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From Obidient To Disobidient? by kayjordan(op): 9:35am On Jan 01
This is not a direct attack on the political candidate Peter Obi - but on his avid young supporters who preached sainthood. 


It's a popular culture to switch political parties in Nigeria and also, a popular culture to criticize politicians who do so. In 2023, Peter Obi was polished by Nigerians as the Messiah - and I felt confused... Did they mean the perfect man for the job? Or the better man for the job? - the views I got pointed to the former and it became clear to me.


Labour party which became the Church of the Saints, was publicized with all virtues you could think of - and it felt so sacred that people didn't mind being card carriers of the party. The sacred party in the shortest time ever, began having cracked walls and pillars due to inferior building materials - and everybody in it now wants to run out before the building collapses on them. Some have escaped successfully, some are still acting brave with faint hearts staying in the building because they don't want to be caught cowardly running out of the building - but eventually one of them just did recently - but he ran out majestically. 


Now that the Super Star of the Labour party has been exported to the ADC, will the Obidients cross-pollinate? - Or would they tag the Super Star as part of the "Old Block"? - or would they do damage-control and say - "It's not by what you wear that matters to God, but your heart?" - I dunno...


But what I do know is that - Peter Obi is a fantastic actor, playing very good scripts and doing the job of a Politician as it should. Obidients on the other hand, are the pieces of papers used for the scripts and flung out to the wind after use.

... not just the Labour party though, but other parties do that too.


The nail point: politics is technical-sportsmanship and not some emotional battle. Politicians play it like a game; their supporters play it like war. 

The Obidients probably have a new party since their motivations are attached to the Person rather than the party. 


The moral question is: if they will be disobedient to their idol or continue to be obedient.
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by aswani(m): 10:35am On Jan 01
The crazy thing is the lack of a political compass, you go from a right wing party to a left wing party then back to another right wing party.

What principled political person does that and experts to be taken seriously?
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by budaatum: 10:37am On Jan 01
kayjordan:
This is not a direct attack on the political candidate Peter Obi - but on his avid young supporters who preached sainthood.
I am not a "young supporters", nor would I "preach sainthood" for any Nigerian. I'm simply Obidient, because I'm not ẹyinlokan. And I'm waiting for Obi to produce a new poster!

Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by SeeWahala: 10:38am On Jan 01
Hehehe 🤭 see them above cheesy RoNu e-things with fire 🔥 burning at their nyasch grin

When senators and governors were and are decamping to APC it is strategy & sophistication 🤗

BUT

Once it's Peter Obi that does it . . . Hahaha 🤣😂 . . . Hahaha 🤣😂

2027 is a done deal angry tilumbu's time is UP
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by SeeWahala: 10:39am On Jan 01
budaatum:
I am not a "young supporters", nor would I "preach sainthood" for any Nigerian. I'm simply Obidient, because I'm not ẹyinlokan. And I'm waiting for Obi to produce a new poster!
Buda Tell em' cool Simple and Short 🤗
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by SeeWahala: 10:40am On Jan 01
aswani:
The crazy thing is the lack of a political compass, you go from a right wing party to a left wing party then back to another right wing party.

What principled political person does that and experts to be taken seriously?
Na now your work go begin in full cheesy no more hiding as NeUtRaL again grin
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by Ozinlex: 10:42am On Jan 01
You go cry stone tire...

Truth Tinubu and his gangs of retrogression must be voted out!
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by kayjordan(op): 10:54am On Jan 01
It's good to have a support system which you see in Peter Obi.

This acknowledges that we can all play the dirty game and drop the bibles.


budaatum:
I am not a "young supporters", nor would I "preach sainthood" for any Nigerian. I'm simply Obidient, because I'm not ẹyinlokan. And I'm waiting for Obi to produce a new poster!
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by aswani(m):
SeeWahala:
Na now your work go begin in full cheesy no more hiding as NeUtRaL again grin
Okay, as it is a new year, I will indulge you.

What have I said in that post that belies my neutrality?

Happy New year by the way.

You are an interesting Obidient, clearly articulate and humourous, I just wish you will show that side once in a while grin
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by Mbanda(m): 10:57am On Jan 01
kayjordan:
This is not a direct attack on the political candidate Peter Obi - but on his avid young supporters who preached sainthood. 


