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MaxInDHouse:
God's word doesn't contradicts itself so if you call a verse "CONTRARY" in the Bible it's an insult to our God whose word doesn't contradicts itself.
We need to understand the Bible as a whole not choosing what we like to quote.
According to God's word the only wage for sin is death {Romans 6:23} and at death the sinner is acquainted from his sin {Romans 6:7} so if we now find verses not in agreement with this such should be idioms not literal.

Gabrielshow24:
Also, there shouldn't be heaven either🤣🤣🤣.
Why then do you hope of heaven? 🤨
When after all you die and have knowledge no more? 🤨

You spinned the Jeremiah's verse on it head🤣🤣🤣—typical Max!!!

Everything you alluded to is the physical perspective!!! From the physical perspective Abraham is dead!!!

Yet God said, he is not the God of the dead but of the living!!!
Greatly implying that Abraham is still alive!!!

Do you see how you are shooting yourself in the leg? 🤣🤣🤣

I can even argue that if Adam had not sinned we won't have come into existence!!!
🤨

It would have been two humans living like Angels in the presence of God!!! 🙃🙃🙃

Actually you should happy that God brought out good from evil🤨

MaxInDHouse:
The resurrection is for two sets of people.
RIGHTEOUS
and
UNRIGHTEOUS {Act 24:15}

Those declared righteous are individuals who have had dealings with the true God in ancient times and since they acted upon His instructions God declared them righteous so during the resurrection of the dead such ones will be raised back to life! Job 14:14-15
The unrighteous are people who lived by their God's given conscience but they don't know the true God so because they used their God's given conscience to do what they believe is right God will remember them during the resurrection of the dead! Romans 2:14-15

Before this set of righteousness and unrighteous believers in Christ will be raised back to life first {1Thessalonians 4:16} because it's them that knows God's purpose in full unlike those who lived in ancient times that couldn't figure out what Jesus taught.

As for those who choose to be wicked deliberately no resurrection for them! Psalms 9:17

Gabrielshow24:
Better remove cjstars from there or do you want me to post his new thoughts about you🤣🤣🤣

From this I can draw an extrapolation that at least 70% of those people would have had a change of heart🤣🤣🤣

MaxInDHouse:
They have returned!
Our people have returned from market!

achorladey:
Many things for max to chew

MaxInDHouse:
But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do OBEISANCE to him.”

The word is OBEISANCE not WORSHIP!

immaculatesense:
Can your explain Hebrews 1:6 otherwise?
Hebrews 1:6
[6]And when he brought his supreme Son into the world, God said,
[/b]“Let all of God’s angels worship him.”[b]

Kingsnairaland:
Always twisting Bible

Kingsnairaland:
Always twisting Bible

tctrills:
Lol, but you remain a hypocrite. No one believes the Bible to be contradictory more than your organization. You even completely reject at least one verse form the bible. It's funny that we both agree on this yet you think you can criticize me. I can also see how badly you don't want me in this discussion.
I know I make it rough for you but it's never personal. I just don't like people or organizations with dishonest teachings.
I don't hate you I am only correcting you.

Here are so JW bible controversies
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

New World Translation (NWT):

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."

2.
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created..."

NWT:

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created..."
3
Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise."

NWT:

"Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise."
4
But of the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever...'"

NWT:

"But about the Son he says: 'God is your throne forever and ever...'"

5
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

New World Translation (NWT):

"For there are three witness bearers:" (with no mention of the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit)

So stop being the hypocrite. You believe that the bible is very controversial. You teach it but you will come online to fight me.

Janosky:
Some people no want ignorance to leave them.
But love to deceive themselves.

1.
14 Bible versions @ Jn 1:1 reads "the word was a god"
Did Jesus agree?
Yes.
John 10:34-36,Jesus( the word ) quoted Psalm 82:6 saying,the sons of God are gods.
Jesus is a god, son of God.
No argument.
2. Colossians 1:15, Jesus is Firstborn of every creature is a creature as firstborn of every child is a child.
No how you can twist this fact.
1 Cor 8:6,Jesus is not the Creator.
@ Luke 13:2, your Bible added (" Other" which is not in any Greek manuscript.
Remove it from Luke 13:2,otherwise stop the hypocrisy.
3. There is no record in your Bible that the thi.ef resurrected with Jesus.
The garden of Eden was the paradise (the earth) given to man .

