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AntiChristian:
You call it a lie yet you have no evidence at all! The liar is clear!

Show us just one person who has memorised the Bible wholly in its original language?

Of course he did as it is clear Moses spilted the sea!

I have given a screenshot that let's you see that memorization was Arabian culture before Mohammed. The Bible is larger than the Quran, yet many people have memorized large portions of it but it isn't the culture of Christian and Jews to memorize the Bible, otherwise, we'll also have 'memorizers'.

The Egyptians never denied the Moses story, did they? They're even building a bridge across the same sea to link Saudi Arabia. Guess the name of the bridge? Moses' Bridge!

The sea was parted to create road for the children to pass over when there was no road elsewhere. God had to move. So, why did Mohammed divide the moon? In order to cross over it into Jupiter? God does not do anything without a reason. And, the moon being divided can only be believed by brainwashed people. Who saw Mohammed dividing the moon? Hahaha!

FxMasterz:
I have given a screenshot that let's you see that memorization was Arabian culture before Mohammed. The Bible is larger than the Quran, yet many people have memorized large portions of it but it isn't the culture of Christian and Jews to memorize the Bible, otherwise, we'll also have 'memorizers'.

The Egyptians never denied the Moses story, did they? They're even building a bridge across the same sea to link Saudi Arabia. Guess the name of the bridge? Moses' Bridge!

The sea was parted to create road for the children to pass over when there was no road elsewhere. God had to move. So, why did Mohammed divide the moon? In order to cross over it into Jupiter? God does not do anything without a reason. And, the moon being divided can only be believed by brainwashed people. Who saw Mohammed dividing the moon? Hahaha!

Since you know memorization was an Arabian culture why did you lie that he copied many books? You even lied about the Gospel of Thomas!
Show us who has memorised the Bible in its original language!

The Arabs too never denied the moon splitting miracle! It was as clear as the day! Just as some particular Egyptians witnessed the red sea event, some particular Arabs witnessed the moon splitting event.

AntiChristian:
Since you know memorization was an Arabian culture why did you lie that he copied many books? You even lied about the Gospel of Thomas!
Show us who has memorised the Bible in its original language!

The Arabs too never denied the moon splitting miracle! It was as clear as the day! Just as some particular Egyptians witnessed the red sea event, some particular Arabs witnessed the moon splitting event.

Abeg, how does memorization prove the authenticity of the Quran? How does that disprove plagiarism? You can copy anything from anywhere and then memorize the compilation. How's that difficult ?

Now, tell us verifiable sources of witnesses who witnessed the splitting moon that was as clear as day.

FxMasterz:
Abeg, how does memorization prove the authenticity of the Quran? How does that disprove plagiarism? You can copy anything from anywhere and then memorize the compilation. How's that difficult ?

Now, tell us verifiable sources of witnesses who witnessed the splitting moon that was as clear as day.

Show us all the sources where he copied from? You lie about Gospel of Thomas don burst!

Tell us who witnessed Jesus walking on the sea too?

AntiChristian:
Show us all the sources where he copied from? You lie about Gospel of Thomas don burst!

Tell us who witnessed Jesus walking on the sea too?

The lie burst only in your head. I attached a screenshot evidence from the very beginning. Mohammed copied , no doubt. He plagiarized. Especially the clay bird miracle thing. An even that never happened that found its way into the Quran from a rejected book.

FxMasterz:
The lie burst only in your head. I attached a screenshot evidence from the very beginning. Mohammed copied , no doubt. He plagiarized. Especially the clay bird miracle thing. An even that never happened that found its way into the Quran from a rejected book.

What did he copied from?

Where is the evidence? Screenshot!

If i asked you what the evidence that Paul met Jesus you'll quote Paul or Luke (Paul's boy) to me right?

Gospel of Thomas is a lie sha!

AntiChristian:
What did he copied from?

Where is the evidence? Screenshot!

If i asked you what the evidence that Paul met Jesus you'll quote Paul or Luke (Paul's boy) to me right?

Gospel of Thomas is a lie sha!

Everyone of the disciples testified that Paul met Jesus. The first was Barnabas. Not even Luke. Peter and James, the leaders of the disciples after Jesus certified Paul. Who certified Mohammed? Who certified that indeed Mohammed split the moon? Who certified that indeed Mohammed met Allah?

Answer me o.

FxMasterz:
Go and ask ChatGpt. Even all AIs attest to the fact that Mohammed copied. Except you're brainwashed, you wouldn't be asking unnecessary questions.

Where did the AI say what you claim in the attached? I don't even know what type of Holy spirit controls you!

Antichristian2:
➜How did Paul recognize that it was Jesus speaking to him during his encounter on the road to Damascus, considering he had never met Jesus while He was alive and was initially opposed to Him?
➜ Furthermore, how did Paul, who had no prior personal relationship with Jesus, become a devoted follower and go on to write more than half of the New Testament,
➜ surpassing even the other eleven disciples combined?

