₦airaland Forum

KingTom:
? ? ? From where to where abeg??

rabazamba:
Is this a thinly veiled dig? You're pointing the obvious bros yes they knack soldiers wives all day long, it is what it is. You want to compare soldiers who are forced to fight to defend their country to a man who had an altercation with security forces and was unfortunately murdered in the process? Talk another thing Chief that one no follow abeg. You gave a perfect example using the EFCC earlier on or even SARS

rabazamba:
I hate avoidable deaths, in the so-called saner clime he's in, will his family ever get justice for this murder? Worst case scenario the republicans lose their majority in the midterms and Trump is impeached, will that bring him back? Erecting 10 statues on the streets would it bring him back?

GloriousGbola:
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rabazamba:
You are a black man in America, it is common sense that you avoid anything law enforcement before they pump bullets into you for no reason and deprive your people of their son, while I do not support your black republican agenda I recognise that sometimes we need to value our lives and pick our fights. Like that boy who obstructed a Major General's convoy in traffic a few months ago, he was given a proper beating despite his cries of being sick, after all is said and done, how many of us here who were dropping think pieces still remember the boy's matter? If he was killed then that's still how he'd have been forgotten

“We had this discussion with him two weeks ago or so, you know, that go ahead and protest, but do not engage, do not do anything stupid, basically,” Michael Pretti, Alex’s father, told The Associated Press. “And he said he knows that. He knew that.”
https://coloradosun.com/2026/01/24/colorado-parents-minneapolis-protester-shot-killed/

rabazamba:
I hate avoidable deaths, in the so-called saner clime he's in, will his family ever get justice for this murder? Worst case scenario the republicans lose their majority in the midterms and Trump is impeached, will that bring him back? Erecting 10 statues on the streets would it bring him back?

raumdeuter:
It not even about being a black man in America
You are a black man in Nigeria and I believe you will not do that acts and go confront law enforcement regularly
These 2 people shot were white people in America and millions of white people who are not going to confront law enforcement are safe in their house
We have been youths at some point and we some people here who have kids who are youths, One of the first things your parents will warn you about is not to confront law enforcement

This Pretti guy who was killed was also warned by his parents, Why do you think his parents who are also white people in America warned him not to go confront law enforcement? Maybe because they have common sense and know that such endeavor can end very bad

His parents, who live in Colorado, urged him to be cautious. Why do you think the parents who are whites in America warned him about such behavior? Its basic common sense whether its Nigeria, Argentina, Syria, Belgium, SriLanka or Canada.

raumdeuter:
I guess many years of seeing lives lost makes you appreciate it being alive more. Going to confront law enforcement has a potential to go wrong

Many guys we entered Uni together, they didnt finish alive because they got shot during riots, Most of us their mates and friends have forgotten then and moved on, Max they will name University Lecture theatres and TV rooms after you. which in 20yrs time they will change and wipe off while your family continue to moan the loss, especially something as sensible as "Do not confront/disrupt armed law enforcement"

GloriousGbola:
This is a civil rights march
Do you think it was safe? Do you think it was within the confines of the law in the deep south? Do you think the people who marched or sat in were not at risk?
This Is ruby bridges. Was she at risk being the first integrated black student?
That is Paul Rusesabagina of hotel rwanda who sheltered over a 1000 people when the govt was backing their extermination (within the law)
Hopefully if you are ever in a situation where you are being unfairly bound by the law, there will be an emotional person who will ignore logic, ignore the law, ignore the threat to himself and stand up for you.

GloriousGbola:
The reason why cultism was truncated in ife was because of the deaths of the ife 5,is it not?

You lived in a country with a thriving democracy because there were citizens who would always stand up to so called constituted authority. The countries where people adopt the mindset you are championing are countries like cameroon or Rwanda or Uganda where we have president for life.
We might have been ruled for life by abacha, by obj, or ruled for life by turai yardua, even gej

We all saw how attahiru jega stood up during the 2015 elections. Maybe he should have done what you would have advised in a situation like that.
The freedoms you take for granted wherever you may be, some people bled for them, some people died for them. Freedom and rights are not dashed out by benevolent autocrats or dictators.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
The way this terrorist are scoring high kill against our military. I just dey wonder wetin dey occur. Can't advice a relative or friend to join the military

raumdeuter:
Its convoluted how you try to argue APPLES is ORANGES
Cultism is ILLEGAL students fought against what is ILLEGAL
Attahiru Jega following and declaring the right winner is LEGAL
Turai Yar Adua was ILLEGAL to sit tight
ICE enforcement is LEGAL, You are fighting against what is legal by confronting armed law enforcement
You seem to conflate defending what is LEGAL vs defending what is ILLEGAL

What will be equal is if you start attacking EFCC for picking up Yahoo boys or attacking Nigerian Immigration officers for rounding up Malians and Chadians because you do not agree with them

GloriousGbola:
Was it legal to hide Jews in ww2?
Was it legal to swear in gej via a non existent doctrine of necessity?
Was it legal to hide 1000 tutsis in a hotel in Rwanda?
Was it legal to fight jim crow laws?
Was it legal for EFCC to storm Mike adengas house?
Is it legal for police to open people's phones
Is it legal for sars to harass youths

Because according to your doctrine, if police stop me and demand to look in my phone, I am supposed to accept that they are law enforcement even if they don't actually have the right to do so?

