₦airaland Forum

MaxInDHouse:
Please make sense with these two posts of yours!🤣

You no sabi read? Jesus is only second to the father and no other. He is above all. Everything and everyone worship him except the father. Everything and everyone worship the father including the son.
The three verses are as clear as the day. But you ignorance of Bible interpretation and lack of objectivity will still not understand.

immaculatesense:
But it's God himself that now announce that everything in heaven and on earth excluding the Father should worship him (Jesus).

This is hilarious!😂

immaculatesense:
Everything and everyone worship him except the father.

Wait a minute!

Now i understand you better. The first father who must join in worshiping Jesus is capital letter while the one who should not worship Jesus is small letter!😃

Guy, nobody will flog you for admitting that you typed rubbish nah!🤣

tctrills:
8

What does it mean to be Almighty? If you know the meaning of the word, you would have answered your own question

Is a mighty God and an Almighty God equal?

Truthseeker10:
Is a mighty God and an Almighty God equal?

Sir, you have not answered my question. What is your definition of Almighty? Answer this so we can understand eachother moving forward.

Now, to the question you asked here. An Almighty God is definitely a mighty God, but a mighty God may not be an Almighty God. We both agree that Jesus Christ is a mighty God, that is clearly revealed, but is He also an almighty God? Thats why we need to define the meaning of the word Almighty so that we can be sure we are both talking about the same thing.

So please define, and then we will discuss. Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
This is hilarious!😂



Wait a minute!

Now i understand you better. The first father who must join in worshiping Jesus is capital letter while the one who should not worship Jesus is small letter!😃

Guy, nobody will flog you for admitting that you typed rubbish nah!🤣

Ignorance at its peak.
Does the Greek language has capital letter?
Do you know that Elohim (plural) used to refer to angels in Hebrews mean gods. Do you know that God in Hebrew is a plural form?
You need a lot of lessons on Bible interpretation. You really need it.

tctrills:
Sir, you have not answered my question. What is your definition of Almighty? Answer this so we can understand eachother moving forward.

Now, to the question you asked here. An Almighty God is definitely a mighty God, but a mighty God may not be an Almighty God. We both agree that Jesus Christ is a mighty God, that is clearly revealed, but is He also an almighty God? Thats why we need to define the meaning of the word Almighty so that we can be sure we are both talking about the same thing.

So please define, and then we will discuss. Thanks.

I posted a screenshot that clearly define an Almighty God. Don't you agree with the screenshot?

Truthseeker10:
I posted a screenshot that clearly define an Almighty God. Don't you agree with the screenshot?

I did not see it, but let me help you using the dictionary.
Almighty means having complete power; omnipotent.
Do you agree with this definition? If no, tell us why.

tctrills:
I did not see it, but let me help you using the dictionary.
Almighty means having complete power; omnipotent.
Do you agree with this definition? If no, tell us why.

yes I do....so Jesus has complete power and he is not the "leader of the Godhead" according to you?

Truthseeker10:
Is a mighty God and an Almighty God equal?

Sorry, I am just noticing the screenshot, and I completely agree with this. So the question now is, according to the bible, does Jesus Christ have all power?

tctrills:
Sorry, I am just noticing the screenshot, and I completely agree with this. So the question now is, according to the bible, does Jesus Christ have all power?

If Jesus has complete power, How come he is not the "leader of the Godhead" according to you?

Truthseeker10:
yes I do....so Jesus has complete power and he is not the "leader of the Godhead" according to you?

Let it not be according to me, let it be according to your bible.
Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
I advise you not to argue with the bible but rather, you accept its teachings

tctrills:
Let it not be according to me, let it be according to your bible.
Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
I advise you not to argue with the bible but rather, you accept its teachings

Explain John 14:28.....if Jesus has complete power according to the verse above, How come the father is greater than him?

If Jesus has complete power according to the verse you quoted above, why is he not the "leader of the Godhead" according to you?

Truthseeker10:
Explain John 14:28.....if Jesus has complete power according to the verse above, How come the father is greater than him?

If Jesus has complete power according to the verse you quoted above, why is he not the "leader of the Godhead" according to you?

I will but before i do, I need to know if we are on the same page. Do you believe the verse I presented from Matthew?

Again, I honestly don't know, did the bible ever talk a leader of the Godhead? Please point me to the verse

tctrills:
I will but before i do, I need to know if we are on the same page. Do you believe the verse I presented from Matthew?

I never denied the verse. Kindly answer the questions below relating to that verse.

Explain John 14:28.....if Jesus has complete power according to the verse above, How come the father is greater than him?

If Jesus has complete power according to the verse you quoted above, why is he not the "leader of the Godhead" according to you?

quote Again, I honestly don't know, did the bible ever talk a leader of the Godhead? Please point me to the verse

Are you denying that you did not claim that the Father is the "leader of the Godhead" and that neither Jesus nor the holy spirit are "leaders of the Godhead"?

