₦airaland Forum

adioolayi:
Your opinions are spot-on. Vaccines storage and handling can pose huge health risks if not properly done.
Especially as vaccines are not "drugs"..they are actually "partially killed" viruses, weakened for body to overcome them by itself to confer immunity. But when not stored properly, the "partially killed" can regain its full potentials, causing the real viral damage to the body when given.

We have a case like this in Nigeria...the Pfizer polio vaccine that caused polio in Northern part of Nigeria many years ago.

Where this particular incident is troubling is that, mass cases of babies death would have been reported around that locality where the health centre is, if the vaccine is the problem.

You get my point?

I applaud you, you know what you are saying.

nairalanda1:
So, why didn't any of the other children that were vaccinated by the nurse with the same vaccine die too?

this is a technical question that needs a technical answer. Mode of administration, the condition of the vaccine that was used, the reaction of the medication that was not properly handled. To mention a few, any of those could be the cause of the death. Note, I did not say any of those was responsible, all I said was any of those could be responsible.

merrymike47:
this is a technical question that needs a technical answer. Mode of administration, the condition of the vaccine that was used, the reaction of the medication that was not properly handled. To mention a few, any of those could be the cause of the death. Note, I did not say any of those was responsible, all I said was any of those could be responsible.

The nurse would have given them the same mode of administration for other kids.

At this point, the logical conclusion, until an autopsy is done, is an allergic reaction, which is due to the fact that some people's genes can cause their immune system to have an idiosyncratic reaction to certain drugs. Research is getting close to being able to identify potential for such reaction before it happens.

How?
You care to explain.

But you were vaccinated too. Why didn't you die!

RaptorX:
Vaccines are poison, how many times we go tell you people.

What is PCM and what is its function pls?
What do you mean by high handed?

If you can too pls, what is the difference between immunization and vaccination?
Thank you.

Godfullsam:
Don't be too emotional about the situation. Do you know how many children get immunisation from the PHC?
if the PHC was responsible for the death of the children, very may children would have been kill by the vaccine.

It could be that the very nurse that administered the vaccine on the kids was too high handed or incompetent or the PCM given to the children after the vaccine was adulterated or expired.

So immunization is for who plz?

tollyboy5:
Immunization should not be on babies please.

babies in the village survive without it

DelilahMakinde:
Look here, who are you trying to blame ?
The nurse that has given 100,000 immunization prior or the manufacturer of the vaccine or the fact that no investigation was made ?

Lol
In the case I know, the medical attendants were at fault. They gave a wrong vaccination. The child died hours after in the arms of his mother.

Break this grammar for us. What's the meaning?

jaephoenix:
My only diagnosis is that they developed anaphylaxis to excipients of the vaccine.

PlasmaTV:
Lol
In the case I know, the medical attendants were at fault. They gave a wrong vaccination. The child died hours after in the arms of his mother.

Hmmm...I see.
That was really unfortunate

Sometimes, I see those health workers with aprons, going from houses, schools and churches for immunisations. I never allowed them to administer the vaccines on my kids as I didn't know the state of the vaccines and how they have been preserved. Go to some primary health care centres, they look like abandoned pig farms with dilapidated facilities and outdated storage facilities. It's not just about Lagos, it is nationwide.

PlasmaTV:
This is absolutely pathetic.

Unfortunately, I know someone who suffered this same cause. Exactly! Child died after immunization.

Case was muddled up eventually.

This happened 2 years ago.

Why are we this way in Nigeria?

I will never immunize my kids. The idea of immunization is rubbish. No child's need it and the cause of several sickness in children till adult hood was due to immunization.

DelilahMakinde:
Hmmm...I see.
That was really unfortunate

Unfortunately, nobody was fired or punished. It was a very pathetic case. More painful is that the couple waited for years before the child came.

ogascomax:
I will never immunize my kids. The idea of immunization is rubbish. No child's need it and the cause of several sickness in children till adult hood was due to immunization.

Hmmmm
Immunization is very important o. We must just be cautious and watchful. Double check, triple check everything they want to give you.

RaptorX:
Vaccines are poison, how many times we go tell you people.

Vaccines are poison indeed. Until you need one to survive. Na so una go just dey talk out of ignorance

We play too much in this part of the world, even if it food poisoning, let then take decisive action first to know the cause of their death, we are not talking about one child but two, that's too much on the man and wife present...

They should do investigation

Love800:
So immunization is for who plz?

Leave them this ignorant folks ooooooo
Imagine
Vaccines are not for babies
Just imagine, the level of ignorance

Lol.

