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Eniitankorede:
You don’t know how to interpret Quran. We follow word for word in sequence of creation. So do that, and you will understand.

Kindly cease thy bombastic pontifications ere I render thee utterly flummoxed with polysyllabic erudition

honesttalk21:
1. Following the Earth's creation, Surah 41 details the completion of the heavens, including their embellishment with celestial lights

2. prior to the Earth's formation, the heavens existed in a nascent, smoke-like state (verse 11). Their finalization and organization into seven distinct layers took place subsequent to the creation of the Earth.

So u telling me Allah created the earth before the stars? Is that what u saying
That Allah created the sun after creating the earth!!!!!

SIRTee15:
So u telling me Allah created the earth before the stars? Is that what u saying
That Allah created the sun after creating the earth!!!!!

No. As I mentioned before, the Arabic word thumma (then) doesn't always mean things happened in order. It can also show a change in topic or be used to explain something. Take Surah 41, for example. It goes from talking about getting the Earth ready to talking about how the heavens were ordered, not listing creation in order. The skies are first described as dukhan,like primordial smoke (41:11), and then as being shaped into seven heavens and decorated with stars (41:12). The Qur'an never says exactly when the stars or the Sun were created, just when they were arranged or made visible. It's clear that the Qur'an makes a distinction between creating (khalq), ordering (taswiyah), and adorning (zinah). Stars are only mentioned in the context of adorning. Therefore, saying the Qur'an teaches that the Earth was created before the Sun or stars is reading a timeline into the text that isn't actually there.

honesttalk21:
No. As I mentioned before, the Arabic word thumma (then) doesn't always mean things happened in order. It can also show a change in topic or be used to explain something. Take Surah 41, for example. It goes from talking about getting the Earth ready to talking about how the heavens were ordered, not listing creation in order. The skies are first described as dukhan,like primordial smoke (41:11), and then as being shaped into seven heavens and decorated with stars (41:12). The Qur'an never says exactly when the stars or the Sun were created, just when they were arranged or made visible. It's clear that the Qur'an makes a distinction between creating (khalq), ordering (taswiyah), and adorning (zinah). Stars are only mentioned in the context of adorning. Therefore, saying the Qur'an teaches that the Earth was created before the Sun or stars is reading a timeline into the text that isn't actually there.

The word 'then' and 'after that' no longer mean timeline when used in the Quran according to honesttalk.

This is surah 2.29 which showed Allah created before the heavens

Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

once again the verse said 'then Allah turned to heaven' after finishing the earth.

U cant have morning and night without light from the sun. and surah 41 clearly stated Allah adorned the skies with lamps after completing the works on earth. going by your explanation, Allah created the stars but they didn't emit light until after the earth was finished.
above makes no cosmological sense because the sun had been functioning perfectly emitting light b4 for billion of years b4 earth was formed.

You can't reconcile these errors and contradiction. no matter how u try, u cant.

SIRTee15:
The word 'then' and 'after that' no longer mean timeline when used in the Quran according to honesttalk.

This is surah 2.29 which showed Allah created before the heavens

Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

once again the verse said 'then Allah turned to heaven' after finishing the earth.

U cant have morning and night without light from the sun. and surah 41 clearly stated Allah adorned the skies with lamps after completing the works on earth. going by your explanation, Allah created the stars but they didn't emit light until after the earth was finished.
above makes no cosmological sense because the sun had been functioning perfectly emitting light b4 for billion of years b4 earth was formed.

You can't reconcile these errors and contradiction. no matter how u try, u cant.

Your argument hinges on a chronological interpretation that the Arabic text doesn't necessarily demand. In the Quran, thumma doesn't always mean after in a temporal sense. Classical scholars have recognized that it often serves to shift the topic of discussion. If you disagree, it's up to you to demonstrate that thumma in these verses must refer to a time sequence; something the Arabic itself doesn't confirm.

Quran 2:29 and 41:11-12 make a clear distinction between the act of creation (khalq) and the ordering or beautifying (taswiyah, zinah). Stars are only mentioned when discussing adornment, not the initial creation or when they first began to shine. The text never actually says that stars, or even the Sun, were created or started emitting light after the Earth.

