₦airaland Forum

kayjordan:
War may happen if Nigeria doesn't agree to separatist's demand and if separatists forge ahead with the idea.

If family ideologies are easier to manage as you say - then one would have to see that happen in real life.

But what I just want to make clear for the meantime is: separatists should suspend separation ideas and see how they can manage the Nigerian situation. If they can't tolerate the situation, they are free to leave Nigeria and live in any part of the world as it's legal.

Separation may complicate matters more except if lawmakers consolidate to make legal changes which may be very difficult to achieve with a country with differing ideologies from separatist's.

They suspended the idea for decades and tried to do what you are asking and this is the Nigeria of today, you think separatists are just a few people, my entire region wants to leave Nigeria and be on their own, so how do you expect my whole region to leave Nigeria?

Secondly, who are the people who will fight against my region leaving Nigeria ?

Exactly, the separatist idea has long been suspended.

Also, not everybody in your region want to leave. Some want stay in Nigeria because of their investments, some want to separate and some just want to travel out and get a green card in another country and never return.

So, your entire region is likely not to leave Nigeria - just a few.

The people who will fight against your region leaving are those that don't share your ideology and those that understand the constitution.

Brendaniel:
They suspended the idea for decades and tried to do what you are asking and this is the Nigeria of today, you think separatists are just a few people, my entire region wants to leave Nigeria and be on their own, so how do you expect my whole region to leave Nigeria?

Secondly, who are the people who will fight against my region leaving Nigeria ?

kayjordan:
Exactly, the separatist idea has long been suspended.

Also, not everybody in your region want to leave. Some want stay in Nigeria because of their investments, some want to separate and some just want to travel out and get a green card in another country and never return.

So, your entire region is likely not to leave Nigeria - just a few.

The people who will fight against your region leaving are those that don't share your ideology and those that understand the constitution.

you seem not to understand what separation and leaving Nigeria means...

In my own understanding, separation is when you denounce your nationality as a Nigerian.

Leaving the country is when you travel out of Nigeria to live temporarily or permanently in a foreign land without denouncing your nationality. That's what I implied earlier.

What I quoted was: in place of separating, you can travel out of the country just as every nigerian does and become a diasporan.


What is your ideology? Just give me a summary.

Brendaniel:
you seem not to understand what separation and leaving Nigeria means...

kayjordan:
In my own understanding, separation is when you denounce your nationality as a Nigerian.

Leaving the country is when you travel out of Nigeria to live temporarily or permanently in a foreign land without denouncing your nationality. That's what I implied earlier.

What I quoted was: in place of separating, you can travel out of the country just as every nigerian does and become a diasporan.


What is your ideology? Just give me a summary.

Leaving Nigeria doesn't mean leaving the geographical space called Nigeria but leaving everything that has to do with being a Nigerian, So no investment loss or anything, it will just be like a Nigerian living in Ghana with his investments but not as a Ghanian citizen, that's what I mean by leaving Nigeria, you think if the Igbos achieve Biafra today that they will leave Nigeria, no

And even if they are forcefully told to leave there must be full compensation for any investment they have in Nigeria...


And so I can confidently tell you that more than 90% of the Igbos want to leave Nigeria...

Well, if one wants to leave Nigeria and everything that has to do with it, then it's a safer option.

Obviously, some igbos will still stay in Nigeria if they ever achieve their mission - but they won't bear the country's nationality anymore.

You still haven't told me your ideology?

Brendaniel:
Leaving Nigeria doesn't mean leaving the geographical space called Nigeria but leaving everything that has to do with being a Nigerian, So no investment loss or anything, it will just be like a Nigerian living in Ghana with his investments but not as a Ghanian citizen, that's what I mean by leaving Nigeria, you think if the Igbos achieve Biafra today that they will leave Nigeria, no

And even if they are forcefully told to leave there must be full compensation for any investment they have in Nigeria...


And so I can confidently tell you that more than 90% of the Igbos want to leave Nigeria...

kayjordan:
Well, if one wants to leave Nigeria and everything that has to do with it, then it's a safer option.

Obviously, some igbos will still stay in Nigeria if they ever achieve their mission - but they won't bear the country's nationality anymore.

You still haven't told me your ideology?

That's one of the major points, So we can have our own separate government with our own laws and military...

If you are asking for my ideology, I'm just thinking of how i will answer that because it is a way of life, let me just make it simple for you, majority of Yorubas don't behave like igbos and vice versa, same with the north, it's the ideology that causes people to behave the way they behave, so we are not the same in Nigeria, we are people of different ideologies and most times these ideologies are at conflict with each other...

That's why Nigeria is not united, what an average yoruba man wants from and for Nigeria is not what and average igbo man wants, same with the north, so there is no common goal, unity cannot be achieved like that, and once there is no unity, there is no love and once there is no love, conflict arises easily...

That's the Nigeria of today...

Interesting!

I acknowledge your all your facts. The Igbos have a unique ideology and even though you do not want to go into details, I would think - the Igbos had a rather over-ambitious ideology that wasn't healthy for the country.

The other tribes had relatively good relations except the Igbos.

That doesn't mean other tribes don't have differing ideologies too, but somewhat, they have been able to work as a family for decades.

So, if ALL against ONE is the formula - then that probably hints us where Nigeria's division started from - and thus the creation of sentiments that Nigeria isn't meant to be together.

Brendaniel:
That's one of the major points, So we can have our own separate government with our own laws and military...

