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DeepSight:
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Doubtless there will be much even our instruments cannot perceive. Unknown unknowns. Things that we cannot even conceive of and thus cannot create an instrument for at all. Anymore than an ant can conceive of computer software.

Do you believe there are invisible unicorns

FxMasterz:
No, I know what I worship.

I operate at a frequency you cannot perceive because you cannot bring yourself to the exercise of the tasks that could make you perceive God.

Delusions of grandeur. Borderline psychosis.
Bro, since u operate on a higher frequency, tell us what happens there? Or are you the only one seeing it?

FxMasterz:
Look around you, His evidence are everywhere around you. Nothing you see around you came into existence by accident. An intelligent programmer programmed them into being, and that includes your body.

Look around you,you'll see the evidence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. His Noodly Limbs is ever present

jaephoenix:
Do you believe there are invisible unicorns

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No but it is hard scientific fact that we cannot see most of what there is to be seen even around us.
If you dont know that, the joke is on you.

I am not interested in this discussion if you wish to make kindergarten level jibes of it.

DeepSight:
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No but it is hard scientific fact that we cannot see most of what there is to be seen even around us.
If you dont know that, the joke is on you.

I am not interested in this discussion if you wish to make kindergarten level jibes of it.

I didn't say ww humans can interface with all spectrums. You are not getting my point.
So what if I tell you this invisible unicorn created you and i,would you believe me? Yes or no?

jaephoenix:
I didn't say ww humans can interface with all spectrums. You are not getting my point.
So what if I tell you this invisible unicorn created you and i,would you believe me? Yes or no?

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It would sound to me as though you are trying to make a joke of the conversation.

Just so you know, I don't believe in Yahweh, Allah etc any more than I believe in any FSM or invisible Unicorn.

DeepSight:
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It would sound to me as though you are trying to make a joke of the conversation.

Just so you know, I don't believe in Yahweh, Allah etc any more than I believe in any FSM or invisible Unicorn.

It's a hypothetical question. So answer it please

jaephoenix:
It's a hypothetical question. So answer it please

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No, I would see no reason to believe you.

DeepSight:
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No, I would see no reason to believe you.

Why. I need your reasons

jaephoenix:
You saying you don't know doesn't make one stvvpid, it actually makes one smart. If you say we cant see beyond a point,how do you know there is something beyond that spectrum? Ok,let's assume there's a creator. Which one outta the 1000s gods claim should we believe and why

If you've said you don't know, then no one would query you, but to say "No God" means you know. You know absolutely that there's no God.

Meanwhile, what you don't know is infinitely more voluminous than what you know.

You contradict yourself when you say you don't know and turn back to say there's no God

I wouldn't go into any detailed arguments with you because I can see clearly that you atheists don't want to be logical at all. If what you know is infinitesimally small considered to what you need to know, how can you talk in absolutes?

Your flying spaghetti monster mockery doesn't make any sense too. If the flying spaghetti monster is what you call the cause of all things, then, though it's invisible, then it's God. What we mean by God is not anything other than the Causer of all things because it is indisputable that there's a Cause for everything that exists.

There are things all around us that couldn't have happened or exist by accident. There are some that even require very precise calibrations to keep the earth in shape. You can't come and tell me that such numerous instances of precise calibrations were accidental. Atheism is practical nonesene. That's why most scientists don't subscribe to it.

Our world is just like a spec of dust in an ocean in comparison to the universe. We don't even have the knowledge of everything that exists in our world as we humans can only perceive things within certain frequencies. There are frequencies that we know nothing about, and which our instruments cannot detect. Then, there's the vast universe of which our knowledge is 0% approximately.

You,a tiny spec of dust in the scheme of things with all your limited capabilities to perceive cannot rise up to talk in absolutes. It's practically illogical. Very unwise.

The best you can do is to say "I don't know" and keep investigating. The moment you claim there's no God, you've already crossed the threshold of balanced reasoning because you don't know what exists within the frequencies you're unaware of, neither do you know what exists in the universe trillions of light years away.

FxMasterz:
If you've said you don't know, then no one would query you, but to say "No God" means you know. You know absolutely that there's no God.

Meanwhile, what you don't know is infinitely more voluminous than what you know.