Therefore, the idea that light didn't exist before the Earth is being read into the text, not drawn from it. You're essentially projecting a modern scientific or even biblical timeline onto a metaphysical description. That's eisegesis, not a proven contradiction..

honesttalk21:
Your argument hinges on a chronological interpretation that the Arabic text doesn't necessarily demand. In the Quran, thumma doesn't always mean after in a temporal sense. Classical scholars have recognized that it often serves to shift the topic of discussion. If you disagree, it's up to you to demonstrate that thumma in these verses must refer to a time sequence; something the Arabic itself doesn't confirm.

Quran 2:29 and 41:11-12 make a clear distinction between the act of creation (khalq) and the ordering or beautifying (taswiyah, zinah). Stars are only mentioned when discussing adornment, not the initial creation or when they first began to shine. The text never actually says that stars, or even the Sun, were created or started emitting light after the Earth.

Therefore, the idea that light didn't exist before the Earth is being read into the text, not drawn from it. You're essentially projecting a modern scientific or even biblical timeline onto a metaphysical description. That's eisegesis, not a proven contradiction..

surah 79 already established Allah created morning and night when he formed the earth. so the sun precede the earth in that verse.

Now surah 41 is saying Allah adorned the heaven with lamps after he finished the works on the earth.
what does lamp mean in this verse and what does adorn mean. pls correlate it with cosmological realities.
what exactly did Allah do when he adorned the heaven with lamp. what was he trying to accomplish.
what does it really mean to adorn the lower heavens with lamps. Your scholars already said the lower heavens is the universe and lamp mean stars.
so what does it mean to adorn the universe with stars.

ALL I CAN SAY, THE BEST RELIGION ON EARTH IS HUMANITY.......IT PREACHES LOVE, RESPECT AND PEACE....THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR SANE HUMAN.

SIRTee15:
surah 79 already established Allah created morning and night when he formed the earth. so the sun precede the earth in that verse.

Now surah 41 is saying Allah adorned the heaven with lamps after he finished the works on the earth.
what does lamp mean in this verse and what does adorn mean. pls correlate it with cosmological realities.
what exactly did Allah do when he adorned the heaven with lamp. what was he trying to accomplish.
what does it really mean to adorn the lower heavens with lamps. Your scholars already said the lower heavens is the universe and lamp mean stars.
so what does it mean to adorn the universe with stars.

In the Qur'anic verses we're looking at, the term lamps (masabih) points to the stars we can see, not the moment they were born or lit up for the first time. Similarly, adorn (zinah) isn't about creating something from scratch, but rather about arranging, displaying, or making it visible.

From a cosmic standpoint, stars might have formed before Earth. Still, they only become observable, organized, and relevant from Earth's point of view at a later time. The Qur'an's wording agrees with this way of seeing things, focusing on how the heavens appear to us, rather than the timeline of astrophysics.

There's nothing in the text that claims stars or light didn't exist until after the Earth. Stars are only brought up when talking about arrangement, distinction, and how we see them, not their initial creation. To interpret adornment as a creation sequence is to project a modern scientific or biblical timeline onto a description that's more about metaphysics.

So, the mistake isn't in the Qur'an itself, but in mixing up cosmic arrangement and perception with the question of where things originally came from.

Kobojunkie:
You mean the passage you quoted out of context earlier is what you present in defense of Islam? You previously scolded someone else regarding the quoting of verses out of context, yet you turned around and did the same... expecting me to do exactly what with that? 🥱🥱🥱

No, kobo, I did not "did the same" and quote verses the out of context to prove the Bible advocated murder. You'd note this if you read the posts and those that succeeded it. And if you read the below specifically, perhaps you'd not accuse me so.

budaatum:
Your post is like me posting the below and then claiming Jesus is calling for the murder of those who don't believe what he says they must, which is just plain stup¹d and ïgnorant, and should indicate I have not read the book or just don't understand what I read.

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Luke 19:27

But I'm glad you did not fall into the trap and quote Quranic verses out of context. It ensures my regard and respect for you remains intact, somewhat.

Ceejayooo:
ALL I CAN SAY, THE BEST RELIGION ON EARTH IS HUMANITY.......IT PREACHES LOVE, RESPECT AND PEACE....THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR SANE HUMAN.

It should be enough, but there does not seem to be enough sane humans, sadly, which is why some create these sorts of threads to show their lack of love for humanity and for their neighbours.

