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Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 7:44am On Jul 02, 2017
1 Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Freethought(m): 7:49am On Jul 02, 2017
Funny!
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by torres89: 7:50am On Jul 02, 2017
that's a Jewish law
if u read on the Jews u will get a clearer view on the Bible
sadly wat we practice here is Judaism not christainity

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by saintmark88(m): 7:58am On Jul 02, 2017
torres89:
that's a Jewish law

if u read on the Jews u will get a clearer view on the Bible

sadly wat we practice here is Judaism not christainity

Show me where Paul says it applies only to the Jews...the pple he addressed aren't they christains??

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 7:59am On Jul 02, 2017
saintmark88:


Show me where Paul says it applies only to the Jews...the pple he addressed aren't they christains??


my thought too. tnk u sir.
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 8:04am On Jul 02, 2017
pls mod help us to bring nairaland pastors here
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by torres89: 8:05am On Jul 02, 2017
saintmark88:


Show me where Paul says it applies only to the Jews...the pple he addressed aren't they christains??

here we go again...


my people die because of lack of knowledge...

I just told u to read up something and u there challenging nonsense

oya go and Chase all the female pastors out of their Church na

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 8:07am On Jul 02, 2017
torres89:


here we go again...


my people die because of lack of knowledge...

I just told u to read up something and u there challenging nonsense

oya go and Chase all the female pastors out of their Church na


don't take it personal. there lot of things Christians practice nw that are not biblical.

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by torres89: 8:12am On Jul 02, 2017
lonikit:



don't take it personal. there lot of things Christians practice nw that are not biblical.

first u need to understand the definition of christainity...

which is followers of Christ

most of the practice in the Bible were cultural practice of the Jews most especially in the old testament.

in a nut shell if you are doing anything that Jesus Christ didn't say in the new testament

my brother u ain't a Christian

no prejudice

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 8:14am On Jul 02, 2017
torres89:


first u need to understand the definition of christainity...

which is followers of Christ

most of the practice in the Bible were cultural practice of the Jews most especially in the old testament.

in a nut shell if you are doing anything that Jesus Christ didn't say in the new testament

my brother u ain't a Christian

no prejudice


y did Jesus say he came to fulfil the law then. were the laws not those of the jews

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 8:22am On Jul 02, 2017
do dey preach only the new testament in ur church??

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by torres89: 8:26am On Jul 02, 2017
lonikit:



y did Jesus say he came to fulfil the law then. were the laws not those of the jews

he came to fulfill the words of the prophets...

Isaiah preached the coming of our about a many many years before he was born​

the coming of Jesus just tells us God always keep to his words...

if Jesus Christ didn't abolish Jewish laws he won't have been killed...

so he actually came to change the law of the jews

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by torres89: 8:30am On Jul 02, 2017
lonikit:
do dey preach only the new testament in ur church??

yes

we preach a modified version of the old testament

we don't involve our selves in most of the practices in the old testament

and we preach all our gospels​ from the new testament
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 8:33am On Jul 02, 2017
torres89:


he came to fulfill the words of the prophets...

Isaiah preached the coming of our about a many many years before he was born​

the coming of Jesus just tells us God always keep to his words...

if Jesus Christ didn't abolish Jewish laws he won't have been killed...

so he actually came to change the law of the jews


my bro don't misinterprete the bible. let me show u dis:

Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 8:37am On Jul 02, 2017
torres89:

yes
we preach a modified version of the old testament
we don't involve our selves in most of the practices in the old testament
and we preach all our gospels​ from the new testament

do they pay tithe in ur church? if yes, did Jesus command that ?

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by torres89: 8:40am On Jul 02, 2017
lonikit:



my bro don't misinterprete the bible. let me show u dis:

Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


keywords to fulfill wat exactly

and which law is he speaking of

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by torres89: 8:43am On Jul 02, 2017
lonikit:



do they pay tithe in ur church? if yes, did Jesus command that ?

it's not compulsory to pay tithe in our church just as it was stated in Canon law

though many of our members don't know this

and it's not even called tithe sef

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 8:47am On Jul 02, 2017
torres89:


it's not compulsory to pay tithe in our church just as it was stated in Canon law

though many of our members don't know this

and it's not even called tithe sef

its not compulsory but they pay?? if yes, then it contradict ur position on the teaching of Christ that u claim to follow wholly. Jesus never preached tithe

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 8:48am On Jul 02, 2017
torres89:

keywords to fulfill wat exactly
and which law is he speaking of
he was talking abt the law of the prophets
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by CandidSeeker(m): 10:25am On Jul 02, 2017
lonikit:



my bro don't misinterprete the bible. let me show u dis:

Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


WHEN HE SAID ONE JOT OR ONE TITLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED... HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THINGS WRITTEN CONCERNING HIM!

… And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself… … And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. - Luke 24:27 & 44


HE SAID, THINK NOT THAT I COME TO DESTROY THE LAW......(POSSIBLY) BECAUSE THEY TRIED TO ARREST HIM BEFORE: -My Humble Opinion.

Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand, And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode. -Jn.10:39-40

Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his hour was not yet come. – Jn.7:30

…So there was a division among the people because of him. And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him. Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him? The officers answered, Never man spake like this man. - John.7:43-46

Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. -Matt.16:’20’


When you read further through Matthew Chapter 5 that you quoted, you will see where he told them to start doing exactly opposite what their Jewish laws and ordinances stated:

...You've been told to swear, but you must not swear at all!-Matt.5:33-38
...You've been told to revenge, but now you have to be nice to everyone, including your enemies! - Matt.5:38-48

Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. - John 7:22

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. Matt.19:8



You Worship In Vain, If Your Focus Is On Denominational Doctrines Based Only On Jewish Traditions And Other Commandments of Men!

