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Fenrir:
Fella, yes, a computer is evidence of an engineer, because we have direct empirical data of engineers existing, building computers, and we can observe the process. That dataset exists.
Now show me the equivalent dataset for universes.
You have never observed a universe being built, never observed a “universe builder,” never observed the mechanism, never compared designed vs undesigned universes. So you cannot legally import “artifact logic” into cosmology and call it science. That’s an analogy, not evidence.
On your points 2 to 5. Big Bang describes an early hot dense state and an expansion. It does not prove “creation from absolute nothing.” It marks the limit of our current models. That’s a boundary of knowledge, not a licence to insert your preferred metaphysics. Entropy also does not forbid complexity. Local order emerges constantly in open systems where energy flows. Stars form. Crystals grow. Life exists. Your thermodynamics claim is simply misapplied.
On points 6 to 8. “Everything has a cause” is not a scientific law, it’s a metaphysical premise. And causation as you’re using it is a temporal concept: sequence, before/after. If time itself is part of the universe, you cannot coherently say “the cause happened before time.” You’re using “cause” as a placeholder for mystery, not an explanation.
On points 9 to 10: even if I granted an “uncaused first cause,” intelligence does not follow logically. You assert it. You don’t demonstrate it. And your sentence “Christians call it God” does not produce Christianity. It doesn’t produce prophets, salvation, souls, heaven/hell, moral commands, or anything else. That entire jump is asserted, not argued.
So here’s the challenge, one that stays inside your own framework.
Without scripture and without personal attacks, show the steps that make “uncaused first cause” necessarily: (a) intelligent
(b) personal
(c) morally authoritative
(d) caring about humans
(e) the Christian God rather than an impersonal principle or brute fact.
Write the chain of reasoning. If you can’t, stop calling your position “science and logic.” Call it what it is, faith wearing scientific vocabulary.

Organise yourself and be focused. One point after the other. Each of my ten points don't stand alone, they are build up to the conclusion.

If the foundation is not right, whatever is upon it is a waste

Fenrir:
TenQ before we continue this little dance, I went through all 107 of your topics and here's how the pattern reads 😈....

First observation: This isn't curiosity. This is a project.
Late 2021 through 2025. Same username. Same section. Same targets. Same rhetorical posture. That's not someone asking questions. That's someone running a campaign.
Persistence at that scale isn't intellectual honesty. It's identity maintenance.
Second: Your titles do all the heavy lifting.
Almost every thread you've ever started follows one of three templates:
Loaded question that presumes guilt:
"Why did Allah…"
"Did Allah make a mistake…"
"Who deleted this verse…"
Mock-certainty dressed as investigation:
"The proof that…"
"Evidence that…"
"According to Islam…"
Bait for identity defence:
"Why Muslims…"
"Muslims cannot explain…"
"Plain idolatry…"
This is textbook provocation engineering. You don't post to learn. You post to trigger defenders, then farm engagement off their emotional labour. The content doesn't matter. The reaction does.
Third: Notice what's missing.
There is no equivalent sustained critique of Christianity, Judaism, or atheism at the same scale or intensity. Christianity appears occasionally, but only as a contrast weapon against Islam, never as a target.
That asymmetry isn't accidental. It tells the truth about motivation. This isn't about seeking truth. It's about having an opponent.
Fourth: The escalation arc.
Early posts: semi-academic framing.
Then: certainty claims.
Then: moral condemnation.
Then: humiliation framing.
Then: sheer volume dominance.
That's textbook identity-anchored opposition. Once your self-image gets fused to being "the one who sees through Islam," stopping feels like losing status. So you don't stop. You post more. You get louder. You need the fight to continue, because without it, who are you?
Fifth: The engagement numbers explain everything.
These threads pull views. They pull replies. They generate heat. And on forums like Nairaland, heat equals relevance. Relevance equals staying power. The system rewards antagonism far more than clarity.
You didn't stumble into this. You adapted to it. This isn't accidental behaviour. It's optimised behaviour.
Sixth: This reads psychologically as control, not faith.
Control of narrative.
Control of framing.
Control of what the other side must respond to.
You take very little genuine risk. Your questions are constructed so you never have to concede anything. If challenged, you retreat to "I'm just asking." If agreed with, you escalate.
That's not dialogue. That's asymmetric warfare in a symbolic space.
Seventh: Why it works especially well here.
Because religion in Nigeria isn't abstract. It's identity, family, status, safety, community. So poking it guarantees reaction. Western "debate brain" meets lived belief. Sparks fly every time.
You know this. You're exploiting it. That's not scholarship. That's tactical manipulation of emotional infrastructure.
Eighth: What this isn't.
It's not deep scholarship.
It's not honest interfaith dialogue.
It's not neutral scepticism.
And crucially, it's not persuasion either. Nobody converts from being humiliated at scale.
What it is is performative dominance. You're not trying to convince anyone. You're trying to win in front of an audience that already agrees with you.
Ninth: The uncomfortable truth.
If someone showed me your archive and asked "is this person obsessed," I'd say yes. Not obsessed with Islam as theology, but with Islam as an opponent.
And obsession always leaks tells: volume, repetition, inability to disengage, identity fusion.
Final observation: The asymmetry.
If you disappeared tomorrow, Islam wouldn't wobble by a micron.
But your online identity would collapse entirely, because it's been built against something, not for something.
That's the structural weakness in your entire operation. You need the enemy to exist. You need the fight to continue. Because without it, what's left?
So here's where we actually are.
You accused me of not reading. I read everything and dismantled it systematically.
You demanded I "pick one point." I addressed all ten and you ignored the rebuttals.
You psychoanalyzed me, called me possessed, dismissed me as cosmically irrelevant, anything to avoid the fact that your logic collapsed under scrutiny.
But the truth is simpler than that.
You're not here to argue. You're here to perform.
And I'm not interested in being your content. 😈😈