Seun, why in 2026, are we not allowed to express even informed opinions regarding Mohammed? Why is everyone else fair game but Mohammed put on some sort of pedestal in Nairaland? Abraham was a mercenary but the moment I post similar regarding Mohammed, I get censored. Why? 🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
In the Qur'anic verses we're looking at, the term lamps (masabih) points to the stars we can see, not the moment they were born or lit up for the first time. Similarly, adorn (zinah) isn't about creating something from scratch, but rather about arranging, displaying, or making it visible.

From a cosmic standpoint, stars might have formed before Earth. Still, they only become observable, organized, and relevant from Earth's point of view at a later time. The Qur'an's wording agrees with this way of seeing things, focusing on how the heavens appear to us, rather than the timeline of astrophysics.

There's nothing in the text that claims stars or light didn't exist until after the Earth. Stars are only brought up when talking about arrangement, distinction, and how we see them, not their initial creation. To interpret adornment as a creation sequence is to project a modern scientific or biblical timeline onto a description that's more about metaphysics.

So, the mistake isn't in the Qur'an itself, but in mixing up cosmic arrangement and perception with the question of where things originally came from.

u just making it harder for yourself as u continue to reinterpret those passages.
so God made stars visible from the earth after he finished work on the later. b4 that stars were not visible from the earth.
the closest star to the earth is the SUN which Allah already created and made visible prior to earth creation in surah 79.

Except u saying Allah made some stars visible and left the rest for later.

Look here, it's so obvious the authors of the Quran had poor knowledge of accurate cosmology. They simply followed the ancient theory which is creation was centred around the earth. Every extratrrestial elements were created to serve the earth.

Eniitankorede:
That’s not true. In the west, Islam is the fastest growing either by conversion or whatever.

Nonsense most are atheist, you invading is different and people are taking a stand now.

SIRTee15:
u just making it harder for yourself as u continue to reinterpret those passages.
so God made stars visible from the earth after he finished work on the later. b4 that stars were not visible from the earth.
the closest star to the earth is the SUN which Allah already created and made visible prior to earth creation in surah 79.

Except u saying Allah made some stars visible and left the rest for later.

Look here, it's so obvious the authors of the Quran had poor knowledge of accurate cosmology. They simply followed the ancient theory which is creation was centred around the earth. Every extratrrestial elements were created to serve the earth.

Surah 41:11-12 doesn't actually say the stars were made then. The Arabic wording is quite clear. What the verse does say is that Allah adorned (zayyanna) the closest heaven with lamps (bi-masabih). In Arabic, zīnah means making something beautiful, arranging it, or designating it for a purpose not creating it from scratch. When the Qur'an talks about creation, it uses words like khalaqa (created) or jaʿala (brought into being). These words aren't used here.

The stars are mentioned here only in terms of how they work and how we see them as lights that we can see and as an organized part of the sky not as things that were just created. So, the text makes a distinction between something existing and how it's arranged in the cosmos.

If you persistently wants to argue that this is a mistake about the universe, you need to prove using the Arabic text itself that zayyanna means created or that masabih means the stars were ignited. Just giving English translations isn't enough. A real argument needs to look closely at the Arabic words and grammar, and not just read meanings into the text that aren't really there. If you truly have concerns after doing this say so either I or whoever can explain in a form you will understand can address better. You sure have the capacity for independent research unless you need validation for assurance.

honesttalk21:
Surah 41:11-12 doesn't actually say the stars were made then. The Arabic wording is quite clear. What the verse does say is that Allah adorned (zayyanna) the closest heaven with lamps (bi-masabih). In Arabic, zīnah means making something beautiful, arranging it, or designating it for a purpose not creating it from scratch. When the Qur'an talks about creation, it uses words like khalaqa (created) or jaʿala (brought into being). These words aren't used here.

The stars are mentioned here only in terms of how they work and how we see them as lights that we can see and as an organized part of the sky not as things that were just created. So, the text makes a distinction between something existing and how it's arranged in the cosmos.