Truthseeker10:
I never denied the verse. Kindly answer the questions below relating to that verse.

Explain John 14:28.....if Jesus has complete power according to the verse above, How come the father is greater than him?

If Jesus has complete power according to the verse you quoted above, why is he not the "leader of the Godhead" according to you?


Are you denying that you did not claim that the Father is the "leader of the Godhead" and that neither Jesus or the holy spirit are "leaders of the Godhead"?

Its not about my claims, its about what the scriptures teach. If I made such a claim and it is not based on revelation then sorry, I was wrong.

Now to your question, at the time Jesus Christ made the statement in John 14:28, He was not having all power. It was only after His resurrection that He declared He has all power.
Do you understand it now?

tctrills:
Its not about my claims, its about what the scriptures teach. If I made such a claim and it is not based on revelation then sorry, I was wrong.

na wa oo....after arguing tooth and nail that your revelation was correct? How do I even trust your other teachings of your Trinity doctrine now?

Now to your question, at the time Jesus Christ made the statement in John 14:28, He was not having all power. It was only after His resurrection that He declared He has all power.
Do you understand it now?

1)So if Jesus was not having all power before he died, explain John 13:3 below.

King James Bible
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

2)Are you saying that Jesus was not always an Almighty God? Is that what the Trinity doctrine teaches?

Truthseeker10:
na wa oo....after arguing tooth and nail that your revelation was correct? How do I even trust your other teachings of your Trinity doctrine now?


1)So if Jesus was not having all power before he died, explain John 13:3 below.

King James Bible
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

2)Are you saying that Jesus was not always an Almighty God? Is that what the Trinity doctrine teaches?

If you asking wether I am capable of being wrong in a discussion, the answer is yes.
To your next question, l actually don't have an explanation in the context you are asking for but the Saviour's words in revelations should give you clarity.

Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

So its clear that it was only after He overcame that He was granted all authority.
Are you getting it.

To your last question, the Trinity is not mentioned in the scriptures so I see no reason to defend what I don't know

Will the father join in worshiping Jesus?🤣

immaculatesense:
Ignorance at its peak.
Does the Greek language has capital letter?
Do you know that Elohim (plural) used to refer to angels in Hebrews mean gods. Do you know that God in Hebrew is a plural form?
You need a lot of lessons on Bible interpretation. You really need it.

The word OBEISANCE and WORSHIP are two different things.

Obeisance means taking instructions from someone so it has to do with the readiness to obey such a person.

Worship means rendering sacred service to someone.

But if you don't agree it's OK go and worship with your folks!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Will the father join in worshiping Jesus?🤣


The word OBEISANCE and WORSHIP are two different things.

Obeisance means taking instructions from someone so it has to do with the readiness to obey such a person.

Worship means rendering sacred service to someone.

But if you don't agree it's OK go and worship with your folks!🙂

Another Ignorance.
Quote from your own JW Bible where worship was used for God and Obeisance was used for Jesus. After you have done that from the two passages, show us the Greek word for Worship and then for Obeisance make we check.
You really need to check yourself and what you believe.
I AM WAITING FOR YOUR:
1. QUOTED PASSAGES
2. GREEK TRANSLATIONS

I BET YOU CAN'T FIND THE SECOND ONE IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. OYA KEEP FINDING.

immaculatesense:
show us the Greek word for Worship and then for Obeisance make we check.

Since you have your own people and we have our own people it's better to be on your lane while we remain on our lane! Matthew 7:12-13

tctrills:
If you asking wether I am capable of being wrong in a discussion, the answer is yes.
To your next question, l actually don't have an explanation in the context you are asking for but the Saviour's words in revelations should give you clarity.

Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

So its clear that it was only after He overcame that He was granted all authority.
Are you getting it.

To your last question, the Trinity is not mentioned in the scriptures so I see no reason to defend what I don't know

1)Lol...look at this man.....so you're saying that you can be wrong now after arguing that you were right? OK oo.

2)Are you saying that you cannot explain John 13:3?
King James Bible
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?

3)Are you admitting that the Trinity doctrine is not in the bible?
Are you also saying that Jesus was not always an Almighty God?

MaxInDHouse:
Since you have your own people and we have our own people it's better to be on your lane while we remain on our lane! Matthew 7:12-13

You no get original Greek evidence to back your Obeisance and Worship?
Why you come dey explain tire since?

immaculatesense:
You no get original Greek evidence to back your Obeisance and Worship?
Why you come dey explain tire since?

You've not still provided the answer to the question in the screenshot below.

My

Truthseeker10:
1)Lol...look at this man.....so you're saying that you can be wrong now after arguing that you were right? OK oo.

2)Are you saying that you cannot explain John 13:3?
King James Bible
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?

