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Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by lawani(m): 10:22am On Jan 17

Educationalserv:
we can only do ameachi , there will be no point . We have benin ,Ijaws urobos isheriki ,Yoruba .I rather have all this

What is Amaechi if not an Igbo man? Mind you, not everybody from the SE is Igbo.

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by franchasng: 10:24am On Jan 17

BlakKluKluxKlan:
Dr

Hear the preacher ranring and wailing in utter agony conveniently forgetting that the veils that men do live after them.
To start with, the OP is a northerner.
Stop deluding yourselves that northerners twill ever forget the heinous crimes committed by you in 1966. Even if we want to pretend to forget, the evil, vindictive, hateful and ethnic bigotry displayed by you since 2023 reminded everyone of your innate toxic nature.
Because you lost an election, you prefer to turn the country upside down out of sheer hatred for the winner and consequently transferred same to his.

Like it or not, history cannot be erased but well sustained for posterity.
Live with it.

To prove that you don't have sns, you first accused the op of being Igbo and I bursted your ignorance, instead of you to swallow your gbegiri pride and apologize for wrongly accusing Igbos like your people always do, you are now here claiming the op is a Northerner, is that not enough proof that u no get s?

It is well oh

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Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by BlakKluKluxKlan(m): 10:28am On Jan 17

franchasng:
To prove that you don't have sns, you first accused the op of being Igbo and I bursted your ignorance, instead of you to swallow your gbegiri pride and apologize for wrongly accusing Igbos like your people always do, you are now here claiming the op is a Northerner, is that not enough proof that u no get s?

It is well oh

Shove your rant and run along to run errands for mama.

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Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by AndroBlaze: 10:46am On Jan 17*

franchasng:
This is a recent publication by people who never participated in the events of that era that just want to write what they feel or believe happened and not really what happened based on facts I have given you and will still state below.

I asked you, if Ironsi truly abolished Regional system, can you tell me why he still went ahead to appoint Military Governors for all the four regions of Nigeria who oversaw the affairs of the four regions?

Can you also tell me why he didn't create states?

Have you ever read the full content of decree no 34 of Ironsi that history rewriters blamed as what abolished regional governments in Nigeria?

Decree 34 was mainly to unify civil service and abolish political parties which was normal for every military that seized power in any nation then and even now.

Use your critical thinking not what someone typed.

Did Ironsi abolish regional governments? Answer is NO because he still appointed regional Governors for each of the four regions of Nigeria which I already named for you.

Did Ironsi create states to replace regions with states? The answer is NO!

Did Gowon create states and replaced regions with states? Answer is YES!

Ironsi died in Ibadan as part of his official tour around the four regions of Nigeria. The man that abolished regional governments was officially touring the four regions as part of his national peace and reconciliation tour. Yet they claimed he abolished regional governments but he was arrested at the official residence of Western Region Governor Fajuyi in Ibadan, can't you see the lies and the contradictions?

Can't you see the simple analysis with proof or you prefer some written hogwash by some people who just want to write?

Your write-up suggests that you already understand the reality of the situation, but are choosing to be clever by half.

It really shouldn’t require a long response, because your replies make it fairly clear that you’re being deliberately crafty, but I’ll spell it out anyway.

Ironsi effectively became the de facto “king” of Nigeria — something the young nation had never experienced before, and something a particular section of the country had long been quietly advocating for “under the table”, as a supposed solution to the inefficiencies they blamed for Nigeria’s backwardness.

Prior to Ironsi’s seizure of power, Nigeria was governed through a delicate political agreement that required the cooperation of at least two of the three dominant regional parties — North & East, or North & (traitorous) West. Although Balewa was Prime Minister from day one, everyone understood that the real power lay with Ahmadu Bello, who controlled the party with the largest number of seats. Even so, Bello could never have dreamed of wielding the level of centralised authority that Ironsi later exercised over Nigeria.

You downplay the unification of the civil service as if it were a minor administrative matter. But who actually runs a country? Is it politicians and military leaders issuing directives, or the civil service — the machinery that implements policy on a day-to-day basis? That question has long been settled, and even the Bible makes the answer clear.

To give a more recent and concrete example: we all recently witnessed the richest man in Africa locked in open conflict with a public servant, battling him by every means necessary to keep his business afloat — despite the President openly supporting the refinery as a national solution to fuel scarcity, lower prices, and foreign exchange savings.

Did this public servant — like his predecessors before him — not understand that he was merely an appointee expected to carry out the will of his political superiors? And yet subsequent revelations showed that he was effectively operating independently, amassing wealth that only sitting governors could rival. One public servant.

In the less corrupt Nigeria of the 1960s, the reality of who controlled day-to-day governance was not fundamentally different.

Ahmadu Bello recognised this very early, which is why his often-quoted statement — that he would rather hire a foreign expatriate than an “Igbo” into the Northern public service — is so telling. This was at a time when Easterners were already making inroads across all three regions. That statement alone should tell you how consequential the unification of the civil service was, and why it alarmed the section of the country that was educationally and culturally disadvantaged, and unable to compete on merit. Ambition, after all, was never encouraged as part of the Northern identity prior to the creation of Nigeria.

