₦airaland Forum

greenmonk:
I talkam. You be pastor. Pastors like pandering to women.
Was it not the same bible you teach that said women should be submissive to their husbands.
You don't want the man to be authoritative but you expect him to pay bride price and go through fire to acquire a wife and after that becomes an equal yoker with her.
If women really want equality some the practices in Nigeria have to change.

We4all:
The same bible says not to fornicate, commit adultery, and ask to love thy neighbour as yourself. How many of these commands have you obeyed?

You should be casting and binding you selective memory, and not looking for a slave to control in the name of submission. 😏😏😏
My take is that I like people who are transparent.
I respect people especially those who are not practise what they preach and I'm sure your not one of them.

Naijalegal:
“SUBMISSION” IN MARRIAGE IS NOT SLAVERY — AND NIGERIAN MEN NEED TO HEAR THIS

Let’s settle this once and for all.

Biblical submission is NOT military command submission style.
It is NOT dictatorship.
It is NOT “I am the man, shut up.”

Marriage was never designed as a superior vs inferior relationship.
The Bible calls marriage an EQUAL YOKE — two people becoming ONE.

So how did “submission” suddenly turn into subjugation of women in this generation?

Submission in marriage simply exists to reduce friction, align vision, and streamline authority, not to silence a woman or erase her intelligence.

“Two cannot walk together except they agree.”
Agreement requires voices, not silence.

A submissive wife is not voiceless.
A submissive wife is heard, considered, and integrated into decisions.

Even in traditional African homes, wives were never slaves.
The man was the mouth, but the woman was the tongue inside — invisible to outsiders but absolutely indispensable.

Major decisions?
✔️ Wife consulted
✔️ Wife informed
✔️ Wife respected

So how did modern men become more extreme than our forefathers?

Let me break it down

Submission is like aerodynamics
A plane must be shaped a certain way to fly.
Design it like a car and it will crash.

Submission is the wing of marriage —
but NO PLANE FLIES WITH ONE WING.

Submission must be mutual.
Respect must be equal.

When submission is mutual, marriage flies.
When submission becomes subjugation, marriage crashes.

A man who confuses submission with oppression is like someone trying to mix oil and water.
They will never become one.

When you subjugate your wife:
❌ You kill her potential
❌ You reduce her capacity
❌ You waste her intelligence

A wife is the neck — and the head cannot turn without it.

Refusing to consult your wife is like owning two brains and using only one.
That is not leadership. That is self-sabotage.

Your wife should be your deputy, not your domestic staff.
She should be able to stand in your absence and move the vision forward.

Submission is AGAPE submission — deep, mutual, equal, intentional.

Submission exists to unify purpose, not to dominate women.

If submission silences her, weakens her, or makes her invisible —
That is not biblical
That is not African
That is not marriage

Let the arguments begin

Do you believe submission means silence?
Can a marriage survive without mutual respect?
Nigerian men: are we leading or controlling?


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C.H. Ogudu Esq.
Lawyer, Pastor, Women Rights Advocate and Relationship Coach

Naijalegal:
“SUBMISSION” IN MARRIAGE IS NOT SLAVERY — AND NIGERIAN MEN NEED TO HEAR THIS
Let’s settle this once and for all.
Biblical submission is NOT military command submission style. It is NOT dictatorship. It is NOT “I am the man, shut up.”Marriage was never designed as a superior vs inferior relationship. The Bible calls marriage an EQUAL YOKE — two people becoming ONE. So how did “submission” suddenly turn into subjugation of women in this generation? Submission in marriage simply exists to reduce friction, align vision, and streamline authority, not to silence a woman or erase her intelligence.

“Two cannot walk together except they agree.” Agreement requires voices, not silence.
A submissive wife is not voiceless.
A submissive wife is heard, considered, and integrated into decisions.
Even in traditional African homes, wives were never slaves. The man was the mouth, but the woman was the tongue inside — invisible to outsiders but absolutely indispensable.
Major decisions?
✔️ Wife consulted
✔️ Wife informed
✔️ Wife respected
So how did modern men become more extreme than our forefathers? ....

