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Dtruthspeaker:
When you say they became "mortal" you have confess that they became dieable and that they died.

So, now your saying that Satan did not lie, has been bursted.

Even you knew you were lying which is why you dodged directly answering the simple question asked and resorted to the fallacy of
Shifting the burden of proof.

Answer the question?

How can the devil lie when he never existed in the Bible?

When I said he never lied thats the truth literally because he was never part of original Christianity

Small correction for people confidently wrong about their own religion.

In early Hebrew thought and the original Old Testament context, “Satan” was NOT a red horned demon or the embodiment of evil. That idea is medieval fan-fiction that came much later.

Originally, the concept was split into three very different meanings:

1) Ha-Satan = The Divine Prosecutor
In the Hebrew Bible, ha-satan literally means “the adversary” or “the accuser”.
It was a job title, not a name.

Ha-Satan was part of God’s heavenly court. Think prosecuting lawyer, not rebel angel.
His role was to test humans and report back to God.

Classic example is the Book of Job.
He doesn’t oppose God. He works for God.

No horns. No rebellion. No war in heaven.

2) Yetzer Hara = The Internal Impulse
In Jewish theology, evil was never originally a monster outside you.

It was Yetzer Hara, meaning the evil inclination.
Greed. Pride. Ego. Lust. Selfishness.

So “resisting Satan” originally meant mastering yourself, not fighting an external demon.

The battlefield was the human mind, not hell.

3) Satan as a Human Adversary
The word satan was also used for human opponents.

If someone blocked your path, opposed your mission, or worked against you, they were a “satan”. Just an adversary. Nothing supernatural.

Even in the New Testament, Jesus calls Apostle Peter “Satan” when Peter tried to stop him.
Obviously Peter didn’t sprout horns. He was just acting as a temporary obstacle.

So summary, very simple:

Satan was originally:
• a role (divine prosecutor)
• a psychological impulse (human selfishness)
• or a human opponent

The red horned fire demon is a much later medieval invention, heavily influenced by Greek mythology and European folklore.

If you’re going to argue religion, at least argue the original text, not cartoons and church posters.

Dtruthspeaker:
Off Point.

It's now clear that you yourself appreciate that you are wrong on this issue.

So, let me go to the next issue you raised.

Answer the question,

How can the devil lie when he was never part of original Christianity?

Small correction for people confidently wrong about their own religion.

In early Hebrew thought and the original Old Testament context, “Satan” was NOT a red horned demon or the embodiment of evil. That idea is medieval fan-fiction that came much later.

Originally, the concept was split into three very different meanings:

1) Ha-Satan = The Divine Prosecutor
In the Hebrew Bible, ha-satan literally means “the adversary” or “the accuser”.
It was a job title, not a name.

Ha-Satan was part of God’s heavenly court. Think prosecuting lawyer, not rebel angel.
His role was to test humans and report back to God.

Classic example is the Book of Job.
He doesn’t oppose God. He works for God.

No horns. No rebellion. No war in heaven.

2) Yetzer Hara = The Internal Impulse
In Jewish theology, evil was never originally a monster outside you.

It was Yetzer Hara, meaning the evil inclination.
Greed. Pride. Ego. Lust. Selfishness.

So “resisting Satan” originally meant mastering yourself, not fighting an external demon.

The battlefield was the human mind, not hell.

3) Satan as a Human Adversary
The word satan was also used for human opponents.

If someone blocked your path, opposed your mission, or worked against you, they were a “satan”. Just an adversary. Nothing supernatural.

Even in the New Testament, Jesus calls Apostle Peter “Satan” when Peter tried to stop him.
Obviously Peter didn’t sprout horns. He was just acting as a temporary obstacle.

So summary, very simple:

Satan was originally:
• a role (divine prosecutor)
• a psychological impulse (human selfishness)
• or a human opponent

The red horned fire demon is a much later medieval invention, heavily influenced by Greek mythology and European folklore.

If you’re going to argue religion, at least argue the original text, not cartoons and church posters.

Dtruthspeaker:
Off Point.

It's now clear that you yourself appreciate that you are wrong on this issue.

So, let me go to the next issue you raised.

Answer the question

How can he lie when he never existed!

