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paltielx:
If they don't celebrate Christmas I can't say they're wrong by not celebrating it, Jesus Christ did not command Christians to celebrate his birthday, there's no record in the Bible that the first century Christians celebrated his birthday and there's no evidence Jesus was born that day.
Actually Christmas has pagans origin

What exactly did Jesus command Christians?

Janosky:
Oga stop deceiving yourself with spurious claims.

Cointer what i have just said with reasonable explanation, you can't.

Jesus Christ said it, nothing is hidden under the sun.

Anything you find yourself doing continually that you do not have a clear picture or have a reasonable explanation of how it works, check it, there is high probability that you are being deceived. It's like a ponzi scheme.

That's how your kingdom hall is doing you people

Janosky:
Matt 6:9-10 & Daniel 2:44 is self explanatory.

Those who neglect God's purpose & biblical patterns can't understand Daniel 2:44 & Matt 6:9-10.

I laugh una

Even a 12 years old child in Christianity with his little bible knowledge, can relate Daniel's prophecies to all the parables Jesus said about God's kingdom and tell you exactly what Jesus meant by God's kingdom.

And i can sense that you are someone above 30 years old if I'm not mistaken. And you are just wasting in your kingdom halls

I ask you the question again, what is God's kingdom?
Give me straight answer

Dtruthspeaker:
1) Christianity does not have pagan origins.
https://www.nairaland.com/8326278/christianity-does-not-pagan-roots#133866110

2) There is no record of in the bible that the first Christians peed and pood, played and joked, so do you say it did not happen?

Jws have so perverted the bible both in word and in doctrine that no reasonable person would ever call them Christians. And this is in addition to their strange and weird behaviour and appearance which gives everybody a creepy feeling

Lolz. Since no record of the first christians pooing or peeing was written in the Bible, then Christians can do Halloween too, right? I'm not a JW. I just don't fancy illogical expressions.

TokoEkambi:
Lolz. Since no record of the first christians pooing or peeing was written in the Bible, then Christians can do Halloween too, right? I'm not a JW. I just don't fancy illogical expressions.

Many things are Written in the bible and people did otherwise, so this does not stand.

paxonel:
wrong deduction

Deeper life, MFM and others have their reasons not to celebrate Christmas. This reasons are not because they are not Christians.
But for Jehovah witnesses, the reason is clearly because they are not Christians because they trickly reject Jesus Christ which Deeper life, MFM and others have not done.

If one do not properly analyse your doctrines, they will never know that by your tricks, you reject Jesus Christ.

Many of you don't even know that!
You are just floating in your kingdom halls.

Watchtower is another religion entirely from Christianity.

We also have similar others like Ekankaar, Amok, etc. All these religions make reference to Jesus Christ in the bible too, like Jehovah witnesses.
Even Muslims do

paxonel:
Cointer what i have just said with reasonable explanation, you can't.

Jesus Christ said it, nothing is hidden under the sun.

Anything you find yourself doing continually that you do not have a clear picture or have a reasonable explanation of how it works, check it, there is high probability that you are being deceived. It's like a ponzi scheme.

That's how your kingdom hall is doing you people

Screenshot evidence & our official webpage you can check out too.
Please stop deceiving yourself.
Throw your bias & spurious claims into the dustbin.

paxonel:
I laugh una

Even a 12 years old child in Christianity with his little bible knowledge, can relate Daniel's prophecies to all the parables Jesus said about God's kingdom and tell you exactly what Jesus meant by God's kingdom.

And i can sense that you are someone above 30 years old if I'm not mistaken. And you are just wasting in your kingdom halls

I ask you the question again, what is God's kingdom?
Give me straight answer

Daniel 2:44
“During the reigns of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed or conquered. It will crush all these kingdoms into nothingness and it will
stand forever.

God's kingdom means God's government under the rulership of Jesus Christ.
Jesus prayed "Our Father let your kingdom come" (from Heaven to the earth (to fullfil Dan 2:44.) & fulfil Rev 21:3-5.

Pastor,have you ever studied your Bible to this level?

Janosky:
God's kingdom means God's government under the rulership of Jesus Christ.

Wrong!
There is no such government!

You see why i say you people are not Christians?
You are waiting for one Jesus government that will come and overthrow Tinubu goverment?

What a height of delusion

Janosky:
Screenshot evidence & our official webpage you can check out too.
Please stop deceiving yourself.
Throw your bias & spurious claims into the dustbin.