You contradict yourself when you say you don't know and turn back to say there's no God

I wouldn't go into any detailed arguments with you because I can see clearly that you atheists don't want to be logical at all. If what you know is infinitesimally small considered to what you need to know, how can you talk in absolutes?

Your flying spaghetti monster mockery doesn't make any sense too. If the flying spaghetti monster is what you call the cause of all things, then, though it's invisible, then it's God. What we mean by God is not anything other than the Causer of all things because it is indisputable that there's a Cause for everything that exists.

There are things all around us that couldn't have happened or exist by accident. There are some that even require very precise calibrations to keep the earth in shape. You can't come and tell me that such numerous instances of precise calibrations were accidental. Atheism is practical nonesene. That's why most scientists don't subscribe to it.

Our world is just like a spec of dust in an ocean in comparison to the universe. We don't even have the knowledge of everything that exists in our world as we humans can only perceive things within certain frequencies. There are frequencies that we know nothing about, and which our instruments cannot detect. Then, there's the vast universe of which our knowledge is 0% approximately.

You,a tiny spec of dust in the scheme of things with all your limited capabilities to perceive cannot rise up to talk in absolutes. It's practically illogical. Very unwise.

The best you can do is to say "I don't know" and keep investigating. The moment you claim there's no God, you've already crossed the threshold of balanced reasoning because you don't know what exists within the frequencies you're unaware of, neither do you know what exists in the universe trillions of light years away.

You said the the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't make sense,then next thing u call it god.
A theist tryna argue logic with atheists? Interesting
Someone that believes in talking donkeys and bushes,mass zombie resurrections,sun and moon standing still is claiming to be logical? Your dealer is good.
What things around us was calibrated? I'm waiting....
You say our world is a spec of dust and we don't know much. So how come you are confident that you yourself know anything?
Answer this question. DO YOU BELIEVE THE the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the creator of the universe? And why

jaephoenix:
You said the the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't make sense,then next thing u call it god.

I didn't call it god. I said if it's the Causer of all things.... This is one one the readings why I don't like engaging you because you never stand on truth.

A theist tryna argue logic with atheists? Interesting
Someone that believes in talking donkeys and bushes,mass zombie resurrections,sun and moon standing still is claiming to be logical? Your dealer is good.

That may be beyond you. That they can't happen at your frequency doesn't mean they cannot happen at a supernatural frequency. I wouldn't want to educate you on all those because I won't digress.

What things around us was calibrated? I'm waiting....

Are you this ignorant? Even screening 'I'm waiting' as if what I said is a farce.

Let me briefly educate you about the Anthropic Principle - The idea that the universe's fundamental constants (gravity, speed of light, etc.) are "fine-tuned" or calibrated for life on Earth.

Examples:
- Earth's distance from the Sun: Just right for liquid water.
- Oxygen levels: Perfect for life as we know it .
- Water's unique properties: H2O's quirks enable life

Go and make further research. There are many more. Go research and educate yourself.

You say our world is a spec of dust and we don't know much. So how come you are confident that you yourself know anything?

We don't know much but when we touch unnatural frequencies, we experience more. And those of us who have tasted the more can confidently tell you what you don't know. Your denials and rejections cannot delete our experiences.

But, at least we all know there's a Cause. And we call that Cause God, while you illogically say you don't know what the Cause is, therefore no God.

Answer this question. DO YOU BELIEVE THE the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the creator of the universe? And why

If your flying spaghetti monster means the Causer of all things, then yes. If it means something else, then no. You can call the Cause of all things whatever you like as long as you acknowledge that you're referring to the Entity that caused all things to exist.

Call Him what you like but you can never tell me that all that exists was caused by nothing.

FxMasterz:
If you've said you don't know, then no one would query you, but to say "No God" means you know. You know absolutely that there's no God.

Meanwhile, what you don't know is infinitely more voluminous than what you know.

You contradict yourself when you say you don't know and turn back to say there's no God

I wouldn't go into any detailed arguments with you because I can see clearly that you atheists don't want to be logical at all. If what you know is infinitesimally small considered to what you need to know, how can you talk in absolutes?

Your flying spaghetti monster mockery doesn't make any sense too. If the flying spaghetti monster is what you call the cause of all things, then, though it's invisible, then it's God. What we mean by God is not anything other than the Causer of all things because it is indisputable that there's a Cause for everything that exists.