Is it legal for me to fight EFCC officers who jump into my compound at 2am with no warning?

raumdeuter:
The video shows he was part of a coordinated gang of agitators who disrupt ICE activities all over the state

He regularly injects himself into law enforcement work and unfortunately got killed in one of those incidents he has been instigating

Chances of getting hurt increases when you consistently go to antagonize law enforcement who are already edgy

Jamiuokolaa:
This doesn't by any means, justify his brutal execution in public domain.
What are you even trying to support here?
Haba!

MorataFC:
Who are the good men?

GloriousGbola:
Do you know how many avoidable deaths over decades came up in the fight for civil rights in America?

Or in nazi Germany?

What is the difference between the man killed and Oscar schindler or the hotel Rwanda guy or anyone who hid Jews during ww2?

raumdeuter:
Where do you see me justify his shooting or claim it was right to kill him?

If you engage in risky behavior you are likely to have consequence you don't like

You cannot continue to nack OS raw and say you are shocked that one of the consequence is STD because you did it last month and got away with it

There are consequences to every actions in life. There is a reason I believe you wont act in that manner and even his own parents warned him against such actions

Ballzproblem2:
‭Ezekiel 37:12 NIV‬
[12] Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Isra el.

raumdeuter:
Where do you see me justify his shooting or claim it was right to kill him?
If you engage in risky behavior you are likely to have consequence you don't like
You cannot continue to nack OS raw and say you are shocked that one of the consequence is STD because you did it last month and got away with it
There are consequences to every actions in life. There is a reason I believe you wont act in that manner and even his own parents warned him against such actions
The next question is that when this consequence comes, Am I okay with facing it?

rabazamba:
Genocide during wartime is now being compared to overzealous law enforcement officers?

raumdeuter:
You can see all in this pictures holding posters and protesting. I don't know how many of them were trying to burn properties, run over police with cars like Renee Goode or going not physical struggles with Policemen like Alex Pretti
Why do you think the parents of Alex Pretti warned him against such behaviors? Maybe there is something they know about consequences of such behaviors

If you do not agree with the law, then vote and get your representatives to change it. Many conservatives did not like Biden era open border policies, they did not like censorship, they did not like covid mandates but they waited for elections and voted him out.

The first black student who went into a mixed school was followed by Federal Marshall meaning she had legal backing and law enforcement on her side

Emotions is not law and its not logic, In many cases emotions do not solve issues and get you into trouble

I don't like the IRS, Many Nigerians do not like the Tax laws nor EFCC should I take my car and start ramming IRS vehicles? or encourage others to do that? What will society devolve into if we use emotions to encourage breakdown of law and order. Do you think you can survive in a society where everyone ignores law and order and follow what their emotions tell them

Sportsweb:
But why can't this ICE Agents handle things calmly. They already know all eyes on them. What stops them from disarming that man and arresting him? Instead bam bam bam, pumping bullets on him? Arrest him and charge him to court.
Even the Reene good woman, instead of using bullets on her, why not shoot the tyre, subdue her and arrest her..
Must everything be FORCE and BULLET in that America sef

Jamiuokolaa:
No one is defending his confrontational behaviour. That isn’t the point. The real issue is that he paid the ultimate price for actions that never warranted anything close to that outcome.

Focusing on his foolish actions now feels like a deliberate distraction — a way to shift attention away from the shocking and bizarre public execution the world just witnessed.

GloriousGbola:
below is the reality of the civil rights marches and how martin lither king was seen at the time

https://www.instagram.com/p/DPgf8VLDsPY/

those are policemen attacking a civil rights marcher

do you really think the rights you have were just dashed out?

