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FxMasterz:
Isaiah 45:7 is talking of God's place as Judge.

God looked at everything he had made. And he saw that everything was very good. There was evening, and then there was morning. This was the sixth day. Genesis 1:31

From the above scripture it's evident that God never created anything evil purposely rather it's humans who started using the good things God created for their evil intentions.

Cain used either a stone or metal to kill Abel making these things evil as if God created them for hurting our neighbors.

Nebuchadnezzar tried to use fire to kill Shadrach, Meshak and Abednego as if it was created for that purpose.

Well the Creator who made all the gasses that formed fire intervened and for the first time in the history of mankind it was recorded that fire refused to supply heat rather it became air conditioner for the servants of the true God.

Light and Darkness was created by this same Person so when He was dealing with the Egyptians for their cruelty towards His people God made three days passed without the sun supplying light in Egypt whereas there is light in other places.

So the import of Isaiah 45:7 is that God has control over anything evil enemies of God's servants may think of because He created everything.

May you have peace!🙂

LordReed:
You literally:



You literally acquiesced to the universe being a "being" which we wouldn't be able to fathom. Yet you claim the god sent you his son to die for your sin.

Fact is the word god is meaningless which is why you can prevaricate like a dying man grasping for straws.

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He is not pantheist. He just notes the possibility of how things may be way different from what is conventionally thought.

LordReed:
You literally:



You literally acquiesced to the universe being a "being" which we wouldn't be able to fathom. Yet you claim the god sent you his son to die for your sin.

Fact is the word god is meaningless which is why you can prevaricate like a dying man grasping for straws.

I acquiesced to the universe being a bring and then concluded with "no one can tell". It's alright.

LordReed:
Get ready for more stories that only lead to more questions.

translating toooo: I cant debunk

MaxInDHouse:
God looked at everything he had made. And he saw that everything was very good. There was evening, and then there was morning. This was the sixth day. Genesis 1:31

From the above scripture it's evident that God never created anything evil purposely rather it's humans who started using the good things God created for their evil intentions.

Cain used either a stone or metal to kill Abel making these things evil as if God created them for hurting our neighbors.

Nebuchadnezzar tried to use fire to kill Shadrach, Meshak and Abednego as if it was created for that purpose.

Well the Creator who made all the gasses that formed fire intervened and for the first time in the history of mankind it was recorded that fire refused to supply heat rather it became air conditioner for the servants of the true God.

Light and Darkness was created by this same Person so when He was dealing with the Egyptians for their cruelty towards His people God made three days passed without the sun supplying light in Egypt whereas there is light in other places.

So the import of Isaiah 45:7 is that God has control over anything evil enemies of God's servants may think of because He created everything.

May you have peace!🙂

That darkness for the Egyptians was part of God's judgement on them.

jaephoenix:
You're just making this thing painful for yourself.
Who created Satan? Yhwh! Is Yhwh omniscient? Yes! So why did he create Satan,a being he knew would bring in evil into the world and corrupt his angels and humans?
When you say god has a rescue plan,do you mean flooding the world? Because an all knowing god would not flood the world if he knew sin would comeback. If he knew sin would return,why flood the world in the first place? What was the point?

Vehicle manufacturers know that cars do have accidents, yet they keep creating them.

jaephoenix:
Stop tryna twist and conjure up a mental gymnastics. It's stated there that he created evil. So the evil deeds you're talking about was created by the dude. Also if yhwh created everything in the world,how did evil come in? Are you saying he didn't know how it came up or he was usurped?

Evil for the wicked. Good for the righteous.

All actions are justly retributed because God created reward systems for both good deeds and bad deeds.

FxMasterz:
Vehicle manufacturers know that cars do have accidents, yet they keep creating them.

Do those manufactures claim that theyre all powerful?

FxMasterz:
That darkness for the Egyptians was part of God's judgement on them.

YES!
Yet we need darkness after the light of day for a time to relax, sleep and enjoy other things which means darkness is a part of the GOOD THINGS God created but when He wants to punish evildoers He will redirect this GOOD THING to work in a destructive way.

jaephoenix:
Yhwh does not condone freewill. It's a myth promoted by Christians when Yhwh clearly trample on freewill of several people in the bible like the Pharaoh, Job,Nehemiah etc. Freewill is an excuse Christians give to put their god out of scrutiny but they pray every day for their god to change the heart of their bosses, spouses, governors,presidents etc thereby disrupting the freewill of those folks listed. It's really funny. Also how is there freewill if an all knowing god already knows what we're gonna do? Does it make sense? And finally, let's just assume for the purpose of this discussion that yhwh allows freewill. Then why punish humans for exercising this freewill? It's just like a dad telling his toddler"u can eat ice cream or rice but if you eat rice,imma punish u" of course the child ice cream since rice carries a punishment.

Also how come your god doesn't intervene even when man intensively seeks his help. Example is Nigeria. This is the most prayerful Christian country in the world according to research. Think about it. Does it mean your god doesn't give a fvckkk about prayers?

