₦airaland Forum

Osiris12:
na lie, no matured chicken will go for 13k

Just because it’s a faceless forum doesn’t mean we should lie anyhow

VeeVeeMyLuv:
Seriously I don't know what and why that wicked soul is still talking about hell bent on implementing his imagined multiple tax laws (not ours).

He removed subsidy on

Petrol (fuel)

causing petrol and transport care price on air, sea, land, rail jump above 500%! Fuel price from 180 to 1000+, transport care up, air ticket flight cost astronomical, completely out of reach.

Electricity

Yet light is not steady. 1000 naira is now only 4.2 units!

Education
School feels now very expensive, students now turning to NELFUND

WHY is he still asking for tax

This is not the priority now
This is just like taxing completely empty pockets (many pockets now are empty as confirmed from this topic of discussion).

What you should focus now on is making the governance more transparent and accountable,
Curtailing the hydra headed monstrous corruption.
Solving the insecurity puzzle.

And most importantly creating an enabling environment to make wealth , create an atmosphere of enterprise and abundance, make the human resources productive, make all the sectors of the economy esp manufacturing sector productive.

Then we can now starting talking about this kind of taxation that obtains in advanced countries, you are proposing.

Not at this point where you can't guarantee security of lives and property, 24h electricity, pipeborne water supply, good roads network, affordable transportation e.t.c

madridguy:
Let them go and eat their live stocks at home. Our greediness will one day bring down our country if we don't caution ourselves.

Christmas is a season of love but our traders will always make it a season of agony. Imagine selling a chicken for 30-45K, this are normal chicken of 10-15K but because it is Christmas season, everyone want to cash out.

Reference:
Na so.
Let me see how much they will raise from taxing an impoverished people.

Or are people not the ones you folks are targeting to tax. Are robots going to pay or foreigners?

The revenues you have collected via inflation, the savings you have made via subsidies you have withdrawn over the last two years.

YOU HAVE WASTED IT ALL.

Instead of using the first fruits of reforms to feed the goose that lays the golden egg, you waste it all on elitist projects that have zero, zero economic impact. That neither create jobs or establish businesses enmasse.

Now the chickens have returned to roost. You want to reap from where you have not sowed, but rather ravaged.

Let me see how much tax you folks will be able to raise.

obiekunie01:
See them.

Agents of the demon living in Abuja rock!

They are here as usual to push the blame on the victim.

GOD WILL P -U N I- S H. ALL OF YOU NOW AND FOREVER!

obiekunie01:
See them.

Agents of the demon living in Abuja rock!

They are here as usual to push the blame on the victim.

GOD WILL P -U N I- S H. ALL OF YOU NOW AND FOREVER!

madridguy:
Let them go and eat their live stocks at home. Our greediness will one day bring down our country if we don't caution ourselves.

Christmas is a season of love but our traders will always make it a season of agony. Imagine selling a chicken for 30-45K, this are normal chicken of 10-15K but because it is Christmas season, everyone want to cash out.

VeeVeeMyLuv:
Seriously I don't know what and why that wicked soul is still talking about hell bent on implementing his imagined multiple tax laws (not ours).

He removed subsidy on

Petrol (fuel)

causing petrol and transport care price on air, sea, land, rail jump above 500%! Fuel price from 180 to 1000+, transport care up, air ticket flight cost astronomical, completely out of reach.

Electricity

Yet light is not steady. 1000 naira is now only 4.2 units!

Education
School feels now very expensive, students now turning to NELFUND

WHY is he still asking for tax

This is not the priority now
This is just like taxing completely empty pockets (many pockets now are empty as confirmed from this topic of discussion).

What you should focus now on is making the governance more transparent and accountable,
Curtailing the hydra headed monstrous corruption.
Solving the insecurity puzzle.

And most importantly creating an enabling environment to make wealth , create an atmosphere of enterprise and abundance, make the human resources productive, make all the sectors of the economy esp manufacturing sector productive.

Then we can now starting talking about this kind of taxation that obtains in advanced countries, you are proposing.