If you are asking for my ideology, I'm just thinking of how i will answer that because it is a way of life, let me just make it simple for you, majority of Yorubas don't behave like igbos and vice versa, same with the north, it's the ideology that causes people to behave the way they behave, so we are not the same in Nigeria, we are people of different ideologies and most times these ideologies are at conflict with each other...

That's why Nigeria is not united, what an average yoruba man wants from and for Nigeria is not what and average igbo man wants, same with the north, so there is no common goal, unity cannot be achieved like that, and once there is no unity, there is no love and once there is no love, conflict arises easily...

That's the Nigeria of today...

kayjordan:
Interesting!

I acknowledge your all your facts. The Igbos have a unique ideology and even though you do not want to go into details, I would think - the Igbos had a rather over-ambitious ideology that wasn't healthy for the country.

The other tribes had relatively good relations except the Igbos.

That doesn't mean other tribes don't have differing ideologies too, but somewhat, they have been able to work as a family for decades.

So, if ALL against ONE is the formula - then that probably hints us where Nigeria's division started from - and thus the creation of sentiments that Nigeria isn't meant to be together.

If that's how you see it, that's on you, that's not how I see it and not how most Igbos see it, reason why there is no need staying together with people who may never reason with the igbos and vice versa, you see why i said our ideologies are not the same, I would rather share country with people who reason and think the way i think, people who share my kind of ideology because it is easier to cooperate, solve issues, move forward and have less conflict....

That's why I look at all the nonsense being done in the country in the name of politics or democracy, I just laugh and shake my head, presently i prefer the military rule to this so called nonsense they tag here as democracy, I've experienced both so no need to tell me how the military rule is, I experienced 3 military governments in succession before democracy so, so i had years of experience on what it is like, but I can tell you that it is far better than the nonsense they are calling democracy in Nigeria today...

Why I won't work towards having a military rule is because it only fixes the problem temporarily but the problem might keep existing, the only way maybe is if the military rule stays without interruption for like 100 years straight, that may likely help.

But for now Separation is the best and fastest solution.

The nonsense you're experiencing in the country is similar to Miltary rule.

The military rule was what led to the fight for a democratic government - so if the military rule was perfect, then there shouldn't have been any need for series of protests against the military.

Your clamour for a military government may simply be a reaction to a fact "your ideal candidate who shares your ideology" didn't win 2023 election.

Separation as your last option, can only be achieved by you as an "Individual". Separation is a long journey - so differing individuals can separate themselves by applying for visas to any country of their choice.

Also note that the eastern region is part of Nigeria's territory and therefore, the eastern land belongs to Nigeria.

Brendaniel:
If that's how you see it, that's on you, that's not how I see it and not how most Igbos see it, reason why there is no need staying together with people who may never reason with the igbos and vice versa, you see why i said our ideologies are not the same, I would rather share country with people who reason and think the way i think, people who share my kind of ideology because it is easier to cooperate, solve issues, move forward and have less conflict....

That's why I look at all the nonsense being done in the country in the name of politics or democracy, I just laugh and shake my head, presently i prefer the military rule to this so called nonsense they tag here as democracy, I've experienced both so no need to tell me how the military rule is, I experienced 3 military governments in succession before democracy so, so i had years of experience on what it is like, but I can tell you that it is far better than the nonsense they are calling democracy in Nigeria today...

Why I won't work towards having a military rule is because it only fixes the problem temporarily but the problem might keep existing, the only way maybe is if the military rule stays without interruption for like 100 years straight, that may likely help.

But for now Separation is the best and fastest solution.

kayjordan:
The nonsense you're experiencing in the country is similar to Miltary rule.

The military rule was what led to the fight for a democratic government - so if the military rule was perfect, then there shouldn't have been any need for series of protests against the military.

Your clamour for a military government may simply be a reaction to a fact "your ideal candidate who shares your ideology" didn't win 2023 election.

Separation as your last option, can only be achieved by you as an "Individual". Separation is a long journey - so differing individuals can separate themselves by applying for visas to any country of their choice.

Also note that the eastern region is part of Nigeria's territory and therefore, the eastern land belongs to Nigeria.

You see why Nigeria should not be one, read your comment and read mine, what you want for a country is not what I want for a country, what your people want is not what my people want.

Why do you want Igbo land to be part of Nigeria?

And why do you want Igbos to be part of Nigeria?

The reason Nigeria wants Igbo to be part of Nigeria is legal:

1. The eastern region is part of Nigeria's geography.

2. The constitution protects the geography of Nigeria.

3. Unsolicited separation from Nigeria is illegal.


The only alternatives are if:

1. Nigeria agrees to it.

2. The easterners ask for a separation the legal way.


For now, the easterners can find solace in other countries of choice while their dream isn't realistic at the moment.

Brendaniel:
You see why Nigeria should not be one, read your comment and read mine, what you want for a country is not what I want for a country, what your people want is not what my people want.

Why do you want Igbo land to be part of Nigeria?

And why do you want Igbos to be part of Nigeria?

kayjordan:
The reason Nigeria wants Igbo to be part of Nigeria is legal:

1. The eastern region is part of Nigeria's geography.

2. The constitution protects the geography of Nigeria.

3. Unsolicited separation from Nigeria is illegal.


The only alternatives are if:

1. Nigeria agrees to it.

2. The easterners ask for a separation the legal way.


For now, the easterners can find solace in other countries of choice while their dream isn't realistic at the moment.