Now to answer your question directly: the military governors Ironsi appointed over the new “provinces” were little more than security officers and desk administrators. They could not make policy in the way that previous premiers did. They did not control a civil service or revenue streams. Major decisions on education, health, and governance had to be referred back to the Supreme Military Council. Infrastructure wasn’t even theirs to debate.

In short, they were largely figureheads, something the premiers of the original regions were never as they were literally rulers. Anyway this model was replicated by most subsequent military governments — which also explains why corruption under military rule tends to be less dispersed. The military is, by nature, a unitary institution.

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Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by gidgiddy: 11:22am On Jan 17

PulaPower:
Ironsi killed regional government by unification decree of May 1966..

https://thesun.ng/impunity-killing-nigeria-phillip-asiodu/

Oh really? So tell us what the unification decree did?

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by gidgiddy: 11:25am On Jan 17

PulaPower:
Gibberish..

As if the north needs to read nairaland to remember how you guys greedily unalive there leader’s..

We’ll always talk about Nigeria history right from the creation. Your fore-fathers were super greedy and despite everything, they all labored in vain. None of them did anything tangible for the Ibos aside from stealing money..

Your fore-father carried out a coup and after the coup, they immediately destroyed our regionalism, with the believe that it will be sweet to control the whole country from the center. Unfortunately for them, life happened to them, the North grabbed power again and discovered it’s indeed sweet to be controlling Nigeria from the center... The rest is history..

It’s one of the reasons why I don’t usually blame the north for Nigeria’s problem. South created most of Naija problem, most especially, SE..

And yet if we say dissolve Nigeria let everyone go their way, you guys will be the first to pick up gun and fight civil war

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by T9ksy(m): 11:43am On Jan 17*

bigpicture001:
I dnt feel pity for them premier... He had it coming.. he allowed hate and tribalism to engulf him...

How can a national leader be so spiteful and hateful of another tribe...

Go and watch his BBC documentary on his hate for the igbo's..

Abeg op, park well jare

Omo, this your propaganda is stale o! Did ~~Tafawa balewa~~ nay Ahmadu Bello told you he's a national leader? He was a regional leader (just like Zik and Awo) though he controls the PM but everyone knows he was the Sardunna of the Sokoto caliphate - muslims adherents of northern Nigeria. At no time did he called himself a Nigerian leader nor aspire to be.

Moreover, the hate tag you igbos placed on him is quite insincere. He never claimed to care about southern Nigerians but for his people and if by looking out for the interest of his people makes him a tribalist then that's your problem, deal with it. You guys were hell-bent on dominating his people and in fact, the whole country and if by check-mating your hegemonic ambition in his region with his northernisation policy is termed tribalism, he cared not. One Nigeria was your dream, not his.

This is the same way you guys called Awo and by extension a whole nationality, tribalist, simply because according to you lot, he did not allow an igbo man to be in charge of the western region- yorubaland. None of you bother to ask , why does an igbo man wanted to rule over the yorubas especially one that has spent his whole political career until then, fighting, vilifying, denigrating and been downright obnoxious to the yoruba leaders and their interests?

I have watched that BBC interview many times and i can't find any hint of hate towards the igbos therein, rather all I saw was a leader who is genuinely looking out for the interests of the people he 's leading, in the new political hemisphere called Nigeria.

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Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by Christistruth00: 12:04pm On Jan 17

PulaPower:
Ironsi killed regional government by unification decree of May 1966..

https://thesun.ng/impunity-killing-nigeria-phillip-asiodu/

The United Kingdom that colonised Nigeria is still using the Regional System

That is why there is English Scottish Welsh and Northern Ireland Parliaments with their own different laws

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Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by bigpicture001: 12:12pm On Jan 17

T9ksy:
Omo, this your propaganda is stale o! Did Tafawa balewa told you he's a national leader? He was a regional leader (just like Zik and Awo) though he controls the PM but everyone knows he was the Sardunna of the Sokoto caliphate - muslims adherents of northern Nigeria. At no time did he called himself a Nigerian leader nor aspire to be.

Moreover, the hate tag you igbos placed on him is quite insincere. He never claimed to care about southern Nigerians but for his people and if by looking out for the interest of his people makes him a tribalist then that's your problem, deal with it. You guys were hell-bent on dominating his people and in fact, the whole country and if by check-mating your hegemonic ambition in his region with his northernisation policy is termed tribalism, he cared not. One Nigeria was your dream, not his.

This is the same way you guys called Awo and by extension a whole nationality, tribalist, simply because according to you lot, he did not allow an igbo man to be in charge of the western region- yorubaland. None of you bother to ask , why does an igbo man wanted to rule over the yorubas especially one that has spent his whole political career until then, fighting, vilifying, denigrating and been downright obnoxious to the yoruba leaders and their interests?

I have watched that BBC interview many times and i can't find any hint of hate towards the igbos therein, rather all I saw was a leader who is genuinely looking out for the interests of the people he 's leading, in the new political hemisphere called Nigeria.