Dtruthspeaker:
Off Point.

It's now clear that you yourself appreciate that you are wrong on this issue.

So, let me go to the next issue you raised.

You can never answer that question

1) because you are not Christian

2) because you cant read Hebrew to learn the truth

How can the devil lie when he never existed?

Fenrir:
Answer the question

How can he lie when he never existed!

Off Point, change of Post, fallacy of reversing the burden of proof and even you believed he existed when you thought and believed that he did not lie until i corrected you. So this issue is settled. Let me attend to another lie in your post

Dtruthspeaker:
Off Point, change of Post, fallacy of reversing the burden of proof and even you believed he existed when you thought and believed that he did not lie until i corrected you. So this issue is settled. Let me attend to another lie in your post

Are you are Christian or not? And you insulted jews WHEN JESUS WAS A JEW

answer the question

How can the devil lie WHEN HES NOT PART OF CHRISTIANITY!!

you are showing your lack of knowledge and the fact the religion means nothing to you.

Fenrir:
Are you are Christian or not? And you insulted jews WHEN JESUS WAS A JEW

answer the question

How can the devil lie WHEN HES NOT PART OF CHRISTIANITY!!

you are showing your lack of knowledge and the fact the religion means nothing to you.

All these are Off Points and change of Posts.

Dtruthspeaker:
All these are Off Points and change of Posts.

Got banned, right

You literally insulted the son of your god "a jew" the most famous jew ever so that means insult your own religion

And cannot get off your backside to read the original Hebrew that further insulting your god

Now...

Even the title “Messiah” is a Jewish concept.
Without Jews, Christianity has no text, no prophecy, no narrative spine.

People who really understand Christianity don’t attack Jews.
They know the entire structure rests on them.

So answer the question, how can the devil lie if he was never part of the original bible?

You even admitted you read the topic start so that admitting you dont know what you are talking about 😂

Check mate

Fenrir:
Got banned, right

You literally insulted the son of your god "a jew" the most famous jew ever so that means insult your own religion ...

Off Point.
And no where did I insalt Jesus for Abraham, Joseph, Philip are examples of jews like Jesus yet they are not like the atheists jews i was talking about. And you knew this but because you knew that you have been checkmated having nothing reasonable to say again, you now want to cheat by resorting to commit the fallacy of overgeneralization.

And, even at that it is still off point and you lost since.

There is no move after i already gave you the checkmate and left.

Fenrir:
Norwegian

No wonder.

Ikke rart.

Image123:
No wonder.

Ikke rart.

And? Your point is?
See heres the thing

Im Norwegian/Swedish/Danish by blood, birth and nationality

But was emancipated at 13 for killing my parents in self defence

Sent to the uk to live as a legal man at 13 with no adult authority and "UNOFFICIALLY" raised by an old school yoruba woman in Southampton uk "Hythe new forest"

Not the nonsense liars of today in that ethnicity
I maybe white as snow and made for the fjords but I know their original culture better than them

Fenrir:
And? Your point is?
See heres the thing

Im Norwegian/Swedish/Danish by blood, birth and nationality

But was emancipated at 13 for killing my parents in self defence

Sent to the uk to live as a legal man at 13 with no adult authority and "UNOFFICIALLY" raised by an old school yoruba woman in Southampton uk "Hythe new forest"

Not the nonsense liars of today in that ethnicity
I maybe white as snow and made for the fjords but I know their original culture better than them

Okay, first, you are extremely emotional and all over the place. You need to relax and think a bit more. Because you're emotional, you're assuming a lot. For example, i didn't say anything about the Bible changing or not, you assumed that.
If the most basic two lines is misunderstood based on the above, or on language competence which i have now ruled out, we can't have a productive discussion.

Image123:
Okay, first, you are extremely emotional and all over the place. You need to relax and think a bit more. Because you're emotional, you're assuming a lot. For example, i didn't say anything about the Bible changing or not, you assumed that.
If the most basic two lines is misunderstood based on the above, or on language competence which i have now ruled out, we can't have a productive discussion.