What is your own reason?

I share the same reason as the Constitution.

Personally, i think it's would look funny to see a map of Nigeria change after so many years.

Brendaniel:
What is your own reason?

kayjordan:
I share the same reason as the Constitution.

Personally, i think it's would look funny to see a map of Nigeria change after so many years.

You can't share the same reason with the constitution, the constitution does not have feelings, So you are more bothered about the map of Nigeria than the peace of Nigeria?

The constitution is greater than any living thing. Kindly note.

Peace is what organisations like the UN have been managing in the world - so it's a global issue.

The issue with Nigeria is rooted in one region's desire over the others. While this can create disunity, it's remains the responsibility of Nigeria as a country, to protect it's peace.

If the peace isn't manageable, an amendment of the constitution would have been advocated for long ago. But for internal security reasons and a desire to "remain together" , the "No separation" has remained upheld.


What agitators must know is: forceful separation will not work - the system is structured not to allow that.


Many Igbos are quite relaxed in Nigeria and that is why they have always participated in Nigerian politics either by contesting or voting.

So your opinion may not totally represent the opinion of the entire igbo population.

I'm concerned about about the law as much as I'm concerned about the map of Nigeria.

Brendaniel:
You can't share the same reason with the constitution, the constitution does not have feelings, So you are more bothered about the map of Nigeria than the peace of Nigeria?

kayjordan:
The constitution is greater than any living thing. Kindly note.

Peace is what organisations like the UN have been managing in the world - so it's a global issue.

The issue with Nigeria is rooted in one region's desire over the others. While this can create disunity, it's remains the responsibility of Nigeria as a country, to protect it's peace.

If the peace isn't manageable, an amendment of the constitution would have been advocated for long ago. But for internal security reasons and a desire to "remain together" , the "No separation" has remained upheld.


What agitators must know is: forceful separation will not work - the system is structured not to allow that.


Many Igbos are quite relaxed in Nigeria and that is why they have always participated in Nigerian politics either by contesting or voting.

So your opinion may not totally represent the opinion of the entire igbo population.

I'm concerned about about the law as much as I'm concerned about the map of Nigeria.

The constitution is not greater than any living thing, constitution that was written by men who are not perfect, you are already equating the constitution with God, if the constitution can be written by men, it can also be destroyed by men, so the constitution can never be greater than any living thing....

Then you are also telling me indirectly that it is better to keep the unity of Nigeria and not have peace than to divide Nigeria and have peace...

The more you talk the more I see the reason why Nigeria is the way it is today, your type are people supporting the destruction of Nigeria claiming you love the country....

And I will tell you why if you want to know...

No one is above the law - so, when a constitution is created, it is expected that nobody be greater than it. Even if created by men.

The constitution is a physical/secular representation of God's laws. So, as you obey the bible (created by men), you are advised even by the religious institutions to obey the laws of the constitution and also your leaders who execute the law.


If you see division as your peaceful resolution - then it's your candid view. I only see a country that is currently managing it's differences. As long as the laws of the constitution remains supreme over you and your opinion, you only have ONE option of peace: TOLERANCE.

Please tell me how my type supports destruction in Nigeria - It would be interesting to know?

Brendaniel:
The constitution is not greater than any living thing, constitution that was written by men who are not perfect, you are already equating the constitution with God, if the constitution can be written by men, it can also be destroyed by men, so the constitution can never be greater than any living thing....

Then you are also telling me indirectly that it is better to keep the unity of Nigeria and not have peace than to divide Nigeria and have peace...

The more you talk the more I see the reason why Nigeria is the way it is today, your type are people supporting the destruction of Nigeria claiming you love the country....

And I will tell you why if you want to know...

kayjordan:
No one is above the law - so, when a constitution is created, it is expected that nobody be greater than it. Even if created by men.

The constitution is a physical/secular representation of God's laws. So, as you obey the bible (created by men), you are advised even by the religious institutions to obey the laws of the constitution and also your leaders who execute the law.


If you see division as your peaceful resolution - then it's your candid view. I only see a country that is currently managing it's differences. As long as the laws of the constitution remains supreme over you and your opinion, you only have ONE option of peace: TOLERANCE.

Please tell me how my type supports destruction in Nigeria - It would be interesting to know?

Never you ever say that the constitution is the physical representation of the laws of God, do you know the laws of God?

So you think because men wrote the Bible then it was a creation of man's thoughts?

So you are telling me that what was created by men cannot be destroyed by men?

As long as as it was men who wrote the constitution it can also be destroyed by men to the last letter?


Are you trying to say that those who wrote the constitution are superior to you and me, why should I abide to something that doesn't conform to my ideology, I have every right to resist it, the same way you will resist it if you were in the north and the Shariah constitution orders for you to be beheaded for blasphemy or simply eating when they were fasting, is it not part of the Nigerian constitution for the Shariah states?

Are you going to accept to be beheaded because it is the constitution?

Listen to yourself, why don't you apply the TOLERANCE you talked about up there?

You people hate been realistic, that's why you guys are destroying Nigeria, look at the Nigeria of today, does it look like what normal human beings are governing with the leaders having supporters like you?

The bible was written by men with the inspiration of God as reported.

Men overtime, have changed the chapters of the bible and even modified them to suit their sentiments.

The constitution is a representation of God's law, for God's laws (commandments) forms the foundation for constitutions globally.