I give no apology for my take on Islam.
All you need to do is to say that "I speak untruths about Islam"

My objectives was to show from Islamic sources that Allah, Mohammed, Islam is FALSE and that I do successfully!

If you want to defend Islam, I ask you to RECITE the Shahada and then come. With the same yardstick of Islam, I will floor you!

Birds of the same feathers.....


Atheists are a waste of my time: they fein knowledge but are completely empty. They think being obstinate and hiding behind agnosticism helps their case. They fail to realise that just like the rest of us, they are people of Faith in SELF!
Deluded in all manners!
Instead of knowledge helping them, the same knowledge is a curse.

Fenrir:
Dickhead’s Paradox
I know I’m part of the problem,
but the problem is so fucking stupid
that I can’t help but mock it, fight it,
and occasionally burn it to the ground.
This is situational dickheadism.
Not a personality trait.
Not a moral identity.
A context-triggered response to hypocrisy, double standards, and authority without coherence.
Core premise
Most people are not permanent dickheads.
They become dickheads when exposed to high-confidence nonsense.
Situational dickheadism emerges when three conditions collide:
Claimed authority or moral high ground
Visible contradiction between words and behaviour
Expectation that others must comply anyway
When all three are present, mockery feels less like cruelty and more like sanity trying to breathe.
Canonical examples
A doctor who smokes while lecturing about lung cancer
Knowledge without self discipline, delivered as command. The issue isn’t smoking. It’s lecturing from a podium you refuse to stand on yourself.
Religious adherents preaching virtue while violating their own scripture
Christian, Jewish, Islamic, doesn’t matter. The trigger is not belief. It’s selective obedience paired with moral enforcement. If the rules are divine, you don’t get an exemption clause.
Yoruba cultural rhetoric about humility and respect
followed by demands that others physically or socially lower themselves
and insults when they refuse.
That’s not humility. That’s hierarchy cosplay.
In all cases, the reaction isn’t “I hate you”.
It’s “don’t insult my intelligence and call it morality”.
Norwegian equivalent (impartial, no free passes)
Norway preaching equality, modesty, and “we’re all the same”
while quietly enforcing status through silence, exclusion, and social freezing.
Janteloven says “you are not better than anyone”.
Norwegian social reality often says
“but we will still decide who belongs”.
No shouting.
No insults.
Just polite distance, closed networks, and career ceilings you’re never told exist.
If you challenge it, you’re told: “Why are you making a problem?”
Which is the Norwegian equivalent of gaslighting with a smile.
Mocking that hypocrisy?
Situational dickheadism.
Not because equality is bad.
Because pretending equality while practicing quiet gatekeeping is dishonest.
Why the paradox exists
Dickhead’s Paradox is this:
If you stay polite,
the hypocrisy persists unchallenged.
If you push back,
you become “the problem”.
So resistance itself gets reframed as bad behaviour,
while the original contradiction remains untouched.
That’s why people snap.
That’s why mockery appears.
That’s why fires get lit.
Not because people love chaos,
but because absurdity backed by authority is unbearable.
Key distinction
Situational dickheadism is not, random cruelty
bullying
punching down
It is, reactive
target-specific
triggered by asymmetry
It punches up, sideways, or at least at equals.
When it punches down, it mutates into ordinary dickheadism and loses legitimacy.
The uncomfortable self admission
Yes.
The person mocking becomes part of the noise.
Yes.
Fire spreads.
That’s the paradox.
But pretending the fire started nowhere is worse.
Summary, stripped bare
Hypocrisy + authority creates pressure
Pressure creates mockery
Mockery creates escalation
Escalation creates guilt
Guilt does not fix the hypocrisy
So the system loops.
Situational dickheadism isn’t virtue.
It’s friction.
And friction is what happens when someone refuses to clap politely for nonsense.
I didn’t invent this.
I just named it.
And naming things is usually where the trouble starts.

