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honesttalk21:
Leaving faith is worse than unbelievers.

In Israel if a stranger is found among them note that such a person may be an idolater who doesn't know the laws of their God yet their God doesn't condemn such a person while the one who turns against the divine laws must be stoned to death.
Rahab was a prostitute in Jericho but she was spared for being friends of God's people while a prostitute found in Israel is to be stoned to death.
So abandoning the faith is worse than not knowing the faith at all, God loves the one who doesn't know the faith than the one who turns against it after knowing it! Hebrews 10:28-28

MaxInDHouse:
Is Islamic punishment authorized in the Quran God's or human's judgement.🙂

Islamic punishment amongst humans is prescribed for social transgression and where it should further be punished in the hereafter Allah will decide. Allah doesn't recommend punishment for individual belief.

honesttalk21:
Islamic punishment amongst humans is prescribed for social transgression and where it should further be punished in the hereafter Allah will decide. Allah doesn't recommend punishment for individual belief.

Please which Islamic group do you belong to and can you boldly say this in Mecca where your people do amputate fellow believers for transgressions?😂

MaxInDHouse:
In Israel if a stranger is found among them note that such a person may be an idolater who doesn't know the laws of their God yet their God doesn't condemn such a person while the one who turns against the divine laws must be stoned to death.
Rahab was a prostitute in Jericho but she was spared for being friends of God's people while a prostitute found in Israel is to be stoned to death.
So abandoning the faith is worse than not knowing the faith at all, God loves the one who doesn't know the faith than the one who turns against it after knowing it! Hebrews 10:28-28

It only is deceptive mischief to cut out phrases from my response to reply to and you know that very well.

Mixing up God's judgment with how people enforce rules even when the New Testament clearly keeps them separate. The Mosaic punishments you mentioned were laws for ancient Israel's government, not rules meant for all believers forever. Jesus himself didn’t use those punishments (see John 8:1–11) and said God alone would handle judgment in the end (Luke 19:27).

The New Testament doesn’t teach that leaving the faith is worse than never believing when it comes to how people should treat others. Discipline is meant to help people, not punish them (Matthew 18:15–17; 2 Corinthians 2:5–8 ). Even when there’s separation, it’s done carefully not treating others like enemies (2 Thessalonians 3:15). The goal is still to stay morally connected and hope they come back.

Your interpretation turns end-times warnings into social punishment, but Jesus and the apostles didn’t support that. Jesus reached out to those who were lost; he didn’t give believers permission to cut them out.

MaxInDHouse:
Please which Islamic group do you belong to and can you boldly say this in Mecca where your people do amputate fellow believers for transgressions?😂

Is being a Muslim dependant on group membership? Amputation is a prescribed punishment following indictment after following less physical reproach and corrective measures.

honesttalk21:
The Mosaic punishments you mentioned were laws for ancient Israel's government.

That government continues among God's worshipers that's why Paul said to Christians:

While God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.” 1Corinthans 5:13

Remember that the Mosaic laws only applies within the territories of Israel so if any Israelite is not comfortable with it he or she is free to move to other places where he or she could practice whatever religion he likes.
The same still applies among true believers till today if anyone is not pleased with the way things are handled he or she should join any other religion out there nah!🙂

honesttalk21:
Is being a Muslim dependant on group membership? Amputation is a prescribed punishment following indictment after following less physical reproach and corrective measures.

Don't deceive yourself my guy there are different Islamic groups and the ways they handle matters differs o!😀

honesttalk21:
Discipline is meant to help people, not punish them.

Yet instead of shunning wrongdoers in your religion your people are KILLING them.
Please between SHUNNING so that the wrongdoer could come back begging and killing the wrongdoer are both the same?😂

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MaxInDHouse:
At least shunning and beheading those unrepentant wrongdoers is the same thing going by your own perspective.
That's a good take home.
Thanks for your contribution!🙂

Hahaha. I have no fear for shunning or beheading: JW.Org and Islam are opposite side of the same coin.

