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Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by dofman: 11:32am On Dec 29, 2025
SIRTee15:
Hahaha..
Only God was worshipped in the old testament according to this pagan clown but when I showed him evidence of other person worshipped, he quickly changed mouth n said old testament is corrupt.

That's the final destination of all these clueless dawah, once they get stuck they start shouting bible is corrupt.

Let me show u where Abraham bowed down to persons other than the Father in the old testament.

Genesis 18
The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.


I will repeat Joshua because u deliberately ignored it since u don't have an answer.

14 “Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in worship, and asked him, “What message does my Lord have for his servant?”

Your wuruwuru to the answer won't work here.

What u should show us is where any prophet of God bowed before a stone for any reason. Show us if God instructed any prophet of God to bow before a stone during worship.

Failure to give evidence proves u are a pagan.
Just see a pathetic a certified pagan talking and lie 😀.

I repeat , God never instructed anyone to worship any person except him .

When I called you olodo , did I lie !

When I called you a pagan , did I lie ?


After it has been proven that you are a pagan , and now you shifted to want to pain Abraham and others as a pagan like you ; no be juju be that .

Now , let me expose your lies and quoted the whole verse : genesis 18 vs 1-10 :

“The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord,[a] do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.”

“Very well,” they answered, “do as you say.”

6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs[b] of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.”

7 Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. 8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.

9 “Where is your wife Sarah?” they asked him.

“There, in the tent,” he said.

10 Then one of them said, “I will surely return to you about this time next year, and Sarah your wife will have a son.”

For God sake , how does this verse say Abraham worship them ?


Now , Does he bow to them to greet them as a visitor or to worship them ? Chai . This is typical example how you guys twisted truth into lies . Must you lie ?

So you did not reason and know that He bows low, offers water for their feet, shade, and a substantial meal (fine flour bread, curds, milk, and a calf) prepared by himself and Sarah, showcasing extraordinary generosity and hospitality .


Abraham is not a pagan like you guys :

Anyway , Quran has already defend Abraham against you pagans and liars . Read :

Quran 3:67: "Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a Muslim, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists

And :

Quran 16:120-123: "Abraham was indeed a model, devoutly obedient to Allah, (and) true in Faith, and he joined not gods with Allah...Follow the ways of Abraham the True in Faith, and he joined not gods with Allah".


As you can see Abraham is not a pagan like you do . Na by force to be pagan 😀


I still challenge you , show me where God , Abraham or Jesus say people should worship someone apart from God

Your paganism is legendary and you need to repent asap .

You don cast ! 😀.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 11:47am On Dec 29, 2025
@ doffman


Doffman has joined the list of those Muslims ashamed of their Quran.
He's become another 'Pastor Iropoju', a Muslim apologists on Facebook who knows more of the bible than the Quran

The problem with doffman is he no even sabi the bible. He no come sabi his Quran or Hadith.

Paul is his headache. The clown thought Paul wrote the Old testament.

Doffman, don't be ashamed of your Quran. Answer my question

IF ALLAH HAS A SON, WILL U DOFFMAN WORSHIP THE SON OF ALLAH.

DOES THE SON OF ALLAH DESERVE TO BE WORSHIPPED?

ANSWER THE QUESTION, SHAME SHAYTANI AND ANSWER THE QUESTION.

THE ANSWER IS IN YOUR QURAN
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 12:04pm On Dec 29, 2025
SIRTee15:
@ doffman


Doffman has joined the list of those Muslims ashamed of their Quran.
He's become another 'Pastor Iropoju', a Muslim apologists on Facebook who knows more of the bible than the Quran

The problem with doffman is he no even sabi the bible. He no come sabi his Quran or Hadith.

Paul is his headache. The clown thought Paul wrote the Old testament.

Doffman, don't be ashamed of your Quran. Answer my question

IF ALLAH HAS A SON, WILL U DOFFMAN WORSHIP THE SON OF ALLAH.

DOES THE SON OF ALLAH DESERVE TO BE WORSHIPPED?

ANSWER THE QUESTION, SHAME SHAYTANI AND ANSWER THE QUESTION.

