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musicwriter:
I was talking to you, so stop passing the onus to prove the existence of your Jesus to someone else. The cross had been in use by other belief systems before anybody heard of Jesus.

And I'm talking to you (see above). When else in history were there so much crucifixions as symbolized by the cross?

musicwriter:
Indeed, that's all you know!!

But there are more that you don't know.

The cross had been used by other belief systems. It also represented salvation and eternal life before Christianity.

Was Constantine also copying Horus? See below

QuinQ:
And I'm talking to you (see above). When else in history were there so much crucifixions as symbolized by the cross?

The image of the Greek son of God Dyionasis should tell you that crucification had been before your Jesus. Wasn't Dyionasis crucified before Jesus? Didn't the ancient Egyptian cross (ankh) represent salvation and eternal life?

If you truly love your Jesus, why not go read history to find out where Christianity got it from?

musicwriter:
The image of the Greek son of God Dyionasis should tell you that crucification had been before your Jesus. Wasn't Dyionasis crucified before Jesus? Didn't the ancient Egyptian cross (ankh) represent salvation and eternal life?

If you truly love your Jesus, why not go read history to find out where Christianity got it from?

You were asked if Constantine also got it from Dyionasis? Was that who his cross dream was about?

sonmvayina:
ok
1. Show me where God says he has a son.
2. show me where God said he was sending his son as a ransom...

I never expected you to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses because there is one quality that's found in each person who becomes one of us and from the experience i have had with you that quality is far from you.
So my response to you is for prospective JWs who are searching for the only true Christian organization not just every Dick and Harry because faith on its own is not a possession of all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2🙂

The prophecies about the Messiah started right in the garden of Eden after Adam's rebellion.

@ Genesis 3:15 God told Satan that a child will be born who will destroy all the works of Satan! 1John 3:8

@ Genesis 49:10 Jacob prophesied that rulership will not depart from Judah until Shiloh comes and to him the obedience of all the people will belong! Philippians 2:10

@ Deuteronomy 18:18 God promised to raise a prophet/god like Moses {Exodus 7:1} among the Israelites {Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1} and whoever disobey him will be cut off from among the living! John 3:16

@ Isaiah 14:12 it was revealed that a virgin will become pregnant and give birth to a baby boy whose name will be called Immanuel which means "with us if God" Jesus was born of a virgin and he served as God performing great miracles even greater than what Moses who was first called God did in his lifetime. Exodus 7:1

@ Daniel 9:26 It was revealed that the Christ (Messiah) will be killed with no property left for himself this happened to Jesus of Nazareth as the last thing he had on him was taken away! John 19:23-24

@ Daniel 12:1-3 it was revealed that Michael who is standing for the salvation of God's people will come and do so many things which Jesus did in his three years of ministry.

@ Joel 2:28-30 God promised to put His spirit on many believers and lots of wonderful things will happen this was fulfilled few days after Jesus was raised from the dead showing that what God promised has been granted! Act 2:16-18

@ Isaiah 2:2-4 & Micah 4:1-3 God promised to unite faithful people throughout the world and make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers through the teachings of the Bible. Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling this today.

So if you don't believe that Jesus exists that's your own cup of coffee God has given enough evidence (witnesses) around you and that is what we need to see not seeing a spirit before believing that our God is working among us! Isaiah 43:10🙂

QuinQ:
Was Constantine also copying Horus? See below

Emperor Constantine never saw any vision!! The story of Constantine's alleged vision was told by (I think Eusebuis) a propagandist who made up much of the falsehoods found in the history of Christianity today.

But even if Constantine saw such vision, why should it mean anything to a rational, intelligent person?

musicwriter:
Emperor Constantine never saw any vision!! The story of Constantine's alleged vision was told many years after the death of Constantine by (I think Eusebuis) a propagandist who made up much of the falsehoods found in the history of Christianity today.

But even if Constantine saw such vision, why should it mean anything to a rational, intelligent person?

