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BAILMONEY:
And Almighty God instructed Christians to attend church on Sundays 🤔

Struggling to understand you. Christianity is an imbibed lifestyle of our Lord Jesus Christ. We're not instructed to do anything, except
1. To love your neighbour as yourself
2. Follow the conviction of the Holy spirit.

Aprocco:
Struggling to understand you. Christianity is an imbibed lifestyle of our Lord Jesus Christ. We're not instructed to do anything, except
1. To love your neighbour as yourself
2. Follow the conviction of the Holy spirit.

I never knew that Christ practiced Christianity while on earth.

BAILMONEY:
➜Now let's hear from the master himself
Matthew 5:18 (NIV):
"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished
Which LAW is Christ referring to here🤔

Both the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, Jesus Christ of Israel. Moses gave to the people the State of Israel in the Land of Canaan(The Old Law of Moses), whereas Jesus Christ of Israel gave to the people of Israel the State referred to as the Kingdom of God(of which the Gospel is its own political framework). 🥱🥱

BAILMONEY:
➜You mean the scribes that changed the word of God

What scribes did that? When? According to the Quran, which came literally 600 years after Jesus Christ of Israel, Allah proclaimed the inspiration, preservation, and authority of both the Torah and Injeel, which existed before Mohammed. Allah also proclaimed that no man can change his word, implying that if they were changed, as you claim, then it could only mean that Allah himself is responsible for the change that could have occurred in those books. So, when were the words changed🥱🥱🥱

BAILMONEY:
Show me where the word CHRISTIANITY was mentioned in the so called new testament
I mean the word CHRISTIANITY not CHRISTIAN

. It was not mentioned anywhere in the Torah or Injeel, but the term Christian(a reference to the belief associated with the people, aka Christianity) was mentioned at least 15 times in the Quran. Basically, your Quran provides legitimacy to Christianity.

BAILMONEY:
➜But old testament told you to stone them to death now
Whatcha say about that

The political system that was the Law of Moses, which governed the lives and living of the Israelites(Jews who were only a subset of the people included) in the land of Canaan, was brought to a close when the Israelites where exiled from the land of Israel(and Judea) by the YHWH of Israel(by way of the Assyrians and then the Romans). As a result, all Israelites entered a cursed state(Deuteronomy 28,29,30) until they are redeemed and returned to the land by YHWH Himself. 🥱🥱

This took place at least 600 years before Mohammed showed up waving Islam in the faces of the Middle Easterners. Also, Mohammed's golden land is a land far removed from the land of canaan where the Israelite Covenant held sway for a time. So, why does it matter that ancient Kingdoms, which existed before Islam(Israel was just one of numerous civilizations that had stoning as a deterrent during that time for such crimes), had people stoned to death for the crime of adultery? 🥱🥱

BAILMONEY:
I never knew that Christ practiced Christianity while on earth.

Uncle slow! How many times do I have to tell you there's no religion called Christianity. Bible calls us "Believers" the world describes us as Christians (Christ- like in behaviour).

No where did anybody in the Bible refer to himself as Christians. People who saw them behave like Christ did.

Eniitankorede:
This is a fake story because Jesus said he came to uphold the law of Moses. What does the law of Moses day concerning adultery?

If he came to uphold the law of Moses, why was the woman not stoned to death 🙃

AntiChristian:
Where was Jesus when his father was giving out these laws to Israel?

If a man is found lying with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel. If there is a virgin pledged in marriage to a man, and another man encounters her in the city and sleeps with her, you must take both of them out to the gate of that city and stone them to death—the young woman because she did not cry out in the city, and the man because he has violated his neighbor’s wife. So you must purge the evil from among you. Deuteronomy 22:22-24

It seems the God of the Old Testament is not the same God in the new testament!

Can you ever understand
🙃

Eniitankorede:
✓ This is a fake story because Jesus said he came to uphold the law of Moses. What does the law of Moses day concerning adultery?