The multiple personalities within you speaking againg. Tell them that I know them!

Unfortunately, you are not thinking for yourself: they are doing it for you.

Sorry!
Relax and pick up yourself

TenQ:
The multiple personalities within you speaking againg. Tell them that I know them!

Unfortunately, you are not thinking for yourself: they are doing it for you.

Sorry!
Relax and pick up yourself

You haven’t addressed a single argument I made.
Instead of engaging with causation, entropy, analogy, or the limits of inference, you shifted to personal attacks, loyalty tests, and declarations of victory.
That’s not debate.
Calling someone “not thinking for themselves” is not a rebuttal.
Demanding ritual compliance (recite the Shahada) is not an argument.
Declaring that your points “build up” does not save them if the foundation is unsound.
You also don’t get to dictate how I respond or what format an answer must take. Arguments stand or fall on their content, not on whether they conform to your preferred presentation.
And stop cherry-picking single sentences out of context and twisting them. Either engage with the full point being made, or don’t engage at all. Selective quoting is not analysis, it’s avoidance.
If premise one is unjustified, the entire structure fails. That is basic logic.
If you believe my argument is incoherent, point out where and why.
If you believe it is wrong, show the error.
If you can’t do either, then saying “I have no time” is simply an exit, not a refutation.
I’m happy to engage on substance.
If the response is more psychologising, gatekeeping, or posturing, that just confirms there’s no substance to engage with.
Your move.

Fenrir:
I concur wholeheartedly that your manifest conviction regarding celestial telecommunications represents a marked preference for assertion over verification, and I harbour no trepidation in observing that when an individual claims privileged access to metaphysical ‘messages’, they have effectively immunised their beliefs against scrutiny by placing them beyond evidence. Furthermore, you materialise upon this digital platform chiefly to lament your nation’s predicament whilst maintaining a posture of comprehensive inertia regarding ameliorative action. Now permit me to offer a comparative observation: in my ancestral homeland the thoroughfares are maintained to a standard that renders disorder conspicuous rather than normalised; women traverse public space at any hour with materially lower apprehension of harassment; domestic security is less a daily obsession and more a contingency; and children are not routinely socialised under a model of authority that confuses intimidation with leadership. None of this is an indictment of every Nigerian man, but it is a critique of patterns that too many women themselves describe repeatedly and publicly, and it is precisely the existence of those patterns, not my presence on a forum, that appears to trouble you. And pray do not misinterpret my diction as ‘big grammar’; I am merely conducting an anatomical dissection of your rhetorical evasions using the only instruments you have thus far supplied: assertion, projection, and offence taking.”

Still on your AI psychosis eh muchacho

DeepSight:
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You are the one who carries Nigerian men on your head. If someone says "Good morning" you would reply saying, "oh only arrogant Nigerian Men say such!" You are pathetically obsessed and it shows you up as a kid. Since you have so many options why are you here? Why not go enjoy the quality time of men from those wonderful places and leave us in peace?

Oh My . I loved how you exposed his Childishness . I'm definitely sure he's a 14 year old kid catfishing as a Scandinavian

SkengRay:
Still on your AI psychosis eh muchacho

A month away, did you finally afford data? Thats the problem, the unflushable Skengray and his accusations or like a bad smell that lingers

Step 1) pay £8.09 to buy Proton vpn

Step 2) get the paid gptzero AI detector the European one that looks exactly like mine its only £16 per month

And prove it.....

Until then be quiet mr unflushable

Fenrir:
You haven’t addressed a single argument I made.
Instead of engaging with causation, entropy, analogy, or the limits of inference, you shifted to personal attacks, loyalty tests, and declarations of victory.
That’s not debate.
Calling someone “not thinking for themselves” is not a rebuttal.
Demanding ritual compliance (recite the Shahada) is not an argument.
Declaring that your points “build up” does not save them if the foundation is unsound.
You also don’t get to dictate how I respond or what format an answer must take. Arguments stand or fall on their content, not on whether they conform to your preferred presentation.
And stop cherry-picking single sentences out of context and twisting them. Either engage with the full point being made, or don’t engage at all. Selective quoting is not analysis, it’s avoidance.
If premise one is unjustified, the entire structure fails. That is basic logic.
If you believe my argument is incoherent, point out where and why.
If you believe it is wrong, show the error.
If you can’t do either, then saying “I have no time” is simply an exit, not a refutation.
I’m happy to engage on substance.
If the response is more psychologising, gatekeeping, or posturing, that just confirms there’s no substance to engage with.
Your move.

Debate is not lumping up unorganized thoughts and expecting a coherent response.