Fountainofyouth:
➜When you hear most Nigerian men constantly hammer on submission, what they actually mean is that wives should accept and tolerate their bad behaviour e.g cheating should be overlooked, authoritative traits, respect them despite being irresponsible, and so many other evil vices
But I'm so glad that women these days refused to agree and tolerate bull...shit, reason why divorce is on the rise and will continue to rise.

greenmonk:
➜I talkam. You be pastor. Pastors like pandering to women.
Was it not the same bible you teach that said women should be submissive to their husbands.
➜You don't want the man to be authoritative but you expect him to pay bride price and go through fire to acquire a wife and after that becomes an equal yoker with her.
➜ If women really want equality some the practices in Nigeria have to change.

pocohantas:
They learnt it from your forefathers.
So I wonder why same forefathers would be shocked. Or are you in the mood to lie today?

Kobojunkie:
Here's the problem with your claim:

⚈ Marriage in that book is defined as a man leaving his father and his mother behind to join with his woman as one — one signifying the agreement/contract that is marriage. What you poeple practice is instead a situation where a man holds fast to his mother and father, while it is the woman who leaves her father and her mother to join the man's household. Notice how there is no difference between the traditional idea of marriage and the religious notion of what marriage is.

⚈ Submission as written in that book is, in fact, detailed as the curse that was placed specifically on the woman after the fall of man. That curse was never repealed nor replaced for the woman, and it was meant to have the woman subjugated in marriage —she was a slave to his desires in marriage.

2. Paying of bride price has to do with your traditions requiring that of you. Most Nigerian men would rather pay bride price than marry a woman in the courts, though, which offers a marriage built on partnership and not on subjugation. So, the issue isn't the bride price but the mentality that many Nigerian men still hold as far as what they consider the place of the woman(a place beneath them).

3. The practices don't need to change; rather, more men need to choose the more equal arrangement in marriage.

Fenrir:
Im disappointed in you Kobojunkie. The 1 Nigerian on here i believed held yourself to a higher standard. Anything.....

The hypocrite marriage attitude in Nigeria

The original Greek and Hebrew, Nigerian Christianity, and Nigerian law
How coercion violates scripture and law simultaneously

When practice contradicts text, appeals to “Christian values” or “biblical marriage” are false attribution.
When practice contradicts law as well, what remains is not religion or culture but unlawful social control.

Modern law did not invent consent, free will, or accountability.
It translated them.

Free will and accountability. Choice as the foundation of morality and law.

In Galatians 5:13, the Greek reads:

“τῇ ἐλευθερίᾳ ᾑλεὐθερώθητε…”
“For you were called to freedom…”

ἐλευθερία (eleutheria) means voluntary moral agency.
Not chaos. Not disobedience. Choice with responsibility.

The text replaces coercion with accountability.
People choose freely, then answer for those choices.

Nigerian contradiction

Religion is often enforced socially:

assumed belief

punished dissent

emotional coercion

This violates the text.

Nigerian law (federal)

1999 Constitution of Nigeria, Section 38

Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion

Includes freedom to change religion or hold none

Includes freedom from coercion

👉 The Constitution is a legal restatement of eleutheria.
Daily religious pressure violates both scripture and law.

Fear, hell, and control. Moral consequence, not psychological weapon.

The gospels use γέεννα (Gehenna) and ᾍδης (Hades).

Gehenna: a real valley, symbol of destruction or purification

Hades: the realm of the dead

Neither supports modern fear-based behavioural control.

Fear replaces accountability with compliance.

Nigerian contradiction

Hell is routinely used as:

threat

behavioural leash

social weapon

Nigerian law

Criminal Code & Penal Code

Threats and intimidation are offences

Coercion invalidates consent in civil and criminal contexts

👉 Law mirrors the original message:
Fear invalidates moral choice.