There are things all around us that couldn't have happened or exist by accident. There are some that even require very precise calibrations to keep the earth in shape. You can't come and tell me that such numerous instances of precise calibrations were accidental. Atheism is practical nonesene. That's why most scientists don't subscribe to it.

Our world is just like a spec of dust in an ocean in comparison to the universe. We don't even have the knowledge of everything that exists in our world as we humans can only perceive things within certain frequencies. There are frequencies that we know nothing about, and which our instruments cannot detect. Then, there's the vast universe of which our knowledge is 0% approximately.

You,a tiny spec of dust in the scheme of things with all your limited capabilities to perceive cannot rise up to talk in absolutes. It's practically illogical. Very unwise.

The best you can do is to say "I don't know" and keep investigating. The moment you claim there's no God, you've already crossed the threshold of balanced reasoning because you don't know what exists within the frequencies you're unaware of, neither do you know what exists in the universe trillions of light years away.

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Very well said.

In these things, I align with you.

But please here is my own: how do you cross from a cause to a personal, concerned, loving and good God?

DeepSight:
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Very well said.

In these things, I align with you.

But please here is my own: how do you cross from a cause to a personal, concerned, loving and good God?

The truth is that, knowing that there's a Cause is a good starting point especially if the intelligent order of things around you is not sufficient enough to convince you. Then, there's the Cause option to explore.

God is not hiding away. He is there in nature, in your conscience and in your intuition. Every human naturally have a leaning towards an unseen supernatural Being. Atheists work hard to shut down this intuition in themselves. Every human has that sense of God in his heart.

Now, when you genuinely seek to find and to know this God, and make all necessary efforts to find Him, He'll naturally draw you to Himself. He'll help you to differentiate between Himself and the myriads of fake gods out there. It all starts with desire. Over time, if you seek God sincerely, no matter where you are coming from, He'll draw you to Himself.

FxMasterz:
The truth is that, knowing that there's a Cause is a good starting point especially if the intelligent order of things around you is not sufficient enough to convince you. Then, there's the Cause option to explore.

God is not hiding away. He is there in nature, in your conscience and in your intuition. Every human naturally have a leaning towards an unseen supernatural Being. Atheists work hard to shut down this intuition in themselves. Every human has that sense of God in his heart.

Now, when you genuinely seek to find and to know this God, and make all necessary efforts to find Him, He'll naturally draw you to Himself. He'll help you to differentiate between Himself and the myriads of fake gods out there. It all starts with desire. Over time, if you seek God sincerely, no matter where you are coming from, He'll draw you to Himself.

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This is well said and appreciated. I find it hard though, considering the evil of the world inherent in creation - or whatever we call this strange and contradictory reality.

PS: Bear in mind Isaiah 45:7.

DeepSight:
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This is well said and appreciated. I find it hard though, considering the evil of the world inherent in creation - or whatever we call this strange and contradictory reality.

It isn't contradictory. You just need to understand that God created the world for man and to be under the total control of man without any external inference. God created man as a totalitarian over the world. Whatever man permits for this world is man's choice for the world, and God does not interfere except when His intervention is deliberately sought.

You actually need to start relating with God to understand that man allowed the evils he's seeding in his world, and are majorly orchestrated by man himself. God does not interfere in man's leadership of the world. Man can enjoy whatever he created for himself if he considers it good for himself. God does not interfere except when invited, or when He decides to intervene occasionally for special reasons.

Man is a Sovereign over the world, and that sovereignty is respected by God.

FxMasterz:
It isn't contradictory. You just need to understand that God created the world for man and to be under the total control of man without any external inference. God created man as a totalitarian over the world. Whatever man permits for this world is man's choice for the world, and God does not interfere except when His intervention is deliberately sought.

You actually need to start relating with God to understand that man allowed the evils he's seeding in his world, and are majorly orchestrated by man himself. God does not interfere in man's leadership of the world. Man can enjoy whatever he created for himself if he considers it good for himself. God does not interfere except when invited, or when He decides to intervene occasionally for special reasons.

Man is a Sovereign over the world, and that sovereignty is respected by God.

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Have you read Isaiah 45:7? KJV.