Yap yap

No, you are all world famous for lying about your cultures

Ive been coming to Nigeria since I was 17 and 40 now been married to Yoruba woman that died of cancer now married to igbo and ive more than proven i know the cultures the difference is that I dont tolerate the lie "we are traditional people" none of you are. Not really religious either its all for show and ego and you cant deny it, I live here and see it daily

And cant call me a hypocrite I attack my own culture too

Fenrir:
Yap yap

No, you are all world famous for lying about your cultures

Ive been coming to Nigeria since I was 17 and 40 now been married to Yoruba woman that died of cancer now married to igbo and ive more than proven i know the cultures the difference is that I dont tolerate the lie "we are traditional people" none of you are. Not really religious either its all for show and ego and you cant deny it, I live here and see it daily

And cant call me a hypocrite I attack my own culture too

Wow, It is well with you dear.

Image123:
Wow, It is well with you dear.

Kjaere? Who you calling Kjaere?


Ex British royal Marine MOS 11B Åberg
Served in Afghanistan and worse

What have ever done little
Im 40 not fragile

A spaniel like you cant beat a wolf no matter the age of the wolf

"Be nice it's not an insult"

Please can you discuss without insulting the person chatting with you?

Because i want to discuss with you on Bible and Christianity.

Note one thing:

I belong to the one and only Christian Organization producing the fruit of faith which no religion can produce so try to maintain our discussion based on what i present to you as written in the Bible not on what the churches of Christendom are doing!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
"Be nice it's not an insult"

Please can you discuss without insulting the person chatting with you?

Because i want to discuss with you on Bible and Christianity.

Note one thing:

I belong to the one and only Christian Organization producing the fruit of faith which no religion can produce so try to maintain our discussion based on what i present to you as written in the Bible not on what the churches of Christendom are doing!🙂

Cease your vociferations crony antecedently I......
Discombobulate thy pugnacious and supercilious self with supercalifragilisticexpialidocious sesquidalia

Fenrir:
Cease your vociferations crony antecedently I......
Discombobulate thy pugnacious and supercilious self with supercalifragilisticexpialidocious sesquidalia

It's OK Sir!😂

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK Sir!😂

You actually understood it? You lot have got pidgin but ive got posh

Fenrir:
You actually understood it? You lot have got pidgin but ive got posh

No problem Sir, at least you have proved there is no need being polite but i can't discuss with people who are used to insulting others. So if you can't discuss without insulting others yet demanding what you can't give it's OK by me i will just waka pass!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
No problem Sir, at least you have proved there is no need being polite but i can't discuss with people who are used to insulting others. So if you can't discuss without insulting others yet demanding what you can't give it's OK by me i will just waka pass!🙂

What exactly insulting what i said? None of it was sweating none of it an attack or I would have gotten banned

Not my fault you dont understand advanced and victorian English

Fenrir:
What exactly insulting what i said? None of it was sweating none of it an attack or I would have gotten banned

Not my fault you dont understand advanced and victorian English

Here is the question i asked you:

Please can you discuss without insulting the person chatting with you?

It only requires a YES or NO response!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Here is the question i asked you:

Please can you discuss without insulting the person chatting with you?

It only requires a YES or NO response!🙂

Im an atheist, I dont believe in religion i just like the story

Magic sky wizard gets people drunk on water wine
Turns into zombie to and cures the apple cure

That would be an awesome movie

Fenrir:
Im an atheist, I dont believe in religion i just like the story. Magic sky wizard gets people drunk on water wine
Turns into zombie to and cures the apple cure. That would be an awesome movie

Here is the question again:

Please can you discuss without insulting the person chatting with you?

MaxInDHouse:
Here is the question again:

ATHIEST!!

Fenrir:
ATHIEST!!

I don't get what you meant by the word "ATHEIST"
Are you trying to say atheists can demand politeness from others while they don't need to be polite?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
I don't get what you meant by the word "ATHEIST"
Are you trying to say atheists can demand politeness from others while they don't need to be polite?🙂

Got banned for common European non offensive saying

No tried with you before and you couldn't handle metaphors without labels and you blocked

Fenrir:
Got banned for common European non offensive saying. No tried with you before and you couldn't handle metaphors without labels and you blocked.

When you are banned it's due to the use of offensive word so you can't discuss without insulting others.
Thank you!🙂