Not at this point where you can't guarantee security of lives and property, 24h electricity, pipeborne water supply, good roads network, affordable transportation e.t.c

nairalanda1:
Electricity is subsidsied for the majority, as is education.

As for tax, considering our tax to gdp is 13.8%...lower than NIger Republic, and considering oil prices are scheduled to keep falling for the next several years, and considering no diversificaiton of the economy(the fault of tinubu, and buhari since they promised it), it's either tax, or government would borrow far far more than they are dreaming of right now.

The scary thing for next year is that if we fight corruption, we still have a very scanty budget that can give every nigerian less than 300000 for the year.


MODIFED

Despite me saying that

1.It is the fault of tinubu and buhari that they haven't diversifed our economy

and

2. Our tax to gdp is low, which is itself an indictment of the government

Some chap called obiekunle01 has decided to use abusive language on me.

My post is definetly not excusing the government, unless you think that saying that the government has failed in its responsibility to raise money for the treasury or to even make our economy productive enough to raise money for our treasury is defending the government...which is in itself a rddiculous idea

I seem to find that some people cannot think before they speak apparently, or read properly.

The problem with Nigeria has always been our resource dependent economy, and thus the tragedy of this APC government is the failure in ten years to reverse that. Instead tinubu and buhari loyalists engage in blaming each other.

And it has been a cold reality that we do not earn enough from tax. Organisations like PwC and the World Bank have repeatedly said that, plus our tax to gdp is markedly low...which is a big part of the reason why we always borrow, even in times of plenty. Yet somehow pointing that out means I am a tinubu supporter. Are PwC and the World Bank made up of APC supporters too?

And it is also a statement of fact that only Band A people pay above market price, and the majority of customers of the discos are on subsidised prices. A statement that has been repeated many times over the years even. Yet, repeating that truth means I am an APC supporter?

And then education...is subsidised. NELFUND, which is a waste of time in my opinion...was brought in to help poor students via a loan...which is a trap. Yet, for stating the truth, I am an APC supporter.

Is the sign of opposing this government being that we must lie like the average government supporter? Does that not make us the same as the APC Propaganda kompanie on this site.?

Anyway, there is popularity and there is truth. I stand for truth, not for lies. Facts, my friends, do not respect your feelings. Whatever you think of me, or not, I will post the truth and I don't care if you abuse me or not.

And Nigeria needs to be free from resource dependency.

I am dissapointed in Obiekunle01. But then again, no one is perfect.

madridguy:
Let them go and eat their live stocks at home. Our greediness will one day bring down our country if we don't caution ourselves.

Christmas is a season of love but our traders will always make it a season of agony. Imagine selling a chicken for 30-45K, this are normal chicken of 10-15K but because it is Christmas season, everyone want to cash out.

Elusive001:
I don’t know where you sold your soul, but this is a faceless forum, no need to stupid lies here
No one will beat you.

No mature chicken sells for N13,000

yesloaded:
Do you know how much it cost to raise a chicken from day old till maturity?

Are you telling us that government delayed salaries to prevent them from buying expensive chicken?

😂

madridguy:
Let them go and eat their live stocks at home. Our greediness will one day bring down our country if we don't caution ourselves.

Christmas is a season of love but our traders will always make it a season of agony. Imagine selling a chicken for 30-45K, this are normal chicken of 10-15K but because it is Christmas season, everyone want to cash out.

Obiedun:
Make you and buy them. Sebi you get moni . If I no see chicken chop na by force? Ponmo dey market nau.

zagorakis:
You guys greed will make you people want to put all your problems in the price of chicken. Which one be turkey for 80 to 100k

yesloaded:
I normally rear chicken for personal consumption

Seeplusplus:
Did you read the part where he said it costs about 50k daily to feed the birds? So he should sell at a lost?

The problem with most Nigerians like you is ignorance. You sit in the comfort of your homes/offices to dictate how cheap foodstuffs should be, simply because farming has always been known to be a poor man's job in Nigeria.

Yet, same you will expect a recruiter to pay you $1k simply because you manage to know how to display "hello world" on the browser.