1. Paul may not have met Jesus Christ of Israel in person, but given that he lived around the same time that Jesus Christ of Israel and, as a Pharisee, he knew well the Law of Moses, Paul would have recognized Jesus Christ of Israel whom the Prophets promised would appear by way of dreams and visions to all the Israelites(Jews included) when the end of days was finally upon them. According to the story, like all the other Israelites of the time, Paul was also granted visions/dreams. 🥱🥱

2. Paul didn't write any Scripture; he wrote letters which happened to have been later collected and appended to a book of writings related to Israelite Scriptures that is called the Bible. 🥱

3. According to the Gospels, Jesus Christ of Israel had at least 72 disciples, all of whom were considered equals in the Kingdom of God, none greater than the others. So, suggesting that Paul surpassed the others goes against what is stated by Jesus Christ of Israel Himself. That a religion was created by the Romans from excerpts taken from Paul's letters has nothing to do with the disciples or Jesus Christ of Israel and His message. 🥱🥱

Antichristian2:
➜How do we know it was Jesus when Paul never knew him before?

Well, the Law and the Prophets(including Jesus Christ of Israel) proclaimed that all Israelites would see him— via visions and/or dreams— when His Kingdom comes and when He returns. Since the story has it that Paul was an Israelite, it then follows that he, like every other blood Israelite, must have seen him before the end. 🥱

Antichristian2:
➜These doesn't show he was among the Pharisees Jesus met while alive. Paul was a Popular figure! Even Luke was Paul's guy, never wrote anything about his master Paul meeting Jesus for once!
➜ Being a Pharisee does not make Paul know Jesus. I can be going on the road somewhere in Lagos today and claim a voice called me and i saw a bright light....Will that be Jesus too?

1. There is no evidence that the Luke referenced in Paul's letters is the same Luke that the Gospel according to Luke is connected to. So, stating that Luke was Paul's guy is a leap that assumes the word of Ireneus, who lived in the 2nd/3rd century and was not an eyewitness to events in Jerusalem before the destruction of Jerusalem, and was not himself even a Jew or an Israelite. 🥱🥱

2. Well, you are not an Israelite who lived during a time when the YHWH of Israel promised through His prophets that every Israelite would see visions or dream dreams revealing the coming of the Kingdom of God and the end, ushering in His curse on the land and the people. These visions were to be seen by all, including sinners among the Israelites(the Pharisees not excluded). 🥱🥱

Antichristian2:
➜I just need to know how Paul recognised Jesus's voice in particular and also how he differentiated it from a demon's voice! It could be anyone's voice!

Interesting! 🥱🥱

Nowhere in the Torah or Injeel Scriptures is it stated that demons have the power to inflict visions and dreams on Israelites. If you read the book of the Law and the Prophets, you will note that YHWH was specific about the use of visions and dreams and how those who came to his people claiming false dreams and visions were to be put to death. 🥱🥱

Antichristian2:
➜ It's the same! Paul never knew Jesus yet the Bible said they met somehow! Now you are saying i can meet Jesus too! Jesus of Israel or Palestine? Black Jesus or brown Jesus or the White actor?

Both the Torah and the Injeel specify that the visions belonged only to the Israelites, and that was at the time that it was given. 🥱🥱

Antichristian2:
➜It's still the same thing! Who wrote all that? Luke! And who was Luke? Paul's loyal guy!

Again, there is no biblical evidence that the Luke associated with the Gospel of Luke is the very same Luke that is written of in either Colossians 4 vs14, Philemon 1 vs 24, and 2 Timothy 4:11. Why do I say this? The supposed connections between Paul's Luke and the Luke of the Gospels were created by Iraneus, who was a non-Israelite scholar associated with the religion of Christianity and a man known to have made several other erroneous claims regarding the disciples. 🥱🥱

It is sort of like the connection that has been numerously made of the author of the letter of James to James, one of the brothers of Jesus Christ of Israel. There is no concrete evidence for all these supposed connections that exist among Christian Scholars many of whom had no direct or indirect connection to the events that took place in Judea or the region during the first century. 🥱🥱

Antichristian2:
➜I believe He is above being deceitful. But the Biblical God as shown above is contrary to that!

Deceit suggests a hiding of the Truth. The YHWH of Israel never hid the fact that He is the creator of all things, Good and Evil, and all power(of good and evil) belongs in His hands. He is the standard maker and holder for all things.

