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bolabizzle:
Am sure you thought you sounded smart when you typed this filth above.

Stay there and wait for me to spoon feed you.

It makes yiu and Christians in general look bad when you keep attacking people personally instead of addressing their points.

QuinQ:
It makes yiu and Christians in general look bad when you keep attacking people personally instead of addressing their points.

If that guy really wanted to learn he wont be here asking silly questions

sonmvayina:
Really a nobody? so all the stories written about him in the gospels are all forgeries.


thank you for proving my point.

A nobody in the sense that he had few followers, no meeting place, no connections, no fortune, no high parentage, and ultimately suffered a most humiliating death at which even his closest friends denied even knowing him. Compound that with the fact there were other messianic, endtimes figures at the time.
What confuses you is what Jesus has become

bolabizzle:
If that guy really wanted to learn he wont be here asking silly questions

You teach him anyway. That's your job. Allow the Holy Spirit do the rest. Maybe as he lies down at night thinking it over...
It is HS that always does the actual conversion, never humans

QuinQ:
You teach him anyway.

I should teach a troll?

Sorry, I have better things to do with my time.

bolabizzle:
I should teach a troll?

Sorry, I have better things to do with my time.

So you let it be, instead of making yourself look bad calling him ignorant up and down. Makes it look like you have nothing to counter him with

QuinQ:
So you let it be,

Keep quiet !

Before I discipline you the way I disciplined that troll asking for historical proof of jesus.

bolabizzle:
Keep quiet !

Before I discipline you the way I disciplined that troll asking for historical proof of jesus.

Stop disgracing Christianity is all I'm saying. Or don't you care at all how Christians are perceived?

QuinQ:
Stop disgracing Christianity is all I'm saying.

You are the one disgracing christianity.

You think jesus christ had the time to answer every silly question the Pharisee asked him?

bolabizzle:
You are the one disgracing christianity.
You think jesus christ had the time to answer every silly question the Pharisee asked him?

If Jesus doesn't answer every question is that a reason to insult and abuse people?🙂

bolabizzle:
You are the one disgracing christianity.

You think jesus christ had the time to answer every silly question the Pharisee asked him?

It is not a silly question when someone wonders why there are no contemporary writings about Jesus. It is a question the most learned have debated a long time

Cus the nigga was just an ordinary person who wasn't that important.

kingxsamz:
Cus the nigga was just an ordinary person who wasn't that important.

But over time who He really was became revealed - exactly as He said it would.
An ordinary carpenter's son who said He was God and that his words would never pass away! Then went ahead to die a very "shameful" death with His closest friends denying they knew Him. Yet, against all odds, He is being worshipped today as God, and His words have never passed away - exactly as He said. If that doesn't convince you, nothing else would.
Different if He were some wealthy, influential person or a high priest or something.

QuinQ:
But over time who He really was became revealed - exactly as He said it would.
An ordinary carpenter's son who said He was God and that his words would never pass away! Then went ahead to die a very "shameful" death with His closest friends denying they knew Him. Yet, against all odds, He is being worshipped today as God, and His words have never passed away - exactly as He said. If that doesn't convince you, nothing else would.
Different if He were some wealthy, influential person or a high priest or something.

Nah. Delusional people put some relevance on him and attributed all sorts of powers to him and then forced others to accept him.
Like I said, just an ordinary and unimportant individual.

Because he is God's only begotten Son!🙂

kingxsamz:
Nah. Delusional people put some relevance on him and attributed all sorts of powers to him and then forced others to accept him.
Like I said, just an ordinary and unimportant individual.

WHY? Then be willing to be tortured and die for an ordinary person they never witnessed any extraordinary thing from!

MaxInDHouse:
Because he is God's only begotten Son!🙂

He was not written about because he is God's only begotten Son?
Try to at least make a little bit of sense. Just try

QuinQ:
He was not written about because he is God's only begotten Son?

YES!

Please read the Bible verse below and sincerely answer the question that follows:

The foolish one says in his heart: “There is no Jehovah.” Their actions are corrupt, and their dealings are detestable; No one is doing good. But Jehovah looks down from heaven on the sons of men To see whether anyone has insight, whether anyone is seeking Jehovah. They have all turned aside; They are all alike corrupt. No one is doing good, Not even one. Psalms 14:1-3

From the Bible verses how many people do you expect to appreciate the TRUTH from God? John 14:6

QuinQ:
WHY? Then be willing to be tortured and die for an ordinary person they never witnessed any extraordinary thing from!

Yes. Religious people can be that s+upld.

