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[quote author=Truthseeker10 post=138092795]My answer to your questions depends on your answer to mine. How can I agree with you when I am contradictory verses to your teachings. You have even swallowed up one of your teaching and called it a mistaken revelation.

So kindly answer the questions below.

1)Since you don't know trinity doctrine, look at the screenshot below. Do you agree with the concept there?

2)You claimed that Jesus became the Almighty God after he died, kindly explain John 13:3.

King James Bible
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?[/quote
Oga, this is a discussion not an interview. I have been answering your questions so i am entitled to feedback.

If your answer depends on mine that shows dishonesty and unseriousness

immaculatesense:
How many answers do you want provided? If you need a course on Bible interpretation then enroll in one.
Jesus was teaching his disciples, in the presence of the crowd whom he was addressing, that they should not behave like the Pharisees by attributing to THEMSELVES and to OTHER attributes that will make them full proud and larger than life.
Jesus did not oppose the names: Rabbi (Master), Father, not Teacher. He was only telling them that when people attribute such names to them, they should give honor back to God who is the father of all and His Christ (Messiah) who is the Master/Teacher of all.

Or is it a sin to be called teacher or master?

Back to worship.
It is worthy for the Lamb (Christ) to be worshipped by men and heavenly hosts as he is greater than them. It is also expedient for the Lamb to worship and acknowledge the father always as the ruler of all.
SERVANTS SHOULD HONOR THEIR MASTER AND THE MASTER TOGETHER WITH HIS SERVANTS SHOULD HONOR THE MASTER'S MASTER.

1)Lol...you are a very funny man.
You clearly stated as evident in the screenshot below that English interpretation of greek words is inconsequential.

If Jesus used greek word to tell you not to call your dad at home "father", why are you now calling your dad "father"?

Is there a seperate greek word for human "father" and a seperate greek word for "father" as referring to the Almighty God?

2) You claimed to worship your parents in the screenshot that I shared in the previous post. Is there a seperate greek word for "worship" when referring to parents and a seperate greek word for "worship" when referring to the Almighty God? Why are you now trying to twist the greek word for "worship" to fit your parent?

Below is Matthew 18:36

King James Bible
The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

New King James Version
The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’

Why is the new king James version avoiding the use of "worship" in the above verse. Is it not trying to twist the greek word for "Worship"?

Why are you also saying that servants should honor their masters, are you not bold enough to claim that servants should "worship" their masters?

tctrills:
Oga, this is a discussion not an interview. I have been answering your questions so i am entitled to feedback.

If your answer depends on mine that shows dishonesty and unseriousness

Lol...look at this man oo.....are you no longer our teacher here or has your revelations stopped? My questions are related to your teachings here. How can I agree with you when you've not clarified matters.

So kindly answer the questions below.

1)Since you don't know trinity doctrine, look at the screenshot below. Do you agree with the concept there?

2)You claimed that Jesus became the Almighty God after he died, kindly explain John 13:3.

King James Bible
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?

Truthseeker10:
Lol...look at this man oo.....are you no longer our teacher here or has your revelations stopped? My questions are related to your teachings here. How can I agree with you when you've not clarified matters.

So kindly answer the questions below.

1)Since you don't know trinity doctrine, look at the screenshot below. Do you agree with the concept there?

2)You claimed that Jesus became the Almighty God after he died, kindly explain John 13:3.

King James Bible
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?

Stop the games. I will keep teaching you but do the needful or stop wasting y time. Your choice

tctrills:
Stop the games. I will keep teaching you but do the needful or stop wasting y time. Your choice

Oga answer my questions and let's continue the discussion....if I agreed with your teachings, you would have known by now. You claim your teachings are from the Bible. Are my questions not also from the Bible?

So kindly answer the questions below.

1)Since you don't know trinity doctrine, look at the screenshot below. Do you agree with the concept there?

2)You claimed that Jesus became the Almighty God after he died, kindly explain John 13:3.

King James Bible
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?

Truthseeker10:
Oga answer my questions and let's continue the discussion....if I agreed with your teachings, you would have known by now. You claim your teachings are from the Bible. Are my questions not also from the Bible?

So kindly answer the questions below.

1)Since you don't know trinity doctrine, look at the screenshot below. Do you agree with the concept there?

2)You claimed that Jesus became the Almighty God after he died, kindly explain John 13:3.

King James Bible
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?

If you agree to make me your teacher then I expect you to answer. But if the question makes you uncomfortable, no problem, good night

tctrills:
If you agree to make me your teacher then I expect you to answer. But if the question makes you uncomfortable, no problem, good night

Lol...look at this man oo....your questions makes me uncomfortable but my own makes you comfortable? So why have you not answered them na?

After my questions have exposed your false teachings, this is what you resort to?

Was that not how you claimed that one of your revelation was a mistake after arguing that it was correct? Baba go and sleep.

Truthseeker10:
Lol...look at this man oo....your questions makes me uncomfortable but my own makes you comfortable? So why have you not answered them na?

After my questions have exposed your false teachings, this is what you resort to?

