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Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣look at this man......he has started deviating after shooting himself on the foot by claiming that Jesus is not the "Almighty God" in Hebrews 1:8. Are you telling me now that you cannot explain Hebrews 1:8? Why are you using questions to deviate from this verse that you are teaching me? Kindly answer the below.

Since you claim that Hebrews 1:8 does not refer to Jesus as the "Almighty God" by calling him "God", what kind of "God" could Hebrews 1:8 be referring to Jesus?

I challenge you to quote EXACTLY where I said that "Jesus is not the "Almighty God" in Hebrews 1:8" otherwise, you are the TRUE son of your father.


John 8:44:
"You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and stayed not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

By their Fruit, they are known!
Satan is a LIAR!!!!

TenQ:
I challenge you to quote EXACTLY where I said that "Jesus is not the "Almighty God" in Hebrews 1:8" otherwise, you are the TRUE son of your father.


John 8:44:
"You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and stayed not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

By their Fruit, they are known!
Satan is a LIAR!!!!

Below is your reply to my question concerning Hebrews 1:8.

If Hebrews 1:8 is not referring to Jesus as "God" to mean the "Almighty God", what kind of "God" could Hebrews 1:8 be referring to Jesus?

TenQ:
Until you show me where I said WE HAVE A SOUL, have a nice day

odeeeeeh.
so why list it ?

you listed and went on to bold the three of them, so i guessed that's what you are implying...

You seem to have a preconceived interpretation of what you think I am saying.

I never said anywhere that WE HAVE A SOUL.
The language I used is
Our Spirit
Our Soul
Our Body

1Ths 5:23:
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

so can you explain your point and the passage you posted.

tctrills:
So Zachariah is now the Lord of Hosts? Stop disgracing yourself. God never sent Zachariah to the Nations. It was Jesus Christ He sent to the world. Please stop disgracing yourself.

For thus saith the Lord of hosts: After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me.
Read and learn
I can bet you have never read the book of Zachariah because if you have, you will know who was taking.
Here is another instance of Jehovah speaking in the book of Zachariah
Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

I am sure you think it was Zachariah who was pierced, but it was actually Jehovah speaking there.

Go to verse 1 to learn who was speaking.
Here you go
The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

This is Zachariah 12:1
1.The prophecy of the [b]word of the Lord concerning Israel[/b]Says the Lord, Who stretches out the heavens and founds the earth and forms the spirit of man within him:

then look at 10, the one you posted, this is what zachariah actually said, not the mis translation you have
10:
And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplications. And they shall look to me because of those who have been thrust through [with swords], and they shall mourn over it as one mourns over an only son and shall be in bitterness, therefore, as one is embittered over a firstborn son.

where did you see pierce there?

even reading from verse 1 to 10 will tell you the prophecy is about Israel.

stop reading and taking text out of context, you will miss the whole gist. read the story, it is a continuous narrative, i wonder why you will take a text from a story and run away with it, put it back where it belongs and understand the message the person is trying to pass..maxindhouse is also guilty of this, read the narrative and get the gist from it....why should i be the one to teach you simple structure and context.

there is no Jesus anywhere in the Tanakh where remotely or otherwise. The messiah God promised them, will be a king from the root of David through Solomon, not a demi god.

sonmvayina:
odeeeeeh.
so why list it ?

you listed and went on to bold the three of them, so i guessed that's what you are implying...

You seem to have a preconceived interpretation of what you think I am saying.



so can you explain your point and the passage you posted.

No need!

Truthseeker10:
Below is your reply to my question concerning Hebrews 1:8.

I still challenge you to quote EXACTLY where I said that "Jesus is not the "Almighty God" in Hebrews 1:8" otherwise, you are the TRUE son of your father.

Truthseeker10:
If Hebrews 1:8 is not referring to Jesus as "God" to mean the "Almighty God", what kind of "God" could Hebrews 1:8 be referring to Jesus?

Why repeat your question if I had already answered it? Quote me please....the son of his father!

I thought you said I claimed that "Jesus is not the "Almighty God" in Hebrews 1:8"

So, did Heb 1:8 read that the son is AN Almighty God? It is a YES or NO answer!

Mr UnruthSeeker10, respond to my challenge or apologise!

sonmvayina:
This is Zachariah 12:1
1.The prophecy of the [b]word of the Lord concerning Israel[/b]Says the Lord, Who stretches out the heavens and founds the earth and forms the spirit of man within him:

then look at 10, the one you posted, this is what zachariah actually said, not the mis translation you have
10:
And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplications. And they shall look to me because of those who have been thrust through [with swords], and they shall mourn over it as one mourns over an only son and shall be in bitterness, therefore, as one is embittered over a firstborn son.

where did you see pierce there?

even reading from verse 1 to 10 will tell you the prophecy is about Israel.

stop reading and taking text out of context, you will miss the whole gist. read the story, it is a continuous narrative, i wonder why you will take a text from a story and run away with it, put it back where it belongs and understand the message the person is trying to pass..maxindhouse is also guilty of this, read the narrative and get the gist from it....why should i be the one to teach you simple structure and context.

there is no Jesus anywhere in the Tanakh where remotely or otherwise. The messiah God promised them, will be a king from the root of David through Solomon, not a demi god.

Oga, what is wrong with you? Is this your first time reading the bible?

Your bible version
And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplications. And they shall look to me because of those who have been thrust through [with swords], and they shall mourn over it as one mourns over an only son and shall be in bitterness, therefore, as one is embittered over a firstborn son.

KJV version
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Please look at the bolded. In your version, it says who have been thrust through [with swords] in KJv version is says pierced, both mean the same thing.
Please, can you stop stressing me unnecessarily?

Now, who was pierced, was it Zachariah or Jehovah?

tctrills:
Oga, what is wrong with you? Is this your first time reading the bible?

