different version. But that has never happened and remains something pretty remarkable when you think about it.

Some folks argue that the Qur’an clashes with historical records. But here’s the thing: the Qur’an isn’t trying to be a history textbook or an archaeological guide. Its main focus is on moral and spiritual truths, not digging up artifacts. That’s why you’ll often see phrases like, They dispute, but Allah knows best. Even among modern historians, there’s plenty of disagreement about ancient timelines. So, divine revelation doesn’t have to match up perfectly with every secular reconstruction to be valid.

There’s a popular belief that the Messiah had to die for people’s sins, but if you look at the Hebrew scriptures, you won’t find anything that says atonement requires God’s son to die. Passages like Isaiah 53, Daniel 9, and Zechariah 12 are actually poetic visions about Israel’s suffering and eventual vindication. Even traditional Jewish scholars never took these as literal predictions of crucifixion. And those Targums people sometimes reference? They’re Aramaic commentaries written centuries after Moses not the Torah itself. Judaism has always rejected the idea of a suffering, divine Messiah; that interpretation only showed up with Christianity.

According to the Qur’an, Jesus (isa عليه السلام) is called the Messiah. He’s described as a prophet born in a miraculous way, someone who healed and guided people. But the Qur’an clearly denies both his divinity and the idea that he was crucified see Q 4:157. The word Messiah in Hebrew just means anointed one basically, a chosen messenger, not a god who dies. When Mary called him al-Masih ʿIsa, it was because of an angelic message, not because she was making a claim to royalty.

If you look at the stories of Noah, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad pbuh, there’s a clear thread running through them all. Worship God alone and do what’s right. The Qur’an doesn’t break from that tradition it actually reaffirms it. You don’t have to toss out history to believe in revelation; you just need to see that the real purpose of revelation is to inspire moral change, not to lay out a political timeline.

The Qur’an stands on a foundation of preserved testimony, moral clarity, and a consistent line of prophets. The idea of a god who dies for sin? That’s a later human interpretation, not something you’ll find in the faith of the prophets themselves.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 8:25pm On Dec 14, 2025
doffman:
Even yourself know that you are in agbako religion 😀
Ahaaa
Bobo Sule

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 8:26pm On Dec 14, 2025
doffman:
Pagan , in summary ? You cannot help your sister in Pauline religion ahaaaa


You are finished patapata 🙈

Tuehhh 🗣️
Sufu,

Sebi you read those Bible verses she sent to you?
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 11:34pm On Dec 14, 2025
honesttalk21:
The claim that one of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh’s scribes left Islam and supposedly had a hand in authoring the Qur’an on a closer look just tells us that a man who left the faith made up a story after his apostasy. In reality, the Qur’an was memorized by loads of companions, recited every day in prayers, and double-checked during the Prophet’s own lifetime Q 75:17–18. In fact, it lines up with what’s mentioned in Q 16:101–102, where it’s predicted that doubters would accuse the Prophet of learning from others. If the Qur’an was just a human creation, you’d expect at least one scribe, friend, or even an enemy to come up with a different version. But that has never happened and remains something pretty remarkable when you think about it.

Some folks argue that the Qur’an clashes with historical records. But here’s the thing: the Qur’an isn’t trying to be a history textbook or an archaeological guide. Its main focus is on moral and spiritual truths, not digging up artifacts. That’s why you’ll often see phrases like, They dispute, but Allah knows best. Even among modern historians, there’s plenty of disagreement about ancient timelines. So, divine revelation doesn’t have to match up perfectly with every secular reconstruction to be valid.

There’s a popular belief that the Messiah had to die for people’s sins, but if you look at the Hebrew scriptures, you won’t find anything that says atonement requires God’s son to die. Passages like Isaiah 53, Daniel 9, and Zechariah 12 are actually poetic visions about Israel’s suffering and eventual vindication. Even traditional Jewish scholars never took these as literal predictions of crucifixion. And those Targums people sometimes reference? They’re Aramaic commentaries written centuries after Moses not the Torah itself. Judaism has always rejected the idea of a suffering, divine Messiah; that interpretation only showed up with Christianity.

