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MaxInDHouse:
Because he is God's only begotten Son!🙂

do you have any evidence outside of the Bible for this wonderful claim?

LordReed:
No and I don’t need to. Accepting that some preacher guy lived in the Levant back in the day isn’t a big deal.



Yes and there are records of there being a number of them.




What has that got to do with anything? The symbol we all associate with Germany Nazis wasn't a symbol of hate before the Nazis appropriated it so what has cross symbolism got to do with truth?



Yes they were persecuted and no it was not in a bid to stamp them out. The Romans like most ancient empires were quite Metropolitan when it came to gods and religion. The reason Christians were persecuted was because they were the ones who sort to do away with other people's gods and religion.



Sure! Which proves my previous statement.



Because until Christianity no other religion sort world domination. Christians inspired the rise of Islam which also seeks world domination so congratulations on that.



Again another mundane claim that can easily be accepted with no big deal. I can accept that Paul existed. However, scholars have pointed out that some of the letters attributed to Paul may not have been written by him.



One doesn't need to have a "spiritual encounter" to become devoted to a cause. Do football fans have "spiritual encounters"?



Some details in the NT are so muddled most Christians are not cued up to them because it will call into question the veracity of the text.

There were profound writings from way before Christianity that contained profound words especially the Greek philosophies which were popular at the time.

There is plenty of reason to embellish your religious tales to add gravitas and make it more appealing especially when you are a newcomer. Look at Islam, they took example from Christians and even went harder.

People like Paul and his cohort wrote what they thought would make their religion "sell" and stand out, that is not hard to see.



Zombies rising from the dead would have been a big deal Jesus or no Jesus. Some of the events written in the gospels are too fantastic to not have been the talk of the entire empire.

So you do accept that Jesus did indeed exist. Your only problem is with things like zombie apocalypse?
Again, why would they adopt the cross symbol for no reason while it was a symbol of shameful death?

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QuinQ:
So WHY was Apolinus creating Paul and his elaborate missionary travels and letters to various churches? Have you ever read NT?
You've already been told about Constantine.
Do you read history at all?

No, you don't get me.
Apoliniue existed, he was a sage and wrote a lot. his works were found by the church and edited by an early church father (John chysostom) and passed off as the work of Paul,

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QuinQ:
What has any of this to do with contemporary historians writing about someone? Are you saying they were jealous and intentionally did not write about him?😅

You talked about SENSE in that comment so i expect you to apply the same thing now!

God said no one is doing good which means people only does what will bring them personal gain unlike what Jesus told his disciples:

“If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake day after day and keep following me" Luke 9:23

This means they shouldn't expect a good life at present but hoping for the future even though they will be killed in the process of spreading the good news about Jesus and his kingdom. Matthew 10:28

So how do you expect common men who are seeking personal interest to put their life on the line just for something they can't have in this system of things?

Of course that's the reason why only his faithful disciples who were ready to die for the course took it upon themselves to write about him.

Remember the Jewish religious leaders were ready to kill anyone who is talking about Jesus and this were the same people who will approve any writing at that time regarding what happened in their time. That is why the Christians did not write Jesus' stories in Hebrew but Greek so that the Jews won't have direct influence on their writings!🙂

sonmvayina:
do you have any evidence outside of the Bible for this wonderful claim?

YES!

Regarding evidence that Jesus once lived on this planet he said:

"But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

Have you heard of Jehovah's Witnesses?

That is the undeniable evidence that Jesus once walked this planet not what is written in books.

There has never been and there will never be any ruler whose subjects are unitedly and actively doing what he commanded them throughout the globe like Jesus' true disciples! Psalms 110:3

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QuinQ:
So you do accept that Jesus did indeed exist. Your only problem is with things like zombie apocalypse?
Again, why would they adopt the cross symbol for no reason while it was a symbol of shameful death?

I wonder why? given that it is a torture and death symbol.

maybe they are giving us a clue that they arise from a death cult.
human sacrifice belongs to the realm of Lucifer....God hates it.

MaxInDHouse:
YES!

Regarding evidence that Jesus once lived on this planet he said:

"But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

Have you heard of Jehovah's Witnesses?

That is the undeniable evidence that Jesus once walked this planet not what is written in books.