Yet Eusebius died b4 Constantine! 🤣😂🤣😅😍
Was his army bearing the cross symbol (historical fact) also Eusebius??!

QuinQ:
Yet Eusebiis died b4 Constantine! 🤣😂🤣😅😍
Was his army bearing the cross symbol (historical fact) also Eusebius??!

There may have been a mix-up in dates. But it was someone else that said that Constantine said...
Constantine himself never said he saw a vision of a cross.

But even if Constantine saw any cross vision, it doesn't matter because the cross had been in use before Constantine

musicwriter:
There may have been a mix-up in dates. But it was someone else that said that Constantine said...
Constantine himself never said he saw a vision of a cross.

But even if Constantine saw any cross vision, it doesn't matter because the cross had been in use before Constantine

It is not just a mix-up in dates, you are totally mixed up. See below, Constantine himself.
Yep, his army were bearing the cross of Horus!

QuinQ:
It is not just a mix-up in dates, you are totally mixed up. See below, Constantine himself.
Yep, his army were bearing the cross of Horus!

That's what they said Constantine said! Isn't that what I told you??

musicwriter:
That's what they said Constantine said! Isn't that what I told you??

Several historians saying same thing!
HOW ELSE would you know what happened if not through historians? Will you go back and witness it? Please make sense!

MaxInDHouse:
Please what do you meant by the word "contemporaries"?

Are you talking about people who must pen down the history while it's happening or people who lived the same time with Jesus?🙂

If someone writes "Nigrrian Church history from 1914 to Present (2026)" you'd wonder why they didn't mention Oyedepo

QuinQ:
Several historians saying same thing!
HOW ELSE would you know what happened if not through historians? Will you go back and witness it? Please make sense!

Oh. Really?

So, you now believe what historians say?

If so, Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books?

musicwriter:
Oh. Really?

So, you now believe what historians say?

If so, Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books?

Because he was a "nobody", just one of several itinerant preachers, non of whom was mentioned.
Same reason you wouldn't mention some minor preacher with few followers in Ibadan if you were writing history of British Empire.
You are confused by stature of Christ today

QuinQ:
If someone writes "Nigrrian Church history from 1914 to Present (2026)" you'd wonder why they didn't mention Oyedepo.

I'm asking what you meant by the word "CONTEMPORARIES"
Please don't change the subject!

QuinQ:
So you do accept that Jesus did indeed exist. Your only problem is with things like zombie apocalypse?
Again, why would they adopt the cross symbol for no reason while it was a symbol of shameful death?

Yes the issue is the tales of supernatural occurences. You have no wayto support those without simultaneously accepting any other similar tales from other religions.

Like I pointed out to you using the now infamous Nazi symbol which was NOT a symbol of hate before the Nazis started using it, symbols can be repurposed for any thing. You Christians for example believe the rainbow to be a symbol for something other than LGBTQ pride symbolism. The cross previously being a symbol of shameful death doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, it is what it means to you Christians that matters. In other words a symbol is only as meaningful as you want it to be.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm asking what you meant by the word "CONTEMPORARIES"
Please don't change the subject!

I said "contemporary historian", a historian living around the same time as the person or happening.
Example, someone writing a history of the Biafran War today would be a contemporary historian. As opposed to someone writing it 500 years from now.
Example. Josephus would be considered a contemporary historian of Jesus though he was born after His death.

LordReed:
Yes the issue is the tales of supernatural occurences. You have no wayto support those without simultaneously accepting any other similar tales from other religions.

Like I pointed out to you using the now infamous Nazi symbol which was NOT a symbol of hate before the Nazis started using it, symbols can be repurposed for any thing. You Christians for example believe the rainbow to be a symbol for something other than LGBTQ pride symbolism. The cross previously being a symbol of shameful death doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, it is what it means to you Christians that matters. In other words a symbol is only as meaningful as you want it to be.