It's a popular culture to switch political parties in Nigeria and also, a popular culture to criticize politicians who do so. In 2023, Peter Obi was polished by Nigerians as the Messiah - and I felt confused... Did they mean the perfect man for the job? Or the better man for the job? - the views I got pointed to the former and it became clear to me.


Labour party which became the Church of the Saints, was publicized with all virtues you could think of - and it felt so sacred that people didn't mind being card carriers of the party. The sacred party in the shortest time ever, began having cracked walls and pillars due to inferior building materials - and everybody in it now wants to run out before the building collapses on them. Some have escaped successfully, some are still acting brave with faint hearts staying in the building because they don't want to be caught cowardly running out of the building - but eventually one of them just did recently - but he ran out majestically. 


Now that the Super Star of the Labour party has been exported to the ADC, will the Obidients cross-pollinate? - Or would they tag the Super Star as part of the "Old Block"? - or would they do damage-control and say - "It's not by what you wear that matters to God, but your heart?" - I dunno...


But what I do know is that - Peter Obi is a fantastic actor, playing very good scripts and doing the job of a Politician as it should. Obidients on the other hand, are the pieces of papers used for the scripts and flung out to the wind after use.

... not just the Labour party though, but other parties do that too.


The nail point: politics is technical-sportsmanship and not some emotional battle. Politicians play it like a game; their supporters play it like war. 

The Obidients probably have a new party since their motivations are attached to the Person rather than the party. 


The moral question is: if they will be disobedient to their idol or continue to be obedient.
Lol this one wants Obi to remain in LP after tinibu don use his tribesmen destroy the party kpatakpata.

Governors, senators, and political leaders have been defecting to APC, we didn't see you open any thread in condemnation of the defections that has been happening in Nigeria for more than two years now.

Obi don defect, now you don find your lost voice.

Hypocrite!
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by SeeWahala: 11:03am On Jan 01
aswani:
Okay, as it is a new year, I will indulge you.

What have I said in that post that beliefs my neutrality?

Happy New year by the way.

You are an interesting Obidient, clearly articulate and humourous, I just wish you will show that side once in a while grin
So, aswani . . . You want to 'Preach to the Choir' this new year abi? 🧐

Happy new year to you too 🤗 just know that as you keep leaving every other politician to focus your bile and attacks on Peter Obi alone lots of people like myself will also subconsciously throw you into the APC RoNu e-minions Camp cool

Peace ✌️
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by budaatum: 11:05am On Jan 01
kayjordan:
It's good to have a support system which you see in Peter Obi.

This acknowledges that we can all play the dirty game and drop the bibles.
Personally, I think Peter Obi has a lousy "support system". I signed up to his webpage but have never received any notice of anything from him, which is very poor especially if I compare it to the UK Labour Party of which I am a due paying card carrying member, and who bombard me with emails weekly; and to the UK Liberal Democratic Party that I also signed up to who ditto. On this issue my Obi disappoints me immensely.

As for dropping the Bible, why, considering it is the most read book of Nigerians?

That would be like telling the British to drop Shakespeare, if you ask me, though it's debatable if that's their most read book. It's not the Bible, as they've moved on, but we haven't yet I reckon, so it's not to be dropped yet, I'd say. But I'm open to your reasons if you'd oblige me.
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by aswani(m): 11:09am On Jan 01
SeeWahala:
So, aswani . . . You want to 'Preach to the Choir' this new year abi? 🧐

Happy new year to you too 🤗 just know that as you keep leaving every other politician to focus your bile and attacks on Peter Obi alone lots of people like myself will also subconsciously throw you into the APC RoNu e-minions Camp cool

Peace ✌️
How am I attacking him again? Are those parties he is moving to on the opposite sides of the political spectrum or not?

Can you be a Republican, then a Democrat, then a Republican again. Where is that done anywhere in the world?

