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Qasim6:
What I don't understand about you Trinitarians is why do you guys exclude Moses and the Judges God called Elohim not Eloah o from your Gods? At least you can keep adding to infinity and still claim you are monotheist.

pls understand how the word Elohim is used in bible context. same with Son of God.
Even men are called Elohim.
what we talking about here is the divine name of God. El Shaddai- Almighty God. His own PERSONAL NAME- YHWH, Lord- ADNONAI
GOD SHARES HIS GLORY WITH NO ONE. SO WE SHOULD ASK QUESTION WHEN OTHER PERSONS IN THE BIBLE LIKE ANGEL OF THE LORD IS CALLED YHWH OR GOD ALMIGHTY.
I cant be choosing what aligns with my preferred belief in the bible, u can do that because u are a muslim and the bible is not a scipture to u. I cant do that as a chrsitian.

Qasim6:
All the created beings called God in any way, shape or form are representative of God they do not share in his divinity in any way.

SO ARE U SAYING GOD'S NAME IS NOT DIVINE? IS ALLAH'S NAME DIVINE?
SO ALLAH CAN SHARE HIS NAME WITH OTHER PERSONS??
because THE SCRIPTURE CLEARLY SHOWED GOD SHARED HIS DIVINE NAME WITH OTHER PERSONS.

Qasim6:
And I also see you like to throw around verses that say the angel of the lord and Jesus were worshipped, No bro they were not. If you do your homework diligently you will know the words that are erroneously translated as worship for both angel of the lord in the old testament and Jesus in the new testament are multivalent words that does not necessarily mean worship. The word proskuneo that is always translated as worshipped for Jesus just literally means "to bow down" or "to do obeisance", they will translate the word as worship for Jesus but when the word show up for someone else in Mat 18:26 they know not to translate it as worshipped. The word Latreuo that truly means worship is used exclusively for God and never for Jesus in the NT.

Latreuo was used for Jesus in the book of revelations.

Rev 22.3
3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will worship {latreuo} him.


This verse alone is a powerful evidence of shared essence of the Father and the Son in the bible.
Father and Son linked to just one throne
singular verb used in the sentence for both father and son.

Qasim6:
In judges 13:16 we can see the angel deflecting sacrifice to God indicating he is a subordinate messanger

In Zachariah 1:12 we see the angel praying to God showing he is subordinate to God Almighty.

This shows u dont understand trinity, essence is the same within the Godhead not the hypostasis. same being, same nature but different persons.
Most muslims don't understand trinity anyway, they believe the concept mean 3 beings.
Man and woman has the same nature as human being. the dna of a man is the same as that of a woman. But the persons and role is different.

Qasim6:
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT TO WORSHIP A BEING THAT IS SUBORDINATE TO ANOTHER??

another what? another being or another person? another existence or another personification of the same existence?
pls be clear.

Qasim6:
Whatever attributes you think they have that automatically make them to be of the same essence with God almighty in your mind is just an authority given to them.

authority that makes them share the glory of God when Almighty God says my glory I share with no one.
common man, just say the bible is corrupt, better than all this whataboutism.
[quote author=Qasim6 post=137960687]In as much as verses like this still exist, trinity o, 2 powers in heaven o, will always be false man made doctrines.

Isaiah 43:10: "Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me."
​Isaiah 44:6: "I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god."
​Isaiah 44:24: "I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself."

THE FATHER DECLARES, THE WORD REVEALS THAT WHICH HAS BEEN DECLARED AND THE SPIRIT MANIFEST THE DECLARATION.
so I dont understand how these verses u quoted contradict trinity
I repeat, u have no clue about trinity. it's so obvious u think trinity is 3 beings.

u see I dont have a problem if u guys dont understand trinity, its not your theology. its not even that significant in christianity. belief in trinity is not required to enter heaven. u can be ignorant of trinity and still make heaven.
But I have a problem when u muslims argue what u people don't understand, it's annoying.

I personally believe the main argument btw muslims and christians should be 'why is Jesus The Messiah?' This is more important than trinity. The underlying theology behind Jesus as the Messiah is what set christianity apart from other faith system.