There has never been and there will never be any ruler whose subjects are unitedly and actively doing what he commanded them throughout the globe like Jesus' true disciples!

hahahhahahahaha,

and nobody saw him? very laughable..

are you saying that the son of God made an appearance and nobody noticed it..

like "Oh there goes Jesus, the son of God, raising the dead and feeding the hungry, let's not write about it...hooorhum.
joke of the century, and all God wants us to do is believe it by faith.....
I wan laugh belle tear for here so ....

sonmvayina:
They where all killed by Rome. The fact they all died showed none was the Messiah.

One is alive and active today and being worshipped as God and His words never forgotten - exactly as He foretold

is that the criteria? You want me to give you people and God's who where tortured...take promiteous for example, who was tortured by Zeus for gifting fire to man. at least he did something good....what did Jesus really do in the story?

You were told to give examples of people willing to be tortured and die for a mythical character they created

Jesus is a common name in that era...but the jesus described in the gospels is fictional.

How do you know? All other Jesus's and crucifixions were real except Christian Jesus!

it's a death cult. That was the mode of execution by the Romans. Pontius pilate crucified about 500 in one day, that was why he was recalled by Rome...

Death cult, meaning what? Why did they adopt the cross?

Christianity was the national religion of the Roman empire. They propagated it. if they don't believe they behead you....it was created for social engineering.

So they never persecuted Christians?

That story was told by Eusebius, but when history was really checked, it was found that the story was made up...

Eusebius was born long after the texts were written. See below

why would anybody die for anybody or God. death was a consequence of man's disobedience. I mean who does it benefit, except it's a death cult, like the cult of Inanna.

People don't get willing to be tortured and die for a character they made up. As you were told, Achebe would not die for his fictional Okonkwo

sonmvayina:
hahahhahahahaha,
and nobody saw him? very laughable..
are you saying that the son of God made an appearance and nobody noticed it..
like "Oh there goes Jesus, the son of God, raising the dead and feeding the hungry, let's not write about it...hooorhum.
joke of the century, and all God wants us to do is believe it by faith.....
I wan laugh belle tear for here so ....

Now it's clear that you neither believe in the Tanack nor any Scriptures!🙂

This is what the Bible God said:


"Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:10

Please according to this verse did God say His worshipers will see Him or it's their activities as they are unitedly doing His will that will serve as EVIDENCE that He is WORKING among them?🙂

QuinQ:
One is alive and active today and being worshipped as God and His words never forgotten - exactly as He foretold

lol, active where? The role of the Messiah God promised was to usher an era of world peace and end all oppression. Isaiah said "Men will hammer their sword into ploughshares....and learn of war NO MORE. it has not happened. so when did this Messiah come and the world is still at war.....Don't be fooled my brother.

You were told to give examples of people willing to be tortured and die for a mythical character they created/quote]
you are very funny oh, Are those not part of the stories Christian tell to deceive people. None of those things happened. if at all, it was Christians that was doing the persecution and killing people for not believing. Any story about Christians dying for Jesus are all 100% lies and forgery.


[quote]How do you know? All other Jesus's and crucifixions were real except Christian Jesus!

Because the stories told about Jesus in the gospel does not check out.
1. The virgin birth is a No no
2. The idea of a logos is a Greek philosophy
3. The zombie apocalypse is rad
I can go on and on....the story point to the fact that it is actually a fictional character. That's why he don't feature in a real history text book.

Death cult, meaning what? Why did they adopt the cross?

The cross is a symbol of torture and death. probably because it is a death cult/religion.

so they never persecuted Christians?

Those stories was told by Christian themselves....I will take it with a pinch of salt.

Eusebius was born long after the texts were written. See below

I don't think so. I think he was the one who wrote the book of Mark and his colleagues used it as a template to write the rest, The only surviving text we have are from post Nicaea.

People don't get willing to be tortured and die for a character they made up. As you were told, Achebe would not die for his fictional Okonkwo

But, Romeo actually died for Juliet. does it mean they are real??

sonmvayina:
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No, you don't get me.
Apoliniue existed, he was a sage and wrote a lot. his works were found by the church and edited by an early church father (John chysostom) and passed off as the work of Paul,

So WHY was one Apoliniue writing about a mythical Paul doing missionary journeys and writing inspired letters to various churches? Again, have you ever read the NT?

MaxInDHouse:
You talked about SENSE in that comment so i expect you to apply the same thing now!