Jesus Christ of Israel lived in the land of Israel (the Judean nation that was left of it at the time) right before the Temple was destroyed and the people were entirely removed from power in it by the Romans. However, like Moses, He came to give His followers a new Law and a new Kingdom under which to live. 🥱🥱

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I know you do not speak or understand Arabic. So, this year, I advise you to pick up and read an English copy of the book. Read the entire Quran in 2026. And if you also plan to read the entire Bible as well. That way you can know better about Islam and also about the actual content of the Torah and Injeel, which even Mohammed claimed his Allah inspired, preserved, and authorized. 🥱🥱🥱

AntiChristian:
➜Where was Jesus when his father was giving out these laws to Israel?...

Where was Jesus when his father was giving out these laws to Israel?[/b]
If a man is found lying with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel. If there is a virgin pledged in marriage to a man, and another man encounters her in the city and sleeps with her, you must take both of them out to the gate of that city and stone them to death—the young woman because she did not cry out in the city, and the man because he has violated his neighbor’s wife. So you must purge the evil from among you. Deuteronomy 22:22-24

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1. Jesus Christ of Israel, the second Kingdom that YHWH had promised He would also give to His people of Israel, was said to come at the time of the destruction of the first Kingdom— the cursing and removal of the Israelites from power in Israel(Judea included), which took place in the first century AD. 🥱🥱

➜Why do you continually quote laws from the Torah regarding a nation that ceased to exist almost 600 years before Mohammed in support of Islam?
➜ Why do you ignore the Injeel, which was prophesied in the Torah to be the Law to usher in the end of days of the Torah Laws?
➜ Why do you continually default to the Old Law, which went into cessation after the Kingdom of God arrived, ushering in the destruction of the rest of the nation of Israel(Judea), the destruction of the temple, and the ceasing of power from the Israelites by the Romans?
➜ In the Quran, Mohammed claimed the Torah and Injeel were inspired, preserved, and authorized by him. So, did Allah forget that he had declared, in the Torah and again in the Injeel, the cessation of the nation of Israel, the exiling of a portion of his people, their complete overthrow from power by the Romans, after which the law of Israel goes into hiatus? 🥱🥱
➜ What was behind Mohammed's intention to conquer the world, even in 2026, using such primitive laws, not realizing that by 2026, humans would have advanced enough to realize such standards— rape and killing of women, rape of apostates, rape of children, subjugation of those who differ in their beliefs, drinking of camel urine and of zamzam water which analysis has shown to be detrimental to human health, etc.,— are not only irrational, barbaric and inhumane? 🥱🥱

I am very, very curious why and how you answer these questions.

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Several times in the Quran, Allah makes it known that the Quran was given in the language of the people it was meant for — the Arabic language— Quran 12 vs 2...Quran 14 vs 4...Quran 42 vs 7...Quran 44 vs 58...Quran 41 vs 44...etc, — so that the message is read and understood by those who read and hear it. The ability to simply comprehend the content of the book... not with the help of Scholars and all the many schools that exist today to offer millions of interpretations of the contents of the various Qurans... is a requirement for why it was released in the Arabic language to the Arabic people of Mohammed's time.

I know for a fact that you are not an Arab, nor do you understand the spoken language or the content that you have probably had to memorize in Arabic in the course of honoring Mohammed's demand that all Mohammedians memorize his text, so I would ask that this year, to gain that understanding that is a requirement from Allah, you pick up a copy of the Quran(any version you like), and read it in a language you actualy comprehend(English copy is a suggestion). Try to read through all 114 chapters of the book, and answer these questions I keep asking about the content.

Unlike the Torah and Injeel, which contain a record that spans approximately 2000-year-history of a people who were chosen by their God, YHWH, given a land and a nation, and then eventually booted from power in the land by their God, the entirety of the Quran and its numerous Hadiths are merely about one man— his beliefs, political views and opinions, and actions during the final 23 years of his life. It would be very interesting to understand why you continually reason that one book should be compared to the others. 🥱🥱

Aprocco:
Uncle slow! How many times do I have to tell you there's no religion called Christianity. Bible calls us "Believers" the world describes us as Christians (Christ- like in behaviour).