Ok, so that settles it. Sonmvayina no more talk of Jesus never existing.
As for cross, the point is that they didn't adopt it based on nothing - if Christ never existed and therefore never crucified on the cross

QuinQ:
Because he was a "nobody", just one of several itinerant preachers, non of whom was mentioned.
Same reason you wouldn't mention some minor preacher with few followers in Ibadan if you were writing history of British Empire.
You are confused by stature of Christ today

It's so funny you're calling your Jesus a "nobody" out of desperation.

Be informed that historians don't deny that there were people called Jashua (Jesus). Contrary to your view, Rome recorded names of a lot of popular and not so popular Yashuas (Jesus'ES), they recorded everything, including the names of their warrior horses, in fact, just open your Bible and there are names of family trees of several generations. I think there are even names of beggars. That's how meticulous the Roman empire kept record.

Of course, there must have been thousands of people called (Yashua) Jesus 2,000 years ago. Because Joshua is just a Jewish name meaning "God saves". In Igbo language it's CHINAZO, which means the same thing- God saves. It's even a popular Igbo name.

What historians say is that there's no proof of any Yashua (Jesus) who was born by a virgin, walked on water, resurrected from dead.

For details, below is how Kenneth Humphreys, answered the question of numerous Jesus's, in his book; Jesus never existed:

Was there a Jesus? Of course there was a Jesus – many!

The archetypal Jewish hero was Joshua (the successor of Moses) otherwise known as Yehoshua (Yeshua) bin Nun ('Jesus of the fish’). Since the name Jesus (Yeshua or Yeshu in Hebrew, Iesous in Greek, source of the English spelling) originally was a title (meaning ‘saviour’, derived from ‘Yahweh Saves’) probably every band in the Jewish resistance had its own hero figure sporting this moniker, among others.

Josephus, the first century Jewish historian mentions no fewer than nineteen different Yeshuas/Jesii, about half of them contemporaries of the supposed Christ! In his Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus: Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel. Even Saint Paul makes reference to a rival magician, preaching ‘another Jesus’ (2 Corinthians 11,4). The surfeit of early Jesuses includes:

Jesus ben Sirach.
This Jesus was reputedly the author of the Book of Sirach (aka 'Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach'), part of Old Testament Apocrypha. Ben Sirach, writing in Greek about 180 BC, brought together Jewish 'wisdom' and Homeric-style heroes.

Jesus ben Pandira.
A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus (106-79 BC), one of the most ruthless of the Maccabean kings. Imprudently, this Jesus launched into a career of end-time prophecy and agitation which upset the king. He met his own premature end-time by being hung on a tree – and on the eve of a Passover. Scholars have speculated this Jesus founded the Essene sect.

Jesus ben Ananias.
Beginning in 62AD, this Jesus had caused disquiet in Jerusalem with a non-stop doom-laden mantra of ‘Woe to the city’. He prophesied rather vaguely:

"A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against the whole people."

– Josephus, Wars 6.3.

Arrested and flogged by the Romans, Jesus ben Ananias was released as nothing more dangerous than a mad man. He died during the siege of Jerusalem from a rock hurled by a Roman catapult.

Jesus ben Saphat.
In the insurrection of 68AD that wrought havoc in Galilee, this Jesus had led the rebels in Tiberias ("the leader of a seditious tumult of mariners and poor people" – Josephus, Life 12.66). When the city was about to fall to Vespasian’s legionaries he fled north to Tarichea on the Sea of Galilee.

Jesus ben Gamala.
During 68/69 AD this Jesus was a leader of the ‘peace party’ in the civil war wrecking Judaea. From the walls of Jerusalem he had remonstrated with the besieging Idumeans (led by ‘James and John, sons of Susa’). It did him no good. When the Idumeans breached the walls he was put to death and his body thrown to the dogs and carrion birds.

Jesus ben Thebuth.
A priest who, in the final capitulation of the upper city in 69AD, saved his own skin by surrendering the treasures of the Temple, which included two holy candlesticks, goblets of pure gold, sacred curtains and robes of the high priests. The booty figured prominently in the Triumph held for Vespasian and his son Titus.