God said no one is doing good which means people only does what will bring them personal gain unlike what Jesus told his disciples:

“If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake day after day and keep following me" Luke 9:23

This means they shouldn't expect a good life at present but hoping for the future even though they will be killed in the process of spreading the good news about Jesus and his kingdom. Matthew 10:28

So how do you expect common men who are seeking personal interest to put their life on the line just for something they can't have in this system of things?

Of course that's the reason why only his faithful disciples who were ready to die for the course took it upon themselves to write about him.

Remember the Jewish religious leaders were ready to kill anyone who is talking about Jesus and this were the same people who will approve any writing at that time regarding what happened in their time. That is why the Christians did not write Jesus' stories in Hebrew but Greek so that the Jews won't have direct influence on their writings!🙂

At least you are now attempting to make sense.
But no one wrote about him, not just Christians, even negatively with insults. Why, for example, didn't Jewish religious leaders write that no one should listen to "one useless person faking miracles and talking rubbish"?

MaxInDHouse:
Now it's clear that you neither believe in the Tanack nor any Scriptures!🙂

This is what the Bible God said:


"Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:10

Please according to this verse did God say His worshipers will see Him or it's their activities as they are unitedly doing His will that will serve as EVIDENCE that He is WORKING among them?🙂

First and foremost, the servant there is ISRAEL, Are you following God's laws as he gave them on Mount Sinai.....NO, so it's has nothing to do with what we are discussing...

sonmvayina:
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I wonder why? given that it is a torture and death symbol.

maybe they are giving us a clue that they arise from a death cult.
human sacrifice belongs to the realm of Lucifer....God hates it.

It never remotely occurs to you that they were indeed following a crucified person and the cross is the symbol of that crucifixion??
Again, what us meaning of "death cult"?

QuinQ:
At least you are now attempting to make sense.

Your grievances against me shouldn't be this obvious to everyone at least i never insulted anyone like your other friend. We true Christians keeps stubborn unbelievers in suspense. Sonmvayina will do everything to get a response from me because he knew how powerful my comments are.
So try to be respectful in your comments next time no faithful one is here to insult others for their comments.

QuinQ:
But no one wrote about him, not just Christians, even negatively with insults. Why, for example, didn't Jewish religious leaders write that no one should listen to "one useless person faking miracles and talking rubbish"?

There were two people before Jesus who tried to make themselves relevant in the first century {Act 5:36-37} Jesus himself spoke of those who have come claiming they are the Messiah! John 10:8

QuinQ:
It never remotely occurs to you that they were indeed following a crucified person and the cross is the symbol of that crucifixion??
Again, what us meaning of "death cult"?

you no go university? you no know wetin be cult?
A death cult are group of people that carry out human sacrifices, maybe in order to end their activities, they created a story about God sending his son to die as the final human sacrifice.......and then built a religion round it and forced people to believe it. if they don't, they kill them.....so, people fearing their life, accepted just like you...

sonmvayina:
lol, active where? The role of the Messiah God promised was to usher an era of world peace and end all oppression. Isaiah said "Men will hammer their sword into ploughshares....and learn of war NO MORE. it has not happened. so when did this Messiah come and the world is still at war.....Don't be fooled my brother.

Active in people's lives and demons flee at mere mention of His name, and countess miracles attributed to him. The era is still comming and commingbof Jesus was prelude to it[/quote]

MaxInDHouse:
Your grievances against me shouldn't be this obvious to everyone at least i never insulted anyone like your other friend. We true Christians keeps stubborn unbelievers in suspense. Sonmvayina will do everything to get a response from me because he knew how powerful my comments are.
So try to be respectful in your comments next time no faithful one is here to insult others for their comments.


There were two people before Jesus who tried to make themselves relevant in the first century {Act 5:36-37} Jesus himself spoke of those who have come claiming they are the Messiah! John 10:8

you keep quoting the new testament.

I want a collaborative evidence of the claims contained in it....
you seems not to understand the purpose of this thread.

sonmvayina:
First and foremost, the servant there is ISRAEL, Are you following God's laws as he gave them on Mount Sinai.....NO, so it's has nothing to do with what we are discussing...

So in a nutshell God's people are WITNESSES of Him due to their united obedience to His laws shey?

Why not insist on seeing Him before believing instead of humbly accepting God's presence in the midst of His obedient worshipers?