I know he is your messiah but we can still call out the where-belle-face nature of his politics.
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by SeeWahala: 11:13am On Jan 01
aswani:
I know he is your messiah but we can still call out the where-belle-face nature of his politics.
Hehehe 🤭 aswani, you have so much strong opinions expressed MOSTLY towards/concerning Peter Obi for the past year on this nairaland that I have personally witnessed 😏 . . . Permit me to ask you a DIRECT question concerning the statement in this your post above ☝️

aswani, Who is your own MESSIAH in Nigeria's political sphere as at today the 1st of Jan 2026? 🤔

Who will you vote for? WILL YOU VOTE AT ALL? 🧐
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by aswani(m): 11:21am On Jan 01
SeeWahala:
Hehehe 🤭 aswani, you have so much strong opinions expressed MOSTLY towards/concerning Peter Obi for the past year on this nairaland that I have personally witnessed 😏 . . . Permit me to ask you a DIRECT question concerning the statement in this your post above ☝️

aswani, Who is your own MESSIAH in Nigeria's political sphere as at today the 1st of Jan 2026? 🤔

Who will you vote for? WILL YOU VOTE AT ALL? 🧐
I go after others, you either don't see it or don't want to.

Even though it is admittedly invigorating and pleasing when I see some Obidients almost kpai themselves when I just whistler Peter Obi. Dat wan dey sweet my belle, nor bí small, I nor go lie. Small, albeit (very) fulfilling payback for Obidients ganging up to bully me, chikena.

Anyway, I will vote but it won't be for the usual suspects old cargo political class like President Tinubu, Vice President Atiku or Peter Obí.
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by SeeWahala: 11:27am On Jan 01
aswani:
I go after others, you either don't see it or don't want to.

Even though it is admittedly invigorating and pleasing when I see some Obidients almost kpai themselves when I just whistler Peter Obi. Dat wan dey sweet my belle, nor bí small, I nor go lie. Small, albeit (very) fulfilling payback for Obidients ganging up to bully me, chikena.

Anyway, I will vote but it won't be for the usual suspects old cargo political class like President Tinubu, Vice President Atiku or Peter Obí.
Hehehe 🤭 typical hypocrisy of the RoNu ebandit in display cheesy

. . . he said many many things AND YET failed to answer the simple question I posed to him in my prior post 😏

Chameleon pro extraordinaire 🤗
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by kayjordan(op): 11:30am On Jan 01
I didn't specifically imply that Peter Obi should remain in Labour Party but I rather acknowledged his transfer to another party as a good political game tactic.


There's no evidence that President Tinubu used his tribesmen to destabilise the party - however, if your assumption is valid, then it shows the High IQ of Tinubu in the game of politics where there are no rules.


It's true that I never condemned the defections of political office holders to the APC -instead I acknowledged it.


Why it seems I'm being hypocritical supporting defections to APC - and nasty for criticizing Labour party member's defections to other parties,  is rooted in one thing - PERFECTION SYNDROME - this is what the supporters of Labour party displayed like Saints and that's why I'm being nasty, not hypocritical. 




Mbanda:
Lol this one wants Obi to remain in LP after tinibu don use his tribesmen destroy the party kpatakpata.

Governors, senators, and political leaders have been defecting to APC, we didn't see you open any thread in condemnation of the defections that has been happening in Nigeria for more than two years now.

Obi don defect, now you don find your lost voice.

Hypocrite!
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by aswani(m): 11:33am On Jan 01
SeeWahala:
Hehehe 🤭 typical hypocrisy of the RoNu ebandit in display cheesy

. . . he said many many things AND YET failed to answer the simple question I posed to him in my prior post 😏

Chameleon pro extraordinaire 🤗
Oh, if it is the messiah one, I genuinely missed it, nor vex.

I have two actually, Prof Soludo and Bianca.
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by yemre: 11:34am On Jan 01
The obidients are as unstable as their idol. Write it down today, there's gonna be another detection shortly before of after the ADC conducts it's primaries.
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by SeeWahala: 11:35am On Jan 01
aswani:
Oh, if it is the messiah one, I genuinely missed it, nor vex.

I have two actually, Prof Soludo and Bianca.
I bet you do grin

Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by aswani(m): 11:38am On Jan 01
SeeWahala:
I bet you do grin
You see life, you ask me a question, I missed it.

I then answer and you clearly refuse to accept it.

It is Ndigbo turn and I rate those two ahead of Okwute.

You can also verify from my previous posts that I have always batted for them.
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by kayjordan(op): 12:01pm On Jan 01
I know that you feel disappointed in Peter Obi as a supporter - it's because you focused on the patterns of the people's thoughts and not the patterns of the political game.