Authority inverted. Exousia becomes service, not domination.

Matthew 20:25–26:

“The rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them… but it shall not be so among you.”

ἐξουσία (exousia) is authority exercised responsibly, not domination.

John 13 linguistically inverts κύριος (kurios) when Jesus washes feet.

Nigerian contradiction

Religious and family authority is treated as:

unquestionable

absolute

disciplinary

Nigerian law

Constitution, Section 34

Right to dignity of the human person

Prohibits degrading treatment

👉 Absolute authority over adults violates both:

Christian exousia

Constitutional dignity

Teaching, not forcing. Religion as invitation.

Matthew 28:19:

μαθητεύσατε (matheteusate) teach, mentor

Mark 1:15:

“Repent and believe”

Both presuppose refusal.

Nigerian contradiction

Refusal treated as rebellion

Doubt punished

Compliance enforced

Nigerian law

Child Rights Act & Education Policy

Prohibits religious coercion

Protects freedom of belief even for minors

👉 Teaching without choice is illegal instruction, not education.

Tradition versus God. Culture does not outrank conscience.

Matthew 15:6:

παράδοσις (paradosis) — human tradition
“You nullify the word of God because of your tradition.”

This verse is Christianity’s internal override switch.

A tradition is automatically void when it contradicts moral law.

Nigerian contradiction

“Traditional marriage” treated as superior to:

court marriage

church marriage

mutual consent

Nigerian law

Marriage Act (federal)

Court marriage is fully valid nationwide

Customary rites are optional

No ritual confers extra legal validity

👉 Law follows the text:
Tradition is subordinate.

Lies and manipulation. No exemption for culture.

Hebrew law:

“You shall not bear false witness.”

Greek:

“The truth will set you free.”

Nigerian contradiction

Families claim:

rituals are mandatory

marriages invalid without them

spiritual consequences will follow refusal

Nigerian law

Fraud, misrepresentation, undue influence

Contracts obtained through deception are void

Consent obtained by falsehood is invalid

👉 Manipulation violates biblical ethics and contract law.

Marriage and weddings. Consent creates marriage, not ritual.

In the Bible, marriage forms through:

consent

covenant

responsibility

No ritual creates marriage by force.

Nigerian contradiction

Wedding rituals treated as:

compulsory

legitimising

authority-granting

Nigerian law

Marriage Act + Customary Courts

Marriage exists by consent and registration

Ceremonies are symbolic, not constitutive

No family has veto power over adult marriage

👉 Law reflects the original Christian model:
Choice creates covenant.

Bride price. Mohar is obligation, not purchase.

Hebrew:

מֹהַר (mohar) — obligation

not קָנָה (qanah) — to buy

Exodus 22:16–17:

Payment does not force marriage

Payment does not create ownership

Nigerian contradiction

Bride price treated as:

purchase

entitlement

authority over woman and children

Nigerian law

Customary Law + Supreme Court rulings

Bride price does NOT create ownership

Women are not property

Marriage is not a sale

👉 Law and Hebrew text agree:
Mohar ≠ ownership.

Children are not property.

Psalm 127:3:

“Children are a heritage…”

Greek:

κληρονομία (klēronomia) — stewardship

Nigerian contradiction

“If bride price is paid, children belong to the man.”

Nigerian law

Child Rights Act

Children are independent rights-holders

No parent “owns” a child

Best interest of the child overrides custom

👉 Cultural ownership claims violate:

Scripture

Statute

International law

Household and obedience. Honour ≠ submission.

Greek:

τιμάω (timaō) — honour

ὑπακούω (hypakouō) — obey

The text separates respect from obedience.

Nigerian contradiction

“Honour your parents” used to demand:

ritual compliance

marriage control

life decisions

Nigerian law

Constitution + Family Law

Adults owe no obedience to parents

Honour does not equal submission

👉 Law reflects the Greek distinction exactly.

Conscience and moral responsibility.