FxMasterz:
It isn't contradictory. You just need to understand that God created the world for man and to be under the total control of man without any external inference. God created man as a totalitarian over the world. Whatever man permits for this world is man's choice for the world, and God does not interfere except when His intervention is deliberately sought.

You actually need to start relating with God to understand that man allowed the evils he's seeding in his world, and are majorly orchestrated by man himself. God does not interfere in man's leadership of the world. Man can enjoy whatever he created for himself if he considers it good for himself. God does not interfere except when invited, or when He decides to intervene occasionally for special reasons.

Man is a Sovereign over the world, and that sovereignty is respected by God.

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What then would you say of manifest evil in nature which man has no part in?

Before man existed, animal predators existed so you cant blame predatory nature on man. Mosquitoes existed. Diseases existed. Dinosaurs had cancer and this has been proven with science. Natural disasters exist which dont discriminate. Tragedy and misery are inherent to the world even if you remove man from the equation.

Furthermore, how can an omniscient God create a world which he knows will end up in evil and punish man for the evil he knew was inherent in what he created?

A creator, surely is responsible for the evil he created. The created being cant be the one responsible. I know you will divert to freewill, which is highly questionable.

DeepSight:
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Have you read Isaiah 45:7? KJV.

Isaiah 45:7 is talking of God's place as Judge. The good are created to reward good works, and the evils are created to judge evil.deeds. A judge creates death and life. That does not make the judge a good man or a bad man. God is Judge. You can do what you like as per your sovereignty but you cannot determine the retribution that would come unto you afterwards. Every cause has an effect which could be either good or bad, and they're all the creations of God.

FxMasterz:
Isaiah 45:7 is talking of God's place as Judge. The good are created to reward good works, and the evils are created to judge evil.deeds. A judge creates death and life. That does not make the judge a good man or a bad man. God is Judge. You can do what you like as per your sovereignty but you cannot determine the retribution that would come unto you afterwards. Every cause has an effect which could be either good or bad, and they're all the creations of God.

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Interesting submission.
But it does say he creates evil. Not just judge what is evil.

DeepSight:
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What then would you say of manifest evil in nature which man has no part in?

Before man existed, animal predators existed so you cant blame predatory nature on man. Mosquitoes existed. Diseases existed. Dinosaurs had cancer and this has been proven with science. Natural disasters exist which dont discriminate. Tragedy and misery are inherent to the world even if you remove man from the equation.

The Bible has an answer for that but it's a broad topic which I'll just summarize.

Satan is the source of all manifest evil. He was in the world before man. In fact, man was created as an instrument of judgement for Satan. This is the reason why Satan hates man with fervent hatred.

Satan was in heaven with God, and then aspired to overthrow his Maker. He was a special being. A masterpiece of God's creative expertise. His frame made him proud and arrogant. He then schemed against God and was cast down here to earth from heaven. Then the "...the earth became without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep." God then decided to restore the earth, but He created animals before man.

God's purpose for restoring the earth was to create man from dust, and make that dust rule Satan in eternal humiliation. So, God created man and made him the Sovereign on the same earth where Satan dwelt. Satan couldn't stand the humiliation, so he schemed to snatch the Sovereignty away from man. Satan succeeds and became the god of this world. God didn't interfere because man as sovereign has the final say on whatever he does in the world. If man has decided to exchange positions with Satan, then, so be it.

Satan reigned from a position of authority over the world, and began to multiply evils as he pleased.

Furthermore, how can an omniscient God create a world which he knows will end up in evil and punish man for the evil he knew was inherent in what he created?

A creator, surely is responsible for the evil he created. The created being cant be the one responsible. I know you will divert to freewill, which is highly questionable.

No, not freewill.

God knew evil will come because man would fail, but nonetheless, God's purpose for man as His medium of punishment for Satan must be fulfilled. However, God also has a rescue plan for man to restore him to his initial position of Sovereignty after giving Satan enough time to repent.

God is not punishing man for any evil. This is a misunderstanding. Instead, God is punishing Satan for his evils. Man would be exonerated if he comes into God's provision for his exoneration.

God wants to cleanse the earth, remove Satan and stop all evils. The earth would then continue eternally as was originally planned - evil free. However, man needs to be cleansed so that the evils of that old world would not be carried over into the reordered world by human carriers.