If God tramples on freewill, no one will do evil. Everyone would be zombies. Even you wouldn't be able to spew all the blasphemies you do spew. God doesn't want zombies. He wants humans who can deliberately take actions and take responsibility for their actions.

jaephoenix:
The universe is not an intelligent or perfect scenario. Neither is the human body perfect. I don't know how many times I'll tell you that. Please educate yourself
So how do you know every human have a god leaning? What's your proof?

And I don't know how many times I have told you that imperfections do not negate the existence of a Creator.

Virtually everything man creates is imperfect, does that make man non existent?

DeepSight:
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He is not pantheist. He just notes the possibility of how things may be way different from what is conventionally thought.

He is confused. LoLz.

jaephoenix:
1.So to you,the Causer of all things isn't a god?
So what makes your own favorite Yhwh,both the Causer and god?
2.Oga,for the umpteenth time,you haven't brought evidence that there is something happening at this supernatural frequency.
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No, Earth's distance from the Sun isn't "perfect" because its orbit is an ellipse, not a circle, meaning the distance changes (about 3 million miles closer in January, farther in July), but this variation is small (around 3-7%) and doesn't cause major climate shifts; instead, Earth's position is considered "good enough" for life, falling within the habitable zone, though it's not necessarily the absolute optimal, as the Sun's gradual brightening will eventually push Earth out of this zone in billions of years.
Also humans can survive with air oxygen levels of 19% and up to 22%. We are adaptable creatures. So it's not a fine tuned environment for living,and it's undergoing change as we chat and argue.
Water's unique properties enables life and so does other liquids. Water in the wrong part of the body can spell death. So it's not a function of water being perfect for us, it's a function of us being perfect for water.

And for the umpteenth time,what experiences are you talking about? Tell us about it. Remember anyone can pop up and fib stories. It's what we are seeing from your ilk like Adeboye,Lords Chosen etc.

I'm putting it to you that the the Flying Spaghetti Monster created all things,including your god. It's written in the scriptures.

I asked you a question. Do you believe in invisible unicorns

Jaephoenix, go and read Isaiah 37. Then research the extra biblical accounts of the same events narrated in Isaiah 37. When you're done. Return here.

Or just ask this question of AI: "Is there any evidence outside the Bible for the events of Isaiah 37?"

I.kkow that you're deliberately rebellious. Atheism is actually rebellion. That's why, even after you have been educated to know that there's so much yet unknown of our world and the universe, you still maintain your absolute claims of "there's no God". But, you'll not be here forever, and some day, you'll see things for yourself. If God favors you this year, we'll meet, and when we do, something will surely happen on your insides.

LordReed:
He is confused. LoLz.

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As far as Abrahamic ideas are concerned, you know very well I disagree with his views.
However I align with much of what he has argued in terms of the Kalam Cosmological Argument for the existence of God - or a First Cause, if you prefer.

DeepSight:
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As far as Abrahamic ideas are concerned, you know very well I disagree with his views.
However I align with much of what he has argued in terms of the Kalam Cosmological Argument for the existence of God - or a First Cause, if you prefer.

I know. Its just his attempt to present it as an idea we should consider feels so inauthenthic.

FxMasterz:
Jaephoenix, go and read Isaiah 37. Then research the extra biblical accounts of the same events narrated in Isaiah 37. When you're done. Return here.

Or just ask this question of AI: "Is there any evidence outside the Bible for the events of Isaiah 37?"

I.kkow that you're deliberately rebellious. Atheism is actually rebellion. That's why, even after you have been educated to know that there's so much yet unknown of our world and the universe, you still maintain your absolute claims of "there's no God". But, you'll not be here forever, and some day, you'll see things for yourself. If God favors you this year, we'll meet, and when we do, something will surely happen on your insides.

Again something mentioned inside the bible verse, its not valid.

Disinfectant123:
Again something mentioned inside the bible verse, its not valid.

You must be very ignorant.

Both historians and scientists would vehemently disagree with you.

FxMasterz:
You must be very ignorant.

Both historians and scientists would vehemently disagree with you.

I could say the same with other historians and scientist

Disinfectant123:
I could say the same with other historians and scientist

Why not research as directed, and come back here.

Go research Isaiah 37, Isaiah 45 and the prophecies of Daniel - history written in advance.

Or find out how the Bible wac ahead of it's time in scientific declarations.

If you cannot research, it's alright. Just don't mention me spewing more ignorance. I won't respond.

FxMasterz:
Why not research as directed, and come back here.

Go research Isaiah 37, Isaiah 45 and the prophecies of Daniel - history written in advance.

Or find out how the Bible wac ahead of it's time in scientific declarations.

If you cannot research, it's alright. Just don't mention me spewing more ignorance. I won't respond.

So because I said that Taiwan would get invaded by China some time in the future and it happens doesit make me way ahead in my time?