No where did anybody in the Bible refer to himself as Christians. People who saw them behave like Christ did.

Christ did not claim divinity, infact he preached oneness of God by telling the children of Israel saying

Mark 12:29

The most important thing is Hear o Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE

Deuteronomy 6:4

Hear o Israel, the Lord our God is one

BAILMONEY:
➜Christ did not claim divinity,
➜ infact he preached oneness of God by telling the children of Israel saying
➜ The most important thing is Hear o Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE

1. Clearly, you have never read the Injeel before, have you? What are you afraid of? 🥱🥱

2. Yes, Jesus Christ of Israel definitely preached YHWH, but He was not lying when He also said that He is the Son of YHWH, whom YHWH, through His Prophets, had promised in the Torah to the children of Israel. 🥱🥱

3. Did you miss the part in there where it is said "O Israel"? Not, "O Arabs," or "O Nigerians pretending to be Arabs,"...but "O Israel,"🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
1. Clearly, you have never read the Injeel before, have you? What are you afraid of? 🥱🥱

2. Yes, Jesus Christ of Israel definitely preached YHWH, but He was not lying when He also said that He is the Son of YHWH, whom YHWH, through His Prophets, had promised in the Torah to the children of Israel. 🥱🥱

Son of YHWH as how?

BAILMONEY:
Son of YHWH as how?

YHWH had originally declared Himself through Moses as the King over Israel; however, the poeple of Israel demanded a human king. That didn't work out well for them. So, David, the first righteous King of Israel— he earned his place with YHWH through obedience, mind you— asked YHWH to guarantee that his(David's) bloodline would rule over the Kingdom of Israel forever. YHWH promised David in the Torah that He, YHWH, would send Israel an eternal King from the bloodline of David to rule eternally over the Kingdom. (Eternity is God Himself.) It is for this reason that Jesus Christ of Israel was born of God and of the bloodline of David. Fascinating story!

I don't know why you folks hate reading the book, but you like to spend your days arguing endlessly about that which you are afraid to confront.

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Several times in the Quran, Allah makes it known that the Quran was given in the language of the people it was meant for — the Arabic language— Quran 12 vs 2...Quran 14 vs 4...Quran 42 vs 7...Quran 44 vs 58...Quran 41 vs 44...etc, — so that the message is read and understood by those who read and hear it. The ability to simply comprehend the content of the book... not with the help of Scholars and all the many schools that exist today to offer millions of interpretations of the contents of the various Qurans... is a requirement for why it was released in the Arabic language to the Arabic people of Mohammed's time.

I know for a fact that you are not an Arab, nor do you understand the spoken language or the content that you have probably had to memorize in Arabic in the course of honoring Mohammed's demand that all Mohammedians memorize his text, so I would ask that this year, to gain that understanding that is a requirement from Allah, you pick up a copy of the Quran(any version you like), and read it in a language you actualy comprehend(English copy is a suggestion). Try to read through all 114 chapters of the book, and answer these questions I keep asking about the content.

Unlike the Torah and Injeel, which contain a record that spans approximately 2000-year-history of a people who were chosen by their God, YHWH, given a land and a nation, and then eventually booted from power in the land by their God, the entirety of the Quran and its numerous Hadiths are merely about one man— his beliefs, political views and opinions, and actions during the final 23 years of his life. 🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
YHWH had originally declared Himself through Moses as the King over Israel; however, the poeple of Israel demanded a human king. That didn't work out well for them. So, David, the first righteous King of Israel— he earned his place with YHWH through obedience, mind you— asked YHWH to guarantee that his(David's) bloodline would rule over the Kingdom of Israel forever. YHWH promised David in the Torah that He, YHWH, would send Israel an eternal King from the bloodline of David to rule eternally over the Kingdom. (Eternity is God Himself.) It is for this reason that Jesus Christ of Israel was born of God and of the bloodline of David. Fascinating story!

I don't know why you folks hate reading the book, but you like to spend your days arguing endlessly about that which you are afraid to confront.