But was there a crucified Jesus?

Certainly. Jesus ben Stada was a Judean agitator who gave the Romans a headache in the early years of the second century. He met his end in the town of Lydda (twenty five miles from Jerusalem) at the hands of a Roman crucifixion crew. And given the scale that Roman retribution could reach – at the height of the siege of Jerusalem the Romans were crucifying upwards of five hundred captives a day before the city walls – dead heroes called Jesus would (quite literally) have been thick on the ground. Not one merits a full-stop in the great universal history.

But then with so many Jesuses could there not have been a Jesus of Nazareth?

The problem for this notion is that absolutely nothing at all corroborates the sacred biography and yet this 'greatest story' is peppered with numerous anachronisms, contradictions and absurdities. For example, at the time that Joseph and the pregnant Mary are said to have gone off to Bethlehem for a supposed Roman census, Galilee (unlike Judaea) was not a Roman province and therefore ma and pa would have had no reason to make the journey. Even if Galilee had been imperial territory, history knows of no ‘universal census’ ordered by Augustus (nor any other emperor) – and Roman taxes were based on property ownership not on a head count. Then again, we now know that Nazareth did not exist before the second century.

It is mentioned not at all in the Old Testament nor by Josephus, who waged war across the length and breadth of Galilee (a territory about the size of Greater London) and yet Josephus records the names of dozens of other towns. In fact most of the ‘Jesus-action’ takes place in towns of equally doubtful provenance, in hamlets so small only partisan Christians know of their existence (yet well attested pagan cities, with extant ruins, failed to make the Jesus itinerary).

musicwriter:
It's so funny you're calling your Jesus a "nobody" out of desperation.

Be informed that historians don't deny that there were people called Jashua (Jesus). Contrary to your view, Rome recorded names of a lot of popular and not so popular Yashuas (Jesus'ES), they recorded everything, including the names of their warrior horses, in fact, just open your Bible and there are names of family trees of several generations. I think there are even names of beggars. That's how meticulous the Roman empire kept record.

Of course, there must have been thousands of people called (Yashua) Jesus 2,000 years ago. Because Joshua is just a Jewish name meaning "God saves". In Igbo language it's CHINAZO, which means the same thing- God saves. It's even a popular Igbo name.

What historians say is that there's no proof of any Yashua (Jesus) who was born by a virgin, walked on water, resurrected from dead.

For details, below is how Kenneth Humphreys, answered the question of numerous Jesus's, in his book; Jesus never existed:

Was there a Jesus? Of course there was a Jesus – many!

The archetypal Jewish hero was Joshua (the successor of Moses) otherwise known as Yehoshua (Yeshua) bin Nun ('Jesus of the fish’). Since the name Jesus (Yeshua or Yeshu in Hebrew, Iesous in Greek, source of the English spelling) originally was a title (meaning ‘saviour’, derived from ‘Yahweh Saves’) probably every band in the Jewish resistance had its own hero figure sporting this moniker, among others.

Josephus, the first century Jewish historian mentions no fewer than nineteen different Yeshuas/Jesii, about half of them contemporaries of the supposed Christ! In his Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus: Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel. Even Saint Paul makes reference to a rival magician, preaching ‘another Jesus’ (2 Corinthians 11,4). The surfeit of early Jesuses includes:

Jesus ben Sirach.
This Jesus was reputedly the author of the Book of Sirach (aka 'Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach'), part of Old Testament Apocrypha. Ben Sirach, writing in Greek about 180 BC, brought together Jewish 'wisdom' and Homeric-style heroes.

Jesus ben Pandira.
A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus (106-79 BC), one of the most ruthless of the Maccabean kings. Imprudently, this Jesus launched into a career of end-time prophecy and agitation which upset the king. He met his own premature end-time by being hung on a tree – and on the eve of a Passover. Scholars have speculated this Jesus founded the Essene sect.