THE ANSWER IS IN YOUR QURAN
The certified pagan now shifting the post ahaaaa

After I bursted his lies about genesis 8 verses 😀😀😀.

When I daid I know bible than you , did I lie ? 😀😀


Stop deviating and answer the challenge in the previous post nah :

We all know you are a pagan that claim you worship Jesus .

I still challenge you , show me where God , Abraham or Jesus say people should worship someone apart from God?

You no nothing you need to come and learn .


You can be a pagan but you can’t force us to be like you nah
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 12:07pm On Dec 29, 2025
SIRTee15:
Matthew 24
14 Jesus said 'and this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.'

Mathew 26.13
Truly I tell you, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”
Just watch how I will finish you off 😀😀


Is gospel called bible ?



Yes or no
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 12:12pm On Dec 29, 2025
SIRTeee15:
Pagan clown shouting contradiction in the book of Mathew. Jesus was worshipped all through the New testament up to Revelation.

People bowed down to Jesus because he's the Son of Allah.

What we should ask is where did u get the idea of bowing before a stone.

I showed u in the old testament where persons apart from the Father is worshipped.

I showed u in the old testament where Abraham, Moses and other prophets called other persons apart from the Father God.

U can shout corruption all u like that's your business.

But show me where any prophet in the old testament bow done before a stone.

Show me where Noah, Abraham or Moses bowed before a stone.

Show me any verse where God commanded any prophet to bow before a stone.

because what we have is explicit command where God clearly condemned bowing before a stone.

Lev 26
“‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God.

Deut 16
22 and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the Lord your God hates.


Failure to show this removes any doubt u are a pagan.
Certified pagan 😀😀,
I can see you want me to tutor you about Kaaba 🕋.

Watch out for my next post . You will learn by force .
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 12:53pm On Dec 29, 2025
SIRTeee15


Show me where Noah, Abraham or Moses bowed before a stone.
I will picked Abraham because is the specific prophet Allah use to laid the foundation and build the Mecca 🕋

Read Quran 2:125 :
And remember˺ when We made the Sacred House a centre and a sanctuary for the people saying˺, “˹You may˺ take the standing-place of Abraham as a site of prayer.” And We entrusted Abraham and Ishmael to purify My House for those who circle it, who meditate in it, and who bow and prostrate themselves ˹in prayer

As you can see , Abraham and his son is the custodian of the Kaaba for prayers . Then also pray there and also circle it round and glorifying Allah name. Same way current Muslims are doing . This is direct instruction for God himself .

You should know that the place was full of idols by pagan and which were all removed .

Read Surah Ibrahim (14:35-41):

He prays for security in the city and protection from idol worship for himself and his offspring (14:35).

As you can see , Abraham's personally pray for his family and the future of Mecca from idols .

Let me now shock you more :

He prays for his descendants to establish prayer (14:40). This prayed is answered that is why Muslims are still there worshiping and praying .

Read also :

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:126):
"And [remember] when Abraham said, 'My Lord, make this city [i.e., Mecca] secure and provide fruits to its people—those among them who believe in Allah and the Last Day.'".

Allah also answer this prayer . This is why Saudi the desert area is richer and have peace than your Nigeria . I hope you are learning o .

Now let me go further . ..


There is difference between bowing to Kaaba and facing the direction of kaabah🕋 .

If truly Muslims are worshipping kaabah , why every mosques not place 🕋 image in the front of every mosque and be bowing to it ? Reason nah .


In islam , Muslim worship no any person or thing expect Allah . Kaaba 🕋 is only use for reference point for unified direction for all Muslim to pray . Allah commanded it and ask those who believe to prayed facing Kaaba 🕋.


Surah 2:144: I quote

"We see you turning your face towards heaven. Now We will make you turn towards a direction... that will please you. So turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque [in Mecca]—wherever you are, turn your faces towards it".


Surah 2:149:

"And wherever you are, turn your face toward the Sacred Mosque".

Surah 2:150:

"And wherever you are, turn your face toward the Sacred Mosque...".

