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RightChanneI:
If your cerebellum is working perfectly, you will pick from the options given and stop this your fulishness!

Reread my earlier response to find you are answered.

RightChanneI:
Frustration has set in, it is now the time for you to be insulting your people at home. Why not pick from the options given?

What is the religion of allah your beloved versions are agitating on?

Show me Islam in you image attachment. You are laying pathetically false claims and that shows the nature of your heart.

honesttalk21:
Reread my earlier response to find you are answered.


Show me Islam in you image attachment. You are laying pathetically false claims and that shows the nature of your heart.

You are avoiding answering question like others from your religion here on NL

What is the religion of your allah?

What is the religion supported by your allah, what is his favourite religion?

RightChanneI:
You are avoiding answering question like others from your religion here on NL

What is the religion of your allah?

What is the religion supported by your allah, what is his favourite religion?

Use your reading aids or what you like and see your mcq has been answered.

honesttalk21:
You are so very wrong. How many religions are there or were there in the world at the time this verse was revealed that you name just 3.

Your intentions to divert are faulty as always.
M.Pickthall is not naming a religion to be imposed so E unless you are leaning to an interpretation not translation clearly stated.

Wow!

Now get another translation exactly like Abdul Hye's as your bid to escape fails!

honesttalk21:
Use your reading aids or what you like and see your mcq has been answered.

. ISLAM ...NOTHING PEACEFUL ABOUT THIS RELIGION..

Akir2025:
. ISLAM ...NOTHING PEACEFUL ABOUT THIS RELIGION..

Hi Echo

honesttalk21:
Use your reading aids or what you like and see your mcq has been answered.

You can see how you're been disgraced and humiliated, how does this your write answered the question before you?


What is the religion of your allah?

Afterall you said Adam was the first Muslim on earth and to answer the favourite religion of allah is giving you headache!

honesttalk21:
Use your reading aids or what you like and see your mcq has been answered.

Don't ignore or look away please!

advanceDNA:
Let's go back to 8:39....and get what it said and what you said ??

...U should fight until u eliminate other religions and polytheism and everyone worships Allah?? Yes or No??

RightChanneI:
Don't ignore or look away please!

RightChanneI:
You can see how you're been disgraced and humiliated, how does this your write answered the question before you?


What is the religion of your allah?

Afterall you said Adam was the first Muslim on earth and to answer the favourite religion of allah is giving you headache!

When you see I responded, praise the Lord.
Point of note is in my discussions with you have I categorically stated that Adam is the first Muslim. In any case when you understand that your misunderstanding ends.

honesttalk21:
When you see I responded, praise the Lord.
Point of note is in my discussions with you have I categorically stated that Adam is the first Muslim. In any case when you understand that your misunderstanding ends.

All you have said didn't answer my question

What is the religion allah supported in quran?

Why you scared to answer this!

honesttalk21

You are no where to be seen and found, so sorry for that. It hit you hardly!

RightChanneI:
honesttalk21

You are no where to be seen and found, so sorry for that. It hit you hardly!

. He is Busy looking for one the Quran verses to support his Comments . Peace means different things when it comes to Islam .. Never seen Loved of Human Blood ,Killing ,Killing and Killing .

Akir2025:
. He is Busy looking for one the Quran verses to support his Comments . Peace means different things when it comes to Islam .. Never seen Loved of Human Blood ,Killing ,Killing and Killing .

Blind following or peer influence?
Maybe you can point out my answer to the one you follow on the mcq he asked me?

*Multiple choice question*

Akir2025:
. He is Busy looking for one the Quran verses to support his Comments . Peace means different things when it comes to Islam .. Never seen Loved of Human Blood ,Killing ,Killing and Killing .

honesttalk21

You see what you caused yourself

RightChanneI:
honesttalk21

You see what you caused yourself

Read my reply to your mcq question again.

The error in your misunderstanding of the Quran verse you hold on to has been sufficiently addressed but you insist on obstinance. Exact translation doesn't agree with the one you hold on to. Try to educate the thread OP.

honesttalk21:
What has varied throughout history are the translations and interpretations, which are inevitable when rendering any ancient text into modern languages.

oh so u can acknowledge interpretation carry yet u pple pretend and use it to call other pple's faith corrupted just to give your self validation.

honesttalk21:
Citing groups such as ISIS, al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, or Dan Fodio does not establish that Islamic doctrine commands violence. None of these organizations have produced a binding Qur’anic directive that mandates acts such as beheading civilians, burning captives, or enforcing conversion by force. Instead, they selectively quote scripture, disregard established boundaries, and override classical interpretations.

u ignore where I asked you...is Islam the only religion in the world...why is it only your pple doing selectively quote scripture, disregard established boundaries, and override classical interpretations to commit violence??
Is your religion not the one always boasting of being better than everybody else's, claiming it is non corrupted....,..why is it your pple that now have violent interpretation problems??