Jesus ben Ananias.
Beginning in 62AD, this Jesus had caused disquiet in Jerusalem with a non-stop doom-laden mantra of ‘Woe to the city’. He prophesied rather vaguely:

"A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against the whole people."

– Josephus, Wars 6.3.

Arrested and flogged by the Romans, Jesus ben Ananias was released as nothing more dangerous than a mad man. He died during the siege of Jerusalem from a rock hurled by a Roman catapult.

Jesus ben Saphat.
In the insurrection of 68AD that wrought havoc in Galilee, this Jesus had led the rebels in Tiberias ("the leader of a seditious tumult of mariners and poor people" – Josephus, Life 12.66). When the city was about to fall to Vespasian’s legionaries he fled north to Tarichea on the Sea of Galilee.

Jesus ben Gamala.
During 68/69 AD this Jesus was a leader of the ‘peace party’ in the civil war wrecking Judaea. From the walls of Jerusalem he had remonstrated with the besieging Idumeans (led by ‘James and John, sons of Susa’). It did him no good. When the Idumeans breached the walls he was put to death and his body thrown to the dogs and carrion birds.

Jesus ben Thebuth.
A priest who, in the final capitulation of the upper city in 69AD, saved his own skin by surrendering the treasures of the Temple, which included two holy candlesticks, goblets of pure gold, sacred curtains and robes of the high priests. The booty figured prominently in the Triumph held for Vespasian and his son Titus.

But was there a crucified Jesus?

Certainly. Jesus ben Stada was a Judean agitator who gave the Romans a headache in the early years of the second century. He met his end in the town of Lydda (twenty five miles from Jerusalem) at the hands of a Roman crucifixion crew. And given the scale that Roman retribution could reach – at the height of the siege of Jerusalem the Romans were crucifying upwards of five hundred captives a day before the city walls – dead heroes called Jesus would (quite literally) have been thick on the ground. Not one merits a full-stop in the great universal history.

But then with so many Jesuses could there not have been a Jesus of Nazareth?

The problem for this notion is that absolutely nothing at all corroborates the sacred biography and yet this 'greatest story' is peppered with numerous anachronisms, contradictions and absurdities. For example, at the time that Joseph and the pregnant Mary are said to have gone off to Bethlehem for a supposed Roman census, Galilee (unlike Judaea) was not a Roman province and therefore ma and pa would have had no reason to make the journey. Even if Galilee had been imperial territory, history knows of no ‘universal census’ ordered by Augustus (nor any other emperor) – and Roman taxes were based on property ownership not on a head count. Then again, we now know that Nazareth did not exist before the second century.

It is mentioned not at all in the Old Testament nor by Josephus, who waged war across the length and breadth of Galilee (a territory about the size of Greater London) and yet Josephus records the names of dozens of other towns. In fact most of the ‘Jesus-action’ takes place in towns of equally doubtful provenance, in hamlets so small only partisan Christians know of their existence (yet well attested pagan cities, with extant ruins, failed to make the Jesus itinerary).

Notice I put "nobody" in quotes. You are conflating stature of Jesus today with that of then. If people were to be mentioned by order, Jesus would be among the last mentioned. His ministry was only 3 years old, he was only 33, he was not a high priest or political figure, he was not from a wealthy or influential family, he had no connections to wealthy or influential people, he had very few followers, his followers had no regular "church" or meeting place, his "ignominous" death and his denial by his closest friends, etc. Put that in context of today's Nigeria, do you know any itinerant preacher with 3-year old ministry and very few followers and no church building who'd be included in history of Nigeria? That the person allegedly walked on water and raised the dead would be further good reason to exclude them!

If despite all that he's being worshipped as God today and His words never forgotten (exactly as he said), if that doesn't convince you. nothing else would!