Again:
Your question was

Fenrir:
What proof have any of you got that any god exists?

You are all wrong until you can prove it to the entire world all at the same time, if your gods are real and all powerful what is the excuse for hiding?

I gave you a list of ten points that will lead you to the logical and scientific conclusion that an Intelligent Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything must exist.

My first point was:

TenQ:
Normally, I shouldn't respond to your question but I feel led to answer you without using scripture.


1. You are the number one proof of God's existence. You exist and you are an intelligent and rational creature. A Building is the evidence of a Builder. A painting is the evidence of a Painter!
......

1. Do you by any chance have any evidence of non-life bringing forth life or offspring?
2. Do you have any evidence of DNA being synthesised from non-life in the laboratory?
3. Do you think a non-biological intelligent system like an AI program can exist without an external intelligent organiser?


Before you go at tangent : I am not asking about synthesis of amino acids or inorganic compounds!


These are Yes or No questions and please back it up with relevant evidence if your answer is a YES!

4. Finally, if you go to Mars and find a building with Doors, Windows and functional compartments like living room, kitchen, store and bedroom that had been standing for more than a million years with no-one in sight, will you conclude that an Intelligent Builder must have built it or the earthquakes and Martian dust built it? Or on Mars, you find the picture of a horselike animal, with canvas, frame, nails, glue, shapes and colours will you conclude that the painting made itself?

Note: I never said:
You exist and you are an intelligent and rational creature.... therefore God!
A Building is the evidence of a Builder... therefore God.
A painting is the evidence of a Painter... therefore God!


I hope you can be rational, truthful, logical and scientific in your response. Please make your answers SHORT so that I can layout my second point

TenQ:
Debate is not lumping up unorganized thoughts and expecting a coherent response.

Again:
Your question was


I gave you a list of ten points that will lead you to the logical and scientific conclusion that an Intelligent Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything must exist.

My first point was:

1. Do you by any chance have any evidence of non-life bringing forth life or offspring?
2. Do you have any evidence of DNA being synthesised from non-life in the laboratory?
3. Do you think a non-biological intelligent system like an AI program can exist without an external intelligent organiser?


Before you go at tangent : I am not asking about synthesis of amino acids or inorganic compounds!


These are Yes or No questions and please back it up with relevant evidence if your answer is a YES!

4. Finally, if you go to Mars and find a building with Doors, Windows and functional compartments like living room, kitchen, store and bedroom that had been standing for more than a million years with no-one in sight, will you conclude that an Intelligent Builder must have built it or the earthquakes and Martian dust built it? Or on Mars, you find the picture of a horselike animal, with canvas, frame, nails, glue, shapes and colours will you conclude that the painting made itself?

Note: I never said:
You exist and you are an intelligent and rational creature.... therefore God!
A Building is the evidence of a Builder... therefore God.
A painting is the evidence of a Painter... therefore God!


I hope you can be rational, truthful, logical and scientific in your response. Please make your answers SHORT so that I can layout my second point

Stop dodging and reframing AND trying to force the answer you want. Rephrasing the same question is idiotic.

Do better.

SkengRay:
Oh My . I loved how you exposed his Childishness . I'm definitely sure he's a 14 year old kid catfishing as a Scandinavian

Be quiet

Fenrir:
Stop dodging and reframing AND trying to force the answer you want. Rephrasing the same question is idiotic.

Do better.

If you can't face objective issues, you have no business with me!


Have a nice day!

SkengRay:
Oh My . I loved how you exposed his Childishness . I'm definitely sure he's a 14 year old kid catfishing as a Scandinavian

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That one person has claimed to be Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, British and Nigerian and taught English by an Australian.
And yet, obsessed with Nigerian men only, who according to the creature, are the worst things on Earth.

Oya leave us na, e no gree.

TenQ:
If you can't face objective issues, you have no business with me!


Have a nice day!

I got banned....

You are still reframing instead of engaging.
I am not dodging. I am refusing a false setup.
Your questions are not neutral “yes or no” questions. They are structured to push respondents toward a predetermined conclusion. Repeating them and demanding short answers does not make them sound, it just increases pressure.
This is not an isolated issue. Across your topics, the same method appears repeatedly, tightly constrained questions, forced binaries, and control over format, all designed to funnel people toward the answer you want. That approach may work rhetorically online, but any serious academic or scientific setting would reject it outright. Inquiry does not begin with the conclusion already fixed.
You are also conflating three distinct domains and treating them as one:
Abiogenesis (origin of life)
Design inference (recognising human artefacts)
Metaphysical causation (origin of the universe)
They are not interchangeable.
On your questions 1–3.....
The absence of current laboratory replication is not evidence of impossibility, nor is it evidence of intelligence. “We do not yet know” does not logically become “therefore an intelligent uncaused first cause exists.” That is an argument from ignorance.
On your Mars building and painting examples,
Those analogies only work because we already have independent empirical knowledge of builders and painters. You do not have equivalent prior observation of universes being designed. Without that, the analogy fails.
You also do not get to dictate how I respond or reduce complex epistemological issues to “yes or no” answers to force a conclusion. That is not rational inquiry, it is rhetorical control.
If you want engagement, address this directly:
Explain how you justify moving from
“we don’t currently know how X happened”
to
“therefore an intelligent uncaused first cause exists”
without committing a category error or an argument from ignorance.
If you cannot do that, then the issue is not my organisation or honesty. The issue is that your foundation is unsound, and no amount of stacked questions will repair it.
Your move.