He also never hid the fact of His Law and the implementation thereof. He made it abundantly clear to His people that He would implement both the blessings and the punishments of the Law, as written in Deuteronomy Chapter 27 to 30. There was no deceit or hiding of this basic detail. The book literally explains in detail how Satan is a servant — not an independent element —used by YHWH of Israel in accomplishing his goals — judgment on His people. 🥱🥱

His Law — in Deuteronomy— makes it explicit that anyone of Israel who speaks false visions or dreams in His name would be punished with death.🥱🥱

1 “A prophet or someone who explains dreams might come to you and tell you that they will show you a sign or a miracle.
2 And the sign or miracle they told you about might come true. Then they might ask you to follow other gods (gods you don’t know) and say to you, ‘Let’s serve these gods!’
3 Don’t listen to them, because the Lord your God is testing you. He wants to know if you love him with all your heart and all your soul.
4 You must follow the Lord your God. Respect him. Obey his commands and do what he tells you. Serve the Lord your God, and never leave him.
5 Also, you must kill that prophet or person who explains dreams, because they told you to turn against the Lord your God. And it was the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, where you were slaves. They tried to pull you away from the life he commanded you to live, so you must kill them to remove this evil from your people. - Deuteronomy 13 vs 1 - 5

Ezekiel 14 vs 6 - 11 literally reiterates the message of what is already presented in the Law of Moses.

6 “So tell the family of Israel, ‘This is what the Lord God says: Come back to me and leave your filthy idols. Turn away from those terrible, false gods.
7 If any Israelites or foreigners who live in Israel come to me for advice, I will give them an answer. I, the Lord, will answer them even if they still have their filthy idols, even if they kept the things that made them sin, and even if they worship those statues. This is the answer I will give them:
8 I will turn against them and destroy them. They will be an example to others. People will laugh at them. I will remove them from my people. Then you will know that I am the Lord!
9 A[b]nd if a prophet is foolish enough to give his own answer, I, the Lord, will show him how foolish he is! I will use my power against him. I will destroy him and remove him from among my people, Israel. [/b]
10 So both the one who came for advice and the prophet who gave an answer will get the same punishment.
11 Why? So that those prophets will stop leading my people away from me, and my people will stop being filthy with sin. Then they will be my special people, and I will be their God.’” This is what the Lord God said. - Ezekiel 14 vs 6 - 11

The difference is that God himself said in this case that He will destroy both the Prophet and anyone else caught in the trap set by him, taking bad advice from said false prophet. 🥱🥱

Now, to Jeremiah's lament in Jeremiah 20, instead of simply doing random search features to find and cherry-pick verses out of context, at least spend time reading through the passage before posting to better understand what the message really is. If you were to read what is written in the passage below from Jeremiah 20, you will find that Jeremiah didn't, in fact, mean that God did fool him, but rather that he felt his situation was a little harder than he would have liked. This is a man who had to carry a doomsday warning message for the people for a period that spanned about 30 years. He was impacted by it— people hated and plotted against him because of it— and he, Jeremiah, expressed it in the passage which you seemed to have glossed over. It was a seriously tough mission, and the people did not spare him at all. He didn't say God literally fooled him, as in deceived him by way of lies or untruths. 🥱🥱

He probably didn't expect the work to be as hard as it was. I mean, being a prophet, most of us would imagine enjoying favor and the good things, but that was not the case with Jeremiah. Reading through his writings, you get the sense that he may have been depressed at some point by it all. 🥱🥱

7. Lord, you tricked me, and I certainly was fooled. You are stronger than I am, so you won. I have become a joke. People laugh at me and make fun of me all day long.
8 Every time I speak, I shout. I am always shouting about violence and destruction. I tell the people about the message that I received from the Lord. But they only insult me and make fun of me.
9 Sometimes I say to myself, “I will forget about him. I will not speak anymore in his name.” But when I say that, his message is like a fire burning inside me! It feels like it is burning deep in my bones! I get tired of trying to hold his message inside. And finally, I am not able to hold it in.
10 I hear people whispering against me. Everywhere, I hear things that frighten me. Even my friends are speaking against me. People are just waiting for me to make a mistake. They are saying, “Let us lie and say that he did something bad. Maybe we can trick Jeremiah. Then we will have him. We will finally be rid of him. Then we will grab him and take our revenge on him.”
11 But the Lord is with me. He is like a strong soldier. So those who are chasing me will fall. They will not defeat me. They will fail. They will be disappointed. They will be ashamed, and they will never forget that shame.
12 Lord All-Powerful, you test good people. You look deeply into a person’s mind. I told you my arguments against these people. So let me see you give them the punishment they deserve.
13 Sing to the Lord! Praise the Lord! He saves the lives of the poor! He saves them from the wicked!
14 Curse the day that I was born! Don’t bless the day my mother had me.
15 Curse the man who told my father the news that I was born. “It’s a boy!” he said. “You have a son.” He made my father very happy when he told him the news.
16 Let that man be like the cities the Lord destroyed. He had no pity on them. Let him hear shouts of war in the morning; let him hear battle cries at noontime,
17 because he did not kill me while I was in my mother’s womb. If he had killed me then, my mother would have been my grave, and I would not have been born.
18 Why did I have to come out of her body? All I have seen is trouble and sorrow, and my life will end in shame. - Jeremiah 20 vs 18 -

I get it that it is hard to pick up on context when it comes to the Quran and the Hadiths, but when it comes to the Torah(and the Prophets) as well as the Injeel, context is king to understanding the message contained. Otherwise, you are merely reducing the book to a cherry picker's log that would not make sense. 🥱🥱