If so then each historian will right what is important to them as for Jesus he was a nobody then that's why Pharisees need someone to identify his face, Herod wanted to know him because of the death of John the baptist that he killed thinking Jesus could be resurrected John and most importantly the Roman governor Pontius Pilate found the whole story as nonsense but he felt the Jewish religious leaders were simply jealous that Jesus (a younger Jew) is stealing their members.

So no right thinking historian of his time could think of writing about a nobody!🙂

QuinQ:
I said "contemporary historian", a historian living around the same time as the person or happening.
Example, someone writing a history of the Biafran War today would be a contemporary historian. As opposed to someone writing it 500 years from now.
Example. Josephus would be considered a contemporary historian of Jesus though he was born after His death.

QuinQ:
Ok, so that settles it. Sonmvayina no more talk of Jesus never existing.
As for cross, the point is that they didn't adopt it based on nothing - if Christ never existed and therefore never crucified on the cross

It doesn’t matter why they adopted it, that is not an indication that the religion is therefore true or has more merit than any other religion.

MaxInDHouse:
If so then each historian will right what is important to them as for Jesus he was a nobody then that's why Pharisees need someone to identify his face, Herod wanted to know him because of the death of John the baptist that he killed thinking Jesus could be resurrected John and most importantly the Roman governor Pontius Pilate found the whole story as nonsense but he felt the Jewish religious leaders were simply jealous that Jesus (a younger Jew) is stealing their members.

So no right thinking historian of his time could think of writing about a nobody!🙂

Exactly. If people were to be written about by order, he'd be among the last written. Allegedly walking on water and raising the dead would convince historians even more that they were dealing with fiction not worth mentioning!

LordReed:
It doesn’t matter why they adopted it, that is not an indication that the religion is therefore true or has more merit than any other religion.

It had to have meant something, don't you think? See below

QuinQ:
Notice I put "nobody" in quotes. You are conflating stature of Jesus today with that of then. If people were to be mentioned by order, Jesus would be among the last mentioned. His ministry was only 3 years old, he was only 33, he was not a high priest or political figure, he was not from a wealthy or influential family, he had no connections to wealthy or influential people, he had very few followers, his followers had no regular "church" or meeting place, his "ignominous" death and his denial by his closest friends, etc. Put that in context of today's Nigeria, do you know any itinerant preacher with 3-year old ministry and very few followers and no church building who'd be included in history of Nigeria? That the person allegedly walked on water and raised the dead would be further good reason to exclude them!

If despite all that he's being worshipped as God today and His words never forgotten (exactly as he said), if that doesn't convince you. nothing else would!

Your view is contrary to your Bible!

Your Bible paints the image of a popular Jesus in his time.

He is said to have fed "multitudes" numbering over 5,000.

He resurrected Lazarus from the dead in the presence of many.

He went into a city to heal people and the crowd was so many that some people tied their friend on a rope and threw him into the healing arena through the ceiling.

He went into a city riding a young horse and the people shouted Hosanna throughout the city.

He resurrected from the dead and the whole world saw him ascend into heaven.

He was pelted with stones by the crowd on the day of his crucification. And many people witnessed his crucification. A Pilate even asked the "crowd" who should I release to tou: Jesus or the thief?

So, you must be talking about a different Jesus, not the popular one in your Bible

LordReed:
Yes the issue is the tales of supernatural occurences. You have no wayto support those without simultaneously accepting any other similar tales from other religions.

Like I pointed out to you using the now infamous Nazi symbol which was NOT a symbol of hate before the Nazis started using it, symbols can be repurposed for any thing. You Christians for example believe the rainbow to be a symbol for something other than LGBTQ pride symbolism. The cross previously being a symbol of shameful death doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, it is what it means to you Christians that matters. In other words a symbol is only as meaningful as you want it to be.

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But it still remains so laughable to me because if they executed Bros Jay with a gun, so na so gun for be the symbol today?

QuinQ:
Exactly. If people were to be written about by order, he'd be among the last written. Allegedly walking on water and raising the dead would convince historians even more that they were dealing with fiction not worth mentioning!