MightySparrow:
Hahaha. I have no fear for shunning or beheading: JW.Org and Islam are opposite side of the same coin.

Well said!😂

MaxInDHouse:
Yet instead of shunning wrongdoers in your religion your people are KILLING them.
Please between SHUNNING so that the wrongdoer could come back begging and killing the wrongdoer are both the same?😂

Simply shunning wrong doers tends to encourage such practice. In a bid to shun you allow social disorder. Don't over reach social order in a bid to criticise religion.

The one comes back begging because the shunning system you use makes life uncomfortable and unbearably. It's plainly force. Like if you don't bow to our ways or idols no food or air to breathe. Your statement exposes your reliance on forceful cohesion no matter how unjust.

MaxInDHouse:
Don't deceive yourself my guy there are different Islamic groups and the ways they handle matters differs o!😀

Which group did prophet Muhammad pbuh belong to? What group did he recommend?
Categorically tell how the worship practice of these groups vary regarding the core and fundamental tenets of Islam.

honesttalk21:
Simply shunning wrong doers tends to encourage such practice. In a bid to shun you allow social disorder.

It's among God's people that we shun out there are people like you to deal ruthlessly with them instead of humbly begging they will be complaining because they know it's only among us they can find true love!😀

honesttalk21:
Which group did prophet Muhammad pbuh belong to? What group did he recommend?

Muhammad belong to the group that takes racism more seriously than faith that's why racial discrimination easily affects your religion leading you people into hating, fighting and killing yourselves claiming it's land disputes!😂

honesttalk21:
Categorically tell how the worship practice of these groups vary regarding the core and fundamental tenets of Islam.

Lie!
All of you are following your blind leader {Luke 6:39} who wants to establish a religion but failed woefully to erase tribalism among you people!😂

MaxInDHouse:
Muhammad belong to the group that takes racism more seriously than faith that's why racial discrimination easily affects your religion leading you people into hating, fighting and killing yourselves claiming it's land disputes!😂


Lie!
All of you are following your blind leader {Luke 6:39} who wants to establish a religion but failed woefully to erase tribalism among you people!😂

And you got nothing more to say.

honesttalk21:
And you got nothing more to say.

Didn't Muhammad teach Muslims to fight for their country?
So Muslims in different lands will fight against Muslims claiming they are defending their country while Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) will never fight against our fellow believers instead we unitedly shun wrongdoers showing that there is no one on the side of the wrongdoer.
But as for Muslims each person supports his own tribe or race.
I'm just showing you where your religion lacks real logic!😀

MaxInDHouse:
Didn't Muhammad teach Muslims to fight for their country?
So Muslims in different lands will fight against Muslims claiming they are defending their country while Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) will never fight against our fellow believers instead we unitedly shun wrongdoers showing that there is no one on the side of the wrongdoer.
But as for Muslims each person supports his own tribe or race.
I'm just showing you where your religion lacks real logic!😀

Don't just randomly state provide some reference as we should check based on you already misunderstanding the verses of the Bible you follow.

LIE!
Can you honestly say Muhammad didn't tell his followers to fight and defend their country?😂

honesttalk21:
Don't just randomly state provide some reference as we should check based on you already misunderstanding the verses of the Bible you follow.

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honesttalk21:
Simply shunning wrong doers tends to encourage such practice. In a bid to shun you allow social disorder. Don't over reach social order in a bid to criticise religion.

The one comes back begging because the shunning system you use makes life uncomfortable and unbearably. It's plainly force. Like if you don't bow to our ways or idols no food or air to breathe. Your statement exposes your reliance on forceful cohesion no matter how unjust.

Suffocating the shunned, silent killing, emotional trauma, social distabilization, mental torture. These are the weapons fashioned against the apostates of jw.org. whereas, the scripture they are standing on is about interpersonal relationship not apostacy. Aside that, there are many people within their hood that have pointed errors in their teachings, rather than examining the teachings, they disfellowshipped them. These are angry people running down the organization in prints and social media.