Which brings us back to the fact that you are just sweeping mass religious text-driven violence under the rug of abuse by few Muslims ..this violence are happening everywhere sir
Incase U don't know,.. Adolf Hitler was few and he caused on the greatest mass murder in history,.,....you caliphates after Mohamed are few yet they murdered pple trying to force Islam, taking Jerusalem by force ...u pretend like these so few pple don't matter, yet they have helped you spread Islam...

honesttalk21:
This constitutes a misuse of religious texts, not a revelation of new doctrine. Atrocities committed by individuals or groups in the name of a religion do not redefine that religion’s sacred texts

again, are u not the only religion in the world where ur community pple kill pple of the street, burn pple for being offended, form terror groups that behaved Christians on live TV .......in case u ddnt noticed, these islam-driven violence has been going gone since ur prophet, even in these modern times ..so what weak excuse are u giving??.

honesttalk21:
just as violence by Christians or secular actors does not alter the meaning of the Bible or Enlightenment principles.

u are getting desperate...mention any named Christian who killed pple on the street in the name of Jesus or David, or Moses,...mention two or three Christian groups today who misinterpreted Bible and beheaded several muslims or other non-christians on live TV??
Mention communities where Christians murder their neighbors, classmates and teachers for blasphemy.....it's absurd that u continue to pretend that these islamic-driven violence happens in every other religion around the world ,..

U know Buddha Chinese God, Krishna, an Indian God, Sango, Ogun etc....how many times did their members do what you pple do because they misinterpreted their religious text? Please site examples for example in the last 20 years

honesttalk21:
Regarding claims about marriage age, it is important to note that there has never been a single, uncontested historical account. Ibn Saʿd (around 784–845 CE) compiled early chronological reports in his work, Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, which were created within about 200 years of Muhammad pbuh's time. Interestingly, he doesn't mention 6 or 9 when it comes to Aʾisha;

so the way you pple want to reverse years of history is to say it was contested by scholars.,..this is a weak argument ...
Aisha herself mentioned it that she was six and marriage consummated at 9.... It was even recorded that she was still a little girl playing with toys ...but here ...u and you mainstream scholars what to hide dirty behaviour under "single uncontested account"
U can lie to yourself,....but Muslims all over the world marrying 9 year old and even Muslim nations approving it shows you are just manipulating accounts to present you prophet in a positive image..
Ur prophets lmmoral act is everywhere,..he even took the wife of his adopted son as if she's the only women left in the world..

honesttalk21:
instead, he focuses on significant life events, like her participation in the Battle of Uhud and the age difference with Asma. When historians piece together these dates, many suggest that she was likely in her mid-to-late teens at the time of her marriage.

keep deceiving yourself.,....your lies wont work here ...,..mid-to late teens don't play with toys in marriage... Mid to late things won't call herself 9 year old...

honesttalk21:
Scholars themselves debated the chronology, social norms, and reliability of various reports. Revisiting historical sources with improved scholarly methods is not an act of rewriting history; rather, it is a commitment to rigorous scholarship.

ur deceptive defence is now mentioning scholars debate? If u don't see how weak this is, then u are more desperate than I thought..
...if you Quran and Hadith are perfect as u present it why do u need these modern day scholar as greater evidence, ...as long as there is a ln ongoing debate...u use that as loophole to repaint history....this is lame

But like I said before ,..Islamic countries have blaphemy laws, laws that support marrying children.,...but u want to come here and pretend whole nations guided by sharia are wrong but it's your main stream scholars that are trying to change years of history that don't make your prophet look good are the truth... Lol....welldone


I'll give u further evidence of you scholars lies and proof that all these .modern interpretation are just desperate moves to repaint history and give validation to Islam..

.... ur scholars now go into the same bible they call corrupted and claim the holy Spirit is Ur prophet.,.....when it's convenient they chose which part is corrupted...when it's not the claim it's corrupted..lol...u pple are desperate.
.you so much need the bible to be false for your religion to be validated ...your religion appears not to have its own self-driven merit

honesttalk21:
The assertion that only Islam produces violent extremists is demonstrably false.

I have asked you earlier to produce Christian, Buddhist, Ogun worshippers forming terror group killing non-muslims... Show me evidence of other religions killing their neighbors for blasphemy, wearing underwear bomb to murder pple .,......hijacking planes to mass-kil innocent humans
You are a desperate and deceptive person sir and if I might add, a wicked one trying to paint the violence done by u bothers as a common thing happening in all religious groups today .....shame on your sir ..,...

advanceDNA:
oh so u can acknowledge interpretation carry yet u pple pretend and use it to call other pple's faith corrupted just to give your self validation.


u ignore where I asked you...is Islam the only religion in the world...why is it only your pple doing selectively quote scripture, disregard established boundaries, and override classical interpretations to commit violence??
Is your religion not the one always boasting of being better than everybody else's, claiming it is non corrupted....,..why is it your pple that now have violent interpretation problems??

Which brings us back to the fact that you are just sweeping mass religious text-driven violence under the rug of abuse by few Muslims ..this violence are happening everywhere sir
Incase U don't know,.. Adolf Hitler was few and he caused on the greatest mass murder in history,.,....you caliphates after Mohamed are few yet they murdered pple trying to force Islam, taking Jerusalem by force ...u pretend like these so few pple don't matter, yet they have helped you spread Islam...

again, are u not the only religion in the world where ur community pple kill pple of the street, burn pple for being offended, form terror groups that behaved Christians on live TV .......in case u ddnt noticed, these islam-driven violence has been going gone since ur prophet, even in these modern times ..so what weak excuse are u giving??.

u are getting desperate...mention any named Christian who killed pple on the street in the name of Jesus or David, or Moses,...mention two or three Christian groups today who misinterpreted Bible and beheaded several muslims or other non-christians on live TV??
Mention communities where Christians murder their neighbors, classmates and teachers for blasphemy.....it's absurd that u continue to pretend that these islamic-driven violence happens in every other religion around the world ,..