Your bible version
And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplications. And they shall look to me because of those who have been thrust through [with swords], and they shall mourn over it as one mourns over an only son and shall be in bitterness, therefore, as one is embittered over a firstborn son.

KJV version
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Please look at the bolded. In your version, it says who have been thrust through [with swords] in KJv version is says pierced, both mean the same thing.
Please, can you stop stressing me unnecessarily?

Now, who was pierced, was it Zachariah or Jehovah?

I no know where to start from.
it is not a messianic prophecy. it is about the Israelites. It is not one person that is being killed. the word "Those" suggest multiple people being killed.
God is saying they would look at him as their enemies are killing them, And they will mourn because God allowed it. it is not a messianic prophecy. The Messiah is not expected to die, he will rule for a long time and the world will enjoy an era of world peace., no more oppression of any kind. Isaiah says "Men will hammer their sword into ploughshares and learn of war NO MORE...peace....The Messiah is not coming to die for sins, God has already given them a solution to the problem of sin and it does not involve human sacrifice. ...

try and understand, it is not rocket science 🧪

sonmvayina:
I no know where to start from.
it is not a messianic prophecy. it is about the Israelites. It is not one person that is being killed. the word "Those" suggest multiple people being killed.
God is saying they would look at him as their enemies are killing them, And they will mourn because God allowed it. it is not a messianic prophecy. The Messiah is not expected to die, he will rule for a long time and the world will enjoy an era of world peace., no more oppression of any kind. Isaiah says "Men will hammer their sword into ploughshares and learn of war NO MORE...peace....The Messiah is not coming to die for sins, God has already given them a solution to the problem of sin and it does not involve human sacrifice. ...

try and understand, it is not rocket science 🧪

Oga, you know what, it makes zero sense doing this with you. I will post all the verses here so that other intelligent people can read and decide for themselves.

Zechariah 12:10

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Zechariah 2:8-11
For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me.

10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord.

11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

But then, do yourself a favour and use an AI to translate Zechariah 12:10, specifically request an unbiased translation that is not dependent on earlier translations or opinions.

TenQ:
I still challenge you to quote EXACTLY where I said that "Jesus is not the "Almighty God" in Hebrews 1:8" otherwise, you are the TRUE son of your father.


Why repeat your question if I had already answered it? Quote me please....the son of his father!

I thought you said I claimed that "Jesus is not the "Almighty God" in Hebrews 1:8"

So, did Heb 1:8 read that the son is AN Almighty God? It is a YES or NO answer!

Mr UnruthSeeker10, respond to my challenge or apologise!

I have given you screenshot evidence of you saying that Hebrews 1:8 does not say that Jesus is the Almighty God.

so if Jesus is not an Almighty God according to Hebrews 1:8, what is the essence of the verse calling Jesus "God"?

TenQ:
No need!

lol..

your point is that there are 3 different parts that make up man.
I am saying it is just two....the two forms the third one...

tctrills:
Oga, you know what, it makes zero sense doing this with you. I will post all the verses here so that other intelligent people can read and decide for themselves.

Zechariah 12:10

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mournerth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Zechariah 2:8-11
For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me.

10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord.

11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

But then, do yourself a favor and use an AI to translate Zechariah 12:10, specifically request an unbiased translation that is not dependent on earlier translations or opinions.

let me actually post the entire Zachariah chapter 2, you just select some few verses and run away with it. it won't make sense. let us read the whole of chapter 2 the way Zachariah wrote it in Hebrew/Aramaic and translated to English.
Zachariah chapter 2

1And I lifted my eyes, and I saw-and behold!-four horns. אוָֽאֶשָּׂ֥א אֶת־עֵינַ֖י וָאֵ֑רֶא וְהִנֵּ֖ה אַרְבַּ֥ע קְרָנֽוֹת:

2And I said to the angel who was speaking to me, "What are these?" And he said to me, "These are the horns that scattered Judah and Israel and Jerusalem." בוָֽאֹמַ֕ר אֶל־הַמַּלְאָ֛ךְ הַדֹּבֵ֥ר בִּ֖י מָה־אֵ֑לֶּה וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֵלַ֔י אֵ֚לֶּה הַקְּרָנוֹת֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר זֵר֣וּ אֶת־יְהוּדָ֔ה אֶת־יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל וִירֽוּשָׁלִָֽם:

3And the Lord showed me four craftsmen. גוַיַּרְאֵ֣נִי יְהֹוָ֔ה אַרְבָּעָ֖ה חָֽרָשִֽׁים:

4And I said, "What are these coming to do?" And he said, saying, "These are the horns that scattered Judah to the extent that no man raised his head. And these came to cause them to quake, to cast away the horns of the nations that bear a horn against the land of Judah, to scatter it." דוָֽאֹמַ֕ר מָ֛ה אֵ֥לֶּה בָאִ֖ים לַֽעֲשׂ֑וֹת וַיֹּ֣אמֶר לֵאמֹ֗ר אֵ֣לֶּה הַקְּרָנ֞וֹת אֲשֶׁר־זֵ֣רוּ אֶת־יְהוּדָ֗ה כְּפִי־אִישׁ֙ לֹֽא־נָשָׂ֣א רֹאשׁ֔וֹ וַיָּבֹ֚אוּ אֵ֙לֶּה֙ לְהַֽחֲרִ֣יד אֹתָ֔ם לְיַדּ֞וֹת אֶת־קַרְנ֣וֹת הַגּוֹיִ֗ם הַנֹּֽשְׂאִ֥ים קֶ֛רֶן אֶל־אֶ֥רֶץ יְהוּדָ֖ה לְזָרֽוֹתָֽהּ:

5And I lifted my eyes, and I saw-and behold!-a man with a measuring line in his hand. הוָֽאֶשָּׂ֥א עֵינַ֛י וָאֵ֖רֶא וְהִנֵּה־אִ֑ישׁ וּבְיָד֖וֹ חֶ֥בֶל מִדָּֽה:

6And I said, "Where are you going?" And he said to me, "To measure Jerusalem, to see how much is its breadth and how much [is] its length." ווָֽאֹמַ֕ר אָ֖נָה אַתָּ֣ה הֹלֵ֑ךְ וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֵלַ֗י לָמֹד֙ אֶת־יְר֣וּשָׁלִַ֔ם לִרְא֥וֹת כַּמָּֽה־רָחְבָּ֖הּ וְכַמָּ֥ה אָרְכָּֽהּ:

7And behold, the angel who was speaking with me was coming forth, and another angel was coming forth toward him. זוְהִנֵּ֗ה הַמַּלְאָ֛ךְ הַדֹּבֵ֥ר בִּ֖י יֹצֵ֑א וּמַלְאָ֣ךְ אַחֵ֔ר יֹצֵ֖א לִקְרָאתֽוֹ:

8And he said to him, "Run, speak to this young man, saying: 'Jerusalem shall be inhabited like unwalled towns, because of the multitude of men and cattle therein.' " חוַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֵלָ֔יו (כתיב אֵלָ֔ו) רֻ֗ץ דַּבֵּ֛ר אֶל־הַנַּ֥עַר הַלָּ֖ז לֵאמֹ֑ר פְּרָזוֹת֙ תֵּשֵׁ֣ב יְרֽוּשָׁלִַ֔ם מֵרֹ֥ב אָדָ֛ם וּבְהֵמָ֖ה בְּתוֹכָֽהּ:

9But I will be for it-says the Lord-a wall of fire around, and for glory I will be in its midst. טוַֽאֲנִ֚י אֶֽהְיֶה־לָּהּ֙ נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֔ה ח֥וֹמַת אֵ֖שׁ סָבִ֑יב וּלְכָב֖וֹד אֶהְיֶ֥ה בְתוֹכָֽהּ:

10Ho, ho! Flee from the land of the north, says the Lord; for I have spread you as the four corners of the heavens, says the Lord. יה֣וֹי ה֗וֹי וְנֻ֛סוּ מֵאֶ֥רֶץ צָפ֖וֹן נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֑ה כִּ֠י כְּאַרְבַּ֞ע רוּח֧וֹת הַשָּׁמַ֛יִם פֵּרַ֥שְׂתִּי אֶתְכֶ֖ם נְאֻם־יְהֹוָֽה:

11Ho, Zion! Flee, she who sits among the nation of Babylon. יאה֥וֹי צִיּ֖וֹן הִמָּֽלְטִ֑י יוֹשֶׁ֖בֶת בַּת־בָּבֶֽל:

12For so said the Lord of Hosts: After glory, He sent me to the nations that plunder you, for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye. יבכִּ֣י כֹ֣ה אָמַר֘ יְהֹוָ֣ה צְבָאוֹת֒ אַחַ֣ר כָּב֔וֹד שְׁלָחַ֕נִי אֶל־הַגּוֹיִ֖ם הַשֹּֽׁלְלִ֣ים אֶתְכֶ֑ם כִּי הַנֹּגֵ֣עַ בָּכֶ֔ם נֹגֵ֖עַ בְּבָבַ֥ת עֵינֽוֹ:

13For, behold! I raise My hand over them, and they shall be prey for those who serve them. And you shall know that the Lord of Hosts sent me. יגכִּ֠י הִֽנְנִ֨י מֵנִ֚יף אֶת־יָדִי֙ עֲלֵיהֶ֔ם וְהָ֥יוּ שָׁלָ֖ל לְעַבְדֵיהֶ֑ם וִֽידַעְתֶּ֕ם כִּֽי־יְהֹוָ֥ה צְבָא֖וֹת שְׁלָחָֽנִי:

14Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion, for, behold! I will come and dwell in your midst, says the Lord. ידרָנִּ֥י וְשִׂמְחִ֖י בַּת־צִיּ֑וֹן כִּ֧י הִֽנְנִי־בָ֛א וְשָֽׁכַנְתִּ֥י בְתוֹכֵ֖ךְ נְאֻם־יְהֹוָֽה:

15And many nations shall join the Lord on that day, and they shall be My people; and I will dwell in your midst and you shall know that the Lord of Hosts sent me to you. טווְנִלְווּ֩ גוֹיִ֨ם רַבִּ֚ים אֶל־יְהֹוָה֙ בַּיּ֣וֹם הַה֔וּא וְהָ֥יוּ לִ֖י לְעָ֑ם וְשָׁכַנְתִּ֣י בְתוֹכֵ֔ךְ וְיָדַ֕עַתְּ כִּי־יְהֹוָ֥ה צְבָא֖וֹת שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֵלָֽיִךְ:

16And the Lord shall inherit Judah as His share on the Holy Land, and He shall again choose Jerusalem. טזוְנָחַ֨ל יְהֹוָ֚ה אֶת־יְהוּדָה֙ חֶלְק֔וֹ עַ֖ל אַדְמַ֣ת הַקֹּ֑דֶשׁ וּבָחַ֥ר ע֖וֹד בִּירֽוּשָׁלִָֽם:

17Silence all flesh from before the Lord, for He is aroused out of His holy habitation. יזהַ֥ס כָּל בָּשָׂ֖ר מִפְּנֵ֣י יְהֹוָ֑ה כִּ֥י נֵע֖וֹר מִמְּע֥וֹן קָדְשֽׁוֹ:

where did you see talk of the messiah there. i keep telling you to read it in context, you keep selecting some verses, how will it make any sense to you or anybody?
read the story, that's when you understand the gist/message the writer is passing. if you remove some verses from the narrative, you will run into error and come out clutching at straws. read it from the beginning, then you understand the flow of information. Maxindhouse is also guilty of it.

then lets put chapter 12 into proper perspective.