Romans 14:5:

συνείδησις (suneidēsis) — internal moral knowledge

Action without conviction is morally compromised.

Nigerian contradiction

Obedience without conviction is praised.

Nigerian law

Consent doctrine

Actions without free will lack legal validity

Coerced decisions are reversible

👉 Law formalises what the text already taught.

The Berean standard. Questioning authority is virtuous.

Acts 17:11:

Bereans praised for questioning religious authority

Nigerian contradiction

Questioning elders or pastors treated as moral failure.

Nigerian law

Freedom of expression

Right to question, criticise, dissent

No immunity for religious authority

👉 Law sides with the Bereans.

Ekklēsia. Voluntary assembly, not surveillance.

Greek:

ἐκκλησία (ekklēsia) — voluntary civic assembly

Nigerian contradiction

Church attendance enforced by:

family pressure

social surveillance

Nigerian law

Freedom of association

Attendance must be voluntary

No penalties for non-participation

👉 Law re-expresses ekklēsia in secular terms.

“Customary law.” Why it is not law — and why forcing it is punishable.

Customary law is often spoken of as if it were a parallel legal system equal to statutory or constitutional law. It is not.

There is no codified legal code for customary law for any of Nigeria’s:

371 tribes

260+ ethnic groups

No written statutes.
No unified jurisdiction.
No produced legal texts defining rights, procedures, offences, or penalties.

No one can produce a single complete legal code for “customary law” applicable even within one tribe, let alone nationally.

This reveals its true nature.

Customary law is not law.
It is a voluntary social system that operates only by consent.

It functions where:

all parties agree

participation is voluntary

exit is possible

The moment consent is removed, customary law ceases to exist as a legal concept.

A system with:

no codified rules

no enforceable neutrality

no guaranteed protections

cannot compel behaviour.

The legal boundary Nigerians routinely cross.

Here is the distinction ignored daily:

Customary law itself cannot be enforced

Forcing or manipulating people under the banner of “customary law” is legally enforceable against those who attempt it

The law does not recognise “customary law” as a power to compel adults.

It does recognise:

coercion

intimidation

fraud

undue influence

harassment

So when families attempt to force rituals, marriages, obedience, or compliance — they are not exercising customary law.

They are committing recognised legal acts, for which liability attaches to:

the family members involved

intermediaries who applied pressure

anyone who misrepresented law or consequences

Invoking “customary law” does not create authority.

It creates exposure.

The convergence with scripture and law.

This mirrors the same kill switch embedded in both systems:

Christianity voids tradition that nullifies justice

Nigerian law voids custom repugnant to natural justice

Custom survives only when it is:

chosen

harmless

non-coercive

Once forced, both systems reject it.

Final synthesis

Christianity’s original message is not anti-law.
Law is its secular translation.

Free will → consent

Agapē → voluntary obligation

Exousia → accountable authority

Conscience → legal capacity

Covenant → contract

Stewardship → rights

What is routinely violated in Nigeria is not Christianity alone.

It is:

Christian ethics

Federal law

State law

International human-rights law

All at once.

The system persists because:

culture enforces what law forbids

religion legitimises what scripture rejects

This is not belief vs unbelief.

It is:

Text + Law vs Social Control

And both the Bible and the Nigerian Constitution say the same thing:

Without consent, nothing is valid.

Kobojunkie:
Everyone of your Christian practices and Traditions stands in direct violation of that text. 🥱🥱🥱

Fenrir:
✓ Im atheist and im quoting the original Greek and Hebrew not translations of translations of translations. So get your facts right please.