Communication issues are a real thing in Nigeria and that's reflected in Peter Obi's webpage that you mentioned. It shows micro-leadership flaws even at a campaign level.


The "bible" as a metaphor - represents the morals and ethics the "Obidients" promote either religiously or hypocritically.


Concerning the "Real Bible" - yes it hasn't been dropped by Nigerians and the British too haven't dropped the bible for Shakespeare either. 


Nigerians just treat the bible as an internet modem to access Google for all their problems. 






budaatum:
Personally, I think Peter Obi has a lousy "support system". I signed up to his webpage but have never received any notice of anything from him, which is very poor especially if I compare it to the UK Labour Party of which I am a due paying card carrying member, and who bombard me with emails weekly; and to the UK Liberal Democratic Party that I also signed up to who ditto. On this issue my Obi disappoints me immensely.

As for dropping the Bible, why, considering it is the most read book of Nigerians?

That would be like telling the British to drop Shakespeare, if you ask me, though it's debatable if that's their most read book. It's not the Bible, as they've moved on, but we haven't yet I reckon, so it's not to be dropped yet, I'd say. But I'm open to your reasons if you'd oblige me.
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by Kukutente23: 12:02pm On Jan 01
aswani:
The crazy thing is the lack of a political compass, you go from a right wing party to a left wing party then back to another right wing party.

What principled political person does that and experts to be taken seriously?
What wing is your APC
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by budaatum: 1:02pm On Jan 01
kayjordan:
I know that you feel disappointed in Peter Obi as a supporter - it's because you focused on the patterns of the people's thoughts and not the patterns of the political game.

Communication issues are a real thing in Nigeria and that's reflected in Peter Obi's webpage that you mentioned. It shows micro-leadership flaws even at a campaign level.

The "bible" as a metaphor - represents the morals and ethics the "Obidients" promote either religiously or hypocritically.

Concerning the "Real Bible" - yes it hasn't been dropped by Nigerians and the British too haven't dropped the bible for Shakespeare either. 

Nigerians just treat the bible as an internet modem to access Google for all their problems.
I feel you are using your own narrative as a reason for my disappointment. It would have been better you ask me my reasons instead of filling in your own gaps. My disappointment is because he is not organising his supporters effectively, and wouldn't win if he doesn't.

I note you slipped in "Real Bible" without defining it. In UK, we have replaced Bible with libraries, since we understand what happens to those who read only one book.

Below are current 'Bibles' in a particular area of London. I doubt we have an equivalent in Nigeria.

Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by sirchim(m): 1:14pm On Jan 01
Una go cry blood. The WOTOWOTO way go hit THIEFNIBU Baban Baban BARAWOO, go pass 2023 own. And this time we go resist una rigging, because we know say una no fit win free and fair election.
kayjordan:
This is not a direct attack on the political candidate Peter Obi - but on his avid young supporters who preached sainthood. 


It's a popular culture to switch political parties in Nigeria and also, a popular culture to criticize politicians who do so. In 2023, Peter Obi was polished by Nigerians as the Messiah - and I felt confused... Did they mean the perfect man for the job? Or the better man for the job? - the views I got pointed to the former and it became clear to me.


Labour party which became the Church of the Saints, was publicized with all virtues you could think of - and it felt so sacred that people didn't mind being card carriers of the party. The sacred party in the shortest time ever, began having cracked walls and pillars due to inferior building materials - and everybody in it now wants to run out before the building collapses on them. Some have escaped successfully, some are still acting brave with faint hearts staying in the building because they don't want to be caught cowardly running out of the building - but eventually one of them just did recently - but he ran out majestically. 


Now that the Super Star of the Labour party has been exported to the ADC, will the Obidients cross-pollinate? - Or would they tag the Super Star as part of the "Old Block"? - or would they do damage-control and say - "It's not by what you wear that matters to God, but your heart?" - I dunno...


But what I do know is that - Peter Obi is a fantastic actor, playing very good scripts and doing the job of a Politician as it should. Obidients on the other hand, are the pieces of papers used for the scripts and flung out to the wind after use.

... not just the Labour party though, but other parties do that too.


The nail point: politics is technical-sportsmanship and not some emotional battle. Politicians play it like a game; their supporters play it like war. 