So, cleansed humans who are of no threat to the new world would pass over into the new world. Satan is absent. God has devised a new form of punishment for him - everlasting fire. In the absence of Satan and human carriers of evil, Good and righteousness continue forever in the new world.

God is not punishing man for any evil in the world, otherwise, He wouldn't make provisions for his cleansing. Men who reject the cleansing are considered a threat to the new world God is establishing, and must therefore be ridded out by quarantining them in the same place where all evils are quarantined.

If antichristian2 understands this plan of God, he'll see the reason why Islam missed it, and also understand why Satan has to deny that Jesus died. Jesus's death is for man's cleansing which is a huge threat to Satan. Satan has to deny it because that's the only way he can stop men from being cleansed.

God intentionally created the world. The world would continue as planned but Satan must be out, men must be cleansed. Then, righteousness reigns forever and ever.

DeepSight:
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Interesting submission.
But it does say he creates evil. Not just judge what is evil.

When you read Isaiah 38:22-23, you'll find God said He created those evils and stored them against the day of war.

The day of war means the days of judgement. God's war is God's judgement. God's judgement is God's war.

FxMasterz:
I didn't call it god. I said if it's the Causer of all things.... This is one one the readings why I don't like engaging you because you never stand on truth.


That may be beyond you. That they can't happen at your frequency doesn't mean they cannot happen at a supernatural frequency. I wouldn't want to educate you on all those because I won't digress.


Are you this ignorant? Even screening 'I'm waiting' as if what I said is a farce.

Let me briefly educate you about the Anthropic Principle - The idea that the universe's fundamental constants (gravity, speed of light, etc.) are "fine-tuned" or calibrated for life on Earth.

Examples:
- Earth's distance from the Sun: Just right for liquid water.
- Oxygen levels: Perfect for life as we know it .
- Water's unique properties: H2O's quirks enable life

Go and make further research. There are many more. Go research and educate yourself.



We don't know much but when we touch unnatural frequencies, we experience more. And those of us who have tasted the more can confidently tell you what you don't know. Your denials and rejections cannot delete our experiences.

But, at least we all know there's a Cause. And we call that Cause God, while you illogically say you don't know what the Cause is, therefore no God.


If your flying spaghetti monster means the Causer of all things, then yes. If it means something else, then no. You can call the Cause of all things whatever you like as long as you acknowledge that you're referring to the Entity that caused all things to exist.

Call Him what you like but you can never tell me that all that exists was caused by nothing.

1.So to you,the Causer of all things isn't a god?
So what makes your own favorite Yhwh,both the Causer and god?
2.Oga,for the umpteenth time,you haven't brought evidence that there is something happening at this supernatural frequency.
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No, Earth's distance from the Sun isn't "perfect" because its orbit is an ellipse, not a circle, meaning the distance changes (about 3 million miles closer in January, farther in July), but this variation is small (around 3-7%) and doesn't cause major climate shifts; instead, Earth's position is considered "good enough" for life, falling within the habitable zone, though it's not necessarily the absolute optimal, as the Sun's gradual brightening will eventually push Earth out of this zone in billions of years.
Also humans can survive with air oxygen levels of 19% and up to 22%. We are adaptable creatures. So it's not a fine tuned environment for living,and it's undergoing change as we chat and argue.
Water's unique properties enables life and so does other liquids. Water in the wrong part of the body can spell death. So it's not a function of water being perfect for us, it's a function of us being perfect for water.

And for the umpteenth time,what experiences are you talking about? Tell us about it. Remember anyone can pop up and fib stories. It's what we are seeing from your ilk like Adeboye,Lords Chosen etc.

I'm putting it to you that the the Flying Spaghetti Monster created all things,including your god. It's written in the scriptures.

I asked you a question. Do you believe in invisible unicorns

FxMasterz:
The truth is that, knowing that there's a Cause is a good starting point especially if the intelligent order of things around you is not sufficient enough to convince you. Then, there's the Cause option to explore.

God is not hiding away. He is there in nature, in your conscience and in your intuition. Every human naturally have a leaning towards an unseen supernatural Being. Atheists work hard to shut down this intuition in themselves. Every human has that sense of God in his heart.