Kobojunkie:
Everyone of your Christian practices and Traditions stands in direct violation of that text. 🥱🥱🥱

Fenrir:
✓ [size=6 pt] Little man, im going to explain the difference between me and you by telling you how im raising my daughter in Nigeria and the religious section ive posted on here before
☺️ and found a 7 month old staffy here.
First of all her safety and education are my number 1 priority.
She has 4 dogs that obey her every word and go EVERYWHERE she goes
1) this little mutt thing "the eyes"
2) a rottweiler "the body"
3) a Staffordshire bull terrier "the heart and soul
4) a border collie "the brain"

I removed the food drive from them

Kibble access 24/7
1 cooked meal per day "Whatever meat i get that day, vegetables and then the ancient black rice"
Liver jerky I make myself and all they need to do is ask
Someone can throw steak or anything and they will not care at all
I imprinted them onto her
Shes the reward, just being around her and protecting her and obeying her is the reward
Shes the master and above me, im just the owner "vet bills and food"
Her economy
I want to explain the allowance and learning system I’ve set up for hilda so you understand why it is structured this way. It’s not spoiling it’s designed to teach responsibility, independence, and real-world skills safely.
1️⃣ Universal Basic Allowance (UBI)
She receives £50 per month, guaranteed, no matter what. "Around 90,000 naira"
This is her economic foundation, giving her autonomy safely at age 8.
2️⃣ Merit-Based Incentives
Positive actions add to her allowance:
Doing what’s right = +10%
Helping without being asked = +10%
Creative or ethical actions that make dad proud = +100%
These bonuses stack and reset monthly.
3️⃣ Consequences for Negative Actions
Misbehavior or breaking rules subtracts from bonus earnings:
Minor bad behavior = -10%
Bullying = -10%
Major disappointment/breaking the social contract = -100%
The guaranteed £50 never goes below zero, ensuring safety.
4️⃣ Pet Responsibility
She chose micro hamsters. I provide the cage, substrate, and water.
She is responsible for care, cleaning, food, and toys.
This teaches empathy, routine, accountability, and observation.
5️⃣ Resource Management & Creative Learning
She purchased a second-hand food dehydrator to preserve fruit and vegetables.
She supplements the hamsters’ diet with dehydrated food and hamster pellets (costing the equivalent of ~£1.50/month).
She learned nutrition, resource efficiency, and planning.
For toys, she selects materials from my workshop and participates in building them.
Labor for toys is rewarded with small treats (e.g., jelly babies), teaching work reward, bartering, and the value of labor.
6️⃣ Micro-Economy & Civic Lessons
She has a garden allotment: whatever she grows can be sold to neighbors at low prices, with unsold items bought by me.
Earnings above the £50 UBI are taxed 14% into a fund for her first car, teaching civic contribution and delayed gratification.
She must save 5% minimum of any extra earnings, building financial responsibility and a backup fund.
7️⃣ Key Life Skills Learned
Decision-making & accountability
Resource & financial management
Ethics, responsibility, and civic duty
Entrepreneurship and understanding markets
Delayed gratification and planning for future needs
Creative problem solving and labor value
Summary:
This system gives her the economic power of an adult safely, and allows her to learn responsibility, ethics, and real-world skills long before she reaches adolescence. It is not spoiling, but a structured way to teach independence, empathy, and literary
If you are a mathematician then you should understand