U know Buddha Chinese God, Krishna, an Indian God, Sango, Ogun etc....how many times did their members do what you pple do because they misinterpreted their religious text? Please site examples for example in the last 20 years

so the way you pple want to reverse years of history is to say it was contested by scholars.,..this is a weak argument ...
Aisha herself mentioned it that she was six and marriage consummated at 9.... It was even recorded that she was still a little girl playing with toys ...but here ...u and you mainstream scholars what to hide dirty behaviour under "single uncontested account"
U can lie to yourself,....but Muslims all over the world marrying 9 year old and even Muslim nations approving it shows you are just manipulating accounts to present you prophet in a positive image..
Ur prophets lmmoral act is everywhere,..he even took the wife of his adopted son as if she's the only women left in the world..

keep deceiving yourself.,....your lies wont work here ...,..mid-to late teens don't play with toys in marriage... Mid to late things won't call herself 9 year old...

ur deceptive defence is now mentioning scholars debate? If u don't see how weak this is, then u are more desperate than I thought..
...if you Quran and Hadith are perfect as u present it why do u need these modern day scholar as greater evidence, ...as long as there is a ln ongoing debate...u use that as loophole to repaint history....this is lame

But like I said before ,..Islamic countries have blaphemy laws, laws that support marrying children.,...but u want to come here and pretend whole nations guided by sharia are wrong but it's your main stream scholars that are trying to change years of history that don't make your prophet look good are the truth... Lol....welldone


I'll give u further evidence of you scholars lies and proof that all these .modern interpretation are just desperate moves to repaint history and give validation to Islam..

.... ur scholars now go into the same bible they call corrupted and claim the holy Spirit is Ur prophet.,.....when it's convenient they chose which part is corrupted...when it's not the claim it's corrupted..lol...u pple are desperate.
.you so much need the bible to be false for your religion to be validated ...your religion appears not to have its own self-driven merit

I have asked you earlier to produce Christian, Buddhist, Ogun worshippers forming terror group killing non-muslims... Show me evidence of other religions killing their neighbors for blasphemy, wearing underwear bomb to murder pple .,......hijacking planes to mass-kil innocent humans
You are a desperate and deceptive person sir and if I might add, a wicked one trying to paint the violence done by u bothers as a common thing happening in all religious groups today .....shame on your sir ..,...

You raise a valid point when you said, You admit interpretation exists, yet you still call other faiths corrupted just to validate yourselves. The truth is in Islam, we acknowledge that interpretation plays a role in understanding law and history. However, the belief that earlier scriptures have been altered isn’t just a modern excuse or an emotional response; it’s actually a core tenet of the Qur’an itself (2:79, 5:13). The Qur’an tells us that God sent earlier revelations, but some communities later changed or misunderstood them. This isn’t about hostility; it’s a theological stance, much like how every major faith asserts its own ultimate authority.

The Qur’an doesn’t dismiss previous prophets or revelations; instead, it affirms them and refers to itself as the final confirmation (5:48). So, Islam’s position is one of continuity rather than superiority through denial.

When it comes to violence, those who commit acts of murder, arson, or terror in the name of Islam aren’t truly interpreting scripture they’re going against it. The Qur’an explicitly forbids killing the innocent (5:32) and emphasizes mercy and justice. Extremists overlook centuries of Islamic scholarship that denounces vigilantism and mob justice.

As for discussions about early history or Aisha’s age, the academic debates reflect different historical methodologies rather than deceit. Islam’s teachings on compassion and consent are clear; any political or cultural abuses stem from human failures, not divine directives.

Islam doesn’t require other religions to be false in order to stand firm. It simply asserts that revelation reached its completion with the Qur’an, while still honoring the truths and prophets that came before.

Islam recognizes interpretation but sets its boundaries, condemns violence, and emphasizes continuity not insecurity. Labeling extremism as “Islamic” while ignoring the Qur’an’s moral teachings is a distortion, not a valid argument.

advanceDNA:
oh so u can acknowledge interpretation carry yet u pple pretend and use it to call other pple's faith corrupted just to give your self validation.


u ignore where I asked you...is Islam the only religion in the world...why is it only your pple doing selectively quote scripture, disregard established boundaries, and override classical interpretations to commit violence??
Is your religion not the one always boasting of being better than everybody else's, claiming it is non corrupted....,..why is it your pple that now have violent interpretation problems??

Which brings us back to the fact that you are just sweeping mass religious text-driven violence under the rug of abuse by few Muslims ..this violence are happening everywhere sir
Incase U don't know,.. Adolf Hitler was few and he caused on the greatest mass murder in history,.,....you caliphates after Mohamed are few yet they murdered pple trying to force Islam, taking Jerusalem by force ...u pretend like these so few pple don't matter, yet they have helped you spread Islam...

again, are u not the only religion in the world where ur community pple kill pple of the street, burn pple for being offended, form terror groups that behaved Christians on live TV .......in case u ddnt noticed, these islam-driven violence has been going gone since ur prophet, even in these modern times ..so what weak excuse are u giving??.

u are getting desperate...mention any named Christian who killed pple on the street in the name of Jesus or David, or Moses,...mention two or three Christian groups today who misinterpreted Bible and beheaded several muslims or other non-christians on live TV??
Mention communities where Christians murder their neighbors, classmates and teachers for blasphemy.....it's absurd that u continue to pretend that these islamic-driven violence happens in every other religion around the world ,..