Fenrir:
I got banned....

You are still reframing instead of engaging.
I am not dodging. I am refusing a false setup.
Your questions are not neutral “yes or no” questions. They are structured to push respondents toward a predetermined conclusion. Repeating them and demanding short answers does not make them sound, it just increases pressure.
This is not an isolated issue. Across your topics, the same method appears repeatedly, tightly constrained questions, forced binaries, and control over format, all designed to funnel people toward the answer you want. That approach may work rhetorically online, but any serious academic or scientific setting would reject it outright. Inquiry does not begin with the conclusion already fixed.
You are also conflating three distinct domains and treating them as one:
Abiogenesis (origin of life)
Design inference (recognising human artefacts)
Metaphysical causation (origin of the universe)
They are not interchangeable.
On your questions 1–3.....
The absence of current laboratory replication is not evidence of impossibility, nor is it evidence of intelligence. “We do not yet know” does not logically become “therefore an intelligent uncaused first cause exists.” That is an argument from ignorance.
On your Mars building and painting examples,
Those analogies only work because we already have independent empirical knowledge of builders and painters. You do not have equivalent prior observation of universes being designed. Without that, the analogy fails.
You also do not get to dictate how I respond or reduce complex epistemological issues to “yes or no” answers to force a conclusion. That is not rational inquiry, it is rhetorical control.
If you want engagement, address this directly:
Explain how you justify moving from
“we don’t currently know how X happened”
to
“therefore an intelligent uncaused first cause exists”
without committing a category error or an argument from ignorance.
If you cannot do that, then the issue is not my organisation or honesty. The issue is that your foundation is unsound, and no amount of stacked questions will repair it.
Your move.

Sorry! I did no reframe ANYTHING.
1. I took you back to your original challenge
Then.
2. I presented the first point in my original challenge
Then,
3. I gave you 4 questions by which you can either agree with my point 1 OR state why it is wrong.



We will go through each point until it is exhausted.

This is how to raise objections not the haphazard splashing about with no directions



AGAIN

Fenrir:
You haven’t addressed a single argument I made.
Instead of engaging with causation, entropy, analogy, or the limits of inference, you shifted to personal attacks, loyalty tests, and declarations of victory.
That’s not debate.
Calling someone “not thinking for themselves” is not a rebuttal.
Demanding ritual compliance (recite the Shahada) is not an argument.
Declaring that your points “build up” does not save them if the foundation is unsound.
You also don’t get to dictate how I respond or what format an answer must take. Arguments stand or fall on their content, not on whether they conform to your preferred presentation.
And stop cherry-picking single sentences out of context and twisting them. Either engage with the full point being made, or don’t engage at all. Selective quoting is not analysis, it’s avoidance.
If premise one is unjustified, the entire structure fails. That is basic logic.
If you believe my argument is incoherent, point out where and why.
If you believe it is wrong, show the error.
If you can’t do either, then saying “I have no time” is simply an exit, not a refutation.
I’m happy to engage on substance.
If the response is more psychologising, gatekeeping, or posturing, that just confirms there’s no substance to engage with.
Your move.

Debate is not lumping up unorganized thoughts and expecting a coherent response.

Again:
Your question was

Fenrir:
What proof have any of you got that any god exists?

You are all wrong until you can prove it to the entire world all at the same time, if your gods are real and all powerful what is the excuse for hiding?

I gave you a list of ten points that will lead you to the logical and scientific conclusion that an Intelligent Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything must exist.

My first point was:

TenQ:
Normally, I shouldn't respond to your question but I feel led to answer you without using scripture.


1. You are the number one proof of God's existence. You exist and you are an intelligent and rational creature. A Building is the evidence of a Builder. A painting is the evidence of a Painter!
......

1. Do you by any chance have any evidence of non-life bringing forth life or offspring?
2. Do you have any evidence of DNA being synthesised from non-life in the laboratory?
3. Do you think a non-biological intelligent system like an AI program can exist without an external intelligent organiser?


Before you go at tangent : I am not asking about synthesis of amino acids or inorganic compounds!


These are Yes or No questions and please back it up with relevant evidence if your answer is a YES!