If you think farmers are cashing out like you guys always do, why not join the industry? I know you'll say no. But here you are saying rubbish about the few people still risking their lives and resources just to keep the industry afloat

Very terrible mentality

nairalanda1:
Electricity is subsidsied for the majority, as is education.

As for tax, considering our tax to gdp is 13.8%...lower than NIger Republic, and considering oil prices are scheduled to keep falling for the next several years, and considering no diversificaiton of the economy(the fault of tinubu, and buhari since they promised it), it's either tax, or government would borrow far far more than they are dreaming of right now.

The scary thing for next year is that if we fight corruption, we still have a very scanty budget that can give every nigerian less than 300000 for the year.


MODIFED

Despite me saying that

1.It is the fault of tinubu and buhari that they haven't diversifed our economy

and

2. Our tax to gdp is low, which is itself an indictment of the government

Some chap called obiekunle01 has decided to use abusive language on me.

My post is definetly not excusing the government, unless you think that saying that the government has failed in its responsibility to raise money for the treasury or to even make our economy productive enough to raise money for our treasury is defending the government...which is in itself a rddiculous idea

I seem to find that some people cannot think before they speak apparently, or read properly.

The problem with Nigeria has always been our resource dependent economy, and thus the tragedy of this APC government is the failure in ten years to reverse that. Instead tinubu and buhari loyalists engage in blaming each other.

And it has been a cold reality that we do not earn enough from tax. Organisations like PwC and the World Bank have repeatedly said that, plus our tax to gdp is markedly low...which is a big part of the reason why we always borrow, even in times of plenty. Yet somehow pointing that out means I am a tinubu supporter. Are PwC and the World Bank made up of APC supporters too?

And it is also a statement of fact that only Band A people pay above market price, and the majority of customers of the discos are on subsidised prices. A statement that has been repeated many times over the years even. Yet, repeating that truth means I am an APC supporter?

And then education...is subsidised. NELFUND, which is a waste of time in my opinion...was brought in to help poor students via a loan...which is a trap. Yet, for stating the truth, I am an APC supporter.

Is the sign of opposing this government being that we must lie like the average government supporter? Does that not make us the same as the APC Propaganda kompanie on this site.?

Anyway, there is popularity and there is truth. I stand for truth, not for lies. Facts, my friends, do not respect your feelings. Whatever you think of me, or not, I will post the truth and I don't care if you abuse me or not.

And Nigeria needs to be free from resource dependency.

I am dissapointed in Obiekunle01. But then again, no one is perfect.

drstranged:
Your post is largely non-sensical. You should have commented largely on the subsidy removal which has made huge amounts of extra money available to the government (in trillions per month). What have these extra money been used for? Are the citizens better off than when subsidy was in place? People despite paying taxes to the same government and with subsidy removal in place still produce their own electricity, generate their own water supply and even fix their own roads etc, something that the government is expected to provide! And to worsen matters, despite the enormous inflation induced by subsidy removal, salary has still largely remained the same, meaning the purchasing power of the average citizen has significantly reduced. The so called money from subsidy removal is obviously being shared among the president and his cartels because the expected benefits are not being seen. Even the Niger you quoted largely have better economic living standards than the average Nigerian currently.
So when you analyze or dissect issues, do that intelligently, holistically and incisively, not in the shallow manner you did.

yesloaded:
Do you know how much it cost to raise a chicken from day old till maturity?

Are you telling us that government delayed salaries to prevent them from buying expensive chicken?

😂

nairalanda1:
Subsidy removal freed up money, yes , but it did not raise overall income. It just reduced the amount of present income that we spent on subsidy.

The problem with Nigeria is that our economy is so wack and unproductive and government revenue generation is also wack and then there is corruption that budgets have really not been fit for purpose for decades.

That's why I keep shouting that our problem is resource dependent economy, and the need to make it a productive economy

That is where apc is failing and why tinubu is failing.