U know Buddha Chinese God, Krishna, an Indian God, Sango, Ogun etc....how many times did their members do what you pple do because they misinterpreted their religious text? Please site examples for example in the last 20 years

so the way you pple want to reverse years of history is to say it was contested by scholars.,..this is a weak argument ...
Aisha herself mentioned it that she was six and marriage consummated at 9.... It was even recorded that she was still a little girl playing with toys ...but here ...u and you mainstream scholars what to hide dirty behaviour under "single uncontested account"
U can lie to yourself,....but Muslims all over the world marrying 9 year old and even Muslim nations approving it shows you are just manipulating accounts to present you prophet in a positive image..
Ur prophets lmmoral act is everywhere,..he even took the wife of his adopted son as if she's the only women left in the world..

keep deceiving yourself.,....your lies wont work here ...,..mid-to late teens don't play with toys in marriage... Mid to late things won't call herself 9 year old...

ur deceptive defence is now mentioning scholars debate? If u don't see how weak this is, then u are more desperate than I thought..
...if you Quran and Hadith are perfect as u present it why do u need these modern day scholar as greater evidence, ...as long as there is a ln ongoing debate...u use that as loophole to repaint history....this is lame

But like I said before ,..Islamic countries have blaphemy laws, laws that support marrying children.,...but u want to come here and pretend whole nations guided by sharia are wrong but it's your main stream scholars that are trying to change years of history that don't make your prophet look good are the truth... Lol....welldone


I'll give u further evidence of you scholars lies and proof that all these .modern interpretation are just desperate moves to repaint history and give validation to Islam..

.... ur scholars now go into the same bible they call corrupted and claim the holy Spirit is Ur prophet.,.....when it's convenient they chose which part is corrupted...when it's not the claim it's corrupted..lol...u pple are desperate.
.you so much need the bible to be false for your religion to be validated ...your religion appears not to have its own self-driven merit

I have asked you earlier to produce Christian, Buddhist, Ogun worshippers forming terror group killing non-muslims... Show me evidence of other religions killing their neighbors for blasphemy, wearing underwear bomb to murder pple .,......hijacking planes to mass-kil innocent humans
You are a desperate and deceptive person sir and if I might add, a wicked one trying to paint the violence done by u bothers as a common thing happening in all religious groups today .....shame on your sir ..,...

No one is claiming that every religion engages in violence in the same manner. The key takeaway here is that violence isn't exclusive to Islam, nor is it something that's dictated by the Qur’an. Acts like suicide bombings, hijackings, and the actions of terror groups are modern political strategies, not religious practices mandated by Islamic texts just as crusades, inquisitions, lynchings, and pogroms represented religious violence in their own historical contexts.

Other faiths have also resorted to violence over issues of blasphemy or religious purity: Christians have executed heretics and blasphemers for centuries. In Myanmar and Sri Lanka, Buddhist nationalist militias have brutally attacked Muslims. Hindu mobs have lynched individuals accused of blasphemy. Jewish extremists have also committed acts of violence driven by their beliefs.

Different times have their own methods. Just because bomb vests weren't around in earlier centuries doesn't mean that religiously justified violence was absent. In parts of West Africa, militant cult groups invoking Ogun and other traditional deities have committed killings and enforced violence under the guise of spiritual justification without implicating all traditional worshippers.

It's absolutely right to condemn terrorism. However, to suggest that it uniquely characterizes Islam while ignoring or downplaying similar actions by others is a form of selective outrage, not a genuine analysis.

honesttalk21:
No one is claiming that every religion engages in violence in the same manner.

but this is what you have been claiming since this conversation started weeks back...u pretend that Islamic jihadist kiling to force Islamic state in burkinafaso, chad, Somalia, Mozambique Nigeria, Niger, Togo, Kenya, just to mention a few are found in other religions misinterpreting there religious text as well....

honesttalk21:
The key takeaway here is that violence isn't exclusive to Islam,

but it is....if it's not show me which country is ravaged by killings of another religious group in the last 10years. Name terror group sir ransacking and killing pple forcing jizyya in community...

honesttalk21:
nor is it something that's dictated by the Qur’an

sadly it is....but u can continue to lie and use modern day scholars to claim new interpretation of ur Quran doesn't call for global takeover of non-muslims nations or community.....but sadly the modus operandi of religious practice proves u wrong because religious pple follow both what their prophet say and do....and ur prophet by history killed and displaced pple of other religions from their nation and installed sharia, Islamic state, imposed jizyya of them......which is what your muslims community are doing..

the evidence of these religion-driven violence is all over the world which u are denying and justify as normal things that happens everywhere or has happened before..

honesttalk21:
. Acts like suicide bombings, hijackings, and the actions of terror groups are modern political strategies, not religious practices

u lie sir,.....it is driven by the doctrine of a righteous Muslim or a martyr to have gains in heaven...and it's is clearly in your Quran and Hadith .... sura 56:35–38..

honesttalk21:
Other faiths have also resorted to violence over issues of blasphemy or religious purity
Christians have executed heretics .