Now, when you genuinely seek to find and to know this God, and make all necessary efforts to find Him, He'll naturally draw you to Himself. He'll help you to differentiate between Himself and the myriads of fake gods out there. It all starts with desire. Over time, if you seek God sincerely, no matter where you are coming from, He'll draw you to Himself.

The universe is not an intelligent or perfect scenario. Neither is the human body perfect. I don't know how many times I'll tell you that. Please educate yourself
So how do you know every human have a god leaning? What's your proof?

FxMasterz:
It isn't contradictory. You just need to understand that God created the world for man and to be under the total control of man without any external inference. God created man as a totalitarian over the world. Whatever man permits for this world is man's choice for the world, and God does not interfere except when His intervention is deliberately sought.

You actually need to start relating with God to understand that man allowed the evils he's seeding in his world, and are majorly orchestrated by man himself. God does not interfere in man's leadership of the world. Man can enjoy whatever he created for himself if he considers it good for himself. God does not interfere except when invited, or when He decides to intervene occasionally for special reasons.

Man is a Sovereign over the world, and that sovereignty is respected by God.

Yhwh does not condone freewill. It's a myth promoted by Christians when Yhwh clearly trample on freewill of several people in the bible like the Pharaoh, Job,Nehemiah etc. Freewill is an excuse Christians give to put their god out of scrutiny but they pray every day for their god to change the heart of their bosses, spouses, governors,presidents etc thereby disrupting the freewill of those folks listed. It's really funny. Also how is there freewill if an all knowing god already knows what we're gonna do? Does it make sense? And finally, let's just assume for the purpose of this discussion that yhwh allows freewill. Then why punish humans for exercising this freewill? It's just like a dad telling his toddler"u can eat ice cream or rice but if you eat rice,imma punish u" of course the child ice cream since rice carries a punishment.

Also how come your god doesn't intervene even when man intensively seeks his help. Example is Nigeria. This is the most prayerful Christian country in the world according to research. Think about it. Does it mean your god doesn't give a fvckkk about prayers?

FxMasterz:
Isaiah 45:7 is talking of God's place as Judge. The good are created to reward good works, and the evils are created to judge evil.deeds. A judge creates death and life. That does not make the judge a good man or a bad man. God is Judge. You can do what you like as per your sovereignty but you cannot determine the retribution that would come unto you afterwards. Every cause has an effect which could be either good or bad, and they're all the creations of God.

Stop tryna twist and conjure up a mental gymnastics. It's stated there that he created evil. So the evil deeds you're talking about was created by the dude. Also if yhwh created everything in the world,how did evil come in? Are you saying he didn't know how it came up or he was usurped?

FxMasterz:
The Bible has an answer for that but it's a broad topic which I'll just summarize.

Satan is the source of all manifest evil. He was in the world before man. In fact, man was created as an instrument of judgement for Satan. This is the reason why Satan hates man with fervent hatred.

Satan was in heaven with God, and then aspired to overthrow his Maker. He was a special being. A masterpiece of God's creative expertise. His frame made him proud and arrogant. He then schemed against God and was cast down here to earth from heaven. Then the "...the earth became without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep." God then decided to restore the earth, but He created animals before man.

God's purpose for restoring the earth was to create man from dust, and make that dust rule Satan in eternal humiliation. So, God created man and made him the Sovereign on the same earth where Satan dwelt. Satan couldn't stand the humiliation, so he schemed to snatch the Sovereignty away from man. Satan succeeds and became the god of this world. God didn't interfere because man as sovereign has the final say on whatever he does in the world. If man has decided to exchange positions with Satan, then, so be it.

Satan reigned from a position of authority over the world, and began to multiply evils as he pleased.


No, not freewill.

God knew evil will come because man would fail, but nonetheless, God's purpose for man as His medium of punishment for Satan must be fulfilled. However, God also has a rescue plan for man to restore him to his initial position of Sovereignty after giving Satan enough time to repent.

God is not punishing man for any evil. This is a misunderstanding. Instead, God is punishing Satan for his evils. Man would be exonerated if he comes into God's provision for his exoneration.

God wants to cleanse the earth, remove Satan and stop all evils. The earth would then continue eternally as was originally planned - evil free. However, man needs to be cleansed so that the evils of that old world would not be carried over into the reordered world by human carriers.

