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Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Islander23(m): 11:26am On Jan 31
lawani:
What is the name of the war? During the reign of which King? Remember also that invading Lagos island from Benin would not have been a small undertaking. They will need to come through the sea. If there was war, the locals would have had it in their history. Any confrontation with the local Aworis would have seen Lagos island swept into the sea
..Answer to the name of the war-British punitive expedition,year-1897...cause-Succession claims to the throne by the different factions of the locals
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Christistruth03: 11:32am On Jan 31
Islander23:
it was simply because of Benin empire invasion albeit did you know the present day "Eyin Igbeti"?
Lagos was already a Brtish Colony in 1890
7 years before the Benin expedition
The British already knew Lagos was Yorubaland

Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by FxMasterz:
Christistruth03:
grin

Lagos is Yorubaland 100%
Don't mind the mumu propagandists.

How can Benin people settle in a place and give the place a Yoruba name such as Isalẹ Eko? The propagandists no even get sense. Awori itself is a Yoruba name meaning 'The plate sank'. The name was derived from the history of the settlement itself. A group that travelled from ife were told by divination to follow a stream with a plate floating on it. They were asked to settle at any point where the plate sinks. The plate sank at Isalẹ Eko, and the people named themselves Awori.
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by 3kay945(m): 11:36am On Jan 31
kingbee90:
Lagos is a no man's land.
Lagos was founded & built by the European slave traders which later became the capital of Nigeria & was developed with Nigerian resources long ago when one man whom they claim built Lagos was still selling CoCo in the streets of Ch!c@g⁰ as a teenager.

Period!!
grin
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Islander23(m): 11:44am On Jan 31
Christistruth03:
Lagos was already a Brtish Colony in 1890
7 years before the Benin expedition
The British already knew Lagos was Yorubaland
you are right about this but the British were not fully grounded,this main expedition caused the fall of Benin empire...the British had to invade Benin to diminish their influence &power
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by lawani(m): 12:25pm On Jan 31
Islander23:
..Answer to the name of the war-British punitive expedition,year-1897...cause-Succession claims to the throne by the different factions of the locals
You said Benin invaded Lagos. I asked for the details of that particular war. The war you are talking about must have happened more than a century before 1897
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by lawani(m):
Islander23:
you are right about this but the British were not fully grounded,this main expedition caused the fall of Benin empire...the British had to invade Benin to diminish their influence &power
No the British did not cause the fall of the Benin empire. There was no Benin empire in 1897. The last person that collected tribute in Benin was Balogun Ogedengbe of Ijesa who did so on behalf of Ibadan before the Yoruba civil war broke out. Ogedengbe is well known throughout the Delta, Edo states. Which city was tributary to Benin in 1897? It is wrong history to say the British truncated the Benin empire with one so called punitive expedition. The British were not able to suppress the Anioma for over thirty years
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Islander23(m): 1:13pm On Jan 31
lawani:
You said Benin invaded Lagos. I asked for the details of that particular war. The war you are talking about must have happened more than a century before 1897
at least you &I weren't born as that time...but we solely rely on research... that's why I gave a snippet of what you should research about...Benin punitive expedition of February 1897
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by lawani(m): 1:17pm On Jan 31
Islander23:
at least you &I weren't born as that time...but we solely rely on research... that's why I gave a snippet of what you should research about...Benin punitive expedition of February 1897
But the Benin punitive expedition have nothing to do with Lagos island being discussed. Benin had no influence in Lagos to be diminished as at 1897.
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Christistruth00: 1:24pm On Jan 31
lawani:
No the British did not cause the fall of the Benin empire. There was no Benin empire in 1897. The last person that collected tribute in Benin was Balogun Ogedengbe of Ijesa who did so on behalf of Ibadan before the Yoruba civil war broke out. Ogedengbe is well known throughout the Delta, Edo states. Which city was tributary to Benin in 1897? It is wrong history to say the British truncated the Benin empire with one so called punitive expedition. The British were not able to suppress the Anioma for over thirty years
Thank you!!!!
It was Oba of Benin’s begging and pleading that pacified Ogedengbe and the EkitiParapo Army from taking over Benin.
They went back to fighting Ibadan instead
Ogedengbe invaded parts of Benin but not Benin City itself
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by lawani(m): 1:40pm On Jan 31
Christistruth00:
Thank you!!!!
It was Oba of Benin’s begging and pleading that pacified Ogedengbe and the EkitiParapo Army from taking over Benin.
They went back to fighting Ibadan instead
Ogedengbe invaded parts of Benin but not Benin City itself
Accounts say an alliance was negotiated. Ogedengbe could not have acted without the go ahead of Ibadan because as at then the civil war had not yet broken out. The expedition was on behalf of Ibadan obviously.

Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Christistruth00: 1:45pm On Jan 31
lawani:
Accounts say an alliance was negotiated. Ogedengbe could not have acted without the go ahead of Ibadan because as at then the civil war had not yet broken out. The expedition was on behalf of Ibadan obviously.
What I read was that Ogedengbe was angry at Benin supplying Firearms to Ibadan that he and the EkitiParapo were fighting against and so he turned on Benin for doing so

It was one of the side shows of the Kiriji War
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by absoluteSuccess: 1:50pm On Jan 31
Christistruth00:
What I read was that Ogedengbe was angry at Benin supplying Firearms to Ibadan that he and the EkitiParapo were fighting against and so he turned on Benin for doing so

It was one of the side shows of the Kiriji War
lawani:
Accounts say an alliance was negotiated. Ogedengbe could not have acted without the go ahead of Ibadan because as at then the civil war had not yet broken out. The expedition was on behalf of Ibadan obviously.
Great guys, how are you doing sirs?

Thanks for the knowledge being shared.
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by lawani(m): 1:50pm On Jan 31
Christistruth00:
What I read was that Ogedengbe was angry at Benin supplying Firearms to Ibadan that he and the EkitiParapo were fighting against and so he turned on Benin for doing so
Are you sure that the Ijesa were not under the Ibadan at that time? I know that at one point Ibadan gave Ogedengbe the go ahead to go on expeditions. Ibadan already took territory from Benin by way of Akure and etc and they were not likely to be allies. The year I think was in the 1870s. It was a few years before Kiriji war broke out that Ogedengbe was in Benin territory
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Islander23(m): 1:55pm On Jan 31
lawani:
But the Benin punitive expedition have nothing to do with Lagos island being discussed. Benin had no influence in Lagos to be diminished as at 1897.
first& foremost,I am a pure Yoruba man&I can't distort historical facts so back to the discussion, it has a whole lot to do with it because the main Oba of Lagos"s palace was situated at present day Ido...it was due to the war that it was moved to its present location...
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by lawani(m): 2:00pm On Jan 31
Islander23:
first& foremost,I am a pure Yoruba man&I can't distort historical facts so back to the discussion, it has a whole lot to do with it because the main Oba of Lagos"s palace was situated at present day Ido...it was due to the war that it was moved to its present location...
You are saying it was because of the British expedition against Benin that they moved the palace in Lagos island?. Or are you saying the Benin invaded Lagos and they moved the palace because of that? I don't really understand you
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Islander23(m): 2:03pm On Jan 31
lawani:
You are saying it was because of the British expedition against Benin that they moved the palace in Lagos island?. Or are you saying the Benin invaded Lagos and they moved the palace because of that? I don't really understand you
.....are you saying the Benin invaded Lagos and they moved the palace because of that....Yeah
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by lawani(m): 2:07pm On Jan 31
Islander23:
.....are you saying the Benin invaded Lagos and they moved the palace because of that....Yeah
If that happened it will be recorded in history and the name of the war will be well known. Lagos island is very small and far from Benin and it can't be held by force by Benin. I doubt they had the logistics to invade the place since it would have had to be by the sea. Then how do you explain the fact that the Awo that established the town was an Ijesa man?.
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Christistruth00: 2:16pm On Jan 31
lawani:
If that happened it will be recorded in history and the name of the war will be well known. Lagos island is very small and far from Benin and it can't be held by force by Benin. I doubt they had the logistics to invade the place since it would have had to be by the sea. Then how do you explain the fact that the Awo that established the town was an Ijesa man?.
The Ilaje even drowned Oba Ehengbuda of Benin and his War entourage in Lagos
It was a very big disaster for Benin

Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by lawani(m): 2:29pm On Jan 31
Christistruth00:
The Ilaje even drowned Oba Ehengbuda of Benin and his War entourage in Lagos
It was a very big disaster for Benin
It should be remembered they didn't see the Benin as aliens. They spoke the same language. I used ifa to determine what happened in the past and I got that the Ijesa went to Benin to secure palm oil contract with the Portuguese and they sealed it. The Owa who was a woman and the Oba of Benin secured land from the Awori and isale Eko was founded. IFA said the odu IFA they got at Benin for the new town was Ose Irosun and that the second one which is Ogunda Irete that Lagos island is now known for was gotten when they got there and it is less potent. That is my finding using ifa. The Ijesa priest that led them there is the progenitor of the current line of Kings. He wanted to return to Ijesa but they begged him to stay and built him a palace
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Islander23(m): 2:32pm On Jan 31
lawani:
If that happened it will be recorded in history and the name of the war will be well known. Lagos island is very small and far from Benin and it can't be held by force by Benin. I doubt they had the logistics to invade the place since it would have had to be by the sea. Then how do you explain the fact that the Awo that established the town was an Ijesa man?.
To be candid I don't know how about an Ijesha man being the founder of the town but Benin did invaded Lagos using the Uromi warriors...I think Wikipedia can be of help here.
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by lawani(m): 2:35pm On Jan 31
Islander23:
To be candid I don't know how about an Ijesha man being the founder of the town but Benin did invaded Lagos using the Uromi warriors...I think Wikipedia can be of help here.
The whole population of Lagos island when it was founded would be a few hundreds or much less. Nobody knew it would become big except maybe the priests who insisted it would become big. There was nothing to invade. The population of Lagos island in the 1890s after centuries of expansion was around 20k. Not everything on Wikipedia should be taken seriously
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Hankim: 2:38pm On Jan 31
ayoncox:
All this people go just dey Yan nonsense. So what do we gain from your saying Yoruba are not the originators, okay na Benin people as you said. Mr Akinolu why you dey hear Yoruba name like some of your people in Benin. Even Edo is not Benin and Benin is not Edo. Even the Eko you are claiming is just a fraction of Lagos. Abeg go and sit down for one side
Do you even know some parts of Lagos belong to Ewe people?
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Islander23(m): 2:44pm On Jan 31
lawani:
The whole population of Lagos island when it was founded would be a few hundreds or much less. Nobody knew it would become big except maybe the priests who insisted it would become big. There was nothing to invade.
...oh my dear brother,I find this hard to believe...we have major sub tribes like the Aworis,Ijebus,Egbas,Igbominas.... Okie,lemme make you to understand those that discovered the island are the Ilajes due to their fishing activities but they did not settle down as residents,A former Lagos state governor"s ancestry is rooted in Ilaje so the population then was way above your projection
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by lawani(m): 2:44pm On Jan 31
Hankim:
Do you even know some parts of Lagos belong to Ewe people?
The post is about Lagos island not Lagos state
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by lawani(m): 2:46pm On Jan 31
Islander23:
...oh my dear brother,I find this hard to believe...we have major sub tribes like the Aworis,Ijebus,Egbas,Igbominas.... Okie,lemme make understand those that discovered the island are the Ilajes due to their fishing activities but they did not settle down as residents,A former Lagos state governor"s ancestry is rooted in Ilaje
Are you now saying Lagos island owns the whole Lagos state? Ikoyi for example was established by Oyo.
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by yemmight(m): 2:56pm On Jan 31
Oba Rilwan is even confusing us the more.
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Islander23(m): 2:59pm On Jan 31
lawani:
Are you now saying Lagos island owns the whole Lagos state? Ikoyi for example was established by Oyo.
I never said that Bro but Lagos island as the major seat of power dominated other sub towns...you should know that in any major invasion what comes to the mind of the invaders is to capture the seat of power...No doubt ikoyi was founded by the Oyos admittedly but yet to confirm it...My family also gained not by conquest but by being the first settlers of a high end part of Lagos
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by aswani(m): 4:40pm On Jan 31
Gjrich:

“The exiled Benin Prince Izoduwa known to the Yorubas as Ooduwa (Oduduwa) was made ruler of the Ife people due to his powers and followers from the Great Benin-Kingdom


The person that wrote this piece showed that it is not worth reading as they did no research just by the above alone.

Ifá told the kingmakers that the next king would walk in from the forests in the Eastern side of town.

Izoduwa had been exiled from Benin and for safety reasons was travelling westwards with his full regalia.

As soon as he walked into town, he was made king as instructed by Ifa, not because of any powers of him and his entourage.

He was confused with his rousing welcome, who won't be, but thankfully what was happening was eventually made clear to him.

Izoduwa ruled over Ifẹ and never returned despite entreaties and pleas made to him from Benin when the plot to stop him being King, which caused him to leave in the first place, was unravelled.

Benin kingdom had a military outpost in Lagos by the sea, that was it.

Whoever wants to know who owns Lagos (island) should ask the palace what language they speak there
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Christistruth03: 6:08pm On Jan 31
Hankim:
Do you even know some parts of Lagos belong to Ewe people?
The Ewe are from Oyo
They Migrated to Ghana and some returned they adopted the language of their Fon Neighbours along the way.
They are Alaafins Children and they are our people

They were Oyos representatives in Ghana Togo and Benin Republic
Na dem dey run things for Alaafin down there

https://dailypost.ng/2023/12/30/im-nigerian-from-oyo-kingdom-ghanaian-singer-stonebwoy/

Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by lawani(m): 6:24pm On Jan 31
Islander23:
I never said that Bro but Lagos island as the major seat of power dominated other sub towns...you should know that in any major invasion what comes to the mind of the invaders is to capture the seat of power...No doubt ikoyi was founded by the Oyos admittedly but yet to confirm it...My family also gained not by conquest but by being the first settlers of a high end part of Lagos
The Oba of Lagos or Eleko of Eko is the most popular Lagos King but I don't think his land contains up to one million people. It can't be up to five percent of Lagos land mass
Re: Why Lagos Does Not Belong To Yorubas – Oba Akiolu by Islander23(m): 7:05pm On Jan 31
lawani:
The Oba of Lagos or Eleko of Eko is the most popular Lagos King but I don't think his land contains up to one million people. It can't be up to five percent of Lagos land mass
The population under the kingship of Lagos should be in hundreds of thousand because we have various clans that dominated the settlement &as a matter of facts some present day kings were bales before been upgraded to kings & their domain was under the tutelage of Eleko as you rightly called it
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