As you can see,

The verses emphasize that turning towards the Kaaba is a command from God, not an act of worship towards the structure itself. It serves as a central point of prayer for Muslims worldwide, symbolizing unity.

Now if the God(Allah ) himself commanded us to face that place during prayer does, who are you or your fellow pagan to tell us not ?


Nkw , let go to your bible nah :

Before Muhammad arrived , previous believers have been praying to one God facing direction of Jerusalem . Read Daniel 6:10, which states that Daniel prayed with his windows open toward Jerusalem.

This is also supported by 1 Kings 8:29-30, Solomon's prayer for those who pray toward the Temple in Jerusalem,

and 2 Chronicles 6:20, which echoes this sentiment. These verses describe the practice as directing prayer toward Jerusalem or the Temple as a way of showing faith and remembrance.

Facing a sacred place during prayer does not mean you are worshiping them. As they face the place , they give the glory to Allah , the lords of all the words .

Every mosque 🕌 you see close to your house is facing Kaaba 🕋 direction .you can get compass 🧭 to confirm nah .


Pagan , as you can see , no be by force to be pagan like you guys .


About black stone in kaabah

You already know that Idol Worship is strictly prohibited in Islam and is a major sin. No muslim can dare to worship the Kaaba or stone if he is a true Muslim.
The muslims kiss the Black Stone out of utter respect amd emotion as Prophet Muhammad also used to kiss it out of respect only. Afterall, you guys kiss your god crucification cross nah. 😀

The saying of Second Caliph of Islam Umer (R.A) is sufficient to prove that no Muslim ever worships the Black Stone.

Al-Bukhārī reports that ʿUmar – Allāh be pleased with him – came to the Black Stone, kissed it, and said, “I know that you are a stone, you do not cause benefit or harm; and if it were not that I had seen Allāh’s Messenger kiss you, I would never have kissed you.




Show me any verse where God commanded any prophet to bow before a stone.
😀😀in the first place , does Quran ask you to bow and worship any stone ? Never ! Bring it on if you see one nah !

because what we have is explicit command where God clearly condemned bowing before a stone.

Lev 26
“‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God.

Deut 16
22 and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the Lord your God hates.
Na you Christian bow to Jesus sculpture , images and cross . So I can feel your pain . Ask me for evidence I will show you and you will cry .



See enn, if I see you again repeating this thing again , you wil need cane 🦯 be that o .
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 12:59pm On Dec 29, 2025
Antiislaam:
Ahahahaha see ara Libya that want to expose his master grin
Poor boy and bragging enn . Shioor.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 1:01pm On Dec 29, 2025
Antiislaam:
Sule oshey Anti-catholic, bami ma expose awon guyz yen jare

Even Ibrahim ati Ishmael never been to mecca, talo wa mule fun yin bayi ni Islam? Anobi e Muomo must be DJ YK grin
Olodo 😀😀😀


Read Quran 2:125 :
And remember˺ when We made the Sacred House a centre and a sanctuary for the people saying˺, “˹You may˺ take the standing-place of [b]Abraham as a site of prayer.” And We entrusted Abraham and Ishmael to purify My House for those who circle it, who meditate in it, and who bow and prostrate themselves ˹in prayer[/b]


You are finished ✔️ Gbam !
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 1:03pm On Dec 29, 2025
IslamVIRGINS:
Is there anywhere God promise people in Bible to be rewarded with anything girls in paradise thereby giving them power of 100 men just because of one girl?
You will be in this auto repetition for life 😀😀😀.

Anyway :

Numbers 31:40-42

and 16,000 virgin girls, of whom 32 were the Lord’s share.


Virgins are ready for sharing .


Preaching .


She pagan in pain 😀

Repent o
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 1:05pm On Dec 29, 2025
AntiisIam:
Sule gba again
Eya Pele . Without lies . Christian finish .

Go marry o

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15:
doffman:
Just watch how I will finish you off 😀😀


Is gospel called bible ?



Yes or no
Good u agreed Jesus said Christians should preach the gospel.

Jesus quoted from the old testament multiple times. He told us to study the Torah.

Paul's letter are gospel because it was revealed to him by Jesus Christ.