Ọmọ the evidence Jesus gave whoever wants to know him is the activities of his disciples globally. Act 1:18

Whatever was written about the founder of Mercedes Benz is not equal to the cars you are seeing all around the world!

sonmvayina:
you no go university? you no know wetin be cult?
A death cult are group of people that carry out human sacrifices, maybe in order to end their activities, they created a story about God sending his son to die as the final human sacrifice.......and then built a religion round it and forced people to believe it. if they don't, they kill them.....so, people fearing their life, accepted just like you...

Amazing that a thinking human being actually believes this is the reason Christians use cross!

sonmvayina:
you keep quoting the new testament.
I want a collaborative evidence of the claims contained in it....
you seems not to understand the purpose of this thread.

Guy this post is not meant for you o!🤣

QuinQ:
Active in people's lives and demons flee at mere mention of His name, and countess miracles attributed to him. The era is still comming and commingbof Jesus was prelude to it

hahahahha,
let me make this easy for you,
show me where it is written in the Tanakh (old testament) That God had a son that he was sending to earth to die for the sins of men.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy this post is not meant for you o!🤣

ok...

QuinQ:
Amazing that a thinking human being actually believes this is the reason Christians use cross!

it's a torture and death symbol.....it is not a love symbol

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell God's people are WITNESSES of Him due to their united obedience to His laws shey?

Why not insist on seeing Him before believing instead of humbly accepting God's presence in the midst of His obedient worshipers?

Ọmọ the evidence Jesus gave whoever wants to know him is the activities of his disciples globally. Act 18

Whatever was written about the founder of Mercedes Benz is not equal to the cars you are seeing all around the world!

Guy, God is within everybody oh

God is the universal consciousness....Not a Jewish man up in the sky.
you really don't understand anything.

sonmvayina:
ok...

Have you forgotten it's MaxInDHouse?

I know you always reject the Greek Scriptures (Nee Testament) so i can't quote what you despise as evidence nah instead i will continue to hammer you with the Hebrew/Aramaic Scriptures (Old Testament) to make you see why we JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES believe in Jesus of Nazareth!

sonmvayina:
Because the stories told about Jesus in the gospel does not check out.
1. The virgin birth is a No no
2. The idea of a logos is a Greek philosophy
3. The zombie apocalypse is rad
I can go on and on....the story point to the fact that it is actually a fictional character. That's why he don't feature in a real history text book.The cross is a symbol of torture and death. probably because it is a death cult/religion.Those stories was told by Christian themselves....I will take it with a pinch of salt.I don't think so. I think he was the one who wrote the book of Mark and his colleagues used it as a template to write the rest, The only surviving text we have are from post Nicaea.But, Romeo actually died for Juliet. does it mean they are real??

See below

sonmvayina:
Guy, God is within everybody oh
God is the universal consciousness....Not a Jewish man up in the sky.
you really don't understand anything.

So everyone you see around you whether they are obedient or disobedient are WITNESSES of God shey?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Your grievances against me shouldn't be this obvious to everyone at least i never insulted anyone like your other friend. We true Christians keeps stubborn unbelievers in suspense. Sonmvayina will do everything to get a response from me because he knew how powerful my comments are.
So try to be respectful in your comments next time no faithful one is here to insult others for their comments.


There were two people before Jesus who tried to make themselves relevant in the first century {Act 5:36-37} Jesus himself spoke of those who have come claiming they are the Messiah! John 10:8

His point is that no contemporary historian wrote about Jesus, even denouncing him or warning people not to follow his "false doctrine"

MaxInDHouse:
Have you forgotten it's MaxInDHouse?

I know you always reject the Greek Scriptures (Nee Testament) so i can't quote what you despise as evidence nah instead i will continue to hammer you with the Hebrew/Aramaic Scriptures (Old Testament) to make you see why we JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES believe in Jesus of Nazareth!

ok, please can you quote from the Tanakh where it says God has a son, he was sending as a ransom for humans.....
I will become a JW today.....if you can and we will end this discussion. but if you can't, are you willing to consider the fact you have been fooled and lied to..?

MaxInDHouse:
So everyone you see around you whether they are obedient or disobedient are WITNESSES of God shey?🙂

Only those that follow the Torah.....

that is what the passages is saying.

but God is within everyone, but the witness are those keeping the Torah.