He is ashamed of his church after seeing how they've become money lovers so he is now angrily seeking ways to accuse God's organization instead of repentance!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
He is ashamed of his church after seeing how they've become money lovers so he is now angrily seeking ways to accuse God's organization instead of repentance!🙂

There is nothing like God's organization stop deceiving yourselves
Salvation is not dependent on repentance but on FAITH.
Jesus did not establish any church or organization
We have the body of Christ worldwide which is one church, one religion and that is Christianity.
Jehovah witnesses have their own religion called watchtower, that is not Christianity.
It has been there since 0001 AD

Muslims have their own religion called Islam, that is also not Christianity
The Jews have their own religion called Judaism which Jesus denoted as the scribes and Pharisees in the bible, that is also not Christianity.

From this knowledge, the question now is what is kingdom of God according to Daniel's prophecies and Jesus parables ?
You cannot tell

You are even more confused and dumbfounded than the scribes and Pharisees

paxonel:
Jesus did not establish any church or organization.

You are free to argue with God's word?🙂

So I tell you, you are Peter. And I will build my church on this rock. The power of death will not be able to defeat my church. Matthew 16:18

MaxInDHouse:
You are free to argue with God's word?🙂

So I tell you, you are Peter. And I will build my church on this rock. The power of death will not be able to defeat my church. Matthew 16:18

And I'm telling you that, that church Jesus build is Christianity worldwide!
It is not any organization or church build by man.

The question is, what is God's kingdom?

paxonel:
And I'm telling you that, that church Jesus build is Christianity worldwide!
It is not any organization or church build by man.
The question is, what is God's kingdom?

No he is not talking about different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines claiming they are worshiping him rather he is talking about a global organization of faithful people who have the same line of thought regarding teaching and doctrine {John 17:22} they have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} and they are globally known for being peaceful in all nations! Act 1:8

So you don't know what Jesus built!🙂

paxonel:
There is nothing like God's organization stop deceiving yourselves
Salvation is not dependent on repentance but on FAITH.

Jesus did not establish any church or organization
We have the body of Christ worldwide which is one church, one religion and that is Christianity.
Jehovah witneszses have their own religion called watchtower, that is not Christianity.
It has been there since 0001 AD

Acts 3:19-20
19"Repent therefore and be converted, so that your sins will be blotted out, and the times of rest from before the face of THE LORD JEHOVAH will come to you." 20"And he shall send to you The One who was prepared * for you, Yeshua The Messiah"


Oga, shebi 2 Chronicles 7:14 & Acts 3:19-20 is in your Bible?
Continue deceiving yourself with false claims.

paxonel:
And I'm telling you that, that church Jesus build is Christianity worldwide!
It is not any organization or church build by man.

The question is, what is God's kingdom?

You denied Dan 2:44 & Matt 6:9-10.
You don't know your Bible let alone believe in it.

paxonel:
Wrong!
There is no such government!

You see why i say you people are not Christians?
You are waiting for one Jesus government that will come and overthrow Tinubu goverment?

What a height of delusion

Luke 1:31-33 confirms Daniel 2:44 & Matt 6:9-10.
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Unbelievers don't want Luke 1:31-33, Daniel 2:44 & Matt 6:9-10 in their bibles.

Janosky:
Luke 1:31-33 confirms Daniel 2:44 & Matt 6:9-10.
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

[b]33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

you people are not understanding it.

Engage your brain and think over this.

God created Adam and Eve to live forever like God,but they sinned along the line and death came to mankind.
Understand that death is a spirit.
And when God created man, he breathed his spirit into man, so life is also a spirit.

So, basically there two types of spirit.
1.The holy spirit from God which giveth life
2. The other spirits which are not from God

Hence, Daniel's prophecies.
For instance, his vision about the great statue. It also prophesied about the coming of the holy spirit which is Jesus.
And prophet Isaiah also mentioned the same thing.

The summary of it all is, the government of Jesus is the holy spirit in man that restores the eternal life that Adam and Eve lost in the beginning 1 cor 15:22.
It is not any physical or man made government that rules any physical country or state.
That's why, when Pilate interrogated Jesus, are you coming to set up a parallel government with the Roman Empire who was ruling Israel at that time?
That is treasonable!