If you persistently wants to argue that this is a mistake about the universe, you need to prove using the Arabic text itself that zayyanna means created or that masabih means the stars were ignited. Just giving English translations isn't enough. A real argument needs to look closely at the Arabic words and grammar, and not just read meanings into the text that aren't really there. If you truly have concerns after doing this say so either I or whoever can explain in a form you will understand can address better. You sure have the capacity for independent research unless you need validation for assurance.

guy, I'm not arabic and I dont need to learn any arabic to understand what the verse is saying- its so clear. u are the one hiding behind arabic etymology to diffuse the contradiction and ignorance seen in the Quran.
I never said Allah created the stars after earth creation- we have gone past that already.
My point is what does adornment of lamps mean and u said it's about arrangement and visibility of the stars.
The sun is a star and it's obvious it emitted light and became visible prior to creation of the earth according to cosmotology and surah 79.
There can't be night and day without visibility of the the sun. so this idea that visibility came after earth creation is not supported by science or Quran itself.

budaatum:
➜No, kobo, I did not "did the same" and quote verses the out of context to prove the Bible advocated murder. You'd note this if you read the posts and those that succeeded it. And if you read the below specifically, perhaps you'd not accuse me so.
But I'm glad you did not fall into the trap and quote Quranic verses out of context. It ensures my regard and respect for you remains intact, somewhat.

According to the Quran Surah 33 vs 21, Muslims have an excellent model in the messenger of Allah, Mohammed, implying that the true Muslim lives as Mohammed himself lived. Go read that book and then come back and regale us with the excellent attributes of Mohammed that the world is dying to have more of in our day and time. 🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
According to the Quran Surah 33 vs 21, Muslims have an excellent model in the messenger of Allah, Mohammed, implying that the true Muslim lives as Mohammed himself lived.

And where in the entire Surah 33, where Mohammed is talking about reacting to enemies who invaded you is Mohammed telling anyone to go kill people who don't believe as he did?

Would you like to argue that Mohammed also killed the unbelievers that he traded with too?

Seriously, I'm very glad you are not a Muslim. If you were you'd more likely be preaching the boko haram version, which is as uninformed as yours is!

Eniitankorede:
Complete rubbish. Islam is far better than Christianity because we control both the mind and what we see. As a muslim you are expected to lower your gaize when you see a woman who is naked. You are also expected not to remain in seclusion with a woman. Fasting has both voluntary and obligatory ones. The obligatory ones you are allowed to proclaim the fast. The voluntary one you are not expected to announce to anybody except yourself.

Your statements show how ignorant you are about Islam. It is the most beautiful religion that legislates and controls your physical interaction, heart and mind. Furthermore, there are countless prayers to prevent you for those fitna (temptations) which is spiritual dimension to it. Tell me if your bible has such comprehensive methods to avoid evil.

See mouth.

What has Islam brought to benefit humanity? No Islamic nation is known for any developmental things. No invention, no Nobel Prize, no technology, no sense, except going about mourning.



72 Virginas await you in Al - jannah. You are going to be tempted by rounded, ever - protruding, never sagging boobs. You are not permitted to see them here. I like to see you in Al - Jannah, beside the river of rum, dancing tarantella with naked houris before Allah eternally.


The final miracle of burantashi.

budaatum:
✓ And where in the entire Surah 33, where Mohammed is talking about reacting to enemies who invaded you is Mohammed telling anyone to go kill people who don't believe as he did?
Would you like to argue that Mohammed also killed the unbelievers that he traded with too?
Seriously, I'm very glad you are not a Muslim. If you were you'd more likely be preaching the boko haram version, which is as uninformed as yours is!

Your retort deepens my suspicions, which is you have never, in fact , read that book., let alone the entirety of Surah 33. 🥱🥱

Go read the book or at least the chapter before you go off rambling on the subject. 🥱🥱🥱

MightySparrow:
See mouth.

What has Islam brought to benefit humanity? No Islamic nation is known for any developmental things. No invention, no Nobel Prize, no technology, no sense, except going about mourning.



72 Virginas await you in Al - jannah. You are going to be tempted by rounded, ever - protruding, never sagging boobs. You are not permitted to see them here. I like to see you in Al - Jannah, beside the river of rum, dancing tarantella with naked houris before Allah eternally.


The final miracle of burantashi.

Ignorant person. When you Algebra and Algorithm. Go and ask who they are and what religion they are. The father of medicine Ave Cena was a Muslim. GPS that you use for satelite communication was designed by a muslim woman. Many more. Ignorant ones like you will forever by ignorant, we don’t care.

Kobojunkie:
Your retort deepens my suspicions, which is you have never, in fact , read that book., let alone the entirety of Surah 33. 🥱🥱

Go read the book or at least the chapter before you go off rambling on the subject. 🥱🥱🥱

You are entirely free to believe whatever you want, but Surah 33 is very clear what is referred to and you can't change that with you beliefs.