4.
Psalm 45:6 was copied at Hebrew 1:8.
The Message Bible & Catholic New Jerusalem Bible reads:
"Your throne is from God"/ Your throne given of God".
NWT " God is your throne ". (Same meaning with The Message Bible,Catholic New Jerusalem Bible.)
In Isaiah " God is your Crown".
If your version of Psalms 45:6/Hebrew 1:8 is different ,just know that you have been deceived.
No capping.

5.
Johaneum comma in KJV ,textus Receptus Bibles of 1 John 5:7 is a man made contraption.
Use Biblehub 1 John 5:7 & note the KJV error.
Quit your ignorance,I dey beg you.

tctrills:
Jn 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Hebrews 1.8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom

Janosky:
Jesus spoke the statement of John 10:34-36, he is the son of God.
God call his Son a god ..
Jesus told me so.

John the apostle heard it too.
John 1:1 must be (Jesus) " the Word" is a god."

[b]The Message Bible of Psalm 45:6
Bible Gateway
https://www.biblegateway.com
Psalm 45:6-7 MSG - “Your throne is God's throne, ever
6-7 “Your throne is God's throne, ever and always; The scepter of your royal rule measures right living. You love the right and hate the wrong

& Masoretic Hebrew language of Psalm 45:6-7 ,Oga,confirm the truth there .
Hebrew 1:8 was doctored with Trinitarian objectives. [/b]

Janosky:
God his Father taught Jesus @ Deut 6:13 & Matt 4:10 (quoted by Jesus) "Worship Jehovah Yahweh ALONE".

Meaning "Do NOT worship 2 persons, Jesus & Yahweh.
Worship YAHWEH ALONE, simple instruction.
Paul a Jew already knows that Obeisance/ homage is the proper meaning @ Hebrew 1:6.
Catholic new Jerusalem Bible evidence.
Pope say nah homage not worship.

Janosky:
Jesus spoke the statement of John 10:34-36, he is the son of God.
God call his Son a god ..
Jesus told me so.

John the apostle heard it too.
John 1:1 must be (Jesus) " the Word" is a god."

[b]The Message Bible of Psalm 45:6
Bible Gateway
https://www.biblegateway.com
Psalm 45:6-7 MSG - “Your throne is God's throne, ever
6-7 “Your throne is God's throne, ever and always; The scepter of your royal rule measures right living. You love the right and hate the wrong

& Masoretic Hebrew language of Psalm 45:6-7 ,Oga,confirm the truth there .
Hebrews 1:8 was doctored with Trinitarian objectives. [/b]

immaculatesense:
So I should listen to the Pope or Catholic abi? I what capacity will the Pope be acting on? As my God or as the scriptures.
Worship is worship, nothing like Obeisance except you want to use it as synonyms.
IT IS VISIBLE TO THE BLING THAT THE SAME HEBREW WORD WAS USED IN BOTH INSTANCES WHICH SHOWS SAME MEANING AND WEIGHT. IF YOU LIKE USE ANY SYNONYM TO DIFFERENTIATE THEM, NA YOUR WAHALA BE THAT. ALL THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WERE INSTRUCTED TO WORSHIP HIM. HE ENJOYS THAT PRIVILEGE BECAUSE GOD, HIS FATHER, SAID SO. THAT DOESN'T PUT HIM OVER THE FATHER. THAT JUST PUT HIM OVER EVERY OTHER THING IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.

NO BE JUJU BE DAT?

tctrills:
So, about John 1.1, you are wrong. John called Jesus Christ God.

[b]Yes, Psalm 45:6-7 and Hebrews 1:8 are quite similar, but Paul never claimed that He was quoting the Psalm. Both verses are 2 independent revelations. [/b]We still have the original Greek writings of Hebrews 1, so it is very easy to detect if Hebrews 1 was doctored, and from the below, you will see it was not doctored.

Now, here is Hebrews 1:8 in its original Greek, followed by a careful English translation.

Original Greek (NA28 / Majority Text)

πρὸς δὲ τὸν Υἱόν·
Ὁ θρόνος σου ὁ Θεὸς εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος,
καὶ ἡ ῥάβδος τῆς εὐθύτητος ῥάβδος τῆς βασιλείας σου.