She "asked to be Christian" so her atheist dad is teaching her real Christianity
Free will. In Galatians 5:13, the Greek reads
“τῇ ἐλευθερίᾳ ᾑλεὐθερώθητε, ἀλλ’ μὴ τὴν ἐλευθερίαν εἰς σάρκα ἐκμεταλλευόμενοι, ἀλλ’ δι’ ἀγάπην ἀλλήλους δουλεύετε” “For you were called to freedom, brothers and sisters, only do not use your freedom for selfish purposes but through love serve one another.”
The word ἐλευθερία (eleutheria) emphasizes voluntary choice. People are encouraged to live ethically (ἀρετή, arete) and follow conscience. The concept of eternal punishment as coercion is not in the earliest texts. Gehenna (γέεννα) appears in the gospels as a moral consequence, not as a threat to force belief.
Fear, control, and dominance. Jesus’ ministry focused on teaching (διδάσκω, didasko), helping, and healing (θεραπεύω, therapeuo). He never sought political power in the earliest gospels. Matthew 10:8 states
“θεραπεύετε ἀσθενεῖς, καθαρίζετε λεπρούς, ἐγείρετε νεκρούς” “Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead.”
This shows voluntary service, not domination. Historical expansions through empires came centuries later.
Imposing religion. The Greek command μαθητεύσατε (matheteusate) in Matthew 28:19 literally means “make disciples” in the sense of teaching and mentoring. Mark 1:15 reads
“μετανοεῖτε καὶ πιστεύετε ἐν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ” “Repent and believe in the gospel,” which is an invitation, not a forced command.
Tribal laws and cultural superiority. When the text discusses sinful ways (ἁμαρτία, hamartia), it refers to moral failings like theft, murder, or injustice, not entire cultures. Matthew 15:11 states
“οὐ τὸ εἰσερχόμενον εἰς τὸ στόμα κοινοῖ τὸν ἄνθρωπον, ἀλλὰ τὸ ἐκπορευόμενον ἐκ τοῦ στόματος τοῦ ἀνθρώπου” “It is not what enters the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth.”
Jesus interacts with different groups without demanding they abandon their culture.
Spiritual truth and cultural dominance. Christianity in the original writings is a personal ethical path. Luke 9:23 reads
“εἶπεν δὲ πρὸς πάντας· ἐὰν θέλη τις ὀπίσω μου ἔρχεσθαι, ἀπαρνησάσθω ἑαυτὸν καὶ ἀράτω τὸν σταυρὸν αὐτοῦ καθ’ ἡμέραν καὶ ἀκολουθείτω μοι” “If anyone wants to come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow me.”
The verb ἀκολουθείτω (akoloutheo) emphasizes voluntary personal following, not cultural domination.

Free will and freedom of conscience. Romans 14:5-6 reads
“ἕκαστος ἑαυτῷ πείθεται ἐν τῇ διανοίᾳ αὐτοῦ” “Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.”
The Greek word συνείδησις (suneidesis) stresses personal responsibility. Following teachings is voluntary. Coercion and punishment appear only later, not in the original texts.

Rights to choose, think, speak, and worship. 1 Corinthians 10:29 states
“οὐ τὸν ἄνθρωπον ἀνακρίνω” “I am not judging the person.”
Acts 17:11 praises the Bereans
“εἰσὶν δὲ ἐπουράνιοι ἐξετάζοντες τὰς γραφάς καθ’ ἡμέραν” “They examined the Scriptures every day.”
Individuals are encouraged to study and decide for themselves. There is no mandate to enforce obedience or suppress thought.

Crusades and persecution. The earliest manuscripts contain no instructions to use violence. Matthew 5:16 reads
“οὕτως λαμψάτω τὸ φῶς ὑμῶν ἔμπροσθεν τῶν ἀνθρώπων” “Let your light shine before others.”
The original emphasis is on teaching, guidance, and building community through example. Historical crusades, forced conversions, and persecution came centuries later.

When you strip away centuries of political influence, cultural overlays, and human errors, the original message of the Bible is clear. It is an invitation to live a life of personal ἀρετή (virtue) and voluntary service (δουλεύετε). The texts emphasize the right to think independently (Romans 14:5) and the need for personal commitment (Luke 9:23). Historical abuses like the Crusades or forced conversions are later deviations and have no foundation in the earliest manuscripts. Claims that the Bible’s original purpose was coercion, control, or cultural dominance are not supported by its own Greek and Hebrew words.
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Fella before shes 12 she will be an ethical ceo alpha warrior monk with her own pack
Basically unstoppable
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Kobojunkie:
None of this has anything to do with the topic of marriage and submission under religion. Please focus on those here. Again, as I said, the ideas put forward by pretty much all religions regarding mirage tend to mirror local traditional motions of marriage and submission for women in most every detail. 🤔🤔