So, cleansed humans who are of no threat to the new world would pass over into the new world. Satan is absent. God has devised a new form of punishment for him - everlasting fire. In the absence of Satan and human carriers of evil, Good and righteousness continue forever in the new world.

God is not punishing man for any evil in the world, otherwise, He wouldn't make provisions for his cleansing. Men who reject the cleansing are considered a threat to the new world God is establishing, and must therefore be ridded out by quarantining them in the same place where all evils are quarantined.

If antichristian2 understands this plan of God, he'll see the reason why Islam missed it, and also understand why Satan has to deny that Jesus died. Jesus's death is for man's cleansing which is a huge threat to Satan. Satan has to deny it because that's the only way he can stop men from being cleansed.

God intentionally created the world. The world would continue as planned but Satan must be out, men must be cleansed. Then, righteousness reigns forever and ever.

You're just making this thing painful for yourself.
Who created Satan? Yhwh! Is Yhwh omniscient? Yes! So why did he create Satan,a being he knew would bring in evil into the world and corrupt his angels and humans?
When you say god has a rescue plan,do you mean flooding the world? Because an all knowing god would not flood the world if he knew sin would comeback. If he knew sin would return,why flood the world in the first place? What was the point?

DeepSight:
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Yeah.

Nonetheless we have had cause to infer the existence of certain things. Black holes for example. Simplistic analogy you may say, but the point is that we do draw from evident effects to infer what cannot itself be seen.

But we can agree that certain impossible things do not exist. Such a square circles.

Agreed 💯

FxMasterz:
You should laugh at yourself because I never made any of those claims you're making here. Can you show me where I said the universe is God? Why are you atheists like this? Can you now tell me what the universe is as an observer from outside the universe?

You literally:

FxMasterz:
You got it bro!

Infact, it is still within logical reasoning frameworks to assume that the universe itself may be God. We have only seen a little within the universe. No one has seen the whole universe let alone seeing the outside of it.

We cannot truly know what the universe is until we can observe it from the outside of the universe itself. What if this universe itself is a huge living being that has a different build from us, and the planets, and all heavenly bodies are parts of what keeps it alive?

All descriptions of the universe are based on what we see on its inside from its inside. Imagine the microbes inside your gut describing you on the basis of what they see in your stomach? Atheists just need to think harder and stop being myopic. I hope lordreed and jaephoenix in particular are reading.

If the universe is a “being,” then we would see:

- Stars/galaxies as cells?
- Black holes as… pores?
- Humans as microbes in its gut?

No one can ever tell.

Modified: Just thinking out loud. The essence is for us to know that there are possibilities beyond our natural scope.

You literally acquiesced to the universe being a "being" which we wouldn't be able to fathom. Yet you claim the god sent you his son to die for your sin.

Fact is the word god is meaningless which is why you can prevaricate like a dying man grasping for straws.

jaephoenix:
You're just making this thing painful for yourself.
Who created Satan? Yhwh! Is Yhwh omniscient? Yes! So why did he create Satan,a being he knew would bring in evil into the world and corrupt his angels and humans?
When you say god has a rescue plan,do you mean flooding the world? Because an all knowing god would not flood the world if he knew sin would comeback. If he knew sin would return,why flood the world in the first place? What was the point?

Get ready for more stories that only lead to more questions.

jaephoenix:
You're just making this thing painful for yourself.
Who created Satan? Yhwh! Is Yhwh omniscient? Yes! So why did he create Satan,a being he knew would bring in evil into the world and corrupt his angels and humans?
When you say god has a rescue plan,do you mean flooding the world? Because an all knowing god would not flood the world if he knew sin would comeback. If he knew sin would return,why flood the world in the first place? What was the point?

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These and more are fundamental issues about some religious ideas of God which can never be resolved.

Particularly the Abrahamic God.

That God who tests his follower with a command to kill his son, who destroys the life of a faithful one to win a wager with the devil, who conspires through lies and commands genocide, whose recipe to forgive his own creation from the imperfection he created them with is ritual sacrifice of his alleged son. . . That sort of being can only be despised by any sane person.

Thankfully, it is a figment of the imagination of man. Not so thankfully, that imagination is powerful enough to have caused untold misery.