Was that not how you claimed that one of your revelation was a mistake after arguing that it was correct? Baba go and sleep.

What have your questions exposed. I am sure you can't even explain what you think you exposed. Did you expose that Jesus Christ does not have all power? Even you don't know what you exposed

tctrills:
What have your questions exposed. I am sure you can't even explain what you think you exposed. Did you expose that Jesus Christ does not have all power? Even you don't know what you exposed

Funny man....he has all power in John 13:3 that makes him Almighty God, but the father Is greater than him in John 14:28. How does that make sense to you?

Truthseeker10:
Funny man....he has all power in John 13:3 that makes him Almighty God, but the father Is greater than him in John 14:28. How does that make sense to you?

So you are saying He doesn't Have all power as the scriptures say right?
And somehow this is how you exposed me?

tctrills:
So you are saying He doesn't Have all power as the scriptures say right?
And somehow this is how you exposed me?

Oga if he has all power which makes him the Almighty God, explain John 14:28.

You claimed he became almighty God after death.
Explain John 13:3

Truthseeker10:
Oga if he has all power which makes him the Almighty, explain John 14:28.

I promise I will, its not as hard as you think but I need to know if you believe when the scriptures tell you that He has all power. I am not asking for much nah

tctrills:
I promise I will, its not as hard as you think but I need to know if you believe when the scriptures tell you that He has all power. I am not asking for much nah

oga "all power" can be subjective. You are interpretating it to mean "Almighty God". If your interpretation is correct, explain John 14:28.

If your assertion that Jesus became Almighty after death, explain John 13:3. If you can't explain, let us go and sleep.

Truthseeker10:
oga "all power" can be subjective. You are interpretating it to mean "Almighty God". If your interpretation is correct, explain John 14:28.

If your assertion that Jesus became Almighty after death, explain John 13:3. If you can't explain, let us go and sleep.

You have just answered your question. You are 200% correct all powers can be subjective.
The all things mentioned in John 13.3 is clearly subjective. I am sure you agree.

Now if Christ had said, I have all power, that could be highly subjective but He completed the statement so we are not in doubt. All powers in heaven and earth. Now, it is no longer subjective as the John 13.3 verse.

Do you understand it now?

tctrills:
You have just answered your question. You are 200% correct all powers can be subjective.
The all things mentioned in John 13.3 is clearly subjective. I am sure you agree.

Now if Christ had said, I have all power, that could be highly subjective but He completed the statement so we are not in doubt. All powers in heaven and earth. Now, it is no longer subjective as the John 13.3 verse.

Do you understand it now?

Lol....so the John 13:3 did not include heaven and earth? Na wa oo.

Oya explain 1 Corinthians 15:28.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Please who is the one that subjected all things to Jesus? Is Jesus equal to that person or he is subjected to the person?


Below is a commentary screenshot from bible hub. Do you agree with it?

Truthseeker10:
Lol....so the John 13:3 did not include heaven and earth? Na wa oo.

Oya explain 1 Corinthians 15:28.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Please who is the one that subjected all things to Jesus? Is Jesus equal to that person or he is subjected to the person?


Below is a commentary screenshot from bible hub. Do you agree with it?

One verse at a time, do you agree that you have answered your own question?

Now, 1 Corinthians 15:28 has nothing to do with having all power or being all-mighty. Like every Good Son, the all-powerful Christ will remain humble and subject to His father. It doesn't mean His Father will take away His power.
Did I ever tell you that the Son will no longer be subject to the Father?

Let me give you an example, as a man, you are now a grown-up like your dad, you might even be stronger and richer than him, but if you are a good child, you will still be subject to him.

Have we resolved all your concerns?

tctrills:
One verse at a time, do you agree that you have answered your own question?

Now, 1 Corinthians 15:28 has nothing to do with having all power or being all-mighty. Like every Good Son, the all-powerful Christ will remain humble and subject to His father. It doesn't mean His Father will take away His power.
Did I ever tell you that the Son will no longer be subject to the Father?

Let me give you an example, as a man, you are now a grown-up like your dad, you might even be stronger and richer than him, but if you are a good child, you will still be subject to him.

Have we resolved all your concerns?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣baba good night abeg......An Almighty God is subject to another Almighty God. Bye bye....I'm done...na blocking remain for you...

Truthseeker10:
Lol....so the John 13:3 did not include heaven and earth? Na wa oo.

Oya explain 1 Corinthians 15:28.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Please who is the one that subjected all things to Jesus? Is Jesus equal to that person or he is subjected to the person?


Below is a commentary screenshot from bible hub. Do you agree with it?

So you are talking about 2 different things here, and both are 100% true. Does Jesus have all power? Yes He does. Is He subject to the Father? Yes He is. Please ask a clear question. Hope you are not forgetting the definition of Almighty. Almighty means having all power; it has nothing to do with being subject or not. Go back to your definition.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣baba good night abeg......An Almighty God is subject to another Almighty God. Bye bye....I'm done...na blocking remain for you...