Disinfectant123:
So because I said that Taiwan would get invaded by China some time in the future and it happens doesit make me way ahead in my time?

That's not detailed and precise. What I'm telling you to research is detailed and precise with striking fulfilments like a recorded video playing from the scripts of prophecy.

FxMasterz:
That's not detailed and precise. What I'm telling you to research is detailed and precise with striking fulfilments like a recorded video playing from the scripts of prophecy.

lmaoo

FxMasterz:
Vehicle manufacturers know that cars do have accidents, yet they keep creating them.

Are vehicle manufacturers omniscient? No! You keep on equating your god with mortals and then turn around to ask why atheists laugh at christians

FxMasterz:
Evil for the wicked. Good for the righteous.

All actions are justly retributed because God created reward systems for both good deeds and bad deeds.

Good. So he created both good and evil,right?

FxMasterz:
If God tramples on freewill, no one will do evil. Everyone would be zombies. Even you wouldn't be able to spew all the blasphemies you do spew. God doesn't want zombies. He wants humans who can deliberately take actions and take responsibility for their actions.

I dont know when you suddenly developed poor comprehension skills,but lemme try again.
Who trampled on Pharaoh's freewill by hardening his heart so he can kill more Egyptian babies?
Who connived with Satan and destroyed Job's family(without their knowledge or permission) even though he knew the outcome of the bet?
Who forced Nehemiah to leave his house,city and run? Even forced a poor whale to gobble up Nehemiah? Na by force to preach?
Please answer these questions sans mental gymnastics

FxMasterz:
And I don't know how many times I have told you that imperfections do not negate the existence of a Creator.

Virtually everything man creates is imperfect, does that make man non existent?

A perfect god created a perfect world. I don't understand the meaning of your second sentence. Care to elaborate

FxMasterz:
Jaephoenix, go and read Isaiah 37. Then research the extra biblical accounts of the same events narrated in Isaiah 37. When you're done. Return here.

Or just ask this question of AI: "Is there any evidence outside the Bible for the events of Isaiah 37?"

I.kkow that you're deliberately rebellious. Atheism is actually rebellion. That's why, even after you have been educated to know that there's so much yet unknown of our world and the universe, you still maintain your absolute claims of "there's no God". But, you'll not be here forever, and some day, you'll see things for yourself. If God favors you this year, we'll meet, and when we do, something will surely happen on your insides.

New York was mentioned in Spiderman. Going by your analogy,Spiderman is real. You see why I talk say u suppose go school.
I asked you a question which you dodged (your normal way)
DO YOU BELIEVE UNICORNS EXIST

jaephoenix:
New York was mentioned in Spiderman. Going by your analogy,Spiderman is real. You see why I talk say u suppose go school.
I asked you a question which you dodged (your normal way)
DO YOU BELIEVE UNICORNS EXIST

Offpoint.

The reason you know spider man is not real is because you know absolutely what's real in New York. The same logic does not apply to the universe where you know absolutely nothing about what exists out there.

jaephoenix:
I dont know when you suddenly developed poor comprehension skills,but lemme try again.
Who trampled on Pharaoh's freewill by hardening his heart so he can kill more Egyptian babies?
Who connived with Satan and destroyed Job's family(without their knowledge or permission) even though he knew the outcome of the bet?
Who forced Nehemiah to leave his house,city and run? Even forced a poor whale to gobble up Nehemiah? Na by force to preach?
Please answer these questions sans mental gymnastics

Before Pharaohs heart was hardened, did he have any regard for God? If God later hardens his heart so as to show the world His might through him, what'd wrong with God using one insubordinate fellow to teach millions of other insubordinate individuals a lesson? His heart was hardened only a few days before he was punished, what did he do with his unhardened heart before those days? He spent it reviling the God of Israel. So, God decided to make a show of him.

What you're describing about Job and Jonah are not related to freewill. Job was tested, passed the tests and got rewarded. Jonah had a covenant with God to obey God as a prophet. He broke the covenant and God held him responsible for his actions.

Your 10 year child has a son relationship with you. If you send him an errand and he refuses to go, telling you "na by force?", what would you do?

jaephoenix:
Are vehicle manufacturers omniscient? No! You keep on equating your god with mortals and then turn around to ask why atheists laugh at christians

Vehicle manufacturers are not omniscient but they're knowledgeable enough to know that vehicles have killed many people, yet they keep producing them.

I'm not equating God with mortals, I'm coming down to your level using what you can relate with before I can even tell you deep things.

jaephoenix:
Good. So he created both good and evil,right?

If there's no evil, how can you enjoy good? You'll be a zombie or robot that dies not know how to enjoy. You won't even have any sense of enjoyment.

FxMasterz:
If there's no evil, how can you enjoy good? You'll be a zombie or robot that dies not know how to enjoy. You won't even have any sense of enjoyment.

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Surely this contradicts everything Christians argue about the goodness of God.