……This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. –Matt.15:8-9


HE GAVE A NEW COMMANDMENT, BASED ON HIS TWO SUMMARY OF THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT!

...A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another -John 13:34

...But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

-Matt.22:34-40

-Peace.

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 10:52am On Jul 02, 2017
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WHEN HE SAID ONE JOT OR ONE TITLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED... HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THINGS WRITTEN CONCERNING HIM!

… And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself… … And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. - Luke 24:27 & 44


HE SAID, THINK NOT THAT I COME TO DESTROY THE LAW...... BECAUSE THEY TRIED TO ARREST HIM BEFORE:

Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand, And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode. -Jn.10:39-40

Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his hour was not yet come. – Jn.7:30

…So there was a division among the people because of him. And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him. Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him? The officers answered, Never man spake like this man. - John.7:43-46

Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. -Matt.16:’20’


When you read further through Matthew Chapter 5 that you quoted, you will see where he told them to start doing exactly opposite what their Jewish laws and ordinances stated:

...You've been told to swear, but you must not swear at all!-Matt.5:33-38
...You've been told to revenge, but now you have to be nice to everyone, including your enemies! - Matt.5:38-48

Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. - John 7:22

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. Matt.19:8



You Worship In Vain, If Your Focus Is On Denominational Doctrines Based Only On Jewish Traditions And Other Commandments of Men!

……This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. –Matt.15:8-9


HE GAVE A NEW COMMANDMENT, BASED ON HIS TWO SUMMARY OF THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT!

...A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another -John 13:34

...But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

-Matt.22:34-40

-Peace.
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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by saintmark88(m): 10:55am On Jul 02, 2017
torres89:


here we go again...


my people die because of lack of knowledge...

I just told u to read up something and u there challenging nonsense

oya go and Chase all the female pastors out of their Church na

That its the norm now doesn't make it right!!....we chose to rationalize what we dnt agree with....y dnt u say all the teachings in Corinthians are for Jews alone and not for Christians.

By the wat, how can a teaching in the Christian new testament bible be for Jews hu practice Judaism??...

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 10:56am On Jul 02, 2017
CandidSeeker:



WHEN HE SAID ONE JOT OR ONE TITLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED... HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THINGS WRITTEN CONCERNING HIM!

… And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself… … And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. - Luke 24:27 & 44


HE SAID, THINK NOT THAT I COME TO DESTROY THE LAW...... BECAUSE THEY TRIED TO ARREST HIM BEFORE:

Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand, And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode. -Jn.10:39-40

Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his hour was not yet come. – Jn.7:30

…So there was a division among the people because of him. And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him. Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him? The officers answered, Never man spake like this man. - John.7:43-46

Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. -Matt.16:’20’


When you read further through Matthew Chapter 5 that you quoted, you will see where he told them to start doing exactly opposite what their Jewish laws and ordinances stated:

...You've been told to swear, but you must not swear at all!-Matt.5:33-38
...You've been told to revenge, but now you have to be nice to everyone, including your enemies! - Matt.5:38-48

Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. - John 7:22

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. Matt.19:8



You Worship In Vain, If Your Focus Is On Denominational Doctrines Based Only On Jewish Traditions And Other Commandments of Men!

……This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. –Matt.15:8-9


HE GAVE A NEW COMMANDMENT, BASED ON HIS TWO SUMMARY OF THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT!

...A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another -John 13:34

...But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

-Matt.22:34-40

-Peace.

wht is ur take on the topic, do u support Torres position
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 10:59am On Jul 02, 2017
saintmark88:


That its the norm now doesn't make it right!!....we chose to rationalize what we dnt agree with....y dnt u say all the teachings in Corinthians are for Jews alone and not for Christians.

By the wat, how can a teaching in the Christian new testament bible be for Jews hu practice Judaism??...



if he claim that his church teaches only the new testament, then, there should be issue of tithe bcus Jesus never asked anyone to do so.

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Abfinest007(m): 11:00am On Jul 02, 2017
they will not agree to it
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by helphelp: 11:00am On Jul 02, 2017
No women voices dey jase for church ooo
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by solid3(m): 11:01am On Jul 02, 2017
I think the Bible is asking women not to mourmor in church but rather ask their husbands when the get home about anything they are not clear about. That's what Pastor Chris said.

Do not take Bible verses out of context, a verse may not be self explanatory except when read with the understanding of the proceeding verses.

Selah!

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by grandstar(m): 11:01am On Jul 02, 2017
You are 110% correct. Churches nowadays twist the bible to satisfy their own beliefs ( Read 2 Peter 3:16).

It is pointless talking to these for their determined to hold fast to what is untrue to the end. (Read Matthew 24:24, 2 Timothy 4:1-4, 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)

Below may also interest you though I wrote it below fully understanding your question


2 Timothy 3:16-17 says ," All scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

It says "All Scriptures" and not just some to make a "A man of God to be fully competent"

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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by freemanbubble: 11:01am On Jul 02, 2017
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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Fundamentalist: 11:02am On Jul 02, 2017
torres89:


first u need to understand the definition of christainity...

which is followers of Christ

most of the practice in the Bible were cultural practice of the Jews most especially in the old testament.

in a nut shell if you are doing anything that Jesus Christ didn't say in the new testament

my brother u ain't a Christian

no prejudice

but jesus was a jew.

...........................

and he came to fulfil the scriptures
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 11:02am On Jul 02, 2017
Fundamentalist:

but jesus was a jew.
...........................
and he came to fulfil the scriptures
u are on point

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