QuinQ:
A nobody in the sense that he had few followers, no meeting place, no connections, no fortune, no high parentage, and ultimately suffered a most humiliating death at which even his closest friends denied even knowing him. Compound that with the fact there were other messianic, endtimes figures at the time.
What confuses you is what Jesus has become

You got this innformation from the bible, i want to see what somebody who actually met him said about him. You cant tell me, among those who met him no one knows how to write.

None of the gospels are actually eye witness accounts.

Then this whole matter will end.

When the true God looked down from heaven this is what the scriptures said:


(God) looks down from heaven on the sons of men To see whether anyone has insight, whether anyone is seeking Jehovah. They have all turned aside; They are all alike corrupt. No one is doing good, Not even one.

Which means if God decides to destroy evildoers not a single person qualified to be alive among all those who have lived on this planet. Jesus said John the baptist is greater than all previous servants of God who lived before him {Matthew 11:11} but he concluded saying the least person who qualifies for God's kingdom is greater than John the baptist.

Now Jesus began training the few Jews who accepted him as their teacher only for them to run away in times of trouble.

So how can any right thinking individual expect people who never loved good things write anything about such a man so humane and perfect in nature?

Surely it's only his disciples who accepted him and were ready to lay down their lives for whatever evildoers could do to them penned down what they saw and heard about Jesus of Nazareth! Act 4:20

Therefore let it be known that it's due to the fact that Jesus is God's only begotten Son that's why ordinary humans who are selfish in all their ways can't think of risking their lives to write about Jesus when they knew the consequences back then!🙂

QuinQ:
1) Can you prove that Jesus did not exist?

No and I don’t need to. Accepting that some preacher guy lived in the Levant back in the day isn’t a big deal.

2) Do you agree that there were many Jesus-like characters around that period, and many,many crucifixions?

Yes and there are records of there being a number of them.

3)Why would Christians adopt the cross, the utmost symbol of shameful death at the time, as their symbol?

What has that got to do with anything? The symbol we all associate with Germany Nazis wasn't a symbol of hate before the Nazis appropriated it so what has cross symbolism got to do with truth?

4) Do you agree that it is a historical fact that Christians were indeed extremely persecuted by Rome in a bid to stamp them out.

Yes they were persecuted and no it was not in a bid to stamp them out. The Romans like most ancient empires were quite Metropolitan when it came to gods and religion. The reason Christians were persecuted was because they were the ones who sort to do away with other people's gods and religion.

5) Do you agree that instead of stamping out Chistianity, Christianity stamped out their Roman gods?

Sure! Which proves my previous statement.

6) Do you agree that no other religion in the history of the world, founded by a mythical figure that never existed, has even come close to doing that.

Because until Christianity no other religion sort world domination. Christians inspired the rise of Islam which also seeks world domination so congratulations on that.

7) Are you saying that People like Paul also never existed and his searingly personal and inspired letters were forged?

Again another mundane claim that can easily be accepted with no big deal. I can accept that Paul existed. However, scholars have pointed out that some of the letters attributed to Paul may not have been written by him.

8} If you admit Paul existed, why would he be so passionate about a person he had no direct spiritual encounter with?

One doesn't need to have a "spiritual encounter" to become devoted to a cause. Do football fans have "spiritual encounters"?

9) It is easy to say Jesus never existed until you start reading the details and minutae of the NT, then you realize that a) People who produced such profound words should aso have other works like that yet none exists. b) There is no reason for anybody to be making up some of those stuffs some of which did not put Jesus and Christianity in good light. c) If people like Paul never existed who traveled all those detailed travels and wrote all those passionate letters?

Some details in the NT are so muddled most Christians are not cued up to them because it will call into question the veracity of the text.

There were profound writings from way before Christianity that contained profound words especially the Greek philosophies which were popular at the time.

There is plenty of reason to embellish your religious tales to add gravitas and make it more appealing especially when you are a newcomer. Look at Islam, they took example from Christians and even went harder.

People like Paul and his cohort wrote what they thought would make their religion "sell" and stand out, that is not hard to see.

10) Jesus durring His time was a "nobody" in context of Roman empire. Asking why no contemporary historian wrote about him is like asking why no contemporary historian of British empire wrote about some obscure itinerant preacher in Akure with few followers and no meeting place, who was allegedly walking on water and raising the dead!

Zombies rising from the dead would have been a big deal Jesus or no Jesus. Some of the events written in the gospels are too fantastic to not have been the talk of the entire empire.

QuinQ:
Who is "Christianity" that created Paul when there was no "Christians" at time of Paul's writings?