https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&client=firefox-b-d&hs=vFv9&sca_esv=ae1e161c6b0f2947&sxsrf=ANbL-n4Ci7GFkMPwb4kqA9mBWttYPMqrXQ:1769721549841&udm=2&fbs=ADc_l-aN0CWEZBOHjofHoaMMDiKpaEWjvZ2Py1XXV8d8KvlI3jljrY5CkLlk8Dq3IvwBz-SJyfRX_inP-J3Cs9lQZu9Jfs7bKPahJnRsHKc4onwyDkrjY-kgOxqZVQyzOujG7uvxkAmxNbM3l__9ATb4gwmgusnuX-0dD4UPtONH4jqpaoF739sGT7EucjpbJCsyy-4Qn1fq7KwxAljdRupmETwgkJdSRQ&q=dogs+against+civil+rights&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj9itHC1rGSAxVyv4kEHSyFHIkQtKgLegQIEhAB&biw=1728&bih=815&dpr=1.11&aic=0#sv=CAMSVhoyKhBlLVhDcVdzY2xzc1hHemhNMg5YQ3FXc2Nsc3NYR3poTToOanBndHprSjlWQmUwUE0gBCocCgZtb3NhaWMSEGUtWENxV3NjbHNzWEd6aE0YADABGAcghM7Z-gcwAkoKCAEQAhgCIAIoAg
i googled dogs vs civil rights
i am sure there were people then echoing the exact thing you are saying right now - just cooperate with law enforcment and everything will be fine
the irony is that you regularly talk about encounters with plaice in nigeria. and you know their harassment had NOTHING to do with enforcing the law but with bullying, shakedowns and general beef.

Sportsweb:
But why can't this ICE Agents handle things calmly. They already know all eyes on them. What stops them from disarming that man and arresting him? Instead bam bam bam, pumping bullets on him? Arrest him and charge him to court.

Even the Reene good woman, instead of using bullets on her, why not shoot the tyre, subdue her and arrest her..

Must everything be FORCE and BULLET in that America sef

GloriousGbola:
because THAT is the point. it is not about enforcing the law, it is about intimidation of trumps political enemies. GEJ caried teh army into ekiti to prosecute an election. they blocked off all the roads.

what you are seeing is federal might to initimidate

ice budget is now 84 billion. from 10 billion

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/MN
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/tx

texas has almost 2 million illegal immigrants
minnesota has 100,000

so why is ICE not showing up in force in texas to sort out their criminal immigrant problem?

raumdeuter:
MLK was known for his peaceful protest, he was not using his car to ram law enforcement officers. He knew better than not to do that which is why he is celebrated, He protested within the ambit of the law

King was jailed several times. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) director J. Edgar Hoover considered King a radical and made him an object of COINTELPRO from 1963. FBI agents investigated him for possible communist ties, spied on his personal life, and secretly recorded him. In 1964, the FBI mailed King a threatening anonymous letter, which he interpreted as an attempt to make him commit suicide.[3] King won the 1964 Nobel Peace Prize for combating racial inequality through nonviolent resistance. In his final years, he expanded his focus to include opposition towards poverty and the Vietnam War.

In 1968, King was planning a national occupation of Washington, D.C., to be called the Poor People's Campaign, when he was assassinated on April 4 in Memphis, Tennessee. James Earl Ray was convicted of the assassination, though it remains the subject of conspiracy theories. King's death led to riots in US cities. King was posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1977 and Congressional Gold Medal in 2003. Martin Luther King Jr. Day was established as a holiday in cities and states throughout the United States beginning in 1971; the federal holiday was first observed in 1986. The Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., was dedicated in 2011.

Its not in your place or any citizens place to dictate how law enforcement does their job, if they say your compound is an area of interest to them in doing their work, no matter how it pisses you off, you do not have the right to stop them

raumdeuter:
You think about it if the Medical doctor does not have guns at home that's how invaders whether EFCC, UGM, kidnappers will feast on him. Just imagine 2hat would have been his fate if he didn't have a gun and that of his family. Nigeria that doesn't even have any police line and you are at the mercies of thugs.

Like those men who were begging 1 million boys during lockdown

This is even a good advert why you need guns instead of waiting for non existent security agencies or reciting psalms

raumdeuter:
You have asked this question before an I will like to clarify that Texas local authorities cooperate with ICE, Minnesota local authorities are saying they will not cooperate with ICE

If Texas have 5000 local law enforcement who cooperate with ICE and work together to protect them, why will CE need to deploy more people in Texas? vs in Minnesota where they have a policy not to cooperate with ICE

If there is a known illegal in the area in Texas, the local law enforcement will inform ICE, if in jail they will put a ICE detainer on him meaning once he serves his jail term they will hand him to ICE, Minnesota does not do that and ICE have to do all the work by themselves which is why they needed more people

Its simple, If for example US army is having an operation in Nigeria and Nigerian army cooperates, why will you need and escalation in Nigeria and thousands of US forces vs a country that does not cooperate

GloriousGbola:
that is revisionism

did you not see that is his daugher speaking from direct expereince
MLK was hated . MLK was jailed
please tell us if you are defending actions lie this for the record
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=472741745301165
if efcc says your hotel is an area of interest they have the right to storm in in the middle of the night without a warrant like a gang of armed robbers?

no be you be this - equating efcc with ugm and kidnappers