Below is the interview with the BBC, incase u haven't watched it..like I said..I HV no tear for him..he should simply rest in peace till we all come over there

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LS3mPhmjeW4&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiLoMCjuJKSAxXZkmoFHeGdCzgQFnoECAgQAg&usg=AOvVaw2v6UY2G-3oSL4COidVQwqw

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by lawani(m): 12:27pm On Jan 17

bigpicture001:
Below is the interview with the BBC, incase u haven't watched it..like I said..I HV no tear for him..he should simply rest in peace till we all come over there

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LS3mPhmjeW4&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiLoMCjuJKSAxXZkmoFHeGdCzgQFnoECAgQAg&usg=AOvVaw2v6UY2G-3oSL4COidVQwqw

He was a Premier of Northern region and what he did then is what all Nigerian states are doing today and there is nothing wrong with it. There is nothing wrong in catering for your people first before others. Can you give a job opportunity to me if your brother looking for a job is also qualified?. He may have used harsh words but the policy can not be faulted.

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Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by franchasng: 12:32pm On Jan 17

AndroBlaze:

Your write-up suggests that you already understand the reality of the situation, but are choosing to be clever by half.

It really shouldn’t require a long response, because your replies make it fairly clear that you’re being deliberately crafty, but I’ll spell it out anyway.

Ironsi effectively became the de facto “king” of Nigeria — something the young nation had never experienced before, and something a particular section of the country had long been quietly advocating for “under the table”, as a supposed solution to the inefficiencies they blamed for Nigeria’s backwardness.

Prior to Ironsi’s seizure of power, Nigeria was governed through a delicate political agreement that required the cooperation of at least two of the three dominant regional parties — North & East, or North & (traitorous) West. Although Balewa was Prime Minister from day one, everyone understood that the real power lay with Ahmadu Bello, who controlled the party with the largest number of seats. Even so, Bello could never have dreamed of wielding the level of centralised authority that Ironsi later exercised over Nigeria.

You downplay the unification of the civil service as if it were a minor administrative matter. But who actually runs a country? Is it politicians and military leaders issuing directives, or the civil service — the machinery that implements policy on a day-to-day basis? That question has long been settled, and even the Bible makes the answer clear.

To give a more recent and concrete example: we all recently witnessed the richest man in Africa locked in open conflict with a public servant, battling him by every means necessary to keep his business afloat — despite the President openly supporting the refinery as a national solution to fuel scarcity, lower prices, and foreign exchange savings.

Did this public servant — like his predecessors before him — not understand that he was merely an appointee expected to carry out the will of his political superiors? And yet subsequent revelations showed that he was effectively operating independently, amassing wealth that only sitting governors could rival. One public servant.

In the less corrupt Nigeria of the 1960s, the reality of who controlled day-to-day governance was not fundamentally different.

Ahmadu Bello recognised this very early, which is why his often-quoted statement — that he would rather hire a foreign expatriate than an “Igbo” into the Northern public service — is so telling. This was at a time when Easterners were already making inroads across all three regions. That statement alone should tell you how consequential the unification of the civil service was, and why it alarmed sections of the country that were educationally and culturally disadvantaged, and unable to compete on merit. Ambition, after all, was never encouraged as part of the Northern identity prior to the creation of Nigeria.

To answer your question directly: the military governors Ironsi appointed over the new “provinces” were little more than security officers and desk administrators. They could not make policy in the way that previous premiers did. They did not control a civil service or revenue streams. Major decisions on education, health, and governance had to be referred back to the Supreme Military Council. Infrastructure wasn’t even theirs to debate.

In short, they were largely figureheads, something the premiers of the original regions were never as they were literally rulers. Anyway this model was replicated by most subsequent military governments — which also explains why corruption under military rule tends to be less dispersed. The military is, by nature, a unitary institution.

The summary of your comment is that Aguiyi Ironsi reduced the power of the regional governments to give him more control but he never abolished regional government completely.

When you abolish something, you replace it with another.

It was Gowon that abolished the regional system and replaced it with States by creating the 12 states.

Ironsi never abolished regional system, he only made decree 34 to unify civil service, abolish political parties as a way of having more control as a military head of state that was never elected by the people of Nigeria.

Gowon then abolished the regional system and replaced it with 12 states.

This is how it should be put and not lying against Ironsi and Igbos by claiming Ironsi abolished regional system whereas Nigeria still had regional Governors under Ironsi.

Like as it is since 1999, Nigeria still operates 3 tier of government, namely; Local Government, State Government and Federal Government. But at some point, Governors usurped the powers of the Local Government Chairman, but they never abolished LGA, and now Tinubu came and trying to empower LGA again. If LGAs were abolished completely before Tinubu came to power, there is no way he could have started process of strengthening LGA autonomy again.

So if Gowon didn't create states and left the regional system as it was with Regional Governors or leaders not having much control or power, a time will come a President will emerge and empower the regional governments again unlike what we have today.