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Several times in the Quran, Allah makes it known that the Quran was given in the language of the people it was meant for — the Arabic language— Quran 12 vs 2...Quran 14 vs 4...Quran 42 vs 7...Quran 44 vs 58...Quran 41 vs 44...etc, — so that the message is read and understood by those who read and hear it. The ability to simply comprehend the content of the book... not with the help of Scholars and all the many schools that exist today to offer millions of interpretations of the contents of the various Qurans... is a requirement for why it was released in the Arabic language to the Arabic people of Mohammed's time.

I know for a fact that you are not an Arab, nor do you understand the spoken language or the content that you have probably had to memorize in Arabic in the course of honoring Mohammed's demand that all Mohammedians memorize his text, so I would ask that this year, to gain that understanding that is a requirement from Allah, you pick up a copy of the Quran(any version you like), and read it in a language you actualy comprehend(English copy is a suggestion). Try to read through all 114 chapters of the book, and answer these questions I keep asking about the content.

Unlike the Torah and Injeel, which contain a record that spans approximately 2000-year-history of a people who were chosen by their God, YHWH, given a land and a nation, and then eventually booted from power in the land by their God, the entirety of the Quran and its numerous Hadiths are merely about one man— his beliefs, political views and opinions, and actions during the final 23 years of his life. 🥱🥱

Who made Christ king over Israel?

Kobojunkie:
1. Clearly, you have never read the Injeel before, have you? What are you afraid of? 🥱🥱

2. Yes, Jesus Christ of Israel definitely preached YHWH, but He was not lying when He also said that He is the Son of YHWH, whom YHWH, through His Prophets, had promised in the Torah to the children of Israel. 🥱🥱

3. Did you miss the part in there where it is said "O Israel"? Not, "O Arabs," or "O Nigerians pretending to be Arabs,"...but "O Israel,"🥱🥱

O Israel means that he was talking directly to the children of Israel. He never claimed Trinity

BAILMONEY:
➜O Israel means that he was talking directly to the children of Israel.
➜ He never claimed Trinity

. Indeed, YHWH said that to the children of Israel in the nation of Israel, which He gave to them.

2. I am not concerned about the Trinity, which is related to the religion of Christianity. I am instead focused on His declaration that He is the Son of YHWH... the major reason why He was condemned to die by the Jews. 🥱🥱

BAILMONEY:
Who made Christ king over Israel?

YHWH promised that in the Torah, and did that in His Injeel! 🥱🥱

BAILMONEY:
Christ did not claim divinity, infact he preached oneness of God by telling the children of Israel saying

Mark 12:29

The most important thing is Hear o Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE

Deuteronomy 6:4

Hear o Israel, the Lord our God is one

That's cannot be the Gospel of Christ. In fact that was why he was killed- Blasphemy. He said I and my father are 1. I was there with God before Abraham was. No one cometh to the Father except through me.

John 3 16
For God so lovely the world, He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believe him shall have everlasting life. He who does not believe Jesus is the son of God is condemned already.

Bible said they sought to kill him for being a man equating Himself to God.

Aprocco:
That's cannot be the Gospel of Christ. In fact that was why he was killed- Blasphemy. He said I and my father are 1. I was there with God before Abraham was. No one cometh to the Father except through me.

John 3 16
For God so lovely the world, He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believe him shall have everlasting life. He who does not believe Jesus is the son of God is condemned already.

Bible said they sought to kill him for being a man equating Himself to God.

I and my father are 1 in purpose bruh.

Surah Maryam 19

It is not befitting for the majesty of Allah to beget a son; exulted is He, when he decrees a matter He only say to it Be and it Is.

Kobojunkie:
YHWH promised that in the Torah, and did that in His Injeel! 🥱🥱

show me the verse in the Torah

Kobojunkie:
. Indeed, YHWH said that to the children of Israel in the nation of Israel, which He gave to them.

2. I am not concerned about the Trinity, which is related to the religion of Christianity. I am instead focused on His declaration that He is the Son of YHWH... the major reason why He was condemned to die by the Jews. 🥱🥱

He died on the cross

BAILMONEY:
➜I and my father are 1 in purpose bruh.
Surah Maryam 19