Other NT letters are exegesis of the gospel.

Lobatan. So yes Jesus told us to read the gospel, old testament and NT letters.

Abi is that not what constitute the bible huh
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 2:46pm On Dec 29, 2025
doffman:
The certified pagan now shifting the post ahaaaa

After I bursted his lies about genesis 8 verses 😀😀😀.

When I daid I know bible than you , did I lie ? 😀😀


Stop deviating and answer the challenge in the previous post nah :

We all know you are a pagan that claim you worship Jesus .

I still challenge you , show me where God , Abraham or Jesus say people should worship someone apart from God?

You no nothing you need to come and learn .


You can be a pagan but you can’t force us to be like you nah
This clown has not answered one single question I asked him.
Not one.

I'm not answering any of your question until u answer mine.

Shame the devil and answer my question. Don't be ashamed of your Quran.

If Allah has a son, will u Doffman worship him.

Answer my question. I have asked u 4 question here and u avoided them all.

I will repeat them all...

1. If Allah has a son will u Doffman worship the son of Allah?
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTeee15: 4:04pm On Dec 29, 2025
dofman:
Just see a pathetic a certified pagan talking and lie 😀.

I repeat , God never instructed anyone to worship any person except him .

When I called you olodo , did I lie !

When I called you a pagan , did I lie ?


After it has been proven that you are a pagan , and now you shifted to want to pain Abraham and others as a pagan like you ; no be juju be that .

Now , let me expose your lies and quoted the whole verse : genesis 18 vs 1-10 :

“The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord,[a] do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.”

“Very well,” they answered, “do as you say.”

6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs[b] of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.”

7 Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. 8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.

9 “Where is your wife Sarah?” they asked him.

“There, in the tent,” he said.

10 Then one of them said, “I will surely return to you about this time next year, and Sarah your wife will have a son.”

For God sake , how does this verse say Abraham worship them ?


Now , Does he bow to them to greet them as a visitor or to worship them ? Chai . This is typical example how you guys twisted truth into lies . Must you lie ?

So you did not reason and know that He bows low, offers water for their feet, shade, and a substantial meal (fine flour bread, curds, milk, and a calf) prepared by himself and Sarah, showcasing extraordinary generosity and hospitality .


Abraham is not a pagan like you guys :

Anyway , Quran has already defend Abraham against you pagans and liars . Read :

Quran 3:67: "Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a Muslim, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists

And :

Quran 16:120-123: "Abraham was indeed a model, devoutly obedient to Allah, (and) true in Faith, and he joined not gods with Allah...Follow the ways of Abraham the True in Faith, and he joined not gods with Allah".


As you can see Abraham is not a pagan like you do . Na by force to be pagan 😀


I still challenge you , show me where God , Abraham or Jesus say people should worship someone apart from God

Your paganism is legendary and you need to repent asap .

You don cast ! 😀.
It's like your brain is beginning to disconnect from your visual senses.

Someone saw his God in visible form as a man, he quickly approached him and bowed before his God.

This clown is claiming Abraham bowed to give water.
My friend, Abraham bowed with his head on the ground when he saw God as a MAN.

Genesis 18
YHWH appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

THAT'S WORSHIP, THE HEBREW WORD FOR BOW IN THAT VERSE IS SHACHAH WHICH IS THE SAME WORD FOR WORSHIP.

Abraham went ahead and called one of the men ADONAI, another name for Almighty God.

3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my Lord (Adonai) do not pass your servant by


YHWH appeared to Abraham as a Man
Abraham went to meet his God and worshipped him by bowing to the ground before GOD ALMIGHTY Awho appeared as a Man (Theopahy)
Abraham called one of the men ADONAI- one of the divine name of God.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 4:20pm On Dec 29, 2025
@ doffman This is my number 4 question u cleverly avoided.

My friend answer the question....


U brought Abrahamic prophecy here, no one forced u. What u don't know is that same prophecy was given to Jacob and Isaac....


I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”

WHO IS THIS PERSON, WHO IS HE THAT CAME FROM THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB THAT IS A BLESSING TO THE WHOLE WORLD.