So my point is, people should stop blaming Ironsi as being the person that abolished regional system of government because he was not, it was Gowon that abolished regional governments and replaced them with the 12 states he created. That's my point

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by lawani(m): 12:33pm On Jan 17

T9ksy:
Omo, this your propaganda is stale o! Did Tafawa balewa told you he's a national leader? He was a regional leader (just like Zik and Awo) though he controls the PM but everyone knows he was the Sardunna of the Sokoto caliphate - muslims adherents of northern Nigeria. At no time did he called himself a Nigerian leader nor aspire to be.

Moreover, the hate tag you igbos placed on him is quite insincere. He never claimed to care about southern Nigerians but for his people and if by looking out for the interest of his people makes him a tribalist then that's your problem, deal with it. You guys were hell-bent on dominating his people and in fact, the whole country and if by check-mating your hegemonic ambition in his region with his northernisation policy is termed tribalism, he cared not. One Nigeria was your dream, not his.

This is the same way you guys called Awo and by extension a whole nationality, tribalist, simply because according to you lot, he did not allow an igbo man to be in charge of the western region- yorubaland. None of you bother to ask , why does an igbo man wanted to rule over the yorubas especially one that has spent his whole political career until then, fighting, vilifying, denigrating and been downright obnoxious to the yoruba leaders and their interests?

I have watched that BBC interview many times and i can't find any hint of hate towards the igbos therein, rather all I saw was a leader who is genuinely looking out for the interests of the people he 's leading, in the new political hemisphere called Nigeria.

Tafa Balewa was a national leader. It was Ahmadu Bello that was regional.

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by T9ksy(m): 12:37pm On Jan 17

bigpicture001:
Below is the interview with the BBC, incase u haven't watched it..like I said..I HV no tear for him..he should simply rest in peace till we all come over there

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LS3mPhmjeW4&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiLoMCjuJKSAxXZkmoFHeGdCzgQFnoECAgQAg&usg=AOvVaw2v6UY2G-3oSL4COidVQwqw

I still don't see any hatred or fear of the igbos in the clip, above.

Should the sardunna had stand akimbo and watched the igbos take most of the civil service posts in his region to prove that he does not harbour any hate towards them and that's he's not a tribalist?

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by lawani(m): 12:42pm On Jan 17*

franchasng:
The summary of your comment is that Aguiyi Ironsi reduced the power of the regional governments to give him more control but he never abolished regional government completely.

When you abolish something, you replace it with another.

It was Gowon that abolished the regional system and replaced it with States by creating the 12 states.

Ironsi never abolished regional system, he only made decree 34 to unify civil service, abolish political parties as a way of having more control as a military head of state that was never elected by the people of Nigeria.

Gowon then abolished the regional system and replaced it with 12 states.

This is how it should be put and not lying against Ironsi and Igbos by claiming Ironsi abolished regional system whereas Nigeria still had regional Governors under Ironsi.

Like as it is since 1999, Nigeria still operates 3 tier of government, namely; Local Government, State Government and Federal Government. But at some point, Governors usurped the powers of the Local Government Chairman, but they never abolished LGA, and now Tinubu came and trying to empower LGA again. If LGAs were abolished completely before Tinubu came to power, there is no way he could have started process of strengthening LGA autonomy again.

So if Gowon didn't create states and left the regional system as it was with Regional Governors or leaders not having much control or power, a time will come a President will emerge and empower the regional governments again unlike what we have today.

So my point is, people should stop blaming Ironsi as being the person that abolished regional system of government because he was not, it was Gowon that abolished regional governments and replaced them with the 12 states he created. That's my point

What is now the difference between state and region? We can say Gowon created more regions. What Ironsi was seeking to achieve was the eradication of indigeneship, unification of the civil service and etc. I don't think that was or is popular with Nigerians but the creation of more regions or state as done by Gowon was and is still popular. Do you think the majority of Nigerians support the unification of the civil service? Eradication of indigeneship and etc? I don't think so. However what Gowon did should have been done constitutionally after referendums. They created a bad precedent. The military have no power to realign people and it is a part of the mess they created.

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Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by gidgiddy: 1:28pm On Jan 17

lawani:
What is now the difference between state and region? We can say Gowon created more regions. What Ironsi was seeking to achieve was the eradication of indigeneship, unification of the civil service and etc. I don't think that was or is popular with Nigerians but the creation of more regions or state as done by Gowon was and is still popular. Do you think the majority of Nigerians support the unification of the civil service? Eradication of indigeneship and etc? I don't think so. However what Gowon did should have been done constitutionally after referendums. They created a bad precedent. The military have no power to realign people and it is a part of the mess they created.

Why dont you guys take out time to read Ironsi's decree 34? The 4 Regions of the time had their own civil service. What Decree 34 did was place those 4 Regional civil service under one body known as the national civil service

Ironsi did not abolish any of the 4 Regions, and he did not stop all 4 from controlling their resources. Resource control is the key to true federalism

It was Gowon that came after Ironsi and used Decree 14 to abolish the 4 Regions, and replaced them with 12 states. To add insult to injury, Gowon followed this up with Decree 15 that abolished resource control

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by AndroBlaze: 1:52pm On Jan 17*

franchasng:
The summary of your comment is that Aguiyi Ironsi reduced the power of the regional governments to give him more control but he never abolished regional government completely.

When you abolish something, you replace it with another.