u lie again ..here u go again, in a desperate move to make it appear that killings happen in other religions from misinterpreting religious ........

honesttalk21:
Different times have their own methods. Just because bomb vests weren't around in earlier centuries doesn't mean that religiously justified violence was absent.

here go again sir....ur desperation to justify and balance religious violence across board as a common thing doesn't even let you see how horrible this reads.

honesttalk21:
. In parts of West Africa, militant cult groups invoking Ogun and other traditional deities have committed killings and enforced violence under the guise of spiritual justification without implicating all traditional worshippers.
.

you are just getting more desperate and it's appalling to read...but it's not surprising.......i have discussed with Muslims who said the same thing claiming religious violence is normal and it's now the turn of your Islamists to do yours, afterall you are one if the youngest religions in the world ...

honesttalk21:
It's absolutely right to condemn terrorism. However, to suggest that it uniquely characterizes Islam while ignoring or downplaying similar actions by others is a form of selective outrage, not a genuine analysis.

There is no similar action anywhere in the world today.....u lie and are just desperate to justify killings driven by your religious text as a common thing ..

And this is not a matter of condemning terrorism, it's a matter of admitting these things are unique to your Muslims community in these modern times and address it ...

But no...u pple are only vocal against non-muslims when we start to mentions these violence...these modern interpretation is not meant for you muslims but to initiate Taqiyya when non-muslims now see your wicked acts

Tell me....how many times have u seen scholars re-teach you Muslims about these old barbaric verses ... ..how many YouTube videos or offline teaching have u seen where scholars or Imams re-explain to you pple about these your modern. scholars interpretation....all you pple do is look for how to discredit Christianity.....say Jesus in not God, and that Jesus ddnt eat pork in a desperate move to invalidate the Christian's faith

Everyday .....You produce new sets of Muslims trained with these same violent, non-inclusive doctrine, doctrine of takeover and shariah enforcement ....
Then when jihad killings start for example because of claims of blasphemy on one street or in school in europe or becos the host nation you all are mass-migrating to say they don't want your hijab dressing that totally conceals identity because it's against their nations security laws and culture ...you will come and pretend perpetrators of the violence are not Muslims but are normal things that happen every where in other religions...... Yet you have doctrine that mandate you must have shariah and resist those who don't want you to do ur ancient arabic Islamic practice

advanceDNA:
but this is what you have been claiming since this conversation started weeks back...u pretend that Islamic jihadist kiling to force Islamic state in burkinafaso, chad, Somalia, Mozambique Nigeria, Niger, Togo, Kenya, just to mention a few are found in other religions misinterpreting there religious text as well....

How exactly please?

honesttalk21:
The truth is in Islam, we acknowledge that interpretation plays a role in understanding law and history.

of course...u beleive it for yourself only but you use it to invalidate other non-muslim religion..... isn't that double standard and very convenient for you..??

honesttalk21:
However, the belief that earlier scriptures have been altered isn’t just a modern excuse or an emotional response; it’s actually a core tenet of the Qur’an itself (2:79, 5:13).

I'm aware this is core to Quran ...this is infact your Gospel because your Quran has no self-merit or legal stand....
If not that u are all blinded by fake claims of religious superiority that Islam gives itself..you would have clearly seen that the only way to establish dominance or claim superiority over the two previous Faiths ...is to further lie/claim the previous religions are corrupted and not to be trusted bearing in mind that your Quran contains text from the two previous text.. lol

honesttalk21:
The Qur’an tells us that God sent earlier revelations, but some communities later changed or misunderstood them. This isn’t about hostility; it’s a theological stance, much like how every major faith asserts its own ultimate authority.

. lol......forget my criticism for a minute and read your Quran to summarize its theme like the any other book..

it will be clear to you if u are not shaIIow that that the writers of Quran wrote it aimed at pulling down the previous faiths that came before to ultimately validate itself and achieve wide acceptance....

Let me land...... The writers manipulated you it's target audience with claims of superiority by claiming to be what the two other text are not or Is..

1) claims of preservation, which are just claims and nothing more..was the Quran written and suspended in space from contact with humans that could corrupt it.....??
Is ur prophet still alive in a cave by the power of your god reading the Quran out by himself and there for free from corruption from other humans?... Sir all u have are claims targeted at Arabian audience to make Islam appear better than other previous text.....

2)claims of one illiterate author: lol this is also supposed to be a pull down move of Torah and bible which has may authors spanning several generations,..

.but it's obviously not a well thought claim ...and I am still shocked at how u Muslims all over the world think that Quran having one author makes it more valid than a text with several authors validating and referencing each other over generations ... It's funny that you Muslims don't know how important reference is...
. I mean, how does it sound to you that a person wrote a physics journal but claim previous combined journal on the same topic are corrupted and his own is the authentic.... And when u ask him how...he says it's because he did the experiment in lab where nobody saw him, and because he has no co-author, therefore he's more valid than all others....?? Lol
With all due respect sir.... That's what I call a truckload of fallacies

3) claims that others previous text are corrupted..... another erroneous claim to discredit previous faith.... Ask a Muslim to preach islam the way Christians have a core message of salvation through faith in Christ death and resurrection, a Muslim cannot do so without discrediting other faith because Muslims have no gospel.....and that's why it was not surprising to me when I saw a mosque in Lagos paste a large bill board in front of its entrance reading "Jesus is not the son of God"

......lol.....Islam actually need to discredit other faith even to his own members to be more believable and valid


4) an obvious target at Christians citing that God has no child and claims of polytheism ......this is the funniest one and one of the clear evidence that the your religious text was written with the premise of Christians ans Jews in view ....

honesttalk21:
The Qur’an doesn’t dismiss previous prophets or revelations; instead, it affirms them and refers to itself as the final confirmation (5:48). So, Islam’s position is one of continuity rather than superiority through denial.

u are both in denail and presenting deception.....first u claim your Quran doesn't dismiss previous faith..but your turn around to claim all the core values, beliefs, prophecy of the previous faith are either lies or corrupted..