I appreciate.

gigabyte13:
Leave them this ignorant folks ooooooo
Imagine
Vaccines are not for babies
Just imagine, the level of ignorance

HeadNigga:
Sad indeed. This era of fake and counterfeit drugs in Naija


Dora Akunyili was the best we ever had

Akunyili did worst

Akunyili was in NAFDAC for only 5yrs
So those years she wasn't there did Nigeria was dead. Before Akunyili came this rampant slump and die was very rare. But she introduced her fictional drugs or concoction, slump and die become rampant

PlasmaTV:
Hmmmm
Immunization is very important o. We must just be cautious and watchful. Double check, triple check everything they want to give you.

That is what they have made us to believe and they lies they have lied to us.
Go and find out in families that some children are immunized and some that were not. It's good to note that those who were never immunized are the healthiest and hardly get sick children. Do you understand the science behind immunization?

Skyfornia:
At 9 months, are they supposed to receive injection or oral immunization?? I think they were still tender to receive injection for immunization.

Immunization even starts from birth, so what are you talking about? Hep B, polio vaccine et al. Looks like those babies reacted, identical babies with thesame gene mutation. This is why in the US parents have to sign consent before Immunization, but in Nigeria there's nothing like consent. That just beg for further studies to prevent future reoccurence.

Anaphylactic reactions to vaccines, although rare, typically occur immediately after administration, in minutes. In this case, the reaction occurred within 24 hours, which warrants further investigation. The parents should clearly describe the symptoms the children experienced prior to administering paracetamol. In addition, vaccines must be stored at temperatures between 2–8 °C, and this storage standard should be consistently maintained across all primary health centres (PHCs) in Lagos.

deanoffaculty:
TBH our healthcare system in Nigeria these days is nothing to write home about. I think Agbo and local herbs will eventually be a good option in this country. Hospitals/Clinics now are like death traps.
Patients will not die before going to hospital but immediately they get there....... they kpai! Hospitals now are like killing machines. Quackery, carelessness, "money-first" syndrome, lack of facilities, JAPA moves , F.G. inconsistency on workers welfare,etc .....all these are issues.

Good.when u have appendicitis, kindly stick to agbo and avoid hospitals

nairalanda1:
The commonest allergic reaction to vaccines is fever, which is what happened in this case, hence the nurse's advice to give them paracetamol. If the PCM was not working, they should have been taken to a hospital immediately.

And yes, doctors know how to treat vaccine reactions.

Using herbs doesn't work for most people, otherwise all our hospitals would have been closed for lack of patronage.

Bro,I guess u r a doc. These folks here are just too crassly ignorannnt to interface,and the worse is they are confident about it. They will still come and argue with u and tell u agbo is the best thing after sliced bread

Procashtips:
How are you sure it was the same given to others that was given to the children?

This shows u don't even know how vaccines come about or is stored.
Vaccines are provided in batches and kept in cold chains. Once a packet is opened,it is used till it finishes.So the nurse wouldn't have gotten a vaccine from outside but only the one opened is used. Even if the vaccine is expired,it won't harm the baby,and it would not give immunity or cause any anaphylaxis

Jman06:
The question is; what actually did those kids receive in the name of vaccines? What quality assurance tests were carried out on those 'vaccines' to ascertain that they actually contained the desired molecules and not some poisonous substances?

People don't know that even improper storage and handling of a drug/vaccines can change it from the desired molecules to a poison! What we see in Nigeria most times is a situation where hospitals don't employ the right professionals but think they can employ just anybody to handle things that were meant to be done by professionals. This leads to cases like what we have in this report.

It is possible the batch of vaccines administered to the twins had been contaminated or expired. They might also have undergone major changes due to poor storage to some toxic products. Those are the possible scenarios that might have resulted to this event.

I just hope the right investigation would be carried out to unearth what actually led to the deaths of the twins

Expired vaccines won't give dangerous reactions. The amount of empty folks online is alarming

jaephoenix:
Expired vaccines won't give dangerous reactions. The amount of empty folks online is alarming

You're the one who is clearly displaying your emptiness for all discerning minds to see

adenigga:
Oh! you must be zombie........

omino unu

You mo na Lisa
God is watching you

Jman06:
You're the one who is clearly displaying your emptiness for all discerning minds to see

Oga,taking expired vaccines doesn't kill. U can do ur research. Don't argue with a doctor
I guys would just chest out and be dishing out opata and ewedu knowledge without a thought

ogascomax:
That is what they have made us to believe and they lies they have lied to us.
Go and find out in families that some children are immunized and some that were not. It's good to note that those who were never immunized are the healthiest and hardly get sick children. Do you understand the science behind immunization?

Well, you have a point. But also, mortality rate in infants used to be high before immunization came.

This conversation is a nuanced one.

PlasmaTV:
Well, you have a point. But also, mortality rate in infants used to be high before immunization came.

This conversation is a nuanced one.

The question we should ask ourselves what was truly behind the mortality rate. You think people that have plans to develop a vaccines will not cause the reason why the vaccine is needed?