Kobojunkie:
None of this has anything to do with the topic of marriage and submission under religion. Please focus on those here. Again, as I said, the ideas put forward by pretty much all religions regarding mirage tend to mirror local traditional motions of marriage and submission for women in most every detail. 🤔🤔

Fenrir:
✓ Actually read the greek and explanations not just skip past it in arrogance and 6 foot? Ok little man grow another 7 inches and we'll be equals

Kobojunkie:
Nothing of what I stated hinted at the language of the text being of issue, so I am uncertain why you keep pushing the Greek in my face as though it changes anything.🥱🥱🥱

Go back and reread what I have written to get a clear understanding of what I said and how nothing of what you wrote connects still. 🥱🥱🥱

Fenrir:
✓ Yes it does, if you cared about your kids then you would not want them submitting to anyone at all, and original Christianity was about free choice and voluntary service NOT submission

Kobojunkie:
I care about my kids but this discussion has nothing to do with them so, let's focus.

2. Service first requires submission which if you reason it carefully makes sense. But in your bid to distance yourself from the lives wore,you hastily ignore this element. If I wish to serve someone, I must submit myself to something in order to accomplish that. Christians believe the husband is the head over a wife -- the one she submits to -- in order to serve him. 🥱🥱

Single women do not have husbands hence they are not supposed to submit to any man. That should ordinarily be the case, however, the same religion instead set their gods of men -- pastors, popes, GOs, etc., -- as heads/gods to whom women should submit to aka serve. Literally, no woman is exempt from having a man over her head in that religion like all other religions out there. (Not much different from traditional ideas where no woman is ever free of the monitoring of men.) 🥱🥱

Fenrir:
✓ None of you are Christian thats the point. None of you practice Christianity at all take the devil as an example = didn't exist in Christianity it was 3 separate ideas that were merged together when a corrupted version became popular.
✓ My point is... learn the origins before you criticise and judge that goes for your "cultures and traditions as well" none of it is traditional in religion or culture its all watered down and 1 sided hypocrite modern interpretations. And when it comes to Nigeria its a huge cascade effect happening.

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't need to be a Christian to realize the fraud that is Christianity and all other religions out there. 🥱🥱🥱

2. I definitely know the origins of Christianity and know for a fact that it is not directly or indirectly connected with the people written about in that book of books called the Bible.

Christianity or the origins of it was born out of a need by Romans of the time to fraudulently use the popularity of a group once despised by the Romans to usurp power in Rome. And that is what happened. What you have today is the result of another attempt made by those referred to as Protestants to usurp power for themselves from the vast power that existed only to those in Rome back in the 1600s 🥱🥱🥱

Fenrir:
✓ Nice AI use fella. But the misunderstanding is happening because im talking original Christianity
✓ Voluntary service No submission Question everything
✓ You are talking the modern corruptions, if you cant see the bigger picture and identify WHEN cultures started corrupting it to submission this debate is pointless.

Fenrir:
✓ In reality it had nothing to do with Romans. Christianity is an offshoot of the Jewish faith. Christ was a Jew and Christians are not the same religion as him. They are followers of Christ "his teachings but not of the same belief"
✓ Judaism 🔜 Christianity 🔜 Islam
The 3 Abrahamic religions and it all starts with "ze jews"

Kobojunkie:
1. . But I don't use Ai. I literally type out every word I can and use text correction to correct my spelling mistakes where possible. It seems to me either your AI plagiarism detector is broken --- also think you are too obsessed with it -- or you are not configuring it correctly.

2. Voluntary service is also a.form of submission. Either you are submitting to the terms set by the organization you volunteer with or you submit to some inner desire of yours to serve others believing it is good that counts towards something bigger than yourself. Again, service/slavery is born from submission. 🥱🥱

3. There is nothing like modern corruption. The religion has been corrupt from its beginnings -- the very first non-israelites who took it on themselves to high Jack the ideas espoused by the original Israelites for the purpose of their own benefit and greed in Rome -- it was all political from its beginnings. 🥱🥱