SIRTee15:
guy, I'm not arabic and I dont need to learn any arabic to understand what the verse is saying- its so clear. u are the one hiding behind arabic etymology to diffuse the contradiction and ignorance seen in the Quran.
I never said Allah created the stars after earth creation- we have gone past that already.
My point is what does adornment of lamps mean and u said it's about arrangement and visibility of the stars.
The sun is a star and it's obvious it emitted light and became visible prior to creation of the earth according to cosmotology and surah 79.
There can't be night and day without visibility of the the sun. so this idea that visibility came after earth creation is not supported by science or Quran itself.

Genesis includes a couple of creation stories that don't line up perfectly.

Genesis 1:1-2:3: Plants pop up first, then animals, and finally humans both male and female together.

Genesis 2:4-25: Man arrives first, followed by a garden with plants, then the animals, and lastly, woman.

The ancient Israelites weren't scratching their heads over this. They saw these as different ways of looking at things, not a step-by-step scientific account. This shows that Semitic writings often tell stories based on themes, not just a timeline, a concept that also applies to the creation verses in the Quran.

You argue that Arabic isn't needed because the contradiction is plain as day. But everything you're saying falls apart if you ignore how ancient Semitic texts actually get their message across. You're reading the Quran like it's a modern science textbook, instead of a religious text that uses well-established Semitic literary techniques.

Semitic scripture doesn't do scientific chronology as seen in the Biblical example you're already okay with. Before you zero in on the Quran, think about how the Hebrew Bible itself works.

Genesis has two creation accounts with different orders of events:

Genesis 1:1-2:3 says plants then animals then humans (male and female together)

Genesis 2:4-25 says man then garden/plants then animals then woman.

Using your logic, this would be a blatant contradiction. But for over 3,000 years, Jewish and Christian scholars have understood that these are accounts focused on themes, not two different timelines:

Genesis 1 is about the cosmos and its order

Genesis 2 is about humans and their relationships

Ancient readers never expected a scientific sequence because Semitic scripture wasn't written to provide one. The same literary approach applies to the Quran.

Your Main Mistake is insisting on chronology when the text signals theme. Surah 79:27-30 where we have ba'da dhalika translated in the English language translation you highlight states:
He darkened its night and brought out its brightness. And after that (ba'da dhalika) He spread the earth.

You assume by this night/day means sun is working therefore the sun was working before the earth and therefore it's a contradiction.

That assumption is where you go wrong.
In classical Arabic (just like in Hebrew), words that indicate time often mark a shift in topic, not necessarily a sequence of events.

It's like when someone says after that, let me explain…" without meaning that any time has actually passed.

In this case, the passage moves from features of the heavens (structure, the ability to have light and dark) to features of the Earth (spread out, habitable).

It's a comparison of themes, not a timeline of creation.

Night and day need the Sun implies you're mixing categories. You're confusing describing a system's properties with narrating the order in which it was built.
Verse 79:29 doesn't say the sun turned on at this moment. It's describing how the completed cosmos works, how humans experience night and day.

Ancient texts often speak in a way that reflects how things appear to us:

The sun rises,the heavens were stretched out, stars are set in the sky.

No one takes these as scientific claims unless they're looking for a contradiction.

Adorning with lamps isn't the samr as creating stars.

Surah 41:12: We adorned (zayyanna) the nearest heaven with lamps (masabih).

You ask what does adornment mean if it's not creation or ignition? The answer to this is straightforward and based on language, not dodging the question: Creation uses khalaqa, bringing into being uses ja'ala, adornment (zayyanna) means arrangement, assignment, beautification

Different verbs. Different actions.

Think of it this way:

I adorned the hall with lights doesn't mean I invented electricity,it means I arranged the existing lights into a working, visible system.

Similarly, the Quran describes the functional relationship between stars and the earth.

Navigation, signs, beauty, order not their cosmic origins.

7th-Century Arabs didn't object if this were a real contradiction.
Muhammad pbuh's Quraysh opponents who were native Arabic speakers would have jumped all over it. They accused Muhammad of being crazy, a sorcerer, a plagiarist but never of cosmological nonsense. Why?

Because they didn't read these verses as a timeline. Classical interpreters didn't treat them as a scientific sequence either. The objection only pops up when modern readers force a scientifically literal interpretation, English reading habits, expectations of chronological order that are foreign to Semitic literature

This is clear display of a double standard. You excuse Genesis because it's theological? It's thematic? Ancient texts don't work like science? But you don't give the Quran the same benefit of the doubt. That's not being clear that's picking and choosing when to be literal.