Qasim6:
And for the Targum, If you want to base your understanding of the Torah on how the Torah was understood during the HELLENISTIC PERIOD, a time when there was drought of Prophets, then be my guest. because that seem to me like just looking for validation at all cost. WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING.

I dont need targum to validate my belief. the bible is sufficient. But we bring it to show u that our core theology is not made up. Its not something Paul conjured in his room or hallucinated into existence. the gospel writers were not fabricating theologies. the targum is a proof of that.
When John was writing the 1st chapter of his gospel, he had this in mind from the targum.....

Tagum neofiti.
Genesis
1 From the beginning with wisdom the Memra of the Lord created and perfected the heavens and the earth. 2 And the earth was waste and unformed, desolate of man and beast, empty of plant cultivation and of trees, and darkness was spread over the face of the abyss; and a spirit of mercy from before the Lord was blowing over the surface of the waters. 3 And the Memra of the Lord said: “Let there be light” and there was light according to the decree of his Memra. 4 And it was manifest before the Lord that the light was good; and the Memra of the Lord separated the light from the darkness. 5 And the Memra of the Lord called the light daytime and the darkness he called night. And there was evening and there was morning: (in) the order of the work of creation, first day.

He wasn't copying from some Roman-hellenistic pagan nonsense u guys always claim. He was deriving his theology from what was already established in the jewish scriptures. When John said the word created heaven and earth, he was merely repeating what was already known within judiasm, and then It was then revealed to him that the Jesus Christ is the incarnate memra

John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made....
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.


and FYI, the targum was compiled by Ezra and the 120 men of the great assemblies when they also compiled the Torah. This was during the persian period. targum has no link with any hellenistic age.

Nehemiah 8
7 The Levites—Jeshua, Bani, Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodiah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, and Pelaiah—then instructed the people in the Law while everyone remained in their places. 8 They read from the Book of the Law of God and translated clearly [in aramaic] and explained the meaning of what was being read [midrash], helping the people understand each passage.

Targum is the aramaic translation of the hebrew bible with exegesis inclusion called midrash in hebrew. It was necessary because the post exilic jews had lost their native hebrew tongue, majority could only speak aramaic.

And there were prophets in the Land when targum was compiled- Zechariah, Haggai, Malachi.

AntiisIam:
We Christians are followers of Christ, we are named after him and not after Apostle Paul sogbo Omi eran

Pagan 😀

How can you be a follower of Jesus while Jesus himself worship God and you personally follow Paul to worship Jesus ? 🤣

You dance skelebe every Sunday in church nah , Jesus never did .


You practice Christianity and Jesus never preached Christianity. 🤣

You are follower of Paul and enemy of Jesus for sure !

You don cast . Lobatan

AntiisIam:
Sule, oya shey make I show you person wey created your allah?

Kininwi 🤣

Your god is created by my God ; Allah . Gbam !

AntiisIam:
Sule sebi na AI be dis one too abi bawo

Even you self know you are posting lies .

See your people !

Agbako 😀

doffman:
Even you self know you are posting lies .

See your people !

Agbako 😀

Sule ijaya Omi eran of Libya, dem quickly give you break time today sha

IslamVIRGINS:
You that I hold his repeatition button is accusing me of repeatition

😀 as long you do not repeat that question, no hassle, instead, you will be reading Quran here daily . No peace for that evil Pauline spirit in you .

Oya :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7SHTGUuDbw?si=g9d0Tgq1Sgzj4if1

doffman:
Even you self know you are posting lies .

See your people !

Agbako 😀

Ara Libya

IslamVIRGINS:
Agbakoo, can you repeat pls

😀😀 no rest for the evil Pauline spirit in you seh .

Oya listen :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCFLx7kuiWk?si=gM5QWjSOKmnp5TNy

doffman:
Kininwi 🤣

Your god is created by my God ; Allah . Gbam !

Sule, shey allah tell you say he be true God?

Remember what he said in quran that There is no God but allah

doffman:
Kininwi 🤣

Your god is created by my God ; Allah . Gbam !