Ur modern day scholars go into the same corrupt book...to cherry pick which is corrupt and which is not whenever they need to use it to justify your own Islam ....for example claiming the holy Spirit mentioned in the bible is your prophet ....
U ddnt notice that suddenly u Muslims made yourself but an authority of another person's faith and yours, yet you Muslims don't see a flaw in this reasoning and a clear manipulation you Muslims as well.

honesttalk21:
When it comes to violence, those who commit acts of murder, arson, or terror in the name of Islam aren’t truly interpreting scripture they’re going against it.

you ignore the fact that the basic modus operandi of religious practice is that followers practice what their central person say or do.....so sir, you cannot so it not a plausible conclusion to say you Muslims kill and force Islam and shariah today all over the world because the central person of your religion who saw an angel also carried weapons kill people, take their land, impose Islam in the location forcing Jizyya on them for being non-islam...

honesttalk21:
The Qur’an explicitly forbids killing the innocent (5:32) and emphasizes mercy and justice.

hahahahaha ....lol,. When you were writing this ddnt u feel any restrain or hesitation??

It's funny how ur Quran forbids killing but your prophet has hundreds of body count to his name...including those he ddnt kill directly because I remember his friend and convert helped him execute around 400 to 600 Jews after a battle ended because they were consulting with ur prophets enemies....

your prophet that is supposed to be preaching peace and faith in his God to everyone even has enemies he wants dead.?? Lol......so where is the mercy you are talking about

It's funny how your Quran emphasizes peace & mercy but the account of your prophet killing, cutting people's hand, beheading people is all over the Quran....for someone that claim to bring religious faith in his god, he shouldn't be holding faith in one hand and sword plus numerous fellow killers on the other hand..
Well, I guess you Muslims' standard of mercy, and forbidding of killing is different from our own...

honesttalk21:
Extremists overlook centuries of Islamic scholarship that denounces vigilantism and mob justice.

sir you are deceptive in your submission .....they are not overlooking anything .....they are doing what your prophet did which is how religion works.....

For example, u will find many Christians today that don't marry....even though Jesus did not say it's a must...they practice this in service to God because it is what Jesus did....that's how religion works....christians don't call them liars or false wrong interpreters of the bible .....so don't come here claiming pple who did what your prophet did are wrong, this is deception and a desperate attempt at hiding the fact that your religion breeds violence

Your prophet murdered pple but you are here claiming murdering is forbidden in Islam.... It's only Jesus that can claim that because while he was harassed and attacked...he did not retaliate..

honesttalk21:
As for discussions about early history or Aisha’s age, the academic debates reflect different historical methodologies rather than deceit..

there is nothing academic about Islam.....for centuries after ur prophet, u pple kill your neighbors for being offended for blasphemy, till today your pple are killing people all over the world to enforce shariah and Islam .....counties with full Islamic states allow marriage of 9 year old referencing your prophet's practice ...but you are here claiming academic debate....
Your scholars are modern day pple who now see how barbaric and ancient these Arabian doctrines are .....they see how Islam was merged with idolatry to integrate the idol worshippers of medina and now they are bringing new interpretations to make Islam look good...
Sir, yall are centuries too late... You are millons of deaths too late.....in fact, your pple won't even stop because these violent interpretation are still ongoing......and you only use these new scholar debates to defend yourself when u meet non-muslims...

..in your muslim-alone gathering, you all desire shariah, you all want a community that exclude other faith, to force everyone to wear hijab, and all manner of old Arabian doctrine.. so sir.....so who are u trying to deceive....

honesttalk21:
Islam’s teachings on compassion and consent are clear; any political or cultural abuses stem from human failures, not divine directives.

again...are u the only religion with human failures ...this is 2025 for crying out loud...with all ur so called main stream scholars, u still kill your neighbors, behead your teachers on the streets, and burn your fellow classmates ....
Your still attach bombs on your under wear because of martyr doctrine and reward of virgins in heaven.....so what's the point of these new interpretation when u can't teach it to your pple?? Oh I remember it's just for non-muslims when the ask you about Islamic driven violence

honesttalk21:
Islam doesn’t require other religions to be false in order to stand firm. It simply asserts that revelation reached its completion with the Qur’an, while still honoring the truths and prophets that came before.

you are a liar sir.... u deny what prophets before yours Quran wrote by claiming corruption but pretend you honor truth.....u are contracting yourself....
Jesus said "if u deny my words u deny me as well"...u cant cherry pick.....

honesttalk21:
. Labeling extremism as “Islamic” while ignoring the Qur’an’s moral teachings is a distortion, not a valid argument.