It was Gowon that abolished the regional system and replaced it with States by creating the 12 states.

Ironsi never abolished regional system, he only made decree 34 to unify civil service, abolish political parties as a way of having more control as a military head of state that was never elected by the people of Nigeria.

Gowon then abolished the regional system and replaced it with 12 states.

This is how it should be put and not lying against Ironsi and Igbos by claiming Ironsi abolished regional system whereas Nigeria still had regional Governors under Ironsi.

Like as it is since 1999, Nigeria still operates 3 tier of government, namely; Local Government, State Government and Federal Government. But at some point, Governors usurped the powers of the Local Government Chairman, but they never abolished LGA, and now Tinubu came and trying to empower LGA again. If LGAs were abolished completely before Tinubu came to power, there is no way he could have started process of strengthening LGA autonomy again.

So if Gowon didn't create states and left the regional system as it was with Regional Governors or leaders not having much control or power, a time will come a President will emerge and empower the regional governments again unlike what we have today.

So my point is, people should stop blaming Ironsi as being the person that abolished regional system of government because he was not, it was Gowon that abolished regional governments and replaced them with the 12 states he created. That's my point

No, you are wrong, and again choosing to miss the point.

It was Ironsi that introduced Unitary system of government in independent Nigeria, where the center holds more power than constituent parts over every day citizens, this had not been the case before.

For the sake of clarity, he abolished regions and changed the suffix to provinces. More importantly he ensured that ultimate power was moved further away from the people to a dominant centre where only one person ( or interest , or ethnicity) gets to dictate everything, this had never been the case in Nigeria before.

Before he came, to a typical Westerner, Northerner or Easterner, their leader (who actually affected their life) was not Balewa. The people who made the decisions that affected their day to day life was Bello in the North, Awo (through Akintola) in the West, the NCNC cabal (through Okpara and Osadebey) in the East and later mid-west.

True power in the West lied in Ibadan, in the North it lied in Kaduna, in the East it lied in Enugu and Midwest Benin....Lagos (the FCT) did not matter to 95% of Nigerians. The average man's loyalty was to his region, and not Nigeria.

This was the situation Ironsi changed and to be fair to him a lot of intellectuals (dominated by southerners obviously) felt it was the way to go.

He initiated the paradigm shift, that lasts till today where the center dominates and your president affects your life more than your governor. In fact when Gowon came, the 12 states he created were far stronger than the wish washy Provinces Ironsi left. If he hadn't balkanised Ojukwu's province, he might have been a bit calmer with his plans on secession.

Also, going back to Ojukwu....please tell all of us what Ojukwu was demanding for in Aburi? Did he demand they go back to Ironsi Unitary style (where Gowon would make all the decisions) or that they go back to a more region-oriented pre-Military style?

In fact he even advocated a looser confederation, 100% what Awolowo had advocated in the 50's where each region would get back their civil service and be able to secede. This was even supported by Bello and the NPC then, only for Mr Nigeria, Zik of Africa, to disagree and side with the British to ensure it would never happen.

My brother, you are intelligent, stop trying to rewrite history. Ironsi was not fully to blame for his mistakes, neither was Gowon fully to blame for the civil war (don't forget he had agreed to all the conditions set at Aburi himself).....but just like in the Bible, those hiding under people's cloaks to wield the true power, saw their interests weren't served and pushed the "leaders" to do their bidding.

It is a tale as old as time and still happening till now.

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Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by bigpicture001: 2:28pm On Jan 17

T9ksy:
I still don't see any hatred or fear of the igbos in the clip, above.

Should the sardunna had stand akimbo and watched the igbos take most of the civil service posts in his region to prove that he does not harbour any hate towards them and that's he's not a tribalist?

That video is incomplete, I mistakenly send the till Tok version

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by lawani(m): 2:47pm On Jan 17

gidgiddy:
Why dont you guys take out time to read Ironsi's decree 34? The 4 Regions of the time had their own civil service. What Decree 34 did was place those 4 Regional civil service under one body known as the national civil service

Ironsi did not abolish any of the 4 Regions, and he did not stop all 4 from controlling their resources. Resource control is the key to true federalism

It was Gowon that came after Ironsi and used Decree 14 to abolish the 4 Regions, and replaced them with 12 states. To add insult to injury, Gowon followed this up with Decree 15 that abolished resource control

We have true federalism now. It is just that people don't realize it. Lagos has a budget of over 4 trillion naira and it is seventy percent funded by igr. Every state has autonomy and that is what is important. If you remove the autonomy then there is no true federalism. Resource control is not important. Nobody put the oil there and states have already a percentage for derivation.
Autonomy, control of your civil service etc with power over whom to employ or not are vital for true federalism. If a military government takes over today and says the civil service will be unified, will you support it?. As at that time, oil money was not an issue, it was not much, so resource control was not an issue. For Lagos today, resource control is still not an issue. If the military had never ventured into politics, resource control would never have been an issue.
What Ironsi did was unpopular back then and is still unpopular now whereas what Gowon did was popular then and now. More ethnic groups still want their own autonomy and states that don't have igr love the oil money

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Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by Konquest: 2:48pm On Jan 17

Arafat2022:
A photograph of Sir Ahmadu Bello attending the graduation ceremony of Major Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu at the Royal Military Academy, Sandhurst, in England in the 1950s, after sponsoring him to attend the academy.

