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MaxInDHouse:
See atheist IQ!🙂

So builders of the tower of babel were thinking of going to meet God.

You people just fabricate things in your head and concludes you know it all.

For your information builders of that tower weren't thinking of going to meet God in the sky rather they were scared of another deluge that may occur since they don't want to obey God so they feel He could do the same thing again and to be on a safer side they decided to build a city that will be taller than all the mountains!🙂

they build it to reach heaven, if not for science, we will be thinking there is heaven up in the sky.

thinkmoney:
..The Bible when studied very well, while blocking out man made traditions, does not teach a fire that burns dinner forever. What the Bible teaches is total destruction of sinners- a death without the prospect of everlasting life. The soul that sinneth shall die.
What I thought is that you will fault my argument on Gehenna, Sheol and Hades. I even asked if it’s possible for righteous men to go to hell. You didn’t respond to those things, you have only been accusing me of somethings I don’t even understand.
*plus, all through the Old Testament you will never see any prophets tell sinners or a sining nation that they will burn in hell if they kept on sinning. Even you won’t find among the apostles. What they all said was total destruction as consequence of sin. Jesus symbolized this by using Gehenna

All these are a departure from the issue for you argued giving the impression that God cannot and would not burn people that it is "repulsive" to Him. And that is why I pointed out that Sodom and Gomorrah's people were burnt by fire contrary to your point.

And in this present reply, you did not counter it. So that means this is settled and you can see that burning and fire with a fire that burns forever is in the equation where you were trying to deny that it was not and that there is no such fire even when the bible expressly said so.

And since it is known that people start repenting in fear when dying starts, (body go tell you things) then there is no need for the prophets to preach, as even today no one preached it, if not that a cunning question was deviced around it

So, it is clear you are wrong.

And as you can see you have moved the argument to "Total destruction of sinners" which is another issue.

richmond500:
Yes, it is wrong to bomb the entire continent just because there are bandits in Sokoto

Don't stretch it out of context, that also is not right for I clearly said "bandits and kidnappers camp".

So, on the bombing of the camp, do you say that it is Wrong?

And, also, note that you did supply the answer to the 2nd question on your cheating wife's child belonging to another man.

vdestro:
Abegi, no dey change the matter. The matter be say make you off your switch. No dey here dey type. Do the needful and get off, if not getat.

You said your vseless God on me,i said i didn't ask him to on me in the first place and he should off me,if he's capable of doing that.how is that too hard for him to do?

thinkmoney:
Yes

Ok now quote where it was stayed in the bible

AZControversial:
He doesn't want to.
But if you can't wait, you know how to 'uncreate' yourself....
That shouldn't be difficult....There are many who have tried....

I don't think you and your God are so wise, you said he created me without my consent,and i dare him to uncreate me since he's so stupid to create me without my consent

AZControversial:

Says the man who jumps between God forcefully creating him and saying He's powerless....

It was fun addressing your messed-up state of mind....

You were the one that said he was so powerful to create me (though without my consent,but so powerless to uncreated me?

Dtruthspeaker:
An examiner knows the outcome of an exam but did that affect the freewill of the students writing the exam?
No

So, freewiil is freewill whether God knows the outcome or not

And why should God give free will to humans when humans didn't ask for it?

And why should God create humans innd beginning when humans didn't ask to be created by the so Called God in the beginning?

Shimran:
Welcome aboard Mr knowledgeable of religious. You can help the guy discuss hell fire. I can say i know basics knowledge of my religion.

Hell means Grave but Hellfire was what the churches fabricated to threaten people so they can come to church back then.

Dtruthspeaker:
Don't stretch it out of context, that also is not right for I clearly said "bandits and kidnappers camp".

So, on the bombing of the camp, do you say that it is Wrong?

And, also, note that you did supply the answer to the 2nd question on your cheating wife's child belonging to another man.

I answered exactly what God did, he didn't just kill pharoah, he killed Israelites, he didn't just punish those that killed Jesus, he punished the world.
So it's bad to bomb the continent just cos of bandits in sokoto.

Also, I will deal with my wife and divorce her but not kill the innocent child or lay curses on the child, for the child is completely innocent and is just a victim of circumstance

richmond500:
they build it to reach heaven, if not for science, we will be thinking there is heaven up in the sky.

You atheists love deceiving yourselves.

Science has been there all along people only kept improving in knowledge not that you people discovered science o!

And as for the tower of babel the Bible says they were scared of scattering over the surface of the earth that's why they decided to build the city that's as high as heaven.

“Come! Let us build a city for ourselves and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a celebrated name for ourselves, so that we will not be scattered over the entire face of the earth.” Genesis 11:4

So what was their fears?
They thought being together in a place will help them to build one city that's fit enough to stand in the face of another deluge that's why they used bricks instead of stone, and bitumen as mortar to prevent their city from weakening by water. Genesis 11:3

If you don't believe the book please don't misquote it leave it exactly as it is written!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
It's misinformed churchgoers that's your problem otherwise what the Bible teaches is easy to grasp for any right thinking person.