According to the Qur’an, Jesus (isa عليه السلام) is called the Messiah. He’s described as a prophet born in a miraculous way, someone who healed and guided people. But the Qur’an clearly denies both his divinity and the idea that he was crucified see Q 4:157. The word Messiah in Hebrew just means anointed one basically, a chosen messenger, not a god who dies. When Mary called him al-Masih ʿIsa, it was because of an angelic message, not because she was making a claim to royalty.

If you look at the stories of Noah, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad pbuh, there’s a clear thread running through them all. Worship God alone and do what’s right. The Qur’an doesn’t break from that tradition it actually reaffirms it. You don’t have to toss out history to believe in revelation; you just need to see that the real purpose of revelation is to inspire moral change, not to lay out a political timeline.

The Qur’an stands on a foundation of preserved testimony, moral clarity, and a consistent line of prophets. The idea of a god who dies for sin? That’s a later human interpretation, not something you’ll find in the faith of the prophets themselves.
My friend, Targum interpretation came from oral Torah, it was established when the Torah was compiled by Ezra and the 120 men of the great assembly. These is the assembly responsible for preserving the torah since the time of Joshua.

Nehemiah 8
7 The Levites—Jeshua, Bani, Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodiah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan and Pelaiah—instructed the people in the Law while the people were standing there. 8 They read from the Book of the Law of God, making it clear[translating] and giving the meaning so that the people understood what was being read.


Mr Man, Quran contradict historical reality

˹Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word1 from Him, his name will be the Messiah,2 Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.

Now tell me what will happen to Mary if she carry baby Jesus to the temple and announce to the priest that his name shall be 'The Messiah'

besides more than one scribe accused Muhammed of forgery. Abdullah bin sa'd, a scribe for Muhammed claimed he used to write what he likes in the Quran and Muhammed didn't even know despite reading it to him. There was a time Abdullah bin sa'd made a remark and Muhammed told him to write the remark in the Quran. When the guy couldn't take it anymore, he returned to mecca an denounced Muhammed as a Liar.

Abi Saleh, narrated from Ibn Abbas, recorded that:
"the Messenger of Allah invited him so that he could write him the revelation, so when the verse 23:12 ("And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay"wink was revealed, the Prophet called Ibn Abi al-Sarh, and dictated it to him and when the Prophet reached the end of 23:14 ("...Thus, We formed him into a new creation"wink Abdullâh said in amazement ("فتبارک اللّٰہ احسن الخالقین So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!"wink. The Prophet said:" Write these words too (i.e., فتبارک اللّٰہ احسن الخالقین "So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!"wink, as these words have also been revealed to me."


One scribe calling Muhammed a Liar raise doubt, 2 scribes calling out Muhammed as a false prophet is a pattern recognition.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by honesttalk21: 1:58am On Dec 15, 2025
SIRTee15:
My friend, Targum interpretation came from oral Torah, it was established when the Torah was compiled by Ezra and the 120 men of the great assembly. These is the assembly responsible for preserving the torah since the time of Joshua.

Nehemiah 8
7 The Levites—Jeshua, Bani, Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodiah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan and Pelaiah—instructed the people in the Law while the people were standing there. 8 They read from the Book of the Law of God, making it clear[translating] and giving the meaning so that the people understood what was being read.


Mr Man, Quran contradict historical reality

˹Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word1 from Him, his name will be the Messiah,2 Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.

Now tell me what will happen to Mary if she carry baby Jesus to the temple and announce to the priest that his name shall be 'The Messiah'

besides more than one scribe accused Muhammed of forgery. Abdullah bin sa'd, a scribe for Muhammed claimed he used to write what he likes in the Quran and Muhammed didn't even know despite reading it to him. There was a time Abdullah bin sa'd made a remark and Muhammed told him to write the remark in the Quran. When the guy couldn't take it anymore, he returned to mecca an denounced Muhammed as a Liar.