The Obidients probably have a new party since their motivations are attached to the Person rather than the party. 


The moral question is: if they will be disobedient to their idol or continue to be obedient.
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by sirchim(m): 1:21pm On Jan 01
Una go cry blood. The WOTOWOTO way go hit THIEFNIBU Baban Baban BARAWOO, go pass 2023 own. And this time we go resist una rigging, because we know say una no fit win free and fair election
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by kayjordan(op): 4:07pm On Jan 01
It's good as you clarified your disappointment. You made it clear - your observations of his leadership. 


You noted a clause in my Real Bible interpretation. While you may have presented local area evidence of libraries in the UK to prove why ONE book (Real Bible) isn't sufficient for mental development but rather A LIBRARY OF BOOKS - do note that the Church and Bible systems in the UK aren't in extinction.


The consumption of religious contents is controlled by variables such as: age, location, culture, race, economy etc and they are all present in the UK - so, the culture of Bible reading will indeed be less obvious due to it's socio-economic factors. Nigeria is in a more extreme case compared to the UK.


So I haven't slipped, as the Real Bible's definition is common knowledge and doesn't need to be defined. 


So the Bible surely hasn't been dropped in the UK. If you visit a specific library around you with books on Theology, Sociology, Psychology, Medicine and even the internet, you may learn more why the bible hasn't fully been dropped in the UK. 


budaatum:
I feel you are using your own narrative as a reason for my disappointment. It would have been better you ask me my reasons instead of filling in your own gaps. My disappointment is because he is not organising his supporters effectively, and wouldn't win if he doesn't.

I note you slipped in "Real Bible" without defining it. In UK, we have replaced Bible with libraries, since we understand what happens to those who read only one book.

Below are current 'Bibles' in a particular area of London. I doubt we have an equivalent in Nigeria.
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by kayjordan(op): 4:25pm On Jan 01
I see "RIGGING", "2023" and "FREE AND FAIR" in your comment. 

They create a picture of FEAR in your heart.

But let me assist you. You have nothing to be afraid of - just believe in the system and swallow your pride. 

If you don't like the advice - then bring in your soldiers that will resist rigging - I bet you - you and your soldiers won't catch a fly - but you will leave with mosquito bites and malaria. 





sirchim:
Una go cry blood. The WOTOWOTO way go hit THIEFNIBU Baban Baban BARAWOO, go pass 2023 own. And this time we go resist una rigging, because we know say una no fit win free and fair election
Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by budaatum: 5:49pm On Jan 01
kayjordan:
Nigeria is in a more extreme case compared to the UK.
I doubt you know how little Brits read the Bible. It's so bad, even churches are being converted to homes and mosques. But there's really no point us blindly arguing since we can easily consider facts, which I include below for your consideration.

And I never said "isn't sufficient for mental development", though it or any book alone is clearly not sufficient for mental development, as Christ himself said.

Nigeria is currently at a stage that Paul would describe as "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child", while I would propose to you that UK is at the "When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me" stage.

It's why we Nigerians believe, instead of seaking to actually know. We are just not there in sufficient numbers yet, but will get there in due time.

Re: From Obidient To Disobidient? by Mbanda(m): 7:48pm On Jan 01
kayjordan:
I didn't specifically imply that Peter Obi should remain in Labour Party but I rather acknowledged his transfer to another party as a good political game tactic.


There's no evidence that President Tinubu used his tribesmen to destabilise the party - however, if your assumption is valid, then it shows the High IQ of Tinubu in the game of politics where there are no rules.


It's true that I never condemned the defections of political office holders to the APC -instead I acknowledged it.


Why it seems I'm being hypocritical supporting defections to APC - and nasty for criticizing Labour party member's defections to other parties,  is rooted in one thing - PERFECTION SYNDROME - this is what the supporters of Labour party displayed like Saints and that's why I'm being nasty, not hypocritical.
The fact remains that, you are being "hypocritical" not nasty.

You saw the rubbish apapa (a yoruba man) was doing with the leadership of LP you didn't say anything because, you were blind and dumb when all the apapa nonsense were happening.

You saw and heard about many defections from Other political parties to APC you still remained quite waiting for Obi to defect. And immediately Obi did what other political leaders has been doing, you now remember its time for you to swing into action and you want us to see your actions as being " nasty"?
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