Because men created the bible and the constitution - it can be amended and certainly destroyed by men. Change is constant.


The people who wrote the constitution are not superior to you and they are not what matters - but rather the "ideas" that these people put down and agreed upon - is what matters the most. So pay attention to the the texts men write , not the the writers themselves.


Everyone has the right to freedom of expression or rights to a certain standard of living or religion. If your country's laws don't sit well with you because it's Sharia law and you feel the Sharia law will behead you if you advocate for a separation, then the choice is ultimately yours.


You cannot change the laws of your country because - those laws have been agreed upon and passed. The only way to change the law - is to get others who support your view and advocate for an amendment or an abolishment of some laws - but doing it on your own is a suicide mission for yourself and like taking laws into your own hands.


You can never be realistic with emotions - but only with acceptance of existing facts.


I'm more of an interpreter of the facts on ground than a supporter.

Brendaniel:
Never you ever say that the constitution is the physical representation of the laws of God, do you know the laws of God?

So you think because men wrote the Bible then it was a creation of man's thoughts?

So you are telling me that what was created by men cannot be destroyed by men?

As long as as it was men who wrote the constitution it can also be destroyed by men to the last letter?


Are you trying to say that those who wrote the constitution are superior to you and me, why should I abide to something that doesn't conform to my ideology, I have every right to resist it, the same way you will resist it if you were in the north and the Shariah constitution orders for you to be beheaded for blasphemy or simply eating when they were fasting, is it not part of the Nigerian constitution for the Shariah states?

Are you going to accept to be beheaded because it is the constitution?

Listen to yourself, why don't you apply the TOLERANCE you talked about up there?

You people hate been realistic, that's why you guys are destroying Nigeria, look at the Nigeria of today, does it look like what normal human beings are governing with the leaders having supporters like you?

kayjordan:
The bible was written by men with the inspiration of God as reported.

Men overtime, have changed the chapters of the bible and even modified them to suit their sentiments.

The constitution is a representation of God's law, for God's laws (commandments) forms the foundation for constitutions globally.


Because men created the bible and the constitution - it can be amended and certainly destroyed by men. Change is constant.


The people who wrote the constitution are not superior to you and they are not what matters - but rather the "ideas" that these people put down and agreed upon - is what matters the most. So pay attention to the the texts men write , not the the writers themselves.


Everyone has the right to freedom of expression or rights to a certain standard of living or religion. If your country's laws don't sit well with you because it's Sharia law and you feel the Sharia law will behead you if you advocate for a separation, then the choice is ultimately yours.


You cannot change the laws of your country because - those laws have been agreed upon and passed. The only way to change the law - is to get others who support your view and advocate for an amendment or an abolishment of some laws - but doing it on your own is a suicide mission for yourself and like taking laws into your own hands.


You can never be realistic with emotions - but only with acceptance of existing facts.


I'm more of an interpreter of the facts on ground than a supporter.

I'm not here to change the laws of Nigeria, I'm here to either dissolve Nigeria or give those who want to continue or not with the option of being Nigerian or having their own country, the only time total dissolution will be the target is when those who want to continue being Nigerian refuse to mind their business and behave themselves like normal human beings should do, then Nigeria will completely cease to exist...


My mission is to give tribes in Nigeria the choice to choose if they wish to be Nigerians or not or have their own country, I'm not going to force anybody or any tribe to decide what they want or who they want to live with through referendums, the only people who will be forced will be those who want war instead of peace...

Because all I want are peaceful referendum for all tribes in Nigeria.

If men created the constitution, men can also destroy it, the same way men gathered to create it, men can gather to destroy it, it has been happening it is not new even great empires have fallen and Nigeria is not exempted either as a country...

And lastly what are the laws of God that you keep talking about?

That's a bold statement that you've made about separation of Nigeria. 


Your mission to separate Nigeria should be quite clear to you that - it may happen in the 2nd or 3rd generation and not now that you're advocating for it. It's better to focus your energy on yourself or your career and disembark from a journey that may never materialise or -worse case scenerio - that may make you a sacrificial lamb. 


A referendum is a peaceful strategy that requires patience and a group of supporters and in most cases - it may require passing on the baton. But if you and supporters aren't willing to be patient enough and you desire to use force, it will backfire according to the law.


Men created the constitution and they can amend it and also destroy it. Even the chapters of the bible have been amended overtime and even some Christians have pulled out of Christianity to join islam and some Christians have separated from other Christians to form their own denomination - but they still use the same laws of the bible - just different interpretation.


The laws of God I'm writing about are the 10 commandments and other laws in the bible. 

Brendaniel:
I'm not here to change the laws of Nigeria, I'm here to either dissolve Nigeria or give those who want to continue or not with the option of being Nigerian or having their own country, the only time total dissolution will be the target is when those who want to continue being Nigerian refuse to mind their business and behave themselves like normal human beings should do, then Nigeria will completely cease to exist...


My mission is to give tribes in Nigeria the choice to choose if they wish to be Nigerians or not or have their own country, I'm not going to force anybody or any tribe to decide what they want or who they want to live with through referendums, the only people who will be forced will be those who want war instead of peace...

Because all I want are peaceful referendum for all tribes in Nigeria.

If men created the constitution, men can also destroy it, the same way men gathered to create it, men can gather to destroy it, it has been happening it is not new even great empires have fallen and Nigeria is not exempted either as a country...