Jesus himself knew that history can't be on his side because Satan is the one in control of all the fields having to do with money and riches among mankind that is why he said to his disciples:

"You will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth" Act 1:8

Are they to be arguing about Jesus' existence?

NO!

Rather it's by their activities as prophesied in the Bible before Jesus that will serve as evidence or witness that the promised Prince Of Peace has come and taught people through his wonderful counsel {Isaiah 9:6} how to form a global family of peace loving worshipers in preparation for the coming new world!

@ Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3

This is what we found:


In the last days the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.



Malachi said:


Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. ‭Malachi 3:16 NIV‬


So if there is a global organization of worshipers who have used what they found in the Bible to resolve all their disparities peacefully among themselves, stop producing, buying selling and using of weapons and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone yet someone keeps agitating about the existence of God's promised Prince Of Peace there is no need wasting my precious time with such ones.

Malachi said while we are going about discussing with interested ones who are seeking the righteousness of God and reasoning with them from the scriptures {Matthew 10:11-13; 28:19-20} Jehovah's angels are writing down our names and the names of those paying attention to us {Malachi 3:16} because that's the only way people's name can enter into the book of life! Revelation 20:15🙂

sonmvayina:
talk is real cheap......it's now time to walk the walk, you are nowhere to be found. I know your type...


run along now.

sorry eh. I don't spoon feed lazy people

QuinQ:
It had to have meant something, don't you think? See below

Again a symbol can represent anything. Do you realise the Nazis used a cross just as they they were killing millions of Jews? I guess that means the Nazis were right in what they were doing because they used the cross?

MaxInDHouse:
I never expected you to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses because there is one quality that's found in each person who becomes one of us and from the experience i have had with you that quality is far from you.
So my response to you is for prospective JWs who are searching for the only true Christian organization not just every Dick and Harry because faith on its own is not a possession of all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2🙂

The prophecies about the Messiah started right in the garden of Eden after Adam's rebellion.

@ Genesis 3:15 God told Satan that a child will be born who will destroy all the works of Satan! 1John 3:8

@ Genesis 49:10 Jacob prophesied that rulership will not depart from Judah until Shiloh comes and to him the obedience of all the people will belong! Philippians 2:10

@ Deuteronomy 18:18 God promised to raise a prophet/god like Moses {Exodus 7:1} among the Israelites {Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1} and whoever disobey him will be cut off from among the living! John 3:16

@ Isaiah 14:12 it was revealed that a virgin will become pregnant and give birth to a baby boy whose name will be called Immanuel which means "with us if God" Jesus was born of a virgin and he served as God performing great miracles even greater than what Moses who was first called God did in his lifetime. Exodus 7:1

@ Daniel 9:26 It was revealed that the Christ (Messiah) will be killed with no property left for himself this happened to Jesus of Nazareth as the last thing he had on him was taken away! John 19:23-24

@ Daniel 12:1-3 it was revealed that Michael who is standing for the salvation of God's people will come and do so many things which Jesus did in his three years of ministry.

@ Joel 2:28-30 God promised to put His spirit on many believers and lots of wonderful things will happen this was fulfilled few days after Jesus was raised from the dead showing that what God promised has been granted! Act 2:16-18

@ Isaiah 2:2-4 & Micah 4:1-3 God promised to unite faithful people throughout the world and make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers through the teachings of the Bible. Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling this today.

So if you don't believe that Jesus exists that's your own cup of coffee God has given enough evidence (witnesses) around you and that is what we need to see not seeing a spirit before believing that our God is working among us! Isaiah 43:10🙂

you are just playing to the gallery, and beating about the bush.
show me where God said he had a son and where he said he will send the son as a sacrifice for the ransom of humans


then while at it, show me where God said he would impregnate another man's wife to sire a son.

I don't want conjectures

MaxInDHouse:
If Jesus doesn't answer every question is that a reason to insult and abuse people?🙂

Please help me thank Jehovah.

He just saved the life of a teenager who would have been killed by your organisation.