1The prophecy of the word of the Lord concerning Israel: Says the Lord, Who stretches out the heavens and founds the earth and forms the spirit of man within him: אמַשָּׂ֥א דְבַר־יְהֹוָ֖ה עַל־יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֗ה נֹטֶ֚ה שָׁמַ֙יִם֙ וְיֹסֵ֣ד אָ֔רֶץ וְיֹצֵ֥ר רֽוּחַ־אָדָ֖ם בְּקִרְבּֽוֹ:

2Behold! I am making Jerusalem a cup of weakness for all the peoples around, and also on Judah, [that he] shall be in the siege against Jerusalem. בהִנֵּ֣ה אָ֠נֹכִי שָׂ֣ם אֶת־יְרֽוּשָׁלִַ֧ם סַף־רַ֛עַל לְכָל־הָֽעַמִּ֖ים סָבִ֑יב וְגַ֧ם עַל־יְהוּדָ֛ה יִֽהְיֶ֥ה בַמָּצ֖וֹר עַל־יְרֽוּשָׁלִָֽם:

3And it shall come to pass on that day that I will make Jerusalem a stone of burden for all peoples; all who bear it shall be gashed, and all the nations of the earth shall gather about it. גוְהָיָ֣ה בַיּֽוֹם־הַ֠הוּא אָשִׂ֨ים אֶת־יְרֽוּשָׁלִַ֜ם אֶ֚בֶן מַֽעֲמָסָה֙ לְכָל־הָ֣עַמִּ֔ים כָּל־עֹֽמְסֶ֖יהָ שָׂר֣וֹט יִשָּׂרֵ֑טוּ וְנֶֽאֶסְפ֣וּ עָלֶ֔יה כֹּ֖ל גּוֹיֵ֥י הָאָֽרֶץ:

4On that day, says the Lord, I will smite every horse with bewilderment, and its rider with madness. And upon the house of Judah I will open My eyes, and all the horses of the peoples I will smite with blindness. דבַּיּ֨וֹם הַה֜וּא נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֗ה אַכֶּ֚ה כָל־סוּס֙ בַּתִּמָּה֔וֹן וְרֹֽכְב֖וֹ בַּשִּׁגָּע֑וֹן וְעַל־בֵּ֚ית יְהוּדָה֙ אֶפְקַ֣ח אֶת־עֵינַ֔י וְכֹל֙ ס֣וּס הָֽעַמִּ֔ים אַכֶּ֖ה בַּֽעִוָּרֽוֹן:

5And the princes of Judah shall say to themselves, "The inhabitants of Jerusalem were my strength through the Lord of Hosts, their God." הוְאָֽמְר֛וּ אַלֻּפֵ֥י יְהוּדָ֖ה בְּלִבָּ֑ם אַמְצָ֥ה לִי֙ יֹשְׁבֵ֣י יְרֽוּשָׁלִַ֔ם בַּֽיהֹוָ֥ה צְבָא֖וֹת אֱלֹהֵיהֶֽם:

6On that day I will make the princes of Judah as a fiery stove among wood, and as a brand of fire among sheaves. And they shall consume on the right and on the left all the nations round about, and Jerusalem shall still stay in its place in Jerusalem. ובַּיּ֣וֹם הַה֡וּא אָשִׂים֩ אֶת־אַלֻּפֵ֨י יְהוּדָ֜ה כְּֽכִיּ֧וֹר אֵ֣שׁ בְּעֵצִ֗ים וּכְלַפִּ֥יד אֵשׁ֙ בְּעָמִ֔יר וְאָֽ֨כְל֜וּ עַל־יָמִ֧ין וְעַל־שְׂמֹ֛אול אֶת־כָּל־הָֽעַמִּ֖ים סָבִ֑יב וְיָֽשְׁבָ֨ה יְרֽוּשָׁלִַ֥ם ע֛וֹד תַּחְתֶּ֖יהָ בִּירֽוּשָׁלִָֽם:

7And the Lord shall first save the tents of Judah, so that the boasting of the house of David and the boasting of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not increase over Judah. זוְהוֹשִׁ֧יעַ יְהֹוָ֛ה אֶת־אָֽהֳלֵ֥י יְהוּדָ֖ה בָּרִֽאשֹׁנָ֑ה לְמַ֨עַן לֹֽא־תִגְדַּ֜ל תִּפְאֶ֣רֶת בֵּֽית־דָּוִ֗יד וְתִפְאֶ֛רֶת ישֵׁ֥ב יְרֽוּשָׁלִַ֖ם עַל־יְהוּדָֽה:

8On that day the Lord shall protect the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the weakest of them shall be, on that day, like David. And the house of David shall be like angels, like the angel of the Lord before them. חבַּיּ֣וֹם הַה֗וּא יָגֵ֚ן יְהֹוָה֙ בְּעַד֙ יוֹשֵׁ֣ב יְרֽוּשָׁלִַ֔ם וְהָיָ֞ה הַנִּכְשָׁ֥ל בָּהֶ֛ם בַּיּ֥וֹם הַה֖וּא כְּדָוִ֑יד וּבֵ֚ית דָּוִיד֙ כֵּֽאלֹהִ֔ים כְּמַלְאַ֥ךְ יְהֹוָ֖ה לִפְנֵיהֶֽם:

9And it shall come to pass on that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come upon Jerusalem. טוְהָיָ֖ה בַּיּ֣וֹם הַה֑וּא אֲבַקֵּ֗שׁ לְהַשְׁמִיד֙ אֶת־כָּל־הַגּוֹיִ֔ם הַבָּאִ֖ים עַל־יְרֽוּשָׁלִָֽם:

10And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplications. And they shall look to me because of those who have been thrust through [with swords], and they shall mourn over it as one mourns over an only son and shall be in bitterness, therefore, as one is embittered over a firstborn son. יוְשָׁפַכְתִּי֩ עַל־בֵּ֨ית דָּוִ֜יד וְעַ֣ל | יוֹשֵׁ֣ב יְרֽוּשָׁלַ֗םִ ר֚וּחַ חֵן֙ וְתַ֣חֲנוּנִ֔ים וְהִבִּ֥יטוּ אֵלַ֖י אֵ֣ת אֲשֶׁר־דָּקָ֑רוּ וְסָֽפְד֣וּ עָלָ֗יו כְּמִסְפֵּד֙ עַל־הַיָּחִ֔יד וְהָמֵ֥ר עָלָ֖יו כְּהָמֵ֥ר עַֽל־הַבְּכֽוֹר:

11On that day there shall be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the Valley of Megiddon. יאבַּיּ֣וֹם הַה֗וּא יִגְדַּ֚ל הַמִּסְפֵּד֙ בִּיר֣וּשָׁלִַ֔ם כְּמִסְפַּ֥ד הֲדַדְרִמּ֖וֹן בְּבִקְעַ֥ת מְגִדּֽוֹן:

12And the land shall mourn, every family apart: The family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart. יבוְסָֽפְדָ֣ה הָאָ֔רֶץ מִשְׁפָּח֥וֹת מִשְׁפָּח֖וֹת לְבָ֑ד מִשְׁפַּ֨חַת בֵּֽית־דָּוִ֚יד לְבָד֙ וּנְשֵׁיהֶ֣ם לְבָ֔ד מִשְׁפַּ֚חַת בֵּֽית־נָתָן֙ לְבָ֔ד וּנְשֵׁיהֶ֖ם לְבָֽד:

13The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of the Shimeites apart, and their wives apart. יגמִשְׁפַּ֚חַת בֵּֽית־לֵוִי֙ לְבָ֔ד וּנְשֵׁיהֶ֖ם לְבָ֑ד מִשְׁפַּ֚חַת הַשִּׁמְעִי֙ לְבָ֔ד וּנְשֵׁיהֶ֖ם לְבָֽד:

14All the remaining families-every family apart, and their wives apart. ידכֹּ֗ל הַמִּשְׁפָּחוֹת֙ הַנִּשְׁאָר֔וֹת מִשְׁפָּחֹ֥ת מִשְׁפָּחֹ֖ת לְבָ֑ד וּנְשֵׁיהֶ֖ם לְבָֽד:

see verse 1 i pointed out to you. it has got nothing to do with a future messiah. it is about the Jewish people and what they are passing through., he is trying to give them hope.

those interested in this convo, should read both chapters and point out where it talks about a messiah or jesus....i am willing to admit i was wrong.

sonmvayina:
let me actually post the entire Zachariah chapter 2, you just select some few verses and run away with it. it won't make sense. let us read the whole of chapter 2 the way Zachariah wrote it in Hebrew/Aramaic and translated to English.
Zachariah chapter 2



where did you see talk of the messiah there. i keep telling you to read it in context, you keep selecting some verses, how will it make any sense to you or anybody?
read the story, that's when you understand the gist/message the writer is passing. if you remove some verses from the narrative, you will run into error and come out clutching at straws. read it from the beginning, then you understand the flow of information. Maxindhouse is also guilty of it.

then lets put chapter 12 into proper perspective.



see verse 1 i pointed out to you. it has got nothing to do with a future messiah. it is about the Jewish people and what they are passing through., he is trying to give them hope.

Dont worry, let me paste the entire Chapter 2 for you so you can be informed

2 I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.

2 Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof.

3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him,

4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein:

5 For I, saith the Lord, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.

6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord.

7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

8 For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me.

10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord.

11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

12 And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.

13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the Lord: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation.

Now, put chapter 13 into proper perspective.

sonmvayina:
those interested in this convo, should read both chapters and point out where it talks about a messiah or jesus....i am willing to admit i was wrong.

Please, those interested, could just read Zachariah 2.10 and tell us what you think. You could still read the entire chapter if you have the time.

Truthseeker10:
I have given you screenshot evidence of you saying that Hebrews 1:8 does not say that Jesus is the Almighty God.

so if Jesus is not an Almighty God according to Hebrews 1:8, what is the essence of the verse calling Jesus "God"?

Which part of the English language do you not understand

I still challenge you to quote EXACTLY where I said that "Jesus is not the "Almighty God" in Hebrews 1:8" otherwise, you are the TRUE son of your father.

sonmvayina:
those interested in this convo, should read both chapters and point out where it talks about a messiah or jesus....i am willing to admit i was wrong.

So this AI prompt should clear your doubt.
Prompt- Zechariah 2:8-11, give me the original version and the unbiased translation to english. Please do this independently and do not refer to the works of other scholars or other translations

The result

Here is Zechariah 2:8–11 presented directly from the Hebrew text, followed by a careful, independent English translation that sticks to grammar and meaning only—no borrowing from existing Bible versions, no commentary, no theology added.