Abi Saleh, narrated from Ibn Abbas, recorded that:
"the Messenger of Allah invited him so that he could write him the revelation, so when the verse 23:12 ("And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay"wink was revealed, the Prophet called Ibn Abi al-Sarh, and dictated it to him and when the Prophet reached the end of 23:14 ("...Thus, We formed him into a new creation"wink Abdullâh said in amazement ("فتبارک اللّٰہ احسن الخالقین So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!"wink. The Prophet said:" Write these words too (i.e., فتبارک اللّٰہ احسن الخالقین "So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!"wink, as these words have also been revealed to me."


One scribe calling Muhammed a Liar raise doubt, 2 scribes calling out Muhammed as a false prophet is a pattern recognition.
Mr, that presentation tries to tackle several different issues all at once but really stretches itself too thin.

To start, Targums are interpretive translations rather than the Oral Torah itself or do you dispute this? They show how later Jewish communities understood the Hebrew text, often paraphrasing to steer clear of anthropomorphism. This is exactly why both Jewish and non-Jewish scholars view Targums as theological commentary instead of binding revelation. Nehemiah 8 talks about translation and explanation, not about establishing metaphysical doctrines regarding the Word as a separate entity.

Then, the Qur’anic phrase a Word from Him in reference to Jesus is functional, not ontological; it’s a creative command (Be), not a divine person. This interpretation is consistent throughout the Qur’an and fits well with Semitic idioms; trying to impose later Targumic theology onto it is a fundamental misunderstanding.

Furthermore, the scribal claims you mention (like ʿAbdullāh b. Saʿd, etc.) are widely recognized, debated, and explained in early Islamic texts themselves ironically demonstrating transparency rather than concealment. None of these claims led to an alternative Qur’an, nor did they change the received text, and the same sources also note their repentance or political motivations.

Recognizing patterns requires corroborated outcomes, not just isolated anecdotes preserved by both opponents and supporters.

So, just because there’s disagreement it doesn’t mean there’s forgery. Every major prophetic tradition including those of Moses and Jesus has faced accusations of fabrication from their contemporaries. History assesses texts based on their transmission, consistency, and impact, not merely on the existence of critics.

Strong claims need clear distinctions. When we properly separate interpretation, translation, polemic, and history, the argument loses its strength.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by honesttalk21: 2:03am On Dec 15, 2025
Claims that the Qur’an has been forged by scribes fall apart when you take a closer look. Ubaydullah b. Jahsh wasn’t even a Qur’anic scribe; he left Islam for personal reasons and didn’t produce any alternative texts or evidence. Plus, he was never mentioned by contemporary Christian critics, which makes his relevance to the integrity of the text pretty much nonexistent. As for Abdullah b.Abi Sarh, early accounts suggest that his later claims were just propaganda, he was publicly rejected, and the Qur’an he supposedly tried to influence was already memorized and recited by many companions, making any changes impossible. The phrases he allegedly suggested show stylistic similarities, not authorship, and were only accepted after being confirmed by prophecy. Just because someone leaves the faith or feels bitter doesn’t mean they’ve uncovered a fabrication; without clear evidence of textual corruption, these claims are just that claims without proof.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 3:38am On Dec 15, 2025
honesttalk21:
Mr, that presentation tries to tackle several different issues all at once but really stretches itself too thin.

To start, Targums are interpretive translations rather than the Oral Torah itself or do you dispute this? They show how later Jewish communities understood the Hebrew text, often paraphrasing to steer clear of anthropomorphism. This is exactly why both Jewish and non-Jewish scholars view Targums as theological commentary instead of binding revelation. Nehemiah 8 talks about translation and explanation, not about establishing metaphysical doctrines regarding the Word as a separate entity.

Then, the Qur’anic phrase a Word from Him in reference to Jesus is functional, not ontological; it’s a creative command (Be), not a divine person. This interpretation is consistent throughout the Qur’an and fits well with Semitic idioms; trying to impose later Targumic theology onto it is a fundamental misunderstanding.