Literal English Translation (word-for-word)

But concerning the Son:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
and the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.”

Standard English Bible Translation (ESV-style)

“But of the Son he says,
‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.’”

Important Linguistic Note (why this verse matters)

ὁ Θεὸς (ho Theos) is in the vocative sense here

Grammatically, it is direct address

The Father is speaking to the Son and calling Him “God”

This is not:

“God is your throne” ❌ (grammatically forced)

“Your throne is divine” ❌

It is:

“Your throne, O God” (natural Greek)

This wording directly quotes Psalm 45:6–7 (LXX) and applies it explicitly to the Son, affirming His deity and eternal kingship.

One-sentence conclusion

In Hebrews 1:8, the Father directly addresses the Son as “God” in the original Greek, declaring His throne eternal and His rule righteous. do not say the same thing, and both are correct.

Tctrills,stop deceiving yourself.
Paul copied/quoted every word of Psalms 45:6-8 @ Hebrew 1:8-9.
Psalms 45:7-8 Hebrew Masoretic text.


ז כִּסְאֲךָ אֱלֹהִים, עוֹלָם וָעֶד; שֵׁבֶט מִישֹׁר, שֵׁבֶט מַלְכוּתֶךָ. 7 Thy throne given of God is for ever and ever; a sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
ח אָהַבְתָּ צֶּדֶק, וַתִּשְׂנָא-רֶשַׁע:
עַל-כֵּן מְשָׁחֲךָ אֱלֹהִים אֱלֹהֶיךָ, שֶׁמֶן שָׂשׂוֹן-- מֵחֲבֵרֶךָ. 8 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; {N}
therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows"

Why whould you translate from Hebrew language to Greek & give a different rendition in your Greek text?
Hebrew language Psalm 45 " Your throne given of God is forever"
Greek translation " Your throne O God."
Oga,be reasonable & reason well.
Stop deceiving yourself.

tctrills:
Jn 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Otez
Hebrews 1.8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom

Janosky:

Tctrills,stop deceiving yourself.
Paul copied/quoted every word of Psalms 45:6-8 @ Hebrew 1:8-9.
Psalms 45:7-8 Hebrew Masoretic text.


ז כִּסְאֲךָ אֱלֹהִים, עוֹלָם וָעֶד; שֵׁבֶט מִישֹׁר, שֵׁבֶט מַלְכוּתֶךָ. 7 Thy throne given of God is for ever and ever; a sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
ח אָהַבְתָּ צֶּדֶק, וַתִּשְׂנָא-רֶשַׁע:
עַל-כֵּן מְשָׁחֲךָ אֱלֹהִים אֱלֹהֶיךָ, שֶׁמֶן שָׂשׂוֹן-- מֵחֲבֵרֶךָ. 8 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; {N}
therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows"

Why whould you translate from Hebrew language to Greek & give a different rendition in your Greek text?
Hebrew language Psalm 45 " Your throne given of God is forever"
Greek translation " Your throne O God."
Oga,be reasonable & reason well.
Stop deceiving yourself.

tctrills:
Again, you are depending on guess work. Paul never claimed to copy any verse.

You are simply of the illusion that God can't add more revelation to His words.

Lastly, Hebrews 1.8 was originally written in Greek so I gave you the Original Greek translation.

I challenge you to translate Hebrew 1.8 using any AI. These days you don't need to ask anyone for translation. Grok, Chatgpt or Gemini would give you an accurate translation.

Lastly, if you have any evidence that Paul was directly qouting the words in psalms please show, we are ready to learn.

Janosky:
.

Oga, ask your Grok, Gemini & Ai if Paul quoted Hebrew language Psalms 45:6-7 @ Hebrews 1:8-9.

Pls don't deceive yourself

Janosky:
.

Oga, ask your Grok, Gemini & Ai if Paul quoted Hebrew language Psalms 45:6-7 @ Hebrews 1:8-9.

Pls don't deceive yourself

tctrills:
I have answered your question in my earlier post, but again, I asked ChatGPT why the JW translation is not accurate. Let's learn below.

The Jehovah’s Witness (JW) translation, officially called the New World Translation (NWT), is often criticized as not accurate because it changes the meaning of key texts to fit JW theology, rather than letting the Greek and Hebrew determine doctrine.