📜 Original Hebrew (Masoretic Text)
Zechariah 2:8

כִּי כֹה אָמַר יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת
אַחַר כָּבוֹד שְׁלָחַנִי אֶל־הַגּוֹיִם הַשֹּׁלְלִים אֶתְכֶם
כִּי הַנֹּגֵעַ בָּכֶם נֹגֵעַ בְּבָבַת עֵינוֹ

Zechariah 2:9

כִּי הִנְנִי מֵנִיף אֶת־יָדִי עֲלֵיהֶם
וְהָיוּ שָׁלָל לְעַבְדֵיהֶם
וִידַעְתֶּם כִּי יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת שְׁלָחָנִי

Zechariah 2:10

רָנִּי וְשִׂמְחִי בַּת־צִיּוֹן
כִּי הִנְנִי בָא וְשָׁכַנְתִּי בְתוֹכֵךְ
נְאֻם יְהוָה

Zechariah 2:11

וְנִלְווּ גוֹיִם רַבִּים אֶל־יְהוָה בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא
וְהָיוּ לִי לְעָם
וְשָׁכַנְתִּי בְתוֹכֵךְ
וְיָדַעַתְּ כִּי יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת שְׁלָחַנִי אֵלָיִךְ

🧠 Independent, Unbiased English Translation
Zechariah 2:8

For this is what YHWH of hosts says:
After glory, He sent me to the nations that plundered you,
for the one who touches you touches the pupil of His eye.

Zechariah 2:9

For look—I am about to wave My hand over them,
and they will become spoil for those who served them.
Then you will know that YHWH of hosts has sent me.

Zechariah 2:10

Shout for joy and rejoice, daughter of Zion,
for look—I am coming, and I will dwell in your midst,
declares YHWH.

Zechariah 2:11

And many nations will join themselves to YHWH in that day,
and they will become My people.
And I will dwell in your midst,
and you will know that YHWH of hosts has sent me to you.

🔍 Key Linguistic Observations (not interpretation)

I’ll keep this strictly grammatical and textual.

1️⃣ “He sent me” / “I will dwell”

The speaker says:

“He sent me”

“I will dwell in your midst”

This alternation of first person (“I”) and being sent is explicit in the Hebrew.

2️⃣ “After glory”

אַחַר כָּבוֹד (achar kavod) literally means “after glory”

No object or explanation is supplied in Hebrew

Any attempt to explain whose glory or what glory would be interpretive

3️⃣ “Pupil of His eye”

בְּבָבַת עֵינוֹ is a precise idiom meaning:

the most sensitive, protected part

The possessive “His” is explicit in Hebrew

4️⃣ “Many nations will join themselves”

נִלְווּ (nilvu) means to attach, join closely

This is covenantal language, not merely political alliance

5️⃣ Repetition is intentional

“I will dwell in your midst” appears twice

“YHWH of hosts has sent me” appears twice

Hebrew prophecy often uses repetition to mark emphasis, not redundancy

🧩 What this text forces the reader to notice (without explaining it)

YHWH speaks

Someone is sent by YHWH

That same speaker says “I am coming” and “I will dwell among you”

Nations join themselves to YHWH, not merely to Israel

Those are textual facts, not interpretations.

If you want next, I can:

Diagram who is speaking, line by line

Compare this passage internally with Zechariah 12

Analyze the “sent me” formula across the Hebrew Bible

Or strip it down verse-by-verse, word-by-word

Just say the word.

tctrills:
So this AI prompt should clear your doubt.
Prompt- Zechariah 2:8-11, give me the original version and the unbiased translation to english. Please do this independently and do not refer to the works of other scholars or other translations

The result

Here is Zechariah 2:8–11 presented directly from the Hebrew text, followed by a careful, independent English translation that sticks to grammar and meaning only—no borrowing from existing Bible versions, no commentary, no theology added.

📜 Original Hebrew (Masoretic Text)
Zechariah 2:8

כִּי כֹה אָמַר יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת
אַחַר כָּבוֹד שְׁלָחַנִי אֶל־הַגּוֹיִם הַשֹּׁלְלִים אֶתְכֶם
כִּי הַנֹּגֵעַ בָּכֶם נֹגֵעַ בְּבָבַת עֵינוֹ

Zechariah 2:9

כִּי הִנְנִי מֵנִיף אֶת־יָדִי עֲלֵיהֶם
וְהָיוּ שָׁלָל לְעַבְדֵיהֶם
וִידַעְתֶּם כִּי יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת שְׁלָחָנִי

Zechariah 2:10

רָנִּי וְשִׂמְחִי בַּת־צִיּוֹן
כִּי הִנְנִי בָא וְשָׁכַנְתִּי בְתוֹכֵךְ
נְאֻם יְהוָה

Zechariah 2:11

וְנִלְווּ גוֹיִם רַבִּים אֶל־יְהוָה בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא
וְהָיוּ לִי לְעָם
וְשָׁכַנְתִּי בְתוֹכֵךְ
וְיָדַעַתְּ כִּי יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת שְׁלָחַנִי אֵלָיִךְ

🧠 Independent, Unbiased English Translation
Zechariah 2:8

For this is what YHWH of hosts says:
After glory, He sent me to the nations that plundered you,
for the one who touches you touches the pupil of His eye.

Zechariah 2:9

For look—I am about to wave My hand over them,
and they will become spoil for those who served them.
Then you will know that YHWH of hosts has sent me.

Zechariah 2:10

Shout for joy and rejoice, daughter of Zion,
for look—I am coming, and I will dwell in your midst,
declares YHWH.

Zechariah 2:11

And many nations will join themselves to YHWH in that day,
and they will become My people.
And I will dwell in your midst,
and you will know that YHWH of hosts has sent me to you.

🔍 Key Linguistic Observations (not interpretation)

I’ll keep this strictly grammatical and textual.

1️⃣ “He sent me” / “I will dwell”

The speaker says:

“He sent me”

“I will dwell in your midst”

This alternation of first person (“I”) and being sent is explicit in the Hebrew.