Furthermore, the scribal claims you mention (like ʿAbdullāh b. Saʿd, etc.) are widely recognized, debated, and explained in early Islamic texts themselves ironically demonstrating transparency rather than concealment. None of these claims led to an alternative Qur’an, nor did they change the received text, and the same sources also note their repentance or political motivations.

Recognizing patterns requires corroborated outcomes, not just isolated anecdotes preserved by both opponents and supporters.

So, just because there’s disagreement it doesn’t mean there’s forgery. Every major prophetic tradition including those of Moses and Jesus has faced accusations of fabrication from their contemporaries. History assesses texts based on their transmission, consistency, and impact, not merely on the existence of critics.

Strong claims need clear distinctions. When we properly separate interpretation, translation, polemic, and history, the argument loses its strength.
Guy u stubborn gan o

Anyway I don try, make I rest. We continue another day.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 10:47am On Dec 15, 2025
SIRTee15:
Now to the bible, I have read the old testament and I'm convinced it clearly states the messiah will die for the sins of mankind. Its just too obvious.
I will never place my faith on a belief that has no backing from previous revelation.

If a suffering messiah isn't announced in the old testament, I will never believe it.


I won't allow u run away from the truth. Paul didn't write any book in the old testament. Genesis was written by Moses.

1. IT WAS REVEALED TO MOSES THAT REDEMPTION FOR HUMANITY WILL COME VIA THE MESSIAH.

Targum Neofiti Genesis 3:
15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your sons and her sons. And it will come about that when her sons observe the Law and do the commandments they will aim at you and smite you on your head and kill you. But when they forsake the commandments of the Law you will aim and bite him on his heel and make him ill. For her sons, however, there will be a remedy, but for you, O serpent, there will not be a remedy, since they are to make appeasement in the end, in the day of King Messiah.


Moses told the Israelites Redemption WILL ONLY COME THRU THE MESSIAH. THE JEWS WROTE THIS IN THEIR OWN BOOK NOT CHRISTIANS.

2. AND THEN ISAIAH PROPHESIED THAT THE MESSIAH WILL TAKE THE SINS OF THE WHOLE MANKIND.

Hebrew text- Isaiah 53.12
Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.


Targum Jonathan. Isaiah 53.12
“The Messiah shall pray for our sins, and our iniquities shall be forgiven for his sake.”

ONCE AGAIN, THE JEWS NOT CHRISTIANS; ANCIENT JEWS, NOT PAUL INTERPRETED ISAIAH 53 TO BE ABOUT THE MESSIAH.
THE MESSIAH SHALL BEAR OUR INIQUITIES.

3. PROPHET DANIEL ACCURATELY PREDICTED THAT THE MESSIAH WILL BE KILLED FOR TRANSGRESSION OF THE PEOPLE AND WHEN IT WILL HAPPEN.

Daniel 9
24 “Seventy ‘sevens’ (490 years) are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until The Messiah the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens (49years),’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ (434 years). It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ (434 years), Messiah will be put to death and will have nothing.


THIS WAS WRITTEN BY PROPHET DANIEL ANS NOT PAUL. He predicted within 490 years of his revelation, the Messiah will be killed in Jerusalem.

4. More, let's go to the book of Zechariah where the prophet PROPHESIED that the Messiah will be pierced and put to death.

Zechariah 12.10
Hebrew text-
10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Targum Jonathan. Zechariah 12.10
“They shall look toward me because they have pierced the suffering Messiah, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only son.”

THIS WAS WRITTEN BY JEWS NOT PAUL, JEWS WROTE IN THEIR OWN BOOK THAT THE MESSIAH WILL BE PIERCED AND THE PEOPLE SHALL MOURN.

Doffman, this is the old testament NOTHING FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Now guess which MESSIAH was killed, pierced and said he came to die for the sins of mankind. cool cool cool cool

I don't understand why u keep bringing up verses that says parents won't die for sins committed by children and vice versa.
I already told u no parent said he came to the world to die for crimes committed by children and vice versa.
Everybody would be punished for their own offense.