Subsidy removal happened because available revenue was being eaten up by debt service resulting from loans taken to replace the subsidy hole in the budget over the years to the point that there was no money for anything, including the subsidy itself

We were warned as early as 1993 that that would happen if we kept subsidy

Dancebreaker:
OK. But why did those now in power oppose GEJ's subsidy removal a decade earlier?

drstranged:
Your post is largely non-sensical

You should have commented largely on the subsidy removal which has made huge amounts of extra money available to the government (in trillions per month)

But not improved overall revenue. Nigeria has had a revenue problem for decades...which is why corruption damages us more than other nations.

[quote]. What have these extra money been used for?

Are the citizens better off than when subsidy was in place? People despite paying taxes to the same government

and with subsidy removal in place still produce their own electricity

, generate their own water supply and even fix their own roads etc, something that the government is expected to provide!

And to worsen matters, despite the enormous inflation induced by subsidy removal, salary has still largely remained the same, meaning the purchasing power of the average citizen has significantly reduced. The so called money from subsidy removal is obviously being shared among the president and his cartels because the expected benefits are not being seen.

Even the Niger you quoted largely have better economic living standards than the average Nigerian currently.

So when you analyze or dissect issues, do that intelligently, holistically and incisively, not in the shallow manner you did.

madridguy:
Let them go and eat their live stocks at home. Our greediness will one day bring down our country if we don't caution ourselves.

Christmas is a season of love but our traders will always make it a season of agony. Imagine selling a chicken for 30-45K, this are normal chicken of 10-15K but because it is Christmas season, everyone want to cash out.

madridguy:
Let them go and eat their live stocks at home. Our greediness will one day bring down our country if we don't caution ourselves.

Christmas is a season of love but our traders will always make it a season of agony. Imagine selling a chicken for 30-45K, this are normal chicken of 10-15K but because it is Christmas season, everyone want to cash out.

yesloaded:
Do you know how much it cost to raise a chicken from day old till maturity?

Are you telling us that government delayed salaries to prevent them from buying expensive chicken?

😂

villagereporter:
.

Bàbá it is very cleared dat you are as ignorant as your post. I have about 500 birds I reared for this Xmas, and 80 bags of foods were eaten by dem. I bought them at vertex farm Ibadan at #750 per one, day old, transportation is 20k to my base, 35 bags of Starter feed were consumed for 3 weeks at 25k per bag, 15 bags of Grower feeds were consumed at 17k per bag, while 30 bags of Finisher feed were consumed at also 25k per bag minus vaccines, mortality and other drugs.

So please stop abusing d sensibilities of we Nigerians dat are hustling daily to produce for the people. And tell your drug lord and certificate forger dat he has failed woefully.

Ireooo and B4 you termed me Obidient, I remain Adéolá kéhìndé Adénlé.

So for a chicken that cost you 5k to grow, 15k is not enough for you to sell, you want to sell it at 45,000 and you don't think you're a greedy person Na wah for us sha

nairalanda1:
Because they wanted to ride popular opposition against subsidy to get into power later on.

Subsidy removal has been unpopular in nigeria...even the dreaded Abacha never contemplated removing fuel subsidy...so GEJ's attempt to remove it led to people protesting, and Buhari and Tinubu saw an opportunity to garner popularity.

As you may know, most Nigerians were not seeing what government was seeing then. Subsidy costs, in 2011 were triple those in 2010. (Oshiomole, who as a governor had access to the official records on subsidy spending, was one of the few oppositon leaders to oppose subsidy retention and support its removal because he had information most did not). AM sure buhari and tinubu knew..but because they wanted to get into power, they played the game, and won.

Naturally, retaining subsidy forced us into serious fiscal problems, which buhari tried to hold at bay with borrowing and printing money, and misusing ways and means. By August 2022, the chickens had come home to roost.

madridguy:
Let them go and eat their live stocks at home. Our greediness will one day bring down our country if we don't caution ourselves.

Christmas is a season of love but our traders will always make it a season of agony. Imagine selling a chicken for 30-45K, this are normal chicken of 10-15K but because it is Christmas season, everyone want to cash out.

Kingdavid579:
I like your ignorance, because you don't know that location plays a role in market prices? Because you don't know that is not everyone that's greedy?

iwaeda:
https://dailytrust.com/traders-lament-low-patronage-of-poultry-foodstuffs-in-abuja/?noamp=available