Genesis 12
“I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”

NOW GOD REPEATED THESE PROPHECY TO TWO OF ABRAHAM'S DESCENDANTS. WORD FOR WORD, LETTER FOR LETTER.

Guess who? Isaac and Jacob
God gave the same prophecy to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. That the whole world will blessed through their seed.


Genesis 26.4
The LORD appeared to Isaac and said 'I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed .

God said the same thing to Jacob....

Genesis 28
14 The LORD said to Jacob Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring.”

Now the question to clown doffman the bible expert who knows the bible more than pastors...

Who is that person who came from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who fulfilled this 3 prophecies.

Who is from the genealogy of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; and brought a message that became a blessing for the whole world?

Who is the offspring of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob through whom the whole world is blessed.

GOD PROMISED THE BLESSING FOR THE WHOLE WORLD WILL COME THRU ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB.
WHO IS THAT BLESSING?
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 4:21pm On Dec 29, 2025
[quote author=SIRTeee15 post=137948423],,
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Expanse2020(m): 4:53pm On Dec 29, 2025
doffman:
🤣She no fit o . She can only cover her shame by repeating same thing over and over . Even any of pastor can never ; after all they all confessed that Jesus never preach Christianity. Which bible. A they now preach us bayii 🤷🏼‍♂️.

Nah only one question I throw to her ooo and Gbam she was set into auto repetition 😀.

Even Satan will be laughing at them .
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


I just pity her soul ooo.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Expanse2020(m): 4:54pm On Dec 29, 2025
Antiislaam:
Sule, shey you can't comprehend again nii?

I said o ma difficult fun e to know what Christianity is all about. Mi ni you can't know what Christianity is nigbati o je wipe you said Jesus Christ is NOT a Christian. Omi eran, can you fellow yourself on nairaland for nagging that Jesus Christ is not a Christian?

Iwo ati allah e ni Muslim, you kuku know say allah prayed for your anobi, imagine allah praying for muomo
Answer the question is he a Christian
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 5:57pm On Dec 29, 2025
doffman:
Eya Pele . Without lies . Christian finish .

Go marry o
Sule,

Na dis kind somtin with the one btw 53 vs 6yr old people and the 72 in alujana dey make Islam sweet abi bawo

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 6:08pm On Dec 29, 2025
Expanse2020:
Answer the question is he a Christian
Jesus Christ preached Christianity.

He told his followers to be Christians.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Antiislaam(m): 6:24pm On Dec 29, 2025
doffman:
Pagan , why are you repeating same thing again ahaaa.

I have automatically set you into repetition like your sister is Pauline religion 😀😀


Christian without lies, they can never promote their fake religion 😀
Sule, wetin your people are doing here?

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Antiislaam(m): 6:27pm On Dec 29, 2025
Expanse2020:
Answer the question is he a Christian
doffman dofman, a better ki o send ore e yii wa si odo e ni Libya jare

Omi eran, listen again, JESUS CHRIST IS NOT A CHRISTIAN. Christian means follower of Christ, CAN YOU FOLLOW YOURSELF? Opolo wa koni lo
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Antiislaam(m): 6:28pm On Dec 29, 2025
doffman:
Olodo 😀😀😀


Read Quran 2:125 :
And remember˺ when We made the Sacred House a centre and a sanctuary for the people saying˺, “˹You may˺ take the standing-place of [b]Abraham as a site of prayer.” And We entrusted Abraham and Ishmael to purify My House for those who circle it, who meditate in it, and who bow and prostrate themselves ˹in prayer[/b]


You are finished ✔️ Gbam !
Abunu,

Oya show us where it is written that Abraham and Ishmael were circumbulating Kaaba half dressed, prayed towards Kaaba, etc
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Antiislaam(m): 6:30pm On Dec 29, 2025
doffman:
Poor boy and bragging enn . Shioor.
Ara Libya,

Boya when dey don free you over there, let me know or boya ti FG ba send free flight to pick you guys up from Libya, let me know so that I can direct you down to my domain
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Antiislaam(m): 6:32pm On Dec 29, 2025
Expanse2020:
Show us the evidence from your bible that Jesu is a Christian or his disciples are Christians...
That is what we asked leave the abuse and rebuke besides
Talo so bobo yii di bayii, o ma se ooo cry