Look around you sir...from burkinafaso to Niger, Chad, to Nigeria, Kenya to Mali, Togo, etc all the way to Europe....the violence is ever present among your pple targeting other pple that's not of your faith, going to their lands to demand for shariah and Arabian customs that go against their security laws ans customs...

So...if u look well, i am not the one creating distortion....your religion has a fundamental flaw of being rooted in violence practice seen as okay years back and that's why you can never separate violent and barbaric acts from Muslims 5000 years to come....it is appealing to most of you because it make you feel dominant that you murder this who offended you, behead apostate, have your own shariah courts, impose jizyya on people and so on..

honesttalk21:
How exactly please?

Please sir stop pretending to be obviously... When I told u to give examples of groups formed by Christians or other religion that kill Muslims or people different from their faith, or show me Christians murdering their community members in the street, commiting mass murder , hiding bombs in their underwear etc
.......a few comments back in a bid to defend the killings among you religion as normal and common among other religions you desperately claimed Buddhist and Christians, etc have killed Muslims and others as well for heresy....

Unlike you I will not hide the evil of the catholic church which are discords among the church....in a bid to manipulate pple the catholic church wanted to keep the bible and it's interpretation under their custody alone....

Again.....Show me which Christians, Buddhist, wtc go around murdering pple for heresy today, show me other religions who want to enforce Christian law in other pples land ...?? That's because there is no heresy doctrine in the Bible, there is no where it's is written suggested for apostate to be killed whether in the four gospel, prophets or later books.....
.there is nowhere christians expect pple to dress in certain ways by force because faith and religion is supposed to be a relationship btw man and God and not a national or state enforcement

. Yu are just desperate because no group does the same violence u muslims perpetrate in the name of your god, prophet and for advancing Islam and sharia...so u cook up desperate lie

advanceDNA:
Please sir stop pretending to be obviously... When I told u to give examples of groups formed by Christians or other religion that kill Muslims or people different from their faith, or show me Christians murdering their community members in the street, commiting mass murder , hiding bombs in their underwear etc
.......a few comments back in a bid to defend the killings among you religion as normal and common among other religions you desperately claimed Buddhist and Christians, etc have killed Muslims and others as well for heresy....

Unlike you I will not hide the evil of the catholic church which are discords among the church....in a bid to manipulate pple the catholic church wanted to keep the bible and it's interpretation under their custody alone....

Again.....Show me which Christians, Buddhist, wtc go around murdering pple for heresy today, show me other religions who want to enforce Christian law in other pples land ...?? That's because there is no heresy doctrine in the Bible, there is no where it's is written suggested for apostate to be killed whether in the four gospel, prophets or later books.....
.there is nowhere christians expect pple to dress in certain ways by force because faith and religion is supposed to be a relationship btw man and God and not a national or state enforcement

. Yu are just desperate because no group does the same violence u muslims perpetrate in the name of your god, prophet and for advancing Islam and sharia...so u cook up desperate lie

You're not sticking to one standard; instead, you're shifting categories to defend your conclusion.

When violence is committed by Muslims, you label it as Islam. But when Christians are involved, you break down Christianity into Catholics, militias, nationalists, or political groups, as if they’re no longer part of the faith.

That distinction is pretty artificial. Here are some examples you either overlook or reclassify:
- The Lord’s Resistance Army in Uganda: They’re explicitly Christian-apocalyptic, quoting the Bible and enforcing the Ten Commandments, yet they’re rarely labeled as Christian terrorists.
- The Anti-Balaka militias in the Central African Republic: Mostly Christian, attacking Muslims and mosques, but they’re called sectarian militias, not Christian extremists.

Then there’s the KKK in the USA: They openly use Christian symbols, have pastors, and cite the Bible, but their actions are never framed as terrorism driven by Christianity.

Buddhist militias in Myanmar and Sri Lanka are labeled as nationalists, not Buddhist terrorists.

And Jewish religious extremists are referred to as settlers or radicals, not as representatives of Judaism.

But when Muslims commit acts of violence, there’s no such nuance. Sunnis, Shias, terrorists, other group names in the world and Nigeria, civilians; they all get lumped together under Islam.

What’s even more revealing is your willingness to say that abuses by the Catholic Church don’t represent Christianity, yet you refuse to apply the same logic when Muslims argue that terror groups don’t represent Islam. That’s a double standard, not a valid argument.

Regarding doctrine, your claim still falls short: The Bible does prescribe death for apostasy and blasphemy (Deuteronomy 13, Leviticus 24). Christianity has stopped enforcing these laws through reinterpretation and the establishment of secular states, not because they never existed.

Today, Islam is grappling with extremist distortions in areas plagued by state collapse, war, poverty, and arms proliferation. That context explains where the violence occurs—not what the religion itself teaches.

If Islam truly mandated terror, then 1.8 billion Muslims living in numerous peaceful societies would be violent. But they’re not.

So, no, this isn’t denial or desperation. What’s truly desperate is the tendency to rename everyone else’s religious violence while insisting that only one religion must take responsibility for its extremists.

Condemn the killers, reject the ideology.
But stop pretending the rules change depending on which religion is on trial.

honesttalk21:
You're not sticking to one standard; instead, you're shifting categories to defend your conclusion.

When violence is committed by Muslims, you label it as Islam. But when Christians are involved, you break down Christianity into Catholics, militias, nationalists, or political groups, as if they’re no longer part of the faith.