Below is a clear, respectful, text-based explanation, with concrete examples—especially Hebrews 1:8, which you’ve been asking about.

The core issue: theology drives translation

All translations involve interpretation, but the NWT is different because:

It was produced by a small, anonymous committee

None of the translators were recognized experts in Koine Greek or Biblical Hebrew

The translation was designed to support JW doctrines, especially:

Jesus is not God

Jesus is a created being (Michael the archangel)

When translation decisions repeatedly align with one doctrine—even when grammar argues otherwise—that’s a red flag.

Hebrews 1:8 — the clearest example
Greek text (unchanged in all manuscripts)

Ὁ θρόνος σου ὁ Θεὸς εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος

All standard translations render it:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever”

NWT renders it:

“God is your throne forever and ever”

Why this is inaccurate

Greek vocative address (“O God”) is normal here

The word order matches direct address, not a predicate

No Greek grammar rule supports “God is your throne”

No ancient Jewish or Christian source understood it that way

👉 The NWT translation exists only to avoid calling the Son “God”

This is especially serious because:

The verse begins: “But about the Son, he says…”

The speaker is God the Father

The Father addresses the Son as God

The NWT reverses the meaning to avoid this conclusion.

John 1:1 — adding theology, not translating
Greek

καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος

Standard translation

“and the Word was God”

NWT

“and the Word was a god”

Why this is inaccurate

Greek does not use an indefinite article (“a”)

The construction describes nature, not identity

No justification exists for inserting “a”

Early Greek-speaking Christians never read it this way

The NWT adds a word that is not in the text.

Colossians 1:16–17 — inserting words repeatedly
Greek

“by him all things were created…”

NWT

“by him all other things were created…”

The word “other”:

Appears 4 times

Appears 0 times in Greek manuscripts

This changes the meaning from:

Christ created everything
to
Christ created everything except himself

That’s theology, not translation.

Colossians 1:16–17 — inserting words repeatedly
Greek

“by him all things were created…”

NWT

“by him all other things were created…”

The word “other”:

Appears 4 times

Appears 0 times in Greek manuscripts

This changes the meaning from:

Christ created everything
to
Christ created everything except himself

That’s theology, not translation.

Luke 23:43 — moving punctuation to change doctrine
Greek (no punctuation)

“Truly I say to you today you will be with me in Paradise”

Standard understanding

“Truly I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise”

NWT

“Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise”

Why?

JW theology denies conscious life after death

Moving the comma supports that belief

No grammatical necessity exists for the change

Again, doctrine determines translation.
Why this matters

Translation should answer:

“What does the text say?”

The NWT often answers:

“What must the text say for our doctrine to work?”

That reverses the proper order of interpretation.

One-sentence conclusion

The JW New World Translation is not considered accurate because it repeatedly alters grammar, adds words, or changes meaning in key passages—especially about Jesus—to fit Watchtower theology rather than faithfully translating the original Greek and Hebrew.

Truthseeker10:
Lol...but you yourself claim that Jesus is not the Almighty God. Is that what the Trinity doctrine teaches?

Below is Hebrew 1:9

King James Bible
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

According to the verse above, If Jesus was the Almighty God in Hebrews 1:8, who is the other God in the verse above that is anointing him with oil?

How can an Almighty God be anointed by another Almighty God?

Janosky:
Mark 12:29-30
"Yeshua said to him, "The first of all the commandments: 'Hear Israel, THE LORD JEHOVAH your God, THE LORD JEHOVAH, he is One.' " 30"'And you shall love THE LORD JEHOVAH your God with your whole heart and with your entire soul and with your entire mind and with all your power.' This is the first commandment"
Mark 12:29-30 plus Matt 4:10
Yeshua said The Lord Jehovah your God is One, WORSHIP Lord Jehovah ALONE"

This instruction is for those who love & WORSHIP their God Jehovah ALONE.

I won't disobey Jesus instructions his God taught him.

immaculatesense:
But it's God himself that now announce that everything in heaven and on earth excluding the Father should worship him (Jesus).

MaxInDHouse:
Are you being serious right now?😂

immaculatesense:
But it's God himself that now announce that everything in heaven and on earth excluding the Father should worship him (Jesus).

immaculatesense:
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)