Stop sounding like a crack cd. Read the historical context to those verse and enlighten yourself.
In ancient civilizations, it's common to punish the parent or children for crimes committed by their relatives.
God annulled that in the law given to Israelites and warn them to only punish the offender and not the innocent.

Deut 24
16 u“Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.


Ezekiel didn't literally carry the sin of the israel, not even for one day. It's a prophetic symbolic action. It's a typology showing that YES, the sins of the people can be borne on another person.

U keep asking me who carried the sins of those before Jesus when I already answered u with scriptural backing.
I will answer it again FOR THE LAST TIME.

THE ANSWER IS JESUS and it's in the scripture.

Romans 3:25–26
“God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished —he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.”



Hebrews 9:15
“For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance— now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

There u have it...keep sounding like crack CD, I will simply ignore u.

Doffman, I'm trying to help u. Leave that false religion. ISLAM HAS NO IDEA WHO THR MESSIAH IS, IT SIMPLY ASSUMED MESSIAH IS THE OTHER NAME OF JESUS.
That's why the Quran said the angel told Mary to name his son Jesus the messiah.

˹Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word1 from Him, his name will be the Messiah,2 Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.

If u understand historical Jewish culture, u will know if Mary dares give her son 'The Messiah' on the naming day, she will be stone to death for blasphemy.


Doffman, research who the messiah is. What he's meant to accomplish according to the old testament. Forget about the new testament
Research messianic verses in the OLD TESTAMENT as written by ancient Jews. Read about the verses the ancient Jews termed messianic verses- this was b4 even Jesus was born.
Trust me, u will leave Islam.

This is one of them...

Targum Jonathan
Isaiah 9.6
“For to us a son is born, and a child is given to us, and the dominion shall rest upon his shoulder; and his name shall be called the Messiah, the Prince, the Ruler, the Mighty, the Counselor, the Everlasting God of Israel, the Prince of Peace.”


ANCIENT JEWS BEFORE JESUS WHO GAVE US THE OLD TESTAMENT UNDERSTOOD THAT VERSE TO BE ABOUT THE MESSIAH.

PAUL DIDN'T WRITE ISAIAH OR TARGUM, NO CHRISTIAN DID.

doffman, run for your life from Islam. It's a false religion.
Muhammed was misled buy WARAQAH, don't be misled


Be like Muhammed's first cousin Ubaydullah who ran away from Islam when he saw the truth....

'We see clearly, but your eyes are only half open', i.e. 'We see, but you are only trying to see and cannot see yet.'
😀😀 Chai just see how you are exposing yourself with lies ahaa .

Where in old statement that claimed Jesus will Kpai for your sin ?

It is so glaring you are Paul follower , you just want to stylishly push your Pauline principle towards old statement which is a no go area ahaaa. You people don cast .

This is what Moses preached :

Deuteronomy 6:4
New International Version
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Moses never depend on Jesus 🩸 salvation ; same like previous prophets .

This is also what Jesus preached :
Mark 12:29-31
New International Version
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[b] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”

Jesus even told people categorically that there is no any commandment greater that that , but you Pauline people refuse nah ; you went for Paul 🩸 salvation . 🤣
He even instructed you people to worship God directly and no any 🩸 salvation: read Matthew 4:10 and Luke 4:cool : "Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only"

But you refuse nah , you follow Paul to worship Jesus . Shioor .


The odogwo of all prophets ( Muhammad -pbuh) even confirmed it in quran :

Quran 2:163

Your God is ˹only˺ One God. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him—the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful.


As you can see all of them preached the same thing .


Na your master Paul who ask you to follow new law 😀 read Heb 6:1

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God.

It is so glaring you are promoting Pauline religion not the religion of Jesus which is Islam . Argue with your left shoe nah ! 😀


And beside , You told me here Jesus never preached Christianity , then why are you lying again and preaching a non existed Christianity religion nah . No be juju be that . There is nothing you can say , you already finished yourself from the beginning . Sorry o .