Don't start wetin you won't finish again ooo

IslamVIRGINS:
You are in Libya but shifting it on someone that caught you red-handed!

😀😀😀 tell us your location first and I will shock you where I stay .

No be cho cho

IslamVIRGINS:
Boy, come again!

Preaching ….

Quran 39: 37

And whoever Allah guides, none can lead astray. Is Allah not Almighty, capable of punishment?


Lobatan 👌


Are you ready to repent ?

doffman:
Preaching ….

Quran 39: 37

And whoever Allah guides, none can lead astray. Is Allah not Almighty, capable of punishment?


Lobatan 👌


Are you ready to repent ?

You are really doing fine, can you repeat pls?

doffman:
😀😀😀 tell us your location first and I will shock you where I stay .

No be cho cho

How is Libya this morning or what's the time there?

IslamVIRGINS:
Will you repeat this as usual?

So you are tire of repeating that question . Nice one .

Learn about Jesus in the Quran live and direct .

Oya start listening :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCsC9_sZCG8?si=qhu2PBHqnXAwq_60

doffman:
😀😀 no rest for the evil Pauline spirit in you seh .

Oya listen :

https://youtu.be/vCFLx7kui

Can you come again?

doffman:
😀 as long you do not repeat that question, no hassle, instead, you will be reading Quran here daily . No peace for that evil Pauline spirit in you .

Oya :

https://youtu.be/w7SHTGUuDb

This is getting more interesting, repeat please!

doffman:
So you are tire of repeating that question . Nice one .

Learn about Jesus in the Quran live and direct .

Oya start listening :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCsC9_sZCG0

This is what I want you to be doing, repeat again

IslamVIRGINS:
You are really doing fine, can you repeat pls?

🤣🤣 you mention repeat nah . Na me do you like that aahaaa


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yC6qGnrVxg?si=44IonOq_Hem6spdC

IslamVIRGINS:
This is getting more interesting, repeat please!

Lolz Quran na your medicine :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL-40pKUWpY?si=2RD1VgLEdWYF5R0H

IslamVIRGINS:
This is what I want you to be doing, repeat again

Sharing you daily Quran is what I enjoyed as long as I am onlline :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBIRGqaCo3Q?si=-Ig9y5k-gozlqLQ-

doffman:
Even you self know you are posting lies .

See your people !

Agbako 😀

Dẹpẹ, thank allah for giving you Anti-islam

dofman:
Sharing you daily Quran is what I enjoyed as long as I am onlline :

https://youtu.be/bBgozlqLQ-

You can increase the tempo!

dofman:
Lolz Quran na your medicine :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL-40pKUWpY?si

You must not be tired!

dofman:
🤣🤣 you mention repeat nah . Na me do you like that aahaaa

https://youtu.be/-yC6qGnr

Can you re-post?

doffman:
So you are tire of repeating that question . Nice one .

Learn about Jesus in the Quran live and direct .

Oya start listening :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCsC9_sZCG8?si=0

Come again boy?

AntiisIam:
Ara Libya

No doubt, everyone knows that Christianity nah agbako religion . Tuehhh

See your people in action . Gbam

When will you do your own bayii 😀

IslamVIRGINS:
You can increase the tempo!

😀 Oya take your medicine 💊 today :



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdHorc12-Ng?si=mc4ynFsWQ4clRpbv

IslamVIRGINS:
You must not be tired!

Tire to treat you out of evil Pauline spirit in you keh ; never ! 😎

Oya read :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DerApQ5Hrzg?si=0Zv7EthlxT4UjRwZ

IslamVIRGINS:
Can you re-post?

🤣Yea , you will need this to be okay :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwEW10dwxr4?si=gVZFsFLY6f47B92g

IslamVIRGINS:
Come again boy?

Preaching .

As you can never defend your religion , you need to Japa away from that religion asap before it will be too late for you .

In case you are ready , repeat after me :

[b]I bear witness that there is no other god except Allah and Muhammad is the last messenger of GOD


Lobatan and you will be out of evil Pauline religion ✌️
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One of your pastor has seen the light .