Nothing stops anyone from joining your Pentecostal religion but they know there is nowhere else that true love exists among worshipers that's why they are complaining within the group.
As adults and free moral agents nobody should feel indebted to a group that you know is teaching heresy when there are thousands of others out there!🙂

MightySparrow:
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Suffocating the shunned, silent killing, emotional trauma, social distabilization, mental torture. These are the weapons fashioned against the apostates of jw.org. whereas, the scripture they are standing on is about interpersonal relationship not apostacy. Aside that, there are many people within their hood that have pointed errors in their teachings, rather than examining the teachings, they disfellowshipped them. These are angry people running down the organization in prints and social media.

MightySparrow:
There are many people within their hood that have pointed errors in their teachings, rather than examining the teachings, they disfellowshipped them. These are angry people running down the organization in prints and social media.

Your own blood brother became one of Jehovah's Witnesses and instead of him to leave the organization since he didn't have any families among us before his conversion he stick to the organization as if his life depends on it.
Why not convince him to leave if you are sure that what we practice is not in the Bible?😀

MightySparrow:
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Suffocating the shunned, silent killing, emotional trauma, social distabilization, mental torture. These are the weapons fashioned against the apostates of jw.org. whereas, the scripture they are standing on is about interpersonal relationship not apostacy. Aside that, there are many people within their hood that have pointed errors in their teachings, rather than examining the teachings, they disfellowshipped them. These are angry people running down the organization in prints and social media.

Ok.

MaxInDHouse:
LIE!
Can you honestly say Muhammad didn't tell his followers to fight and defend their country?😂

Is this a reference?

honesttalk21:
Is this a reference?

Keep deceiving yourself.

You expect me to spoofed you when you know where it's written in your books!😂

MaxInDHouse:
Keep deceiving yourself.

You expect me to spoofed you when you know where it's written in your books!😂

Obviously you understand lack of quality or your understanding of what you claim

honesttalk21:
Obviously you understand lack of quality or your understanding of what you claim

Guy abeg leave the matter your prophet doesn't know the truth that's why he is confused about nationalism otherwise he should have known that nationalism will weaken the bond of faith and that is why you Muslims are easily compelled to hate, fight and kill yourselves in the face of nationalism!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Guy abeg leave the matter your prophet doesn't know the truth that's why he is confused about nationalism otherwise he should have known that nationalism will weaken the bond of faith and that is why you Muslims are easily compelled to hate, fight and kill yourselves in the face of nationalism!🙂

By you who isn't credible enough to say? If you have a credible evidence you will bring it or you are scared to get caught in your lie that despite apostating from Islam no one killed you?

Probably the underlying reason for this thread... "Akachaam"

honesttalk21:
By you who isn't credible enough to say? If you have a credible evidence you will bring it or you are scared to get caught in your lie that despite apostating from Islam no one killed you?

Apostate means people who continue to criticize their own faith instead of walking away to worship elsewhere.
We are comparing shunning to beheading which the whole world knows these two religions for regarding apostates in both.

MaxInDHouse:
Apostate means people who continue to criticize their own faith instead of walking away to worship elsewhere.
We are comparing shunning to beheading which the whole world knows these two religions for regarding apostates in both.

Totally wrong. An apostate abandons the faith, while critics who stay are dissenters. Redefining terms does not constitute an argument.

Shunning and beheading represent a false equivalence. Comparing organizational shunning to state executions misses the point.

Claims must be backed by sources mockery does not suffice. Where is the evidence of what you claim prophet Muhammad pbuh said?

Critics are people speaking abusively of a religion they have left or never being a member of the religion at all while apostates are people who are speaking abusively of their own religion when they can't even find a replacement.

Muhammad told his disciples to defend their country which is a fact no sincere Muslim can deny this shows you are never honest at all!🙂

honesttalk21:
Totally wrong. An apostate abandons the faith, while critics who stay are dissenters. Redefining terms does not constitute an argument.
Shunning and beheading represent a false equivalence. Comparing organizational shunning to state executions misses the point.
Claims must be backed by sources mockery does not suffice. Where is the evidence of what you claim prophet Muhammad pbuh said?