Wait, how many times ni ma so fun e wipe Jesus Christ can never and will never be a Christian because ko possible for Jesus Christ to still follow himself when Christian means follower of Christ. Sufu, stop d'oju ti Isilamu nau. Or can you follow your own profile on nairaland, fb, IG, etc nii? Opolo wa koni lo
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Expanse2020(m): 7:20pm On Dec 29, 2025
Antiislaam:
Talo so bobo yii di bayii, o ma se ooo cry

Wait, how many times ni ma so fun e wipe Jesus Christ can never and will never be a Christian because ko possible for Jesus Christ to still follow himself when Christian means follower of Christ. Sufu, stop d'oju ti Isilamu nau. Or can you follow your own profile on nairaland, fb, IG, etc nii? Opolo wa koni lo
.... Wao so what kind of religion don't have bases with the creator... If your God didn't practice Christianity what are you doing there
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Expanse2020(m): 7:22pm On Dec 29, 2025
SIRTee15:
Jesus Christ preached Christianity.

He told his followers to be Christians.
He preach Christianity ke... Where in the bible
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jesus and his people didn't know Christianity..
The word Christianity start with Paul
from where to where
Abeg no bullshit us here oo
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 11:26pm On Dec 29, 2025
Expanse2020:
He preach Christianity ke... Where in the bible
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jesus and his people didn't know Christianity..
The word Christianity start with Paul
from where to where
Abeg no bullshit us here oo
Be like say they don't teach u guys anything in that mosque.

Did Jesus Christ teach believers to be a Christian? Yes

Christian is from the Greek word Christianos which mean followers of Christ.

Did Jesus teach his disciples to be followers of Christ? Yes

Matthew 16:24
“Then Jesus told his disciples, If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.”

Matthew 4:19
“Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.”

Luke 9:23
“If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.”

John 12:26
“Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, there will my servant be also.”

Lobatan. Jesus indeed preach for us to be followers of Christ.
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I will picked Abraham because is the specific prophet Allah use to laid the foundation and build the Mecca 🕋

Read Quran 2:125 :
And remember˺ when We made the Sacred House a centre and a sanctuary for the people saying˺, “˹You may˺ take the standing-place of Abraham as a site of prayer.” And We entrusted Abraham and Ishmael to purify My House for those who circle it, who meditate in it, and who bow and prostrate themselves ˹in prayer

As you can see , Abraham and his son is the custodian of the Kaaba for prayers . Then also pray there and also circle it round and glorifying Allah name. Same way current Muslims are doing . This is direct instruction for God himself .

You should know that the place was full of idols by pagan and which were all removed .

Read Surah Ibrahim (14:35-41):

He prays for security in the city and protection from idol worship for himself and his offspring (14:35).

As you can see , Abraham's personally pray for his family and the future of Mecca from idols .

Let me now shock you more :

He prays for his descendants to establish prayer (14:40). This prayed is answered that is why Muslims are still there worshiping and praying .

Read also :

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:126):
"And [remember] when Abraham said, 'My Lord, make this city [i.e., Mecca] secure and provide fruits to its people—those among them who believe in Allah and the Last Day.'".

Allah also answer this prayer . This is why Saudi the desert area is richer and have peace than your Nigeria . I hope you are learning o .

Now let me go further . ..


There is difference between bowing to Kaaba and facing the direction of kaabah🕋 .

If truly Muslims are worshipping kaabah , why every mosques not place 🕋 image in the front of every mosque and be bowing to it ? Reason nah .


In islam , Muslim worship no any person or thing expect Allah . Kaaba 🕋 is only use for reference point for unified direction for all Muslim to pray . Allah commanded it and ask those who believe to prayed facing Kaaba 🕋.


Surah 2:144: I quote

"We see you turning your face towards heaven. Now We will make you turn towards a direction... that will please you. So turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque [in Mecca]—wherever you are, turn your faces towards it".