But Jesus let him know that his government is not of this world.
Meaning, his government is not a parallel government. But rather, it is the holy spirit in the heart of his believer(his disciples) which restores eternal life back to the believer.
Romans 10:10.

So Pilate could not find any fault in him or anything treasonable

With this understanding, the big question that your kingdom hall has refused to answer so that you become a Christian is, WHAT IS GOD'S KINGOM?

Until you answer that question for yourself and by yourself alone, you are not a Christian.

Unbelievers don't want Luke 1:31-33, Daniel 2:44 & Matt 6:9-10 in[/b] their bibles.

Unbelievers are people who don't know. Eg Jw, Muslims, Atheists, etc
The day they know, from that day they will believe. Romans 10:17

paxonel:
you people are not understanding it.

Engage your brain and think over this.

God created Adam and Eve to live forever like God,but they sinned along the line and death came to mankind.
Understand that death is a spirit.
And when God created man, he breathed his spirit into man, so life is also a spirit.

So, basically there two types of spirit.
1.The holy spirit from God which giveth life
2. The other spirits which are not from God

Hence, Daniel's prophecies.
For instance, his vision about the great statue. It also prophesied about the coming of the holy spirit which is Jesus.
And prophet Isaiah also mentioned the same thing.

The summary of it all is, the government of Jesus is the holy spirit in man that restores the eternal life that Adam and Eve lost in the beginning 1 cor 15:22.
It is not any physical or man made government that rules any physical country or state.
That's why, when Pilate interrogated Jesus, are you coming to set up a parallel government with the Roman Empire who was ruling Israel at that time?
That is treasonable!

But Jesus let him know that his government is not of this world.
Meaning, his government is not a parallel government. But rather, it is the holy spirit in the heart of his believer(his disciples) which restores eternal life back to the believer.
Romans 10:10.

So Pilate could not find any fault in him or anything treasonable

With this understanding, the big question that your kingdom hall has refused to answer so that you become a Christian is, WHAT IS GOD'S KINGOM?

Until you answer that question for yourself and by yourself alone, you are not a Christian.

Unbelievers are people who don't know. Eg Jw, Muslims, Atheists, etc
The day they know, from that day they will believe. Romans 10:17

Oga, your theory is not in your Bible.

Oga,which Bible verse teach you that God's kingdom is "holy spirit in the heart of men"?

@ Luke 1:31-33 why do you ignore your Bibles evidence that Jesus would sit on a throne in the kingdom of God?
Or ,
are you gonna be LYING that the throne does not exist when in fact you knew that David sat on God's throne?
Oga,stop deceiving yourself.

Janosky:
Oga, your theory is not in your Bible.

Oga,which Bible verse teach you that God's kingdom is "holy spirit in the heart of men"?

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you...

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

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1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you...
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Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. [/quote]
Paxonel theory not in the holy Bible.
Paxonel post:
It also prophesied about the coming of the holy spirit which is Jesus.
And prophet Isaiah also mentioned the same thing.

The summary of it all is, the government of Jesus is the holy spirit in man that restores the eternal life that Adam and Eve lost in the beginning 1 cor 15:22.

Question for paxonel:
Did 1 Corinthians 6:19 teach that the government of Jesus is the holy spirit in man?

Man made theory disguised as Bible truth.

Dtruthspeaker:
He explained that he felt it was pagan since it appeared to have coincided with a pagan festival or something.

That is a reasonable and understandable ground. But I don't think the reason supplied by JW is reasonable.

Romans 14:5–6
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever does not regard one day as special does so to the Lord as well

I just want to know whether you people are deliberately rejecting fundamental truth

Janosky:
Question for paxonel:
Did 1 Corinthians 6:19 teach that the government of Jesus is the holy spirit in man?

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you...

When Isaiah said "And the government shall be upon his shoulder'... Isaiah 9:6

He was referring to God's kingdom also mentioned in all the parables spoken by Jesus in the new testament.

So, the word Government as mentioned by Isaiah, and the term "God's kingdom" can be used interchangeably in the context of the bible.

Do you agree?

If you do not agree that the word government refers to God's kingdom, explain yourself

If you agree, then i can explain to you how God's kingdom is holy spirit in man

tctrills:
Romans 14:5–6
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever does not regard one day as special does so to the Lord as well

That is only if they are for the Lord. And jws are not for the Lord. See, how janosky lied by editing my post and everyone is tired of calling Max a liar and now he blocked all who say so. We can see their fruits and they are certainly pick from God

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paxonel:
I just want to know whether you people are deliberately rejecting fundamental truth
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you...