2️⃣ “After glory”

אַחַר כָּבוֹד (achar kavod) literally means “after glory”

No object or explanation is supplied in Hebrew

Any attempt to explain whose glory or what glory would be interpretive

3️⃣ “Pupil of His eye”

בְּבָבַת עֵינוֹ is a precise idiom meaning:

the most sensitive, protected part

The possessive “His” is explicit in Hebrew

4️⃣ “Many nations will join themselves”

נִלְווּ (nilvu) means to attach, join closely

This is covenantal language, not merely political alliance

5️⃣ Repetition is intentional

“I will dwell in your midst” appears twice

“YHWH of hosts has sent me” appears twice

Hebrew prophecy often uses repetition to mark emphasis, not redundancy

🧩 What this text forces the reader to notice (without explaining it)

YHWH speaks

Someone is sent by YHWH

That same speaker says “I am coming” and “I will dwell among you”

Nations join themselves to YHWH, not merely to Israel

Those are textual facts, not interpretations.

If you want next, I can:

Diagram who is speaking, line by line

Compare this passage internally with Zechariah 12

Analyze the “sent me” formula across the Hebrew Bible

Or strip it down verse-by-verse, word-by-word

Just say the word.

it is the book of Zachariah we are talking about oh.
he is referring to himself., he was the one sent by God.
common man, if he was referring to someone else, he would have used him or her as the case may be. it is first person singular....
hahahahah, you fall my hand...
the nations that plundered them is Babylon and persia as at that time....

tctrills:
Please, those interested, could just read Zachariah 2.10 and tell us what you think. You could still read the entire chapter if you have the time.

you keep removing a text out of a story, why?

what do you think you will learn like that?

it is a continuous narrative, why are you removing a line from a story?

just imagine you removing one sentence form things fall apart? what are you going to learn from it? nothing.....it's not going to tell you anything about the message in the story.
why are you not getting what I am saying??

sonmvayina:
you keep removing a text out of a story, why?

what do you think you will learn like that?

it is a continuous narrative, why are you removing a line from a story?

just imagine you removing one sentence form things fall apart? what are you going to learn from it? nothing.....it's not going to tell you anything about the message in the story.
why are you not getting what I am saying??

Oga, I did not remove anything, its copy and paste. If you don't believe me, can you please copy and paste the verse from the KJV bible to show what I have removed? You are accusing me of dishonesty, so you have to prove it

sonmvayina:
it is the book of Zachariah we are talking about oh.
he is referring to himself., he was the one sent by God.
common man, if he was referring to someone else, he would have used him or her as the case may be. it is first person singular....
hahahahah, you fall my hand...
the nations that plundered them is Babylon and persia as at that time....

I Just gave you the unbiased translation. Read verse 11
Zechariah 2:11

And many nations will join themselves to YHWH in that day,
and they will become My people.
And I will dwell in your midst,
and you will know that YHWH of hosts has sent me to you.

It's ok if you don't accept the bible or its teaching, but let's not act like we can't see what it is teaching

sonmvayina:
it is the book of Zachariah we are talking about oh.
he is referring to himself., he was the one sent by God.
common man, if he was referring to someone else, he would have used him or her as the case may be. it is first person singular....
hahahahah, you fall my hand...
the nations that plundered them is Babylon and persia as at that time....

Let's assume ChatGPT is not good enough for you. So let's try the same prompt in Grok.
Here you go,
Original Hebrew Text (Masoretic Text, standard form):
Zechariah 2:8–11 (Hebrew verse numbering; note: in some English Bibles, this is Zechariah 2:12–15 due to different verse division):
Verse 8: כִּי כֹה אָמַר יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת אַחַר כָּבוֹד שְׁלָחַנִי אֶל־הַגּוֹיִם הַשֹּׁלְלִים אֶתְכֶם כִּי הַנֹּגֵעַ בָּכֶם נֹגֵעַ בְּאִישׁוֹן בַּתְעֵינוֹ
Verse 9: כִּי הִנְנִי מֵנִיף אֶת־יָדִי עֲלֵיהֶם וְהָיוּ שָׁלָל לְעַבְדֵיהֶם וִידַעְתֶּם כִּי־יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת שְׁלָחָנִי
Verse 10: רָנִּי וְשִׂמְחִי בַּת־צִיּוֹן כִּי הִנְנִי־בָא וְשָׁכַנְתִּי בְתוֹכֵךְ נְאֻם־יְהוָה
Verse 11: וְנִלְווּ גוֹיִם רַבִּים אֶל־יְהוָה בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא וְהָיוּ לִי לְעָם וְשָׁכַנְתִּי בְתוֹכֵךְ וְיָדַעַתְּ כִּי־יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת שְׁלָחַנִי אֵלָיִךְ
Literal word-for-word English translation (strictly from the Hebrew, no smoothing, no bias, no influence from any existing translation or commentary):
Verse 8: For thus says YHWH of hosts: After glory he-sent-me to the nations the-plundering you, for the-one-touching in-you touches in-the-pupil-of daughter-of his-eye.
Verse 9: For behold-me I-raise my-hand upon-them and-they-shall-be plunder to-their-servants and-you-shall-know that YHWH of hosts sent-me.
Verse 10: Shout-for-joy and-rejoice daughter-of Zion for behold-me coming and-I-will-dwell in-your-midst declaration-of YHWH.
Verse 11: And-they-shall-join nations many to YHWH in-the-day the-that and-they-shall-be to-me for-people and-I-will-dwell in-your-midst and-you-shall-know that YHWH of hosts sent-me to-you.
Slightly connected but still strictly literal version (only minimal connecting words for basic readability, no interpretation added):
And thus says YHWH of hosts: After glory he sent me to the nations plundering you, for whoever touches you touches the pupil of his eye.
For behold, I will raise my hand against them, and they shall become plunder for their servants, and you shall know that YHWH of hosts has sent me.
Shout for joy and rejoice, O daughter of Zion, for behold, I am coming and I will dwell in your midst, declaration of YHWH.
And many nations shall join themselves to YHWH in that day, and they shall be to me a people, and I will dwell in your midst, and you shall know that YHWH of hosts has sent me to you.
This is a direct rendering from the Hebrew words and grammar alone, without any external influence, smoothing, or theological adjustment.

tctrills:
Dont worry, let me paste the entire Chapter 2 for you so you can be informed

2 I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.

2 Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof.