Since you prefer not to exist there is no need worrying yourself the verdict came from your own mouth but those that cherish life will surely get it and they will live forever! Psalms 37:29; John 3:16

God has no business with people who chose death He has given you a taste of what it feels to be alive though you won't kill yourself now but be rest assured that this is your own share when millions will get this, enjoy it with you and still get a firm hold on the real life which is everlasting! 1Timothy 6:19

I repeat That God that created humans and gave them free Will should have firmly existed alone and all by himself.

U are here quoting bullshit.

MaxInDHouse:
Hell means Grave but Hellfire was what the churches fabricated to threaten people so they can come to church back then.

Wow, new revelations to me! That is as par Church and Christianity.

In Islam, grave is a separate thing. Hell is another thing entirely.

Truthseeker10:
So you can't talk about hell fire with a non religious person?

A non religious person fits into my description above.

Chidolalar:
I repeat That God that created humans and gave them free Will should have firmly existed alone and all by himself.
U are here quoting bullshit.

Most parents have disagree with you on that point so if you choose not to have children it's OK no one will force you!🙂

Shimran:
Wow, new revelations to me! That is as par Church and Christianity.
In Islam, grave is a separate thing. Hell is another thing entirely.

Islam came through Muhammad who lied to his people after hearing so much from the Catholic Church about one God so it's everything the Catholic teaches back then that Muhammad taught his gullible followers except for one thing.

Jesus is not God or God's Son because that will jeopardize his effort to make himself the most important prophet as he claimed.

I guess he likes the scent of burnt suya so much that he cannot survive without it.

GodPunishOsu:
You said your vseless God on me,i said i didn't ask him to on me in the first place and he should off me,if he's capable of doing that.how is that too hard for him to do?

If e hard am, e hard you? Do it jo, stop talking and spare us of this mess called you

Chidolalar:
Ok now quote where it was stayed in the bible

What I told you is that the Bible never said their is a hell that burns sinner forever.
Here is what the Bible said plainly. “The soul that sineth shall die”. Ezekiel 18:20
The wages of sin is death (not burning in some hell fire). Romans 6:23.

Williendiana:
I guess he likes the scent of burnt suya so much that he cannot survive without it.

And yet He survived all this while without roasting you lots.

You guys deserve the hottest hottest of them all and that you shall get.

Dtruthspeaker:
All these are a departure from the issue for you argued giving the impression that God cannot and would not burn people that it is "repulsive" to Him. And that is why I pointed out that Sodom and Gomorrah's people were burnt by fire contrary to your point.

And in this present reply, you did not counter it. So that means this is settled and you can see that burning and fire with a fire that burns forever is in the equation where you were trying to deny that it was not and that there is no such fire even when the bible expressly said so.

And since it is known that people start repenting in fear when dying starts, (body go tell you things) then there is no need for the prophets to preach, as even today no one preached it, if not that a cunning question was deviced around it

So, it is clear you are wrong.

And as you can see you have moved the argument to "Total destruction of sinners" which is another issue.

Kai nawa oh
You use English to muddle up things. You just go round and round

The Bible doesn’t teach an hell where people burn after death. It only says the wages of sin is death. Understanding of the Bible shows sinners forfeit chance to enjoy everlasting life. That’s what I mean by total destruction. Come on na

God is just and he can’t burn people FOREVER FOR A SIN THEY USED 100 years (at most) to commit.

You just dey use English confuse yourself and everybody

richmond500:
I answered exactly what God did, he didn't just kill pharoah, he killed Israelites, he didn't just punish those that killed Jesus, he punished the world.
So it's bad to bomb the continent just cos of bandits in sokoto.

Also, I will deal with my wife and divorce her but not kill the innocent child or lay curses on the child, for the child is completely innocent and is just a victim of circumstance

If you answer within context then we can address our different issues. But it is untidy that you join your contention with my attempt to freely answer your contention as best as I can.

So please, keep your issue and let's settle mine first, since I am trying to present my case on the dispute. For I must be free to conduct my case the way I want it, then you can do yours, which you have already hence why I am responding and fairness also dictates that I should get the freedom you enjoyed.

After that we would examine your own issue to see if it aligns. So don't align it now.

So please, within context answer the questions when you heard that bombs were dropped on bandits and kidnappers camp, did you think it was wrong?

And if your wife cheated on you and got pregnant for the other guy, did you drive away your wife but kept the innocent child?

GodPunishOsu:
I don't think you and your God are so wise, you said he created me without my consent,and i dare him to uncreate me since he's so stupid to create me without my consent

You resolve to insults because clearly, you have no points to make.
You're frustrated because you've been trapped in your own folly.
Your first comment to me was asking if you forced God to create you.
All I did was ask you to just uncreate yourself and since then, you've been making silly utterances because you've been trapped by your own words.
As it stands, the more your insults, the less sensible you'll sound.

vdestro:
So because of the use of symbolize and signify/signs which is used to indicate and point to something now means Allegory to you when it does not suit you right?