Surah 2:149:

"And wherever you are, turn your face toward the Sacred Mosque".

Surah 2:150:

"And wherever you are, turn your face toward the Sacred Mosque...".

As you can see,

The verses emphasize that turning towards the Kaaba is a command from God, not an act of worship towards the structure itself. It serves as a central point of prayer for Muslims worldwide, symbolizing unity.

Now if the God(Allah ) himself commanded us to face that place during prayer does, who are you or your fellow pagan to tell us not ?


Nkw , let go to your bible nah :

Before Muhammad arrived , previous believers have been praying to one God facing direction of Jerusalem . Read Daniel 6:10, which states that Daniel prayed with his windows open toward Jerusalem.

This is also supported by 1 Kings 8:29-30, Solomon's prayer for those who pray toward the Temple in Jerusalem,

and 2 Chronicles 6:20, which echoes this sentiment. These verses describe the practice as directing prayer toward Jerusalem or the Temple as a way of showing faith and remembrance.

Facing a sacred place during prayer does not mean you are worshiping them. As they face the place , they give the glory to Allah , the lords of all the words .

Every mosque 🕌 you see close to your house is facing Kaaba 🕋 direction .you can get compass 🧭 to confirm nah .


Pagan , as you can see , no be by force to be pagan like you guys .


About black stone in kaabah

You already know that Idol Worship is strictly prohibited in Islam and is a major sin. No muslim can dare to worship the Kaaba or stone if he is a true Muslim.
The muslims kiss the Black Stone out of utter respect amd emotion as Prophet Muhammad also used to kiss it out of respect only. Afterall, you guys kiss your god crucification cross nah. 😀

The saying of Second Caliph of Islam Umer (R.A) is sufficient to prove that no Muslim ever worships the Black Stone.

Al-Bukhārī reports that ʿUmar – Allāh be pleased with him – came to the Black Stone, kissed it, and said, “I know that you are a stone, you do not cause benefit or harm; and if it were not that I had seen Allāh’s Messenger kiss you, I would never have kissed you.







😀😀in the first place , does Quran ask you to bow and worship any stone ? Never ! Bring it on if you see one nah !



Na you Christian bow to Jesus sculpture , images and cross . So I can feel your pain . Ask me for evidence I will show you and you will cry .



See enn, if I see you again repeating this thing again , you wil need cane 🦯 be that o .
See this clown, quoting Quran and expecting me to believe. As if when I quoted the NT for evidence of Jesus worship and deity, he accepted it.

My friend, bring indisputable evidence that God told any of the prophets to bow before a stone. Go to the old testament and show me where any of the ancient prophets bow before any type of stone.

praying facing Jerusalem is not the same as bowing before a stone. Jesus prayed facing heaven...

John 17
After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:


Muslims do not pray facing a stone, they pray bowing before a stone. Something God clearly prohibit and condemned.

and pls do not compare bowing the temple filled with the presence of God to an empty kabba that has a pagan stone
When Israelites bowed before the temple, it was filled with the shikenah glory of God.
The Israelites bowed and worship the presence of God in the temple and not the temple.

2 Chronicles 7
When Solomon finished praying, fire came down from heaven and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices, and the glory of the Lord filled the temple. 2 The priests could not enter the temple of the Lord because the glory of the Lord filled it. 3 When all the Israelites saw the fire coming down and the glory of the Lord above the temple, they knelt on the pavement with their faces to the ground, and they worshiped and gave thanks to the Lord,


2 Chronicles 5
Then the temple of the Lord was filled with the cloud, 14 and the priests could not perform their service because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord filled the temple of God.


The presence of God was never in the kabba. Never. If anything it was once filled with pagan idols.

3. Now answer my question. Show me where any prophet of God bowed before a stone, show me where God commanded any prophet to bow before a stone.

God cannot contradict himself. He expressly declared bowing before a stone is a sin and he hates it. How can the same God now contradict himself and tell another prophet to bow before a stone.
U sef reason am, the thing no make sense at all. Bowing before a stone is a sin.

U that bow before a stone and anyone bowing before any sculpture will burn in hell.

Lev 26
“‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God.
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