And lastly what are the laws of God that you keep talking about?

kayjordan:
That's a bold statement that you've made about separation of Nigeria. 


Your mission to separate Nigeria should be quite clear to you that - it may happen in the 2nd or 3rd generation and not now that you're advocating for it. It's better to focus your energy on yourself or your career and disembark from a journey that may never materialise or -worse case scenerio - that may make you a sacrificial lamb. 


A referendum is a peaceful strategy that requires patience and a group of supporters and in most cases - it may require passing on the baton. But if you and supporters aren't willing to be patient enough and you desire to use force, it will backfire according to the law.


Men created the constitution and they can amend it and also destroy it. Even the chapters of the bible have been amended overtime and even some Christians have pulled out of Christianity to join islam and some Christians have separated from other Christians to form their own denomination - but they still use the same laws of the bible - just different interpretation.


The laws of God I'm writing about are the 10 commandments and other laws in the bible.

From your write up, you are neither here nor there, You say I should focus on my life and career, you think I'm a jobless person or don't have any other thing doing?

The mistake I notice you Tinubu supporters make is thinking that anyone who complains about Nigeria is either poor or jobless and when you look at that type of thinking deeply you know partly why Nigeria is where it is today, it is a very selfish and self centered thinking...

So if your own is good you shouldn't fight for others who are going through a lot because of bad of governance?

Then you talk about my mission, there is a saying by Nelson Mandela that goes like : It always seems impossible until it's done - Nelson Mandela

But for me, I'll say: Some may see it as impossible, then someone does it.

If I may ask, what type of Nigeria do you desire?

Pardon me if you think i misjudged you. What I meant by "put energy/focus into yourself and career"  is - instead of embarking on a time consuming journey, you should continue with your life as an individual - be it your job or other things that matter to you. 


Your agitation is a selfless act - I quite understand - but you are different (Unique) - unlike many Nigerians that just want to mind their businesses and focus on their families instead. 

Unlike the image you've created about Tinubu's supporters assuming critics of his administration are poor or jobless, cannot be totally accurate - as i didn't have that initial impression. 


I respect the fact that persons regardless of financial status, should fight for the voiceless. The government needs good opposition - but not an unhealthy one.


The Mandela quote you put down is significant - but it doesn't change the existing facts on ground. It's worth trying if you may....but what ultimately matters is continuity - will the grandchildren of agitators keep up the fight?


And persons have tried this agitation severally - so it's been done contrary to your comment - but still look at the result of their actions so far - one can obviously see that the struggle may require hard continuity. 


You asked what Nigeria I desire? - I do not desire anything for Nigeria beyond a cooperative government (civil servants), cooperative citizens and a centralisation of Nigeria's cultures and regional natural resources for the general good  - once these are established as a foundation, it will be easier to create infrastructure, improve the economy afterwards. 


So in summary - I want a working Nigeria - not a sabotaged one.

Brendaniel:
From your write up, you are neither here nor there, You say I should focus on my life and career, you think I'm a jobless person or don't have any other thing doing?

The mistake I notice you Tinubu supporters make is thinking that anyone who complains about Nigeria is either poor or jobless and when you look at that type of thinking deeply you know partly why Nigeria is where it is today, it is a very selfish and self centered thinking...

So if your own is good you shouldn't fight for others who are going through a lot because of bad of governance?

Then you talk about my mission, there is a saying by Nelson Mandela that goes like : It always seems impossible until it's done - Nelson Mandela

But for me, I'll say: Some may see it as impossible, then someone does it.

If I may ask, what type of Nigeria do you desire?

kayjordan:
Pardon me if you think i misjudged you. What I meant by "put energy/focus into yourself and career"  is - instead of embarking on a time consuming journey, you should continue with your life as an individual - be it your job or other things that matter to you. 


Your agitation is a selfless act - I quite understand - but you are different (Unique) - unlike many Nigerians that just want to mind their businesses and focus on their families instead. 

Unlike the image you've created about Tinubu's supporters assuming critics of his administration are poor or jobless, cannot be totally accurate - as i didn't have that initial impression. 


I respect the fact that persons regardless of financial status, should fight for the voiceless. The government needs good opposition - but not an unhealthy one.


The Mandela quote you put down is significant - but it doesn't change the existing facts on ground. It's worth trying if you may....but what ultimately matters is continuity - will the grandchildren of agitators keep up the fight?


And persons have tried this agitation severally - so it's been done contrary to your comment - but still look at the result of their actions so far - one can obviously see that the struggle may require hard continuity. 


You asked what Nigeria I desire? - I do not desire anything for Nigeria beyond a cooperative government (civil servants), cooperative citizens and a centralisation of Nigeria's cultures and regional natural resources for the general good  - once these are established as a foundation, it will be easier to create infrastructure, improve the economy afterwards. 


So in summary - I want a working Nigeria - not a sabotaged one.

It seems like you don't really understand me.

1. I am not here to fight the government except the government decides to prove stubborn or fight me.

2. Tinubu supporters here are fond of trying to gaslight critics of Tinubu's government with the jobless line.

3. The fight is not really a fight and not just an agitation and does not have to be continuous to be passed from generation to generation, it's actually just doing the right thing, I'm here to do the right thing, if doing the right thing may cause some people to fight me, I'll fight back, but I'm only here to do the right thing, Nigeria was not supposed to be a country and I'm here to correct that.

4. That others have tried something and failed does not mean you will also fail trying the same thing, in many cases people who break records are not usually the first people to try.