You are the mischievous one here and no matter how many times you ask me to humble, meaning make I no talk again I will tell you the truth you don't want to hear which is what do they all indicate/point to (signs) is that people including you are going to be permanent residents of the Lake of Fire.

So you can allegorize all you want, it would not change a thing!

You don use another big English “mischievous”.
People that want to be foolish will be foolish regardless of how much you try to show them logic. And conviction and beliefs that have been imbibed overtime is hard to let go. It’s like an abusive relationship, sometimes you die inside.

You said I invented the allegorical and I have showed you were the first verse of that revelation, the introductory verse said explicitly the things are shown in signs or symbols. Isn’t symbols another term for allegory and mentaphor? Instead of you to behave in a smart way and say things like “oh, that’s why even death was said to be thrown into the lake of fire. I get now , sorrry”, you are there cracking jokes wey no funny.

I have shown you one Bible verse to support my argument you in the other hand are just playing around and sticking with the tradition of men you have grown with. SMH

thinkmoney:
Kai nawa oh
You use English to muddle up things. You just go round and round

The Bible doesn’t teach an hell where people burn after death. It only says the wages of sin is death. Understanding of the Bible shows sinners forfeit chance to enjoy everlasting life. That’s what I mean by total destruction. Come on na

God is just and he can’t burn people FOREVER FOR A SIN THEY USED 100 years (at most) to commit.

You just dey use English confuse yourself and everybody

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If the Abrahamic God is just as you claim, why would he visit the sins of one person upon another.

Why would he inflict suffering on his faithful servant just to win a wager with Lucifer.

Why would he commission genocide to the extent of instructing the murder of women, children and even cattle.

Why would he blame his creations for being created the way he created them.

Shimran:
A non religious person fits into my description above.

Oga you were not just referring to a random non religious person.

Below is your statement

You're still battling the fact that a supernatural, all power, all knowing, all wise, a Creator and all mighty God is Fairy tales, that the world is as a results of big bang theory and that we exist from nowhere.


Do you have proof for the statement above that you made about me.

DeepSight:
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If the Abrahamic God is just as you claim, why would he visit the sins of one person upon another.

Why would he inflict suffering on his faithful servant just to win a wager with Lucifer.

Why would he commission genocide to the extent of instructing the murder of women, children and even cattle.

Why would he blame his creations for being created the way he created them.

Whatever suffering he allows his a test which he has shown he can pay for a million times over. Job was rewarded. His dead children will enjoy everlasting life at the end of time.

Those civilization God allowed to be destroyed have been shown even by secular researchers to be really wicked and evil. They engage in child and human sacrifices. Prey on others.

Some people even said God should have destroyed them earlier. Whichever small child got killed will be rewarded with another chance at life-a good life- in the end of time.

DeepSight:
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If the Abrahamic God is just as you claim, why would he visit the sins of one person upon another.

Why would he inflict suffering on his faithful servant just to win a wager with Lucifer.

Why would he commission genocide to the extent of instructing the murder of women, children and even cattle.

Why would he blame his creations for being created the way he created them.

Can you point out where the Abrahamaic God did all of these?

thinkmoney:
The Bible doesn’t teach an hell where people burn after death.

That is your position. But you are forgetting that the argument is not about whether the bible taught it or not. But, whether the bible said so.

And it did. Shikena.

And if I want to make it more difficult, I would add that the bible only stated "cast in the fire". It did not say "burn".

So, you still have a problem here.

All the other things you said are off point. Let's concentrate on the issue

Dtruthspeaker:
That is your position. But you are forgetting that the argument is not about whether the bible taught it or not. But, whether the bible said so.

And it did. Shikena.

And if I want to make it more difficult, I would add that the bible only stated "cast in the fire". It did not say "burn".

So, you still have a problem here.

All the other things you said are off point. Let's concentrate on the issue

So death and hell fire were also burned in the lake of fire?

thinkmoney:
Whatever suffering he allows his a test which he has shown he can pay for a million times over. Job was rewarded. His dead children will enjoy everlasting life at the end of time.

Those civilization God allowed to be destroyed have been shown even by secular researchers to be really wicked and evil. They engage in child and human sacrifices. Prey on others.

Some people even said God should have destroyed them earlier. Whichever small child got killed will be rewarded with another chance at life-a good life- in the end of time.

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This does not wash. A human life is not a piece of money or a random chattel you can replace with another after playing with. Each death comes with grief and tragedy that can never be wished away by having other children in future. Only a demonic sadist does that for a game.

Secondly it is not true that all of those civilizations were barbaric child killers. That was a slur flung at best on the Philistines of North Africa and one or two others. Tell me, what was the sin of the people of Jericho for example. And were the Amalekites practicing such?

It is evil and nonsensical to say that whatever small child got killed will be rewarded with eternal life.

Truthseeker10:
So death and hell fire were also burned in the lake of fire?

The Bible Said "cast in the fire". But me I would be free to say burn.
But again for precision, the bible did not say "burn", it only said "cast in the fire"