Major Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu later assassinated Sir Ahmadu Bello and members of his family on 15 January 1966 during Nigeria’s first military coup.

"Kaduna" Nzeogwu who is ORIGINALLY from Okpanam close to Asaba in modern Delta State ISN'T shown in that ATTACHED photograph.

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by Konquest: 2:53pm On Jan 17

T9ksy:
Omo, this your propaganda is stale o! Did ~~Tafawa balewa~~ nay Ahmadu Bello told you he's a national leader? He was a regional leader (just like Zik and Awo) though he controls the PM but everyone knows he was the Sardunna of the Sokoto caliphate - muslims adherents of northern Nigeria. At no time did he called himself a Nigerian leader nor aspire to be.

Moreover, the hate tag you igbos placed on him is quite insincere. He never claimed to care about southern Nigerians but for his people and if by looking out for the interest of his people makes him a tribalist then that's your problem, deal with it. You guys were hell-bent on dominating his people and in fact, the whole country and if by check-mating your hegemonic ambition in his region with his northernisation policy is termed tribalism, he cared not. One Nigeria was your dream, not his.

This is the same way you guys called Awo and by extension a whole nationality, tribalist, simply because according to you lot, he did not allow an igbo man to be in charge of the western region- yorubaland. None of you bother to ask , why does an igbo man wanted to rule over the yorubas especially one that has spent his whole political career until then, fighting, vilifying, denigrating and been downright obnoxious to the yoruba leaders and their interests?

I have watched that BBC interview many times and i can't find any hint of hate towards the igbos therein, rather all I saw was a leader who is genuinely looking out for the interests of the people he 's leading, in the new political hemisphere called Nigeria.

Succinctly stated.

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Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by DatNiggaDaz: 3:01pm On Jan 17

PulaPower:
Ironsi killed regional government by unification decree of May 1966..

https://thesun.ng/impunity-killing-nigeria-phillip-asiodu/

You are being schooled on the true history of the Civil war but xou choose deceit, propaganda and Revision to blackmail our neigbours

Like a Nairalander have already observed that thread like this will get more attention on the FP as election approaches. Every Nigerian have come to see you folks as the real problem of Nigeria not the Northerners. The ND apart ftom Asari, Akpabio and other political sellouts, nö Deltan trust you folks and are 100% sure that you folks are the problem of Nigeria

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Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by franchasng: 3:57pm On Jan 17

AndroBlaze:
No, you are wrong, and again choosing to miss the point.

It was Ironsi that introduced Unitary system of government in independent Nigeria, where the center holds more power than constituent parts over every day citizens, this had not been the case before.

For the sake of clarity, he abolished regions and changed the suffix to provinces. More importantly he ensured that ultimate power was moved further away from the people to a dominant centre where only one person ( or interest , or ethnicity) gets to dictate everything, this had never been the case in Nigeria before.

Before he came, to a typical Westerner, Northerner or Easterner, their leader (who actually affected their life) was not Balewa. The people who made the decisions that affected their day to day life was Bello in the North, Awo (through Akintola) in the West, the NCNC cabal (through Okpara and Osadebey) in the East and later mid-west.

True power in the West lied in Ibadan, in the North it lied in Kaduna, in the East it lied in Enugu and Midwest Benin....Lagos (the FCT) did not matter to 95% of Nigerians. The average man's loyalty was to his region, and not Nigeria.

This was the situation Ironsi changed and to be fair to him a lot of intellectuals (dominated by southerners obviously) felt it was the way to go.

He initiated the paradigm shift, that lasts till today where the center dominates and your president affects your life more than your governor. In fact when Gowon came, the 12 states he created were far stronger than the wish washy Provinces Ironsi left. If he hadn't balkanised Ojukwu's province, he might have been a bit calmer with his plans on secession.

Also, going back to Ojukwu....please tell all of us what Ojukwu was demanding for in Aburi? Did he demand they go back to Ironsi Unitary style (where Gowon would make all the decisions) or that they go back to a more region-oriented pre-Military style?

In fact he even advocated a looser confederation, 100% what Awolowo had advocated in the 50's where each region would get back their civil service and be able to secede. This was even supported by Bello and the NPC then, only for Mr Nigeria, Zik of Africa, to disagree and side with the British to ensure it would never happen.

My brother, you are intelligent, stop trying to rewrite history. Ironsi was not fully to blame for his mistakes, neither was Gowon fully to blame for the civil war (don't forget he had agreed to all the conditions set at Aburi himself).....but just like in the Bible, those hiding under people's cloaks to wield the true power, saw their interests weren't served and pushed the "leaders" to do their bidding.

It is a tale as old as time and still happening till now.

I love how you presented facts that everyone can relate, but then I still disagree with some things.

First, there is no way a military personnel will seize power and not suspend the constitution.

Secondly, there was no way a military personnel would seize power and not find a way to unify government system of operation to give himself control of governance to avoid uprising and rebellion.