You are promoting Pauline religion for sure .

In case you want to stop being a Paul follower ?

Oya repeat after me , I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 10:51am On Dec 15, 2025
Expanse2020:
My brother which one them can answer it
Don’t mind her . Only single question finished her up and her fellow Pauline people refused to help her o😀.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 10:55am On Dec 15, 2025
AntiisIam:
Bobo Sule
Even you personally know that you are agbako in agbako in religion ahaaa .

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 10:58am On Dec 15, 2025
AntiisIam:
Sufu,

Sebi you read those Bible verses she sent to you?
Help her send it nah and help her out if you fit 😀

Oya na , gbegesi :

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Expanse2020(m): 5:31pm On Dec 15, 2025
F
doffman:
Don’t mind her . Only single question finished her up and her fellow Pauline people refused to help her o😀.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 11:43pm On Dec 15, 2025
doffman:
Help her send it nah and help her out if you fit 😀

Oya na , gbegesi :

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?
Sule,

Boya k'olo gba igo is like oju ti dun e
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 11:46pm On Dec 15, 2025
doffman:
Even you personally know that you are agbako in agbako in religion ahaaa .
Sule oo

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 11:52pm On Dec 15, 2025
doffman:
My runaway student, 😀😀

Remember , I warned you that you did not qualify and now it has been proven ahaaa

Since you can’t answer the question , why can’t you tag any of your senior nah !


Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

🥷🗡️
Even your fellow people in Islam are scared to help you out!
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 11:54pm On Dec 15, 2025
Expanse2020:
Antslam
How are you the pagan guy
I said did you know the guy, instead to deal with the subject matter, you are quoting Anti-islam. Are you guys dis duunce and dennsee in Islam?
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 6:20am On Dec 16, 2025
doffman:
😀😀 Chai just see how you are exposing yourself with lies ahaa .

Where in old statement that claimed Jesus will Kpai for your sin ?

It is so glaring you are Paul follower , you just want to stylishly push your Pauline principle towards old statement which is a no go area ahaaa. You people don cast .

This is what Moses preached :

Deuteronomy 6:4
New International Version
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Moses never depend on Jesus 🩸 salvation ; same like previous prophets .

This is also what Jesus preached :
Mark 12:29-31
New International Version
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[b] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”

Jesus even told people categorically that there is no any commandment greater that that , but you Pauline people refuse nah ; you went for Paul 🩸 salvation . 🤣
He even instructed you people to worship God directly and no any 🩸 salvation: read Matthew 4:10 and Luke 4:cool : "Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only"

But you refuse nah , you follow Paul to worship Jesus . Shioor .


The odogwo of all prophets ( Muhammad -pbuh) even confirmed it in quran :

Quran 2:163

Your God is ˹only˺ One God. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him—the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful.


As you can see all of them preached the same thing .


Na your master Paul who ask you to follow new law 😀 read Heb 6:1

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God.

It is so glaring you are promoting Pauline religion not the religion of Jesus which is Islam . Argue with your left shoe nah ! 😀


And beside , You told me here Jesus never preached Christianity , then why are you lying again and preaching a non existed Christianity religion nah . No be juju be that . There is nothing you can say , you already finished yourself from the beginning . Sorry o .

You are promoting Pauline religion for sure .

In case you want to stop being a Paul follower ?

Oya repeat after me , I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God
It's now obvious shouting Paul Paul is the deflecting gimmick of Muslims when they do t have answers.just start shouting Paul Paul up and down.

My friend, deal with the verses I brought as evidence of a dying messiah in the old testament.
Paul didn't write any of the old testament books, so why are u still shouting Paul Paul when I brought evidence from old testament.

Sebi u were boasting u know the bible. The clown see power wey pass power, he mellow begin repeat his previous submission like parrot.

I go use old testament prophecy wound u. As I said ask me from previous Muslims here.
Respond to any of my old testament prophetic evidence if dem born u well.