Ba'da dhalika marks a shift in theme, not a time sequence, Zayyanna describes a functional arrangement, not creation.

The language of night and day is how things appear to us, not astrophysics

This is similar to how Genesis has been understood for thousands of years.

Either apply the same standard to both texts or admit that the objection isn't about clarity, but about personal preference.

What you're calling an obvious contradiction is simply what happens when ancient Semitic religious texts are misread as if they were a lab report.

budaatum:
✓ You are entirely free to believe whatever you want, but Surah 33 is very clear what is referred to and you can't change that with you beliefs.

Go read the book( or at least chapter 33 in full) and come tell us what wonderful attributes make Mohammed this perfect role model for Muslim , or stop with the ramblings! 🥱🥱🥱

I wouldn't suggest you bother reading the book. You'd only read your own bigotry into it.

Kobojunkie:
Go read the book( or at least chapter 33 in full) and come tell us what wonderful attributes make Mohammed this perfect role model for Muslim , or stop with the ramblings! 🥱🥱🥱

budaatum:
✓ I wouldn't suggest you bother reading the book. You'd only read your own bigotry into it.

Stop making noise and go read the book ...stop painting my mention with sheer ignorance! 🥱🥱

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Eniitankorede:
Ignorant person. When you Algebra and Algorithm. Go and ask who they are and what religion they are. The father of medicine Ave Cena was a Muslim. GPS that you use for satelite communication was designed by a muslim woman. Many more. Ignorant ones like you will forever by ignorant, we don’t care.

Be deceiving yourself. The glory of Persia was wanning when Islam got there and finished the remaining glory. When Islam gained full ground, darkness fell on the Islamic world and destroyed knowledge and research. There is no known person that amounts to anything in useful fields of science, technology, medicine, economics in last 300years in any Islam dominated world. If there is anyone, he or she must be living in the West and have western influence.

Since the Hamid Al - Ghezali, Islamic world has embraced darkness. The relevance Islamic world has today is jihad. Without global terrorism, Islam has no relevance and inspiration.

MightySparrow:
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Be deceiving yourself. The glory of Persia was wanning when Islam got there and finished the remaining glory. When Islam gained full ground, darkness fell on the Islamic world and destroyed knowledge and research. There is no known person that amounts to anything in useful fields of science, technology, medicine, economics in last 300years in any Islam dominated world. If there is anyone, he or she must be living in the West and have western influence.

Since the Hamid Al - Ghezali, Islamic world has embraced darkness. The relevance Islamic world has today is jihad. Without global terrorism, Islam has no relevance and inspiration.

Go and ask you history teacher, Muslims and Islam held the light when Europe was in darkness. The story is on google. Stop being an ignoramus.

Eniitankorede:
Go and ask you history teacher, Muslims and Islam held the light when Europe was in darkness. The story is on google. Stop being an ignoramus.

I must petition you to relinquish these histrionic enunciations lest I proceed to stupefy your perception with an avalanche of sesquipedalian prose

Eniitankorede:
➜Go and ask you history teacher, Muslims and Islam held the light when Europe was in darkness. The story is on google. Stop being an ignoramus.

Oh, this is an absolute lie! 🥱🥱

At no point in all of history did Islam ever bring light to Europe. To this day, Islam has almost always been associated with impeding the enlightenment in the Middle East for over a thousand years. And that trend continues to stifle development in the Middle East to this day. 🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
Oh, this is an absolute lie! 🥱🥱

At no point in all of history did Islam ever bring light to Europe. To this day, Islam has almost always been associated with impeding the enlightenment in the Middle East for over a thousand years. And that trend continues to stifle development in the Middle East to this day. 🥱🥱

Not strictly true, when the greek fella burned their special book, it lit things up quite well

Eniitankorede:
Ignorant person. When you Algebra and Algorithm. Go and ask who they are and what religion they are. The father of medicine Ave Cena was a Muslim. GPS that you use for satelite communication was designed by a muslim woman. Many more. Ignorant ones like you will forever by ignorant, we don’t care.

Might you be persuaded to terminate your current sequence of ostentatious haranguing before I obfuscate your mental equilibrium with a demonstration scholarly lexicography