About your desire for Nigeria, You don't seem to understand Nigeria, when you understand Nigeria you may likely start thinking in the direction I'm thinking to do to Nigeria, I used to be even maybe more patriotic than you are to Nigeria and very desirous about seeing Nigeria work.

If only you know what you are up against, you will know the route I am taking is the easier path to having your own country that works, and lastly if you are a Tinubu supporter then you don't desire a better Nigeria, you are only deceiving yourself, Tinubu is the biggest saboteur currently living as a citizen in Nigeria.

I'm trying to understand you...


You say: you're not trying to fight the government but if the government proves stubborn, you will fight back  - Note that: The government called Nigeria with the three regions in one, is a recognised legal entity - and you also are a legal entity - Nigeria as an entity has the right to defend it territory - and you as a citizen/entity, have the right to protect your rights.


The tinubu supporter's alleged behaviour of thinking critics are jobless remains an opinion. 


Your fight is a long and big fight - and may require generations. Fighting the government has two meanings : War or Peaceful Protest. You say, you're not intending to wage war except if provoked. The stage of getting provoked, should be avoided - because the government is much bigger than a single entity or group.


A peaceful protest also, will be seen as treason - and the government will not allow it.


If you approach international organisations to uphold your fight for a separation - they may consider your application faintly - and you would have to prove to them why your country isn't meant to be together. 


Saying Nigeria isn't meant to be together is probably fuelled by your orientation. Countries of the world were initially referred to lands, kingdoms and empires - and historically they were never called countries until civilisation came and some of these lands and kingdoms merged to form countries that we know today.



It's just like saying America isn't meant to be a country because it was first inhabited by the Red indians - and now the Red indians want it back.


The real histories of countries have been distorted for centuries - some stories have been fabricated, some told accurately over time - leading to series of land disputes globally. 


The last history of Nigeria we can pick up from is from the Amalgamation story - and this was deliberately done to create a unified government. For some reason, after the Amalgamation elapsed, Nigerian government still remained together - and it was likely triggered by the natural resources in respective regions. 


So - there must have been an agreement by all regions to remain together and consolidate all natural resources in regions to build a ONE economy and a ONE government. 


The unification made the country "Nigeria" stronger economically - if regions were to have their independence, regions might appear as poor nations. 


Therefore the retaining of all regions to create a rich country instead. 


You mentioned "Record Breaking" - are you implying that you want to break this separation record? - It would be interesting to know how that will work.


Nobody has a 360 degrees understanding of Nigeria - but what I subjectively believe is that Nigeria is supposed to work with full cooperation of all stakeholders. Problems will continue to exist in Nigeria and globally - and thats why a government is created to address these problems. 


If the world is free from problems - then there would be no need for a government or a solution provider. 


Even if you create your own country - you will inherit the Nigerian culture into your region and still have the same problem as Nigeria - and your government will have to fix it. Once a Nigerian, always a Nigerian even if you change nationality. 



You were once patriotic but no more - simply because of differing ideologies? - or is it because of bad governance? If you create a new country , you will still receive a carbon copy of the same problem regardless whether you know yourselves better. 


The problem with people of Nigeria is self centeredness, impatience and gullibility. The emotional energy of Nigerians is greater than their logical senses - And globally as well, all citizens of countries are the same.


The people through the powers of enculturation, socialization, environment, media propaganda and poverty have been configured to always see the governments of the world as enemies - these same people too go into governments once they have an opportunity - and join the government bandwagon and some of them may even say to themselves "that they too have suffered and now they want to enjoy now that they're in government ". 


I understand the system fairly as opposed to your submission that I don't. There's a likelihood that you're are after "Power".


You probably complain because the mannah didn't drop at your doorstep - If it did, but didn't drop at your next door neighbour's doorstep, you will most likely not be bothered. 


This is probably the real problem - everybody wants the mannah at their doorsteps - but they do not want to hear the excuse of "mannah is limited for the population". If they hear that - they will gang up against the government. 


So, Tinubu is not a saboteur in the legal sense. He's elected to solve problems. The deprivation of basic amenities is what feels sabotaging because most people aren't getting them - but a few people are getting them and they are citizens that can testify. 


So these few beneficiaries of good governance so to say - are the only group the government can truly afford to help at the moment. 

Brendaniel:
It seems like you don't really understand me.

1. I am not here to fight the government except the government decides to prove stubborn or fight me.

2. Tinubu supporters here are fond of trying to gaslight critics of Tinubu's government with the jobless line.

3. The fight is not really a fight and not just an agitation and does not have to be continuous to be passed from generation to generation, it's actually just doing the right thing, I'm here to do the right thing, if doing the right thing may cause some people to fight me, I'll fight back, but I'm only here to do the right thing, Nigeria was not supposed to be a country and I'm here to correct that.

4. That others have tried something and failed does not mean you will also fail trying the same thing, in many cases people who break records are not usually the first people to try.

About your desire for Nigeria, You don't seem to understand Nigeria, when you understand Nigeria you may likely start thinking in the direction I'm thinking to do to Nigeria, I used to be even maybe more patriotic than you are to Nigeria and very desirous about seeing Nigeria work.

If only you know what you are up against, you will know the route I am taking is the easier path to having your own country that works, and lastly if you are a Tinubu supporter then you don't desire a better Nigeria, you are only deceiving yourself, Tinubu is the biggest saboteur currently living as a citizen in Nigeria.

kayjordan:
I'm trying to understand you...