We are trying to help him see the light, he's pushing his head in the ground shouting Paul.
Remove Paul letters from the bible, our testimony remain the same.

Follow Christ, that's all we tell u. If u like call your religion 'i have found the light', na u sabi.
Koko be say Follow the true Messiah.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:36am On Dec 16, 2025
SIRTee15:
It's now obvious shouting Paul Paul is the deflecting gimmick of Muslims when they do t have answers.just start shouting Paul Paul up and down.

My friend, deal with the verses I brought as evidence of a dying messiah in the old testament.
Paul didn't write any of the old testament books, so why are u still shouting Paul Paul when I brought evidence from old testament.


Sebi u were boasting u know the bible. The clown see power wey pass power, he mellow begin repeat his previous submission like parrot.

I go use old testament prophecy wound u. As I said ask me from previous Muslims here.
Respond to any of my old testament prophetic evidence if dem born u well.

We are trying to help him see the light, he's pushing his head in the ground shouting Paul.
Remove Paul letters from the bible, our testimony remain the same.

Follow Christ, that's all we tell u. If u like call your religion 'i have found the light', na u sabi.
Koko be say Follow the true Messiah.
😀😀😀😀😀😀 there is common thing about pagans enn , they brag a lot and they know nothing.

Just see this mere Paul follower that were tutored here and had his messiah called Paul being exposed .

After he was tutored , he quickly shift focus from Paul and shift to Jesus and later back to Moses ahaaa.

Up till now he has never showed a single verse that superceded the highest verse of commandment quoted by Jesus 😀. He was busy quoting lies upon lies and lies . He is busy romancing new law founded by his leader in Christianity religion which is strange to all prophets 😀


Same pagan that claimed Jesus never preached any Christianity; and up till now he is bragging and preaching Pauline Christianity ; no be juju be that .

I repeat , I know bible then you and your pastor in combine ; so glaring .

I gave you a blow so tey you even afraid to admit your god in public again ahaa.

I will continue to talk about Paul because I know it is your religion founder and ceo nah .


Oya , open your bible and go to : Roman 7: 14:15

14 So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin. 15 I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate.


This is your master that lost his way and perish in sins hoping Jesus 🩸 will safe him ; this is same principle of his followers .


I repeat , you will kpai in your own sin and you will account for your sin alone because nobody joined you when you are rejecting the true God and sinning against God ; na you decided to be Paul follower nah .


You have met a pagan burster that strip you naked ahaaa

🥷🗡️


Preaching …..

Quran 9:3

A declaration from Allah and His Messenger ˹is made˺ to all people on the day of the greater pilgrimage1 that Allah and His Messenger are free of the polytheists. So if you ˹pagans˺ repent, it will be better for you. But if you turn away, then know that you will have no escape from Allah. And give good news ˹O Prophet˺ to the disbelievers of a painful punishment.


From the above verse , choice is yours .

Hell 🔥 is real .


In case you want to stop being a Paul follower ?

Oya repeat after me , I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:39am On Dec 16, 2025
AntiisIam:
Sule,

Boya k'olo gba igo is like oju ti dun e
😀 you know what , as you know nothing , why not copy the question out and send it to your pastor to help you out , afterall, you paid him tithes every month nah . Let your tithe work for you .

Oya copy and send to him or her 😀😀

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:48am On Dec 16, 2025
IslamVIRGINS:
I said did you know the guy, instead to deal with the subject matter, you are quoting Anti-islam. Are you guys dis duunce and dennsee in Islam?
IslamVIRGINS:
Even your fellow people in Islam are scared to help you out!
My student 😀😀😀. Which run away tactics is that nah .

See me here nah . You don cast !


Oya answer the only question you are running away feim 😀

As I already answered your questions , Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

You think I will forget ; never !


Preaching …

A runaway Paulinah want to deviate and run away from bone of contention .


So you want to follow Paul to destination of no return 🤷🏼‍♂️. Na your choice o .


Incase you want to repent, you can do it asap .


Oya repeat after me , I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God
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