I think this was why Ironsi made decree 34 to unify civil service and abolish political parties in Nigeria. He never meant to completely abolish regional system, if he wanted that, he wouldn't have appointed Military Governors for each regions, he would have used same decree 34 or another to completely abolish regions and create states like Gowon did. He still wanted the regions to exist but with a new name to reduce ethnic consciousness among Nigerians, thinking that would unite Nigerians better.

Buhari removed petrol subsidy on paper but he never implemented it until Tinubu came and implemented it immediately without delay, and nobody has ever said Buhari removed petrol subsidy instead, everyone blames Tinubu for removing petrol subsidy even though Buhari already removed petrol subsidy from the budget. This is where I have issue with Yorubas; any negative issue in Nigeria, they are always quick to blame it squarely on Igbos to incite other tribes against Igbos by making others see Igbos as the problems always. It was Gowon that implemented the full abolishment of regional system of government in Nigeria through the creation of 12 states, accept this truth.

Yes Ironsi's decree 34 might have made mention of unitary government and abolishing regional system but still he went ahead to appoint regional Governors even though you claim they were mere figureheads but at least regions still had their own person heading their region as Military Governor, that means Ironsi did not completely abolish regional system of government in Nigeria until Gowon came and implemented it fully yet you guys hardly mention Gowon but today petrol subsidy removal is blamed on Tinubu even though Buhari removed subsidy from the budget. It is the hypocrisy that I am trying to correct you guys.

Just as January 1966 coup was tagged Igbo coup by Western Nigeria media even though there were other tribes among the Coupists and Awolowo prominently mentioned as the reason they struck. Even the coup leader Nzeogwu was collectively called Igbo man but the same Southwest that called Nzeogwu an Igbo man always claim that Delta state and Rivers state have no Igbo people.

To you guys, someone is Igbo only when he does something negative but when he does something positive, he becomes Niger Delta all because of crude oil politics, these are the hypocrisies I am trying to point out for you guys.

And there is another question I always ask Yorubas of our time and none have ever answered that question:

If your father died a poor man who only worked as a cocoa farmer and refused to advance his studies and seek for better opportunities, does it mean that you his son must also die a poor cocoa farmer simply because your father have made an initial mistake of refusing to embrace higher education? Is it not expected of you to correct your father's mistakes and chart a new, and better life for yourself?

If we are to agree that Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe made a mistake as the leading figure of Nigeria's independence, does it mean that Nigerians of our generation must continue with the same mistake until Nigeria gets completely destroyed as it is today? Are we not supposed to work harder to correct the mistakes of our founding fathers and build a great nation that our unborn generation will be proud of, if so, why does Yoruba lawmakers always shy away from seeking for Nigeria to return to regional system since the Yorubas so much believed in Awolowo's regional government legacies?

I am also glad you acknowledged the truth that Ojukwu sought for Nigeria to return back to regional system where each region controlled their regional affairs, which was what made Ojukwu and Gowon to go to Aburi Ghana for the Aburi Accord which Gowon accepted but rejected all signed agreements on arrival in Lagos. Is this not proof that Ojukwu was a more visionary leader and the reason Igbos cherished him then and even now, and also cherished Awolowo yet Yorubas will always gaslight other Nigerians to believe that Igbos prefer this current discombobulated setting Nigeria is operating even after Igbos fought a brutal war seeking to be on their own.

Let's just stop the hypocrisy and always say the truth as it is, thank you

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Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by engrchykae(m): 5:59pm On Jan 17

PulaPower:
Gibberish..

As if the north needs to read nairaland to remember how you guys greedily unalive there leader’s..

We’ll always talk about Nigeria history right from the creation. Your fore-fathers were super greedy and despite everything, they all labored in vain. None of them did anything tangible for the Ibos aside from stealing money..

Your fore-father carried out a coup and after the coup, they immediately destroyed our regionalism, with the believe that it will be sweet to control the whole country from the center. Unfortunately for them, life happened to them, the North grabbed power again and discovered it’s indeed sweet to be controlling Nigeria from the center... The rest is history..

It’s one of the reasons why I don’t usually blame the north for Nigeria’s problem. South created most of Naija problem, most especially, SE..

what about how Tinubu licked the anus of the north to get power.
Tinubu as a normal Yoruba asked Trump to bomb Sokoto,the seat of the caliphate.
Tinubu norminated El rufai for Minister and told akpabio not to clear El rufai.
Two faced cowards

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by engrchykae(m): 6:04pm On Jan 17

franchasng:
Ordinarily, I am not supposed to reply you, but since I am free now, I will.

First, stop allowing ethnic dislike to control your thoughts and reasoning as human.

Your political elites told you guys so much lies about the Igbos which you guys have held on to for several years now and refused to do personal research and even analyze issues based on available facts and not some hearsay or they said or I heard.

I am going to present facts to you which you can personally research to know if it's true or not.

General Aguiyi Ironsi the first Military Head of state of Nigeria who happened to be Igbo was removed via counter coup in 1966.

While he was Military Head of state, Nigeria still ran regional system of government.