3)Are you admitting that the Trinity doctrine is not in the bible?
Are you also saying that Jesus was not always an Almighty God?

First, I don't know the Trinity doctrine, I only know what is revealed.
Was Jesus Christ always almighty? No, baby Jesus needed the protection of Joseph so clearly, the little baby was not almighty.

Before we resolve your other concerns, lets make sure we are on the same page.

Do we both agree that He has all power and authority?
Do we both agree that He is almighty?
The only challenge is when He became almighty right?

immaculatesense:
You no get original Greek evidence to back your Obeisance and Worship?
Why you come dey explain tire since?

Continue with your fellow worshipers Joo!🤣

tctrills:
My
First, I don't know the Trinity doctrine, I only know what is revealed.
Was Jesus Christ always almighty? No, baby Jesus needed the protection of Joseph so clearly, the little baby was not almighty.

Before we resolve your other concerns, lets make sure we are on the same page.

Do we both agree that He has all power and authority?
Do we both agree that He is almighty?
The only challenge is when He became almighty right?

1)Since you don't know trinity doctrine, look at the screenshot below. Do you agree with the concept there?

2)You claimed that Jesus became the Almighty God after he died, kindly explain John 13:3.

King James Bible
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?

Truthseeker10:
You've not still provided the answer to the question in the screenshot below.

How many answers do you want provided? If you need a course on Bible interpretation then enroll in one.
Jesus was teaching his disciples, in the presence of the crowd whom he was addressing, that they should not behave like the Pharisees by attributing to THEMSELVES and to OTHER attributes that will make them full proud and larger than life.
Jesus did not oppose the names: Rabbi (Master), Father, not Teacher. He was only telling them that when people attribute such names to them, they should give honor back to God who is the father of all and His Christ (Messiah) who is the Master/Teacher of all.

Or is it a sin to be called teacher or master?

Back to worship.
It is worthy for the Lamb (Christ) to be worshipped by men and heavenly hosts as he is greater than them. It is also expedient for the Lamb to worship and acknowledge the father always as the ruler of all.
SERVANTS SHOULD HONOR THEIR MASTER AND THE MASTER TOGETHER WITH HIS SERVANTS SHOULD HONOR THE MASTER'S MASTER.

Truthseeker10:
1)Since you don't know trinity doctrine, look at the screenshot below. Do you agree with the concept there?

2)You claimed that Jesus became the Almighty God after he died, kindly explain John 13:3.

King James Bible
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?

Thls is a repeat of your last write-up. I told you that I will address your concerns but i asked you a few questions to make sure we are on the same page.
Let me ask again.

Do we both agree that He has all power and authority?
Do we both agree that He is almighty?
The only challenge is when He became almighty right?

MaxInDHouse:
Continue with your fellow worshipers Joo!🤣

I worship Jesus because the father has put me under him and he is above me.
I commit any crime to obey the father's instruction?

No Be Juju Be Dat?

We worship the only true God Jehovah {John 17:3} and Jesus is our high priest {Hebrews 9:11} leading pure worship so all of us with Jesus are fellow worshipers of the same father and God! John 20:17

So as our high priest whatever Jesus say regarding pure worship everyone including all the angels in heaven must Obey him! Hebrews 1:6

immaculatesense:
I worship Jesus because the father has put me under him and he is above me.
I commit any crime to obey the father's instruction?
No Be Juju Be Dat?

tctrills:
Thls is a repeat of your last write-up. I told you that I will address your concerns but i asked you a few questions to make sure we are on the same page.
Let me ask again.

Do we both agree that He has all power and authority?
Do we both agree that He is almighty?
The only challenge is when He became almighty right?

My answer to your questions depends on your answer to mine. How can I agree with you when I am contradictory verses to your teachings. You have even swallowed up one of your teaching and called it a mistaken revelation.

So kindly answer the questions below.

1)Since you don't know trinity doctrine, look at the screenshot below. Do you agree with the concept there?

2)You claimed that Jesus became the Almighty God after he died, kindly explain John 13:3.

King James Bible
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?

MaxInDHouse:
We worship the only true God Jehovah {John 17:3} and Jesus is our high priest {Hebrews 9:11} leading pure worship so all of us with Jesus are fellow worshipers of the same father and God! John 20:17

So as our high priest whatever Jesus say regarding pure worship everyone including all the angels in heaven must Obey him! Hebrews 1:6

As my God, whatever the father asks me to do for anyone I will do. He asked that the land sitting on the throne should be worshipped and I shall OBEY.
If you like disobey the Father, na your wahala be that.
Revelation 5:13-14
[13]And then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea. They sang:
“Blessing and honor and glory and power
    belong to the one sitting on the throne
    and to the Lamb forever and ever.”
[14]And the four living beings said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped the Lamb.