3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him,

4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein:

5 For I, saith the Lord, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.

6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord.

7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

8 For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me.

10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord.

11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

12 And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.

13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the Lord: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation.

Now, put chapter 13 into proper perspective.

it is the same thing I have been saying.
Zachariah was sent to the nations that plundered Israel and Judah.
he is telling them that when God has come to dwell with his people, so they will enjoy his protection.
The chapter started with a vision of an angel measuring Jerusalem, then a second angel told the first to tell Zachariah that Jerusalem will be inhabited again, because God will be a fire round it to protect it, God was telling those at the north to come to Jerusalem as he he will be it's glory, and those who are also in Babylon should return because it was God who scattered them abroad. Them God said he will shake his hand and those who enslaved his people will be spoiled to their elites
God said zion should rejoice because he is in their midst, and when they see the salvation of Jerusalem, many nations will want to be part of it. and when they see this happening, they will know it was God who sent Zachariah and God will still choose Judah and Jerusalem again and enjoying all flesh to be silent and that God has left his holy dwelling place.

No j-man there, not a messianic prophecy.

sonmvayina:
it is the same thing I have been saying.
Zachariah was sent to the nations that plundered Israel and Judah.
he is telling them that when God has come to dwell with his people, so they will enjoy his protection.
The chapter started with a vision of an angel measuring Jerusalem, then a second angel told the first to tell Zachariah that Jerusalem will be inhabited again, because God will be a fire round it to protect it, God was telling those at the north to come to Jerusalem as he he will be it's glory, and those who are also in Babylon should return because it was God who scattered them abroad. Them God said he will shake his hand and those who enslaved his people will be spoiled to their elites
God said zion should rejoice because he is in their midst, and when they see the salvation of Jerusalem, many nations will want to be part of it. and when they see this happening, they will know it was God who sent Zachariah and God will still choose Judah and Jerusalem again and enjoying all flesh to be silent and that God has left his holy dwelling place.

No j-man there, not a messianic prophecy.

Lol, not only did this text not say so, but please, where is your evidence that Zachariah raised his hand against the evil nations and made them plunder for their servants, and so that we shall know that YHWH of hosts has sent him?
I feel you are reading a different text from the one in the bible. There is no evidence that Zachariah was sent and saved Israel from its enemies. It never happened.

sonmvayina:
it is the same thing I have been saying.
Zachariah was sent to the nations that plundered Israel and Judah.
he is telling them that when God has come to dwell with his people, so they will enjoy his protection.
The chapter started with a vision of an angel measuring Jerusalem, then a second angel told the first to tell Zachariah that Jerusalem will be inhabited again, because God will be a fire round it to protect it, God was telling those at the north to come to Jerusalem as he he will be it's glory, and those who are also in Babylon should return because it was God who scattered them abroad. Them God said he will shake his hand and those who enslaved his people will be spoiled to their elites
God said zion should rejoice because he is in their midst, and when they see the salvation of Jerusalem, many nations will want to be part of it. and when they see this happening, they will know it was God who sent Zachariah and God will still choose Judah and Jerusalem again and enjoying all flesh to be silent and that God has left his holy dwelling place.

No j-man there, not a messianic prophecy.

Your point is that God sent Zachariah to the nations, right? Mention the nations he went to and what he did there. How come there is no evidence of Zachariah going to these nations?
Please read verse 11 again
And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

tctrills:
Your point is that God sent Zachariah to the nations, right? Mention the nations he went to and what he did there. How come there is no evidence of Zachariah going to these nations?
Please read verse 11 again
And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

what is it you are pointing to...The me there is Zachariah. he is the one writing. he is the prophet that God sent.....if he was referring to someone else, he would use him or her....

it is straight forward. context is key.

tctrills:
Lol, not only did this text not say so, but please, where is your evidence that Zachariah raised his hand against the evil nations and made them plunder for their servants, and so that we shall know that YHWH of hosts has sent him?
I feel you are reading a different text from the one in the bible. There is no evidence that Zachariah was sent and saved Israel from its enemies. It never happened.

you are not even understanding what you are reading that's why you are all over the place. it is Zachariah that is writing, he is the me in the passages. read from the beginning to the end, stop removing text. some interpreting or explaining text in isolation.....put it back to its proper context...

tctrills:
I Just gave you the unbiased translation. Read verse 11
Zechariah 2:11

And many nations will join themselves to YHWH in that day,
and they will become My people.
And I will dwell in your midst,
and you will know that YHWH of hosts has sent me to you.

It's ok if you don't accept the bible or its teaching, but let's not act like we can't see what it is teaching

why are you isolating text from its proper context?

tctrills:
Oga, I did not remove anything, its copy and paste. If you don't believe me, can you please copy and paste the verse from the KJV bible to show what I have removed? You are accusing me of dishonesty, so you have to prove it

why are you isolating a line from its proper context? you will never understand the gist in the story.
put it back and read the story and learn the message the prophet was passing...
you will just take one line or sentence out of a narrative and expect to get the gist in the story, just how??

sonmvayina:
why are you isolating a line from its proper context? you will never understand the gist in the story.
put it back and read the story and learn the message the prophet was passing...
you will just take one line or sentence out of a narrative and expect to get the gist in the story, just how??

Oga if you claim I removed something, please add it for all to see and stop wasting my time

sonmvayina:
why are you isolating text from its proper context?

Explain yourself