You say: you're not trying to fight the government but if the government proves stubborn, you will fight back  - Note that: The government called Nigeria with the three regions in one, is a recognised legal entity - and you also are a legal entity - Nigeria as an entity has the right to defend it territory - and you as a citizen/entity, have the right to protect your rights.


The tinubu supporter's alleged behaviour of thinking critics are jobless remains an opinion. 


Your fight is a long and big fight - and may require generations. Fighting the government has two meanings : War or Peaceful Protest. You say, you're not intending to wage war except if provoked. The stage of getting provoked, should be avoided - because the government is much bigger than a single entity or group.


A peaceful protest also, will be seen as treason - and the government will not allow it.


If you approach international organisations to uphold your fight for a separation - they may consider your application faintly - and you would have to prove to them why your country isn't meant to be together. 


Saying Nigeria isn't meant to be together is probably fuelled by your orientation. Countries of the world were initially referred to lands, kingdoms and empires - and historically they were never called countries until civilisation came and some of these lands and kingdoms merged to form countries that we know today.



It's just like saying America isn't meant to be a country because it was first inhabited by the Red indians - and now the Red indians want it back.


The real histories of countries have been distorted for centuries - some stories have been fabricated, some told accurately over time - leading to series of land disputes globally. 


The last history of Nigeria we can pick up from is from the Amalgamation story - and this was deliberately done to create a unified government. For some reason, after the Amalgamation elapsed, Nigerian government still remained together - and it was likely triggered by the natural resources in respective regions. 


So - there must have been an agreement by all regions to remain together and consolidate all natural resources in regions to build a ONE economy and a ONE government. 


The unification made the country "Nigeria" stronger economically - if regions were to have their independence, regions might appear as poor nations. 


Therefore the retaining of all regions to create a rich country instead. 


You mentioned "Record Breaking" - are you implying that you want to break this separation record? - It would be interesting to know how that will work.


Nobody has a 360 degrees understanding of Nigeria - but what I subjectively believe is that Nigeria is supposed to work with full cooperation of all stakeholders. Problems will continue to exist in Nigeria and globally - and thats why a government is created to address these problems. 


If the world is free from problems - then there would be no need for a government or a solution provider. 


Even if you create your own country - you will inherit the Nigerian culture into your region and still have the same problem as Nigeria - and your government will have to fix it. Once a Nigerian, always a Nigerian even if you change nationality. 



You were once patriotic but no more - simply because of differing ideologies? - or is it because of bad governance? If you create a new country , you will still receive a carbon copy of the same problem regardless whether you know yourselves better. 


The problem with people of Nigeria is self centeredness, impatience and gullibility. The emotional energy of Nigerians is greater than their logical senses - And globally as well, all citizens of countries are the same.


The people through the powers of enculturation, socialization, environment, media propaganda and poverty have been configured to always see the governments of the world as enemies - these same people too go into governments once they have an opportunity - and join the government bandwagon and some of them may even say to themselves "that they too have suffered and now they want to enjoy now that they're in government ". 


I understand the system fairly as opposed to your submission that I don't. There's a likelihood that you're are after "Power".


You probably complain because the mannah didn't drop at your doorstep - If it did, but didn't drop at your next door neighbour's doorstep, you will most likely not be bothered. 


This is probably the real problem - everybody wants the mannah at their doorsteps - but they do not want to hear the excuse of "mannah is limited for the population". If they hear that - they will gang up against the government. 


So, Tinubu is not a saboteur in the legal sense. He's elected to solve problems. The deprivation of basic amenities is what feels sabotaging because most people aren't getting them - but a few people are getting them and they are citizens that can testify. 


So these few beneficiaries of good governance so to say - are the only group the government can truly afford to help at the moment.

Chai! I see I'm discussing with someone who is very far from reality, you don't know Nigeria and probably don't even live here, you don't know the Igbos, you have little to no information about the core problems of Nigeria.

You say my fight to have a country of my own may require generations, I don't pray for it to require generations,I pray for it to happen in my generation and in my youthful period...

I've read your long write up and I wanted to reply you based on what you wrote but I think it might just be a waste of time and energy doing that, there is something I usually tell Tinubu supporters, Time will let you know what I have been saying here, you don't need to agree with me, Time will do it for you...


There are Tinubu supporters who have come back to apologize to me based on what I told them before Tinubu became president and what is happening now, aside Tinubu, the same with what I am saying about Nigeria now, I don't need you to agree with me, I only need to tell you and Time will do the rest whether you agree or not.

The reality I'm far from is the illusion most Nigerians live in. 


Psychologically - emotions of people are heavier than concrete evidence. People are wired to love, hate, enjoy and express happiness and anger - emotions are often times less controllable except if conscious about them.


People are used to certain patterns of things - they further make judgments on future events based on those patterns and discard investigations - this afterwards, is disseminated to the public who believe in these patterns therefore, creating a chain of unbelievers or critics. 

After that as well - these criticisms are passed down generations. 


I'm not against your feelings and Nigerians feelings. Your feelings are valid based on your experiences. 


My opinion about government too is based on my experiences and knowledge. 


If you bring your experience and my experience together - it will be 50/50. 


But because people have a fear of defeat - they wouldn't agree to 50/50 - instead, they would go the bias route and make it 70/30 (for example).