4. Finally, if you go to Mars and find a building with Doors, Windows and functional compartments like living room, kitchen, store and bedroom that had been standing for more than a million years with no-one in sight, will you conclude that an Intelligent Builder must have built it or the earthquakes and Martian dust built it? Or on Mars, you find the picture of a horselike animal, with canvas, frame, nails, glue, shapes and colours will you conclude that the painting made itself?

Note: I never said:
You exist and you are an intelligent and rational creature.... therefore God!
A Building is the evidence of a Builder... therefore God.
A painting is the evidence of a Painter... therefore God!


I hope you can be rational, truthful, logical and scientific in your response. Please make your answers SHORT so that I can layout my second point

TenQ:
Sorry! I did no reframe ANYTHING.
1. I took you back to your original challenge
Then.
2. I presented the first point in my original challenge
Then,
3. I gave you 4 questions by which you can either agree with my point 1 OR state why it is wrong.



We will go through each point until it is exhausted.

This is how to raise objections not the haphazard splashing about with no directions



AGAIN


Debate is not lumping up unorganized thoughts and expecting a coherent response.

Again:
Your question was


I gave you a list of ten points that will lead you to the logical and scientific conclusion that an Intelligent Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything must exist.

My first point was:

1. Do you by any chance have any evidence of non-life bringing forth life or offspring?
2. Do you have any evidence of DNA being synthesised from non-life in the laboratory?
3. Do you think a non-biological intelligent system like an AI program can exist without an external intelligent organiser?


Before you go at tangent : I am not asking about synthesis of amino acids or inorganic compounds!


These are Yes or No questions and please back it up with relevant evidence if your answer is a YES!

4. Finally, if you go to Mars and find a building with Doors, Windows and functional compartments like living room, kitchen, store and bedroom that had been standing for more than a million years with no-one in sight, will you conclude that an Intelligent Builder must have built it or the earthquakes and Martian dust built it? Or on Mars, you find the picture of a horselike animal, with canvas, frame, nails, glue, shapes and colours will you conclude that the painting made itself?

Note: I never said:
You exist and you are an intelligent and rational creature.... therefore God!
A Building is the evidence of a Builder... therefore God.
A painting is the evidence of a Painter... therefore God!


I hope you can be rational, truthful, logical and scientific in your response. Please make your answers SHORT so that I can layout my second point

You are still not engaging with the core objection.
Restating your process, repeating the questions, or insisting on short yes/no answers does not address the problem I have already raised.
Your questions are not independent tests of a premise. They are structured to force agreement by narrowing the response space until only one conclusion appears available. That is why I am refusing the frame.
To be explicit:
Questions 1–3 hinge on current limits of experimental knowledge. A lack of present evidence for abiogenesis or laboratory synthesis does not logically imply intelligence, design, or an “uncaused first cause”. “We do not yet know” is not a scientific bridge to metaphysical conclusions.
Question 4 relies on analogy. That analogy only works because we already possess independent empirical knowledge of builders, painters, and designers. You do not have equivalent prior observation of universes being designed. Without that, the analogy cannot be generalised. I have already stated this, and repeating the analogy does not repair it.
You also do not get to restrict answers to “yes or no” when the validity of the inference itself is what is being challenged. Reducing complex epistemological issues to forced binaries is not scientific rigor, it is rhetorical pressure.
This is not “haphazard splashing”. It is a direct challenge to your foundation.
So before proceeding to “point 2”, answer this clearly:
Explain how you justify moving from
“we currently lack evidence for X”
to
“therefore an intelligent uncaused first cause exists”
without committing an argument from ignorance or a category error.
Until that inferential bridge is justified, your sequence of points, however orderly, rests on an unsupported assumption.
If you want debate, address that.
If you repeat the questions again, you are simply confirming the avoidance.
Your move. Or be quiet.

Fenrir:
You are still not engaging with the core objection.
Restating your process, repeating the questions, or insisting on short yes/no answers does not address the problem I have already raised.
Your questions are not independent tests of a premise. They are structured to force agreement by narrowing the response space until only one conclusion appears available. That is why I am refusing the frame.
To be explicit:
Questions 1–3 hinge on current limits of experimental knowledge. A lack of present evidence for abiogenesis or laboratory synthesis does not logically imply intelligence, design, or an “uncaused first cause”. “We do not yet know” is not a scientific bridge to metaphysical conclusions.
Question 4 relies on analogy. That analogy only works because we already possess independent empirical knowledge of builders, painters, and designers. You do not have equivalent prior observation of universes being designed. Without that, the analogy cannot be generalised. I have already stated this, and repeating the analogy does not repair it.
You also do not get to restrict answers to “yes or no” when the validity of the inference itself is what is being challenged. Reducing complex epistemological issues to forced binaries is not scientific rigor, it is rhetorical pressure.
This is not “haphazard splashing”. It is a direct challenge to your foundation.
So before proceeding to “point 2”, answer this clearly:
Explain how you justify moving from
“we currently lack evidence for X”
to
“therefore an intelligent uncaused first cause exists”
without committing an argument from ignorance or a category error.
Until that inferential bridge is justified, your sequence of points, however orderly, rests on an unsupported assumption.
If you want debate, address that.
If you repeat the questions again, you are simply confirming the avoidance.
Your move. Or be quiet.