That distinction is pretty artificial. Here are some examples you either overlook or reclassify:
- The Lord’s Resistance Army in Uganda: They’re explicitly Christian-apocalyptic, quoting the Bible and enforcing the Ten Commandments, yet they’re rarely labeled as Christian terrorists.
- The Anti-Balaka militias in the Central African Republic: Mostly Christian, attacking Muslims and mosques, but they’re called sectarian militias, not Christian extremists.

Then there’s the KKK in the USA: They openly use Christian symbols, have pastors, and cite the Bible, but their actions are never framed as terrorism driven by Christianity.

Buddhist militias in Myanmar and Sri Lanka are labeled as nationalists, not Buddhist terrorists.

And Jewish religious extremists are referred to as settlers or radicals, not as representatives of Judaism.

But when Muslims commit acts of violence, there’s no such nuance. Sunnis, Shias, terrorists, other group names in the world and Nigeria, civilians; they all get lumped together under Islam.

What’s even more revealing is your willingness to say that abuses by the Catholic Church don’t represent Christianity, yet you refuse to apply the same logic when Muslims argue that terror groups don’t represent Islam. That’s a double standard, not a valid argument.

Regarding doctrine, your claim still falls short: The Bible does prescribe death for apostasy and blasphemy (Deuteronomy 13, Leviticus 24). Christianity has stopped enforcing these laws through reinterpretation and the establishment of secular states, not because they never existed.

Today, Islam is grappling with extremist distortions in areas plagued by state collapse, war, poverty, and arms proliferation. That context explains where the violence occurs—not what the religion itself teaches.

If Islam truly mandated terror, then 1.8 billion Muslims living in numerous peaceful societies would be violent. But they’re not.

So, no, this isn’t denial or desperation. What’s truly desperate is the tendency to rename everyone else’s religious violence while insisting that only one religion must take responsibility for its extremists.

Condemn the killers, reject the ideology.
But stop pretending the rules change depending on which religion is on trial.

I just mentioned I will not hide the practice of catholics ...Catholic are evil Christians who killed their fellow Christian for control.....

Again.....Show me which Christians, Buddhist, etc go around murdering pple for heresy today, show me other religions who want to enforce Christian law in other pples land ...??
Migrating to oles land demanding for shariah, dressing like you want to go commit robbery that no one can'l know your identity .....if the government says this is not acceptable ..u start jihad ..


This is 2025...u murdered pple in ancient times during your prophet, after your prophet even now...

... All of these should be history by now, things used to teach pple about old times and barbaric practice....but that's what u pple are still doing now murdering pple on the street , justifying marrying children ......

advanceDNA:
I just mentioned I will not hide the practice of catholics ...Catholic are evil Christians who killed their fellow Christian for control.....

Again.....Show me which Christians, Buddhist, etc go around murdering pple for heresy today, show me other religions who want to enforce Christian law in other pples land ...??
Migrating to oles land demanding for shariah, dressing like you want to go commit robbery that no one can'l know your identity .....if the government says this is not acceptable ..u start jihad ..


This is 2025...u murdered pple in ancient times during your prophet, after your prophet even now...

... All of these should be history by now, things used to teach pple about old times and barbaric practice....but that's what u pple are still doing now murdering pple on the street , justifying marrying children ......

Well you just admitted yourself that Catholics are evil Christian so are they the only ones? Rev King and one recently in the media for marriage despite long years dating another are not Catholics but hint of things christians can get into.

You’re definitely holding onto a double standard here; turning off and on what you accept as truth wantonly. When violence is committed by Muslims, it’s labeled as Islam despite clear explanation of facade the actors use and it's disobedience to Islamic teaching. But when Christians are involved, they get rebranded as “nationalists,” “extremists,” or even “lone wolves.” Take Anders Breivik from Norway, for instance. He openly identified as a Christian who was defending Europe, yet he killed 77 people and specifically targeted Muslims and multiculturalism. Strangely enough, he’s never referred to as a Christian terrorist. The terminology shifts, but the reality remains unchanged.

Similarly, we see Buddhist militias in Myanmar and Sri Lanka killing Muslims today, but they’re called “nationalists.” On the other hand, Christian militias like Anti-Balaka attack Muslims and are labeled as sectarian groups. It’s the same pattern with different names: violence justified by identity and belief.

Claiming that Prophet Muhammad pbuh was a murderer is more of a modern misunderstanding than a fair historical critique. He lived in a 7th-century tribal society where warfare was the norm. Conflicts arose after persecution, forced exile, broken treaties, and attacks on the early Muslim community. There’s no evidence that he killed anyone simply for their beliefs. In fact, the Qur’an clearly states that forced conversion is not acceptable.

Some key historical points that critics you overlook are that during his 13 years in Mecca, Muslims faced severe persecution, torture, and even death yet he consistently prohibited retaliation. The wars he engaged in were primarily defensive or based on treaties, not acts of extermination. His act of mass forgiveness during the Conquest of Mecca, when he had the power to exact revenge, stands in stark contrast to the portrayal of him as a bloodthirsty leader.
Jewish and Christian communities were protected under agreements, not subjected to annihilation.

We should absolutely condemn these crimes. But singling out Islam while giving everyone else’s religious violence a pass is just selective outrage, not genuine honesty.