I was waiting for you got you moment. You kept asking questions only to end here. Unlike you, I don't need one verse to be false for the other to be true. I believe both verses of the bible. I believe Jesus Christ is almighty and at the same time subject to the Father. You need the verse in Matthew 28 to be false for your belief to be true.

tctrills:
So you are talking about 2 different things here, and both are 100% true. Does Jesus have all power? Yes He does. Is He subject to the Father? Yes He is. Please ask a clear question. Hope you are not forgetting the definition of Almighty. Almighty means having all power; it has nothing to do with being subject or not. Go back to your definition.

Oga an Almighty God can never be subjective to another almighty God . So just rest.

tctrills:
I was waiting for you got you moment. You kept asking questions only to end here. Unlike you, I don't need one verse to be false for the other to be true. I believe both verses of the bible. I believe Jesus Christ is almighty and at the same time subject to the Father. You need the verse in Matthew 28 to be false for your belief to be true.

false logical reasoning. There is no where the bible teaches that Jesus is an Almighty God that is subject to Another Almighty God. Your interpretation is false and defies logic. Good night

Truthseeker10:
Oga an Almighty God can never be subjective to another almighty God . So just rest.

Your opinion, the bible says the opposite. When your kids are richer and stronger than you, will they still be subject to you or not?
The bible says He is almighty and still subject to the Father, why can't you believe the 2? Why should we believe you and not the Word of God?

tctrills:
Your opinion, the bible says the opposite. When your kids are richer and stronger than you, will they still be subject to you or not?
The bible says He is almighty and still subject to the Father, why can't you believe the 2? Why should we believe you and not the Word of God?

False analogy....was Jesus ever richer and stronger than the father?

Truthseeker10:
false logical reasoning. There is no where the bible teaches that Jesus is an Almighty God that is subject to Another Almighty God. Your interpretation is false and defies logic. Good night

You just read that He has all power, or is that verse not in your bible? And yes, even if you are almighty, you should subject yourself to your Father. Just believe the bible and you will be fine. Stop applying your limited human logic.

tctrills:
You just read that He has all power, or is that verse not in your bible? And yes, even if you are almighty, you should subject yourself to your Father. Just believe the bible and you will be fine. Stop applying your limited human logic.

oga it is clear....an "all power" that is Subjective to the father. Simple.

Truthseeker10:
False analogy....was Jesus ever richer and stronger than the father?

No, He was not. What is your point?

tctrills:
No, He was not. What is your point?

false logical reasoning.

Truthseeker10:
false logical reasoning.

Thats because you are using your limited human logic instead of accepting the word of God. Jesus Christ has all power, and He is subject to the Father. I believe the bible. You believe in your logic

tctrills:
Thats because you are using your limited human logic instead of accepting the word of God. Jesus Christ has all power, and He is subject to the Father. I believe the bible. You believe in your logic

Funny man...if you were not using your limited human logic, you would not have used a false analogy. Bring a perfect analogy or I block you now.

Truthseeker10:
Funny man...if you were not using your limited human logic, you would not have used a false analogy. Bring a perfect analogy or I block you now.

You don't need an analogy, just believe your bible and you will be fine. I remember when you were asking questions hoping to lay a trap. How is that going?

Truthseeker10:
1)Lol...you are a very funny man.
You clearly stated as evident in the screenshot below that English interpretation of greek words is inconsequential.

If Jesus used greek word to tell you not to call your dad at home "father", why are you now calling your dad "father"?

Is there a seperate greek word for human "father" and a seperate greek word for "father" as referring to the Almighty God?

2) You claimed to worship your parents in the screenshot that I shared in the previous post. Is there a seperate greek word for "worship" when referring to parents and a seperate greek word for "worship" when referring to the Almighty God? Why are you now trying to twist the greek word for "worship" to fit your parent?

Below is Matthew 18:36

King James Bible
The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

New King James Version
The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’

Why is the new king James version avoiding the use of "worship" in the above verse. Is it not trying to twist the greek word for "Worship"?

Why are you also saying that servants should honor their masters, are you not bold enough to claim that servants should "worship" their masters?

New King James trying to evade worship? Are you new to Bible history? Why was the New King James version written differently from the King James? Was it not to make it simpler for people to understand? Worship was broken down to mean falling down or bowing down.
When the Devil asked Jesus to fall down and worship him, was the devil not demanding worship from Jesus if he fell down to worship? Why didn't Jesus just bow down and say it is just bowing down and not worship. When you fall and bow down to anyone or image, it is worship. Such is meant for Elohim (Spirit beings (plural) with God's delegation) alone.

You still have not told us the Greek of Worship and Obeisance so we can check the difference.

Highlighted is where we differ because we are OBEDIENT to the lamb but as for worship it belongs only to the true God! John 17:3
That is what OBEISANCE to the lamb means to us!🙂

immaculatesense:
As my God, whatever the father asks me to do for anyone I will do. He asked that the land sitting on the throne should be worshipped and I shall OBEY.
If you like disobey the Father, na your wahala be that.
Revelation 5:13-14
[13]And then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea. They sang:
“Blessing and honor and glory and power
    belong to the one sitting on the throne
    and to the Lamb forever and ever.”
[14]And the four living beings said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped the Lamb.