Col. Odimegwu Ojukwu was the Military Governor of Eastern Nigeria.

Col. Adekunle Fajuyi was the Military Governor of Western Region.

Maj. Gen. Hassan Katsina was the Military Governor of Northern Region.

Col. David Ejoor was the Military Governor of Midwestern Region of Nigeria.

Immediately Ironsi was removed, Gowon took over as Military Head of State and after taking power, Gowon replaced the four large regions (North, East, West, Mid-West) with a 12-state structure in 1967.

Gowon stated that he dissolved the regional system as a strategic move to dilute regional power, reduce ethnic tensions, and prevent further fragmentation. This effectively ended the pre-existing regional system.

But as usual, Yoruba media propaganda always love to blame Igbos for every political issue in Nigeria, so they always held on to decree 34 by Aguiyi Ironsi as what ended regional system of government but under the same man they said ended regional system, Nigeria had Regional Governors, Western Region had a Military Regional Governor, Fajuyi.

Now you may ask what was decree 34 all about?

It was a usual practice for all military personnel that seized power in their nations back then to find ways to consolidate power to avoid political uprising against them, so they usually suspend their nation's constitution and adopt the use of military decree to enact laws they used to rule their nations in place of national constitution.

Decree 34 abolished political parties, unified civil service in Nigeria to give the military head of state the power to control state institutions and prevent political uprising.

But as usual, Yorubas intentionally ignored Gowon's decree no 14 of May 27, 1967 that instantly abolished regional governments and created the first 12 states in Nigeria, which ended the regional system of government and rather blamed Aguiyi Ironsi's decree no 34 that only unified civil service and abolished political parties while keeping regional governments as Nigeria still had Regional Governors before Ironsi was removed via bloody counter coup.

So tell me, how did Ironsi ended Regional government in Nigeria when under his military leadership Nigeria still had 4 regional governments with their respective Regional Governors?

Tell me why Ironsi who never created a single state but kept all the four regions and appointed Military Governors to oversee the four regions the person to be blamed instead of Gowon that abolished regional governments and created the first 12 states in Nigeria?

we are not hamitic .
These our envious neighbors are aware of our identity.
Bello in 1954 said the North doesn't want to have anything to do with the Jews of Nigeria.
Check it up on YouTube.
You are of the house of Gad

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by engrchykae(m): 6:05pm On Jan 17

PulaPower:
Ironsi killed regional government by unification decree of May 1966..

https://thesun.ng/impunity-killing-nigeria-phillip-asiodu/

says a Yoruba paper

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by PulaPower: 6:06pm On Jan 17

engrchykae:
says a Yoruba paper

Stop sounding like a Thug

The sun news paper is own by an Igbo man

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by engrchykae(m): 6:13pm On Jan 17

Armadu Bello,the criminal was recruiting boys from the streets of kaduna for his own special plan.
He put them in the military and fast tracked their promotions jumping protocols.
When he picked interest in young Chukwuma and asked him his name,he smartly replied Kaduna.
This is something almajiris do in the north,they bear the name of the state where they found themselves for example aminu kano, Hassan Katsina.
So Chukwuma was privy to the premier's evil jihad.
Bello mistakenly recruited the wrong soldier.

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by T9ksy(m): 6:18pm On Jan 17

engrchykae:
what about how Tinubu licked the anus of the north to get power.
Tinubu as a normal Yoruba asked Trump to bomb Sokoto,the seat of the caliphate.
Tinubu norminated El rufai for Minister and told akpabio not to clear El rufai.
Two faced cowards

Oh well, can you juxtapose that with Dr. Zik licking the north's backside ONLY to get a ceremonial post.

After the (un)civil war, where the north unleashed their fury on the igbos, another igbo leader (Dr. Ekweume) licked the same northerners behind JUST to get a mere VP post.
Even Ojukwue who led you into a meaningless and disastrous war came back to lick and campaigned for President Shagari.

At least, Tinubu got the presidency whereas no amount of arse-licking you do, the most you will ever get is, VP.

Your Obi will never get into aso rock except of course, as a guest.

The joke is on you, matey

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by lawani(m): 6:26pm On Jan 17

T9ksy:
Oh well, can you juxtapose that with Dr. Zik licking the north's backside ONLY to get a ceremonial post.

After the (un)civil war, where the north unleashed their fury on the igbos, another igbo leader (Dr. Ekweume) licked the same northerners behind JUST to get a mere VP post.
Even Ojukwue who led you into a meaningless and disastrous war came back to lick and campaigned for President Shagari.

At least, Tinubu got the presidency whereas no amount of arse-licking you do, the most you will ever get is, VP.

Your Obi will never get into aso rock except of course, as a guest.

The joke is on you, matey

Igbos don't have same bargaining power as Yoruba. There are seventy million people living on Nigerian Yoruba land. You can take that as Yoruba population because Yoruba also live in their millions in other Nigerian cities. People living on Igbo land including Igboid people claiming they are not Igbos are not up to thirty million

Re: Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna Sponsored His Killer by RemoteNaija: 6:52pm On Jan 17

All I can see is tribalism at it's peak.

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