In a nutshell: the above simply means -  "don't conclude on things you are not certain of" - always be neutral and do not defame anyone in government who is not deserving of it.


I have always been neutral but with a slight lean towards government - because of what I've been informed with.


You are absolutely on the people's side because of what they have informed you with.


So, you are not a Prophet nor do you have psychic powers to make people come beg you based on your revelations. 


Neither am I a psychic. I only state facts and weigh them. 


If I support the government - it means I'm looking at the numbers. 


If I support the people - I'm also looking at the numbers. 


If the government is bad - then the people are bad.


If the people are bad - the government is bad too. 


Government sanctions - the people bribe.


The government fails - the people lament.


The reason why government's complaints against the citizens isn't heard is because the complaints of the masses outnumber that of the government - so the only voice the government has is "Enforcement". The media is captured by the masses.


Government is tough business - If you run a small organisation today - you will have a micro-understanding why leadership requires balls than emotions. 

Brendaniel:
Chai! I see I'm discussing with someone who is very far from reality, you don't know Nigeria and probably don't even live here, you don't know the Igbos, you have little to no information about the core problems of Nigeria.

You say my fight to have a country of my own may require generations, I don't pray for it to require generations,I pray for it to happen in my generation and in my youthful period...

I've read your long write up and I wanted to reply you based on what you wrote but I think it might just be a waste of time and energy doing that, there is something I usually Tinubu supporters, Time will let you know what I have been saying here, you don't need agree with me, Time will do it for you...


There are Tinubu supporters who have come back to apologize to me based on what I told them before Tinubu became president and what is happening now, aside Tinubu, the same with what I am saying about Nigeria now, I don't need you to agree with me, I only need to tell you and Time will do the rest whether you agree or not.

kayjordan:
The reality I'm far from is the illusion most Nigerians live in. 


Psychologically - emotions of people are heavier than concrete evidence. People are wired to love, hate, enjoy and express happiness and anger - emotions are often times less controllable except if conscious about them.


People are used to certain patterns of things - they further make judgments on future events based on those patterns and discard investigations - this afterwards, is disseminated to the public who believe in these patterns therefore, creating a chain of unbelievers or critics. 

After that as well - these criticisms are passed down generations. 


I'm not against your feelings and Nigerians feelings. Your feelings are valid based on your experiences. 


My opinion about government too is based on my experiences and knowledge. 


If you bring your experience and my experience together - it will be 50/50. 


But because people have a fear of defeat - they wouldn't agree to 50/50 - instead, they would go the bias route and make it 70/30 (for example).


In a nutshell: the above simply means -  "don't conclude on things you are not certain of" - always be neutral and do not defame anyone in government who is not deserving of it.


I have always been neutral but with a slight lean towards government - because of what I've been informed with.


You are absolutely on the people's side because of what they have informed you with.


So, you are not a Prophet nor do you have psychic powers to make people come beg you based on your revelations. 


Neither am I a psychic. I only state facts and weigh them. 


If I support the government - it means I'm looking at the numbers. 


If I support the people - I'm also looking at the numbers. 


If the government is bad - then the people are bad.


If the people are bad - the government is bad too. 


Government sanctions - the people bribe.


The government fails - the people lament.


The reason why government's complaints against the citizens isn't heard is because the complaints of the masses outnumber that of the government - so the only voice the government has is "Enforcement". The media is captured by the masses.


Government is tough business - If you run a small organisation today - you will have a micro-understanding why leadership requires balls than emotions.

I have told you, Nigeria is not a nation, Nigeria is not a country, Nigeria was not supposed to formed as a country because it was deceitfully formed, don't worry about your beliefs, you can keep them, but let me just tell you straight which you will see with your eyes with time revealing it to you...

You don't love Nigerians, you don't even love your people, I doubt you even love yourself, The Nigeria you claim you love, you don't love Nigeria, I know you will not believe me but time will reveal it to you.

I told Tinubu supporters the outcome of Tinubu becoming president and they didn't believe, today some have come back to apologize...

So I don't need you to believe me, time will do that for me...

Your comment that Nigeria is not a country is imaginary and abstract. If you supply information why it wasn't meant to be - then i will take you up there. 


You suggest I lack love for Nigeria and myself. This sounds as if - my stance on the facts predicts hatred towards the people. My opinion and your opinion don't have love tags - people will tell which of the two opinion is love and which one is disguise.


Those Tinubu supporters that came back apologising to you were either - expecting magic from President Tinubu in quickest time - or were just simply after their bellies and felt left out because palliatives didn't reach their doorsteps. 


Nigerians are people with numerous desires and unsatiafiable wants. 


Your "time" comment sounds cliche. You cannot solve your problems with blind faith. Come out in the open here, and make concrete facts to justify your arguments. 



Your position is rather philosophical and this makes your agitation sound unrealistic and also makes it feel like wind. 

Brendaniel:
I have told you, Nigeria is not a nation, Nigeria is not a country, Nigeria was not supposed to formed as a country because it was deceitfully formed, don't worry about your beliefs, you can keep them, but let me just tell you straight which you will see with your eyes with time revealing it to you...

You don't love Nigerians, you don't even love your people, I doubt you even love yourself, The Nigeria you claim you love, you don't love Nigeria, I know you will not believe me but time will reveal it to you.

I told Tinubu supporters the outcome of Tinubu becoming president and they didn't believe, today some have come back to apologize...

So I don't need you to believe me, time will do that for me...