The epistle attributed to Paul are all works by a first century sage by name Apolinus of Tyna. it was edited by John Chysostom and passed off as the epistles of Paul. Just as Jesus was created on the order of Constantine, paul too was created too.....nothing divine about it.

bolabizzle:
Take that to mean I dont spoon feed people who love swimming in their pool of ignorance.

Your welcome.

talk is real cheap......it's now time to walk the walk, you are nowhere to be found. I know your type...


run along now.

sonmvayina:
There is no evidence that Jesus actually lived, so what would a real historian write about him?

It would be like writing a “history” of King Arthur or Robin Hood, about whom nothing is known but their names and some far-fetched legends.

Was the magical sword in the stone historical, or the bible’s “virgin birth”?

A serious historian would know there is no real evidence that Jesus existed.

Just hearsay.

All that we have is a “big fish” story in which a minnow became a whale.

How did that happen?

It happened because the gospels are fairytale book with:

A virgin birth
walking on water
A ludicrous ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE
and so on…
As with other books of ancient mythology, we can’t assume actual events are being depicted.

Thus, we have to seek confirmation outside the bible.

But no one who lived at the time Jesus allegedly lived wrote a single word about him.

The earliest extra-biblical mention we have of Jesus is an implausible blurb in the histories of Josephus, written long after the fact, if there are any facts.

Furthermore, 92.4% of scholars who expressed opinions deemed the blurb a christian forgery, either largely or entirely.

The next mention was by the Roman historian Tacitus, a century after the fact, and he got Pilate’s job title wrong, strongly suggesting that he was quoting what he had heard Roman christians say.

And hearsay is not evidence.

Thus there is no actual evidence that Jesus existed, or any of his apostles.

An honest historian would conclude that he couldn’t write a history of Jesus, only conjecture.

Take the Jew plank out of your own eye before telling others about their eyesight.

QuinQ:
And you were asked a question: you know those times were rife with messianic figures and end-time preachers. Why weren't any of them mentioned?

They where all killed by Rome. The fact they all died showed none was the Messiah.

But Chinua Achebe was not willing to be tortured and killed for Okonkwo

is that the criteria? You want me to give you people and God's who where tortured...take promiteous for example, who was tortured by Zeus for gifting fire to man. at least he did something good....what did Jesus really do in the story?

So you accept thst a Jesus existed, and Jesus-like figures existed, the only Jesus that you believe never existed is the Christian Jesus!

Jesus is a common name in that era...but the jesus described in the gospels is fictional.

And they picked a most shameful symbol, the cross, as their sign!

it's a death cult. That was the mode of execution by the Romans. Pontius pilate crucified about 500 in one day, that was why he was recalled by Rome...

And they all disappeared todate except the smallest, Christianity, and you think it's just coincidence!

Christianity was the national religion of the Roman empire. They propagated it. if they don't believe they behead you....it was created for social engineering.

But Constantine's own mother and top generals were already Christians at the time, and he himself said he won his biggest triumph through power of Christ!

That story was told by Eusebius, but when history was really checked, it was found that the story was made up...

How many people who claimed they knew Krisna died for Krisna? Besides, Krishna actually lived

why would anybody die for anybody or God. death was a consequence of man's disobedience. I mean who does it benefit, except it's a death cult, like the cult of Inanna.

KnownUnknown:
Take the Jew plank out of your own eye before telling others about their eyesight.

I actually understand it, and they make perfect sense

MaxInDHouse:
YES!

Please read the Bible verse below and sincerely answer the question that follows:

The foolish one says in his heart: “There is no Jehovah.” Their actions are corrupt, and their dealings are detestable; No one is doing good. But Jehovah looks down from heaven on the sons of men To see whether anyone has insight, whether anyone is seeking Jehovah. They have all turned aside; They are all alike corrupt. No one is doing good, Not even one. Psalms 14:1-3

From the Bible verses how many people do you expect to appreciate the TRUTH from God? John 14:6

What has any of this to do with contemporary historians writing about someone? Are you saying they were jealous and intentionally did not write about him?😅

kingxsamz:
Yes. Religious people can be that s+upld.

Give example of another such religion.

kingxsamz:
Cus the nigga was just an ordinary person who wasn't that important.

so why make up stories around him? like virgin birth and all that stuff?

sonmvayina:
The epistle attributed to Paul are all works by a first century sage by name Apolinus of Tyna. it was edited by John Chysostom and passed off as the epistles of Paul. Just as Jesus was created on the order of Constantine, paul too was created too.....nothing divine about it.

So WHY was Apolinus creating Paul and his elaborate missionary travels and letters to various churches? Have you ever read NT?
You've already been told about Constantine.
Do you read history at all?