When Isaiah said "And the government shall be upon his shoulder'... Isaiah 9:6

He was referring to God's kingdom also mentioned in all the parables spoken by Jesus in the new testament.


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So, the word Government as mentioned by Isaiah, and the term "God's kingdom" can be used interchangeably in the context of the bible.

Do you agree?

If you do not agree that the word government refers to God's kingdom, explain yourself

If you agree, then i can explain to you how God's kingdom is holy spirit in man

1. Where did you got your theory " Gods kingdom is holy spirit in man @ 1 Cor 6:19?
Na wao!

2. Yes,agreed.

tctrills:
Romans 14:5–6
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever does not regard one day as special does so to the Lord as well

Can you provide evidence from your Bible that the believers Paul wrote the epistle to, read Romans 14:5-6 & thereafter commenced annual birthday/ Christmas celebrations for themselves?

Dtruthspeaker:
That is only if they are for the Lord. And jws are not for the Lord. See, how janosky lied by editing my post and everyone is tired of calling Max a liar and now he blocked all who say so. We can see their fruits and they are certainly pick from God

Continue deceiving yourself.
No be today you start am.

Janosky:
Can you provide evidence from your Bible that the believers Paul wrote the epistle to, read Romans 14:5-6 & thereafter commenced annual birthday/ Christmas celebrations for themselves?

This is a foolish and meaningless question and I will tell you why.
Paul's message here is enough evidence to anyone to show that you are free to recognize any day of you choosing for the Lord.
Paul is simply saying that its ok to recognize a day unto the Lord if you want.
So it doesn't matter if the people in Paul's days celebrated Christmas or not, it doesn't even matter if anyone celebrates or not. As a believer, you are free to consider one day more sacred than another, it is not a sin.

Janosky:
Yes,agreed.

Good

Next, do you agree that in a bid to let the Pharisees believe that he was the coming Messiah the Jews were waiting for, Jesus made this statement to the Pharisees to let them know that he was the kingdom of God within them?

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

If you do not agree, explain the scripture how you understand it let's see

paxonel:
Good

Next, do you agree that in a bid to let the Pharisees believe that he was the coming Messiah the Jews were waiting for, Jesus made this statement to the Pharisees to let them know that he was the kingdom of God within them?

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

If you do not agree, explain the scripture how you understand it let's see

Jesus message "Repent for kingdom of God is at hand.
Did Jesus mean the kingdom of God is at people's hands?
No, he meant the kingdom of God has drawn near.
Luke 17:21, Jesus meant that he (Messenger/Representative) of Gods kingdom was in the midst of the Jews preaching to them to mend their ways & follow Christ to worship Jehovah God. Jn 9:4

tctrills:
This is a foolish and meaningless question and I will tell you why.
Paul's message here is enough evidence to anyone to show that you are free to recognize any day of you choosing for the Lord.
Paul is simply saying that its ok to recognize a day unto the Lord if you want.
So it doesn't matter if the people in Paul's days celebrated Christmas or not, it doesn't even matter if anyone celebrates or not. As a believer, you are free to consider one day more sacred than another, it is not a sin.

You take pleasure in deceiving yourself.
Which believer in Rome took it upon himself to do birthday or Christmas?
You cant even reason that Christmas began roughly almost 800 years after the last apostle died.

Who born you to import strange doctrines & cause divisions among believers in Paul's time?

Janosky:
You take pleasure in deceiving yourself.
Which believer in Rome took it upon himself to do birthday or Christmas?
You cant even reason that Christmas began roughly almost 800 years after the last apostle died.

Who born you to import strange doctrines & cause divisions among believers in Paul's time?

So you know more than paul who taught that believers are free to dedicate a day to the Lord?
Oga your church is not zhe standard for Christianity, the teachings of Jesus Christ and His apostle is the standard.
Even if the people in Rome at that time did not celebrate Christmas, as long as the teachings of Paul clearly stated that it is not a sin, who are you to judge?

Even if Christmas started 1 million years after the death of Christ, the teachings of Paul makes it clear that it is acceptable to God.

Lets read the verse again.

Romans 14:5–6
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever does not regard one day as special does so to the Lord as well

Christmas is done unto the Lord thats whats important