Sorry!
Either you engage or shut up.

Four questions and you can even answer one!

The highlight show that you are not reading for comprehension because I already told you that

Note: I never said:
You exist and you are an intelligent and rational creature.... therefore God!
A Building is the evidence of a Builder... therefore God.
A painting is the evidence of a Painter... therefore God!

But because you don't read for comprehension, that's exactly what you read.

Answer the FOUR short Questions if truely you want to engage

TenQ:
Sorry!
Either you engage or shut up.

Four questions and you can even answer one!

The highlight show that you are not reading for comprehension because I already told you that




But because you don't read for comprehension, that's exactly what you read.

Answer the FOUR short Questions if truely you want to engage

Be quiet.....hush.....

I have engaged. You are refusing to.
Telling someone to “answer or shut up” is not debate. It’s an attempt to bully compliance after your framing has been challenged.
I have explained, multiple times, why your four questions are invalid as posed: they presuppose the very conclusion you claim to be testing. Repeating them and demanding yes/no answers does not address that objection.
This is the point you keep avoiding.
I am not required to answer questions that embed the conclusion in their setup. In any serious academic context, that would be stopped immediately.
If you want engagement, justify the inference you are trying to force.
Explain how you move from
“we do not currently have evidence for X”
to
“therefore an intelligent uncaused first cause exists”
without an argument from ignorance or a category error.
If you cannot do that, then shouting “four questions” is not comprehension on your part. It is evasion.
This is my last attempt to engage on substance.
If the next response is more demands, insults, or repetition, that will speak for itself.

TenQ:
Sorry!
Either you engage or shut up.

Four questions and you can even answer one!

The highlight show that you are not reading for comprehension because I already told you that




But because you don't read for comprehension, that's exactly what you read.

Answer the FOUR short Questions if truely you want to engage

Hush...be quiet...

Your tactics won’t work on me.
I don’t respond to demands for obedience without justification. “Answer because I said so” is not how I was raised. I was taught to challenge claims, to ask why, and to reject authority that cannot explain itself.
What you’re asking for is compliance. What I’m offering is engagement. Those are not the same thing.
You’ve had multiple opportunities to justify your foundation. Instead of doing that, you’ve repeated the same questions and escalated the tone, hoping insistence will substitute for reasoning.
It won’t.
If your argument were sound, it wouldn’t require intimidation, forced formats, or yes/no traps to function. The fact that it does tells me everything I need to know about the strength of the foundation you’re defending

DeepSight:
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That one person has claimed to be Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, British and Nigerian and taught English by an Australian.
And yet, obsessed with Nigerian men only, who according to the creature, are the worst things on Earth.

Oya leave us na, e no gree.

I’m not playing your game, and if you slow down for a moment, you’ll see why.
I’m not here arguing opinions. I’m posting federal law, constitutional rights, and documented legal history. I’m also laying out how customary practices actually interact with statutory law in this country.
Every non-Nigerian who reads this and understands their legal position is one less person who can be misled about their rights. Since these discussions started, more people have begun involving lawyers early when families are introduced. That changes outcomes.
Here’s the legal reality, whether people like it or not:
Cultural demands do not override federal law.
Interference in an adult relationship has legal consequences.
False claims about “disrespect” can cross into defamation.
These are not threats. They are established legal facts.
The difference between us is not emotion or culture. It’s scope of knowledge. I’m working from federal statutes, constitutional protections, and enforcement mechanisms. You’re repeating what you were told at family or village level.
That gap matters, because law is what ultimately governs outcomes, not custom.
If you want to argue, argue the law.
If you want to argue culture, accept its limits.
Those aren’t opinions. That’s how the system actually works.

DeepSight:
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That one person has claimed to be Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, British and Nigerian and taught English by an Australian.
And yet, obsessed with Nigerian men only, who according to the creature, are the worst things on Earth.

Oya leave us na, e no gree.

And you obviously cannot read..
Father = Swedish/Norwegian
Mother = Danish/Norwegian

Me = Norwegian/Swedish/Danish

Nationality and citizenship are completely different and its ridiculously idiotic that you confuse them.
Nationality is where you are born but citizenship is where you earn living or grow up.
You are lazy with logic and have clearly never left Nigeria.

Fenrir:
Hush...be quiet...

Your tactics won’t work on me.
I don’t respond to demands for obedience without justification. “Answer because I said so” is not how I was raised. I was taught to challenge claims, to ask why, and to reject authority that cannot explain itself.
What you’re asking for is compliance. What I’m offering is engagement. Those are not the same thing.
You’ve had multiple opportunities to justify your foundation. Instead of doing that, you’ve repeated the same questions and escalated the tone, hoping insistence will substitute for reasoning.
It won’t.
If your argument were sound, it wouldn’t require intimidation, forced formats, or yes/no traps to function. The fact that it does tells me everything I need to know about the strength of the foundation you’re defending

Have a nice day then.

I don't have time for one who cannot objectively face the TRUTH even when it doesn't go their way.

Four simple questions and all you get is ramblings!?
SMH!

Fenrir:
And you obviously cannot read..
Father = Swedish/Norwegian
Mother = Danish/Norwegian

Me = Norwegian/Swedish/Danish

Nationality and citizenship are completely different and its ridiculously idiotic that you confuse them.
Nationality is where you are born but citizenship is where you earn living or grow up.
You are lazy with logic and have clearly never left Nigeria.

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Worever.
I guess you also forgot you claimed to be Nigerian as well.

And British as well. Taught English by an Australian.

At some point you even added American.

Look it's not my business, I don't know you, you jolly well could be all countries, sha leave Naija men alone since we are the worst creatures in the world.

TenQ:
Have a nice day then.

I don't have time for one who cannot objectively face the TRUTH even when it doesn't go their way.

Four simple questions and all you get is ramblings!?
SMH!

That’s fine. Have a good day.
For the record, refusing to answer loaded questions that presuppose a conclusion is not “rambling”. It’s basic critical reasoning.
I repeatedly asked you to JUSTIFY the inference your questions rely on. You chose repetition and pressure instead. That’s your choice.
Anyone reading can see the difference between refusing to comply and being unable to respond.
All the best.

DeepSight:
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Worever.
I guess you also forgot you claimed to be Nigerian as well.

I said Nigerian citizenship, you illiterate child.
My profile also "I am not Nigerian"

My daughter is half yoruba like ive repeatedly said since day 1. No wonder this country is in the state it is when you do not understand the most basic distinctions.
Again you fail to understand the difference between nationality and citizenship.

DeepSight:
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Worever.
I guess you also forgot you claimed to be Nigerian as well.

And British as well. Taught English by an Australian.

At some point you even added American.

Look it's not my business, I don't know you, you jolly well could be all countries, sha leave Naija men alone since we are the worst creatures in the world.

I didn't add anything, if you learn to read, you can go back and read it again because what I actually said is posted in multiple topics AND this one.

DeepSight:
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Worever.
I guess you also forgot you claimed to be Nigerian as well.

And British as well. Taught English by an Australian.

At some point you even added American.

Look it's not my business, I don't know you, you jolly well could be all countries, sha leave Naija men alone since we are the worst creatures in the world.

Like you begging for rescue to another member is posted, and screenshot then reposted 😂

DeepSight:
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Worever.
I guess you also forgot you claimed to be Nigerian as well.

And British as well. Taught English by an Australian.

At some point you even added American.

Look it's not my business, I don't know you, you jolly well could be all countries, sha leave Naija men alone since we are the worst creatures in the world.

You actually begged another member to come rescue you.

Fenrir:
That’s fine. Have a good day.
For the record, refusing to answer loaded questions that presuppose a conclusion is not “rambling”. It’s basic critical reasoning.
I repeatedly asked you to JUSTIFY the inference your questions rely on. You chose repetition and pressure instead. That’s your choice.
Anyone reading can see the difference between refusing to comply and being unable to respond.
All the best.

It is on record that you refused to answer simple questions because you realise how hastily you have jumped to your conclusions.

Fear of picking issues one at a time had also affected you and muddling up discussion is your escape mechanism.

You gave a challenge
Your challenge was answered
You avoid scrutiny!

You cannot be helped with this stance!

Again,
Have a nice day!

TenQ:
It is on record that you refused to answer simple questions because you realise how hastily you have jumped to your conclusions.

Fear of picking issues one at a time had also affected you and muddling up discussion is your escape mechanism.

You gave a challenge
Your challenge was answered
You avoid scrutiny!

You cannot be helped with this stance!

Again,
Have a nice day!

For clarity: declining to answer questions that assume their own conclusion is not “avoidance”. It is the objection.
I repeatedly asked you to justify the inference your questions rely on. That request was never addressed.
Anyone reading can judge that for themselves.
Have a good day.

Fenrir:
I didn't add anything, if you learn to read, you can go back and read it again because what I actually said is posted in multiple topics AND this one.

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Leave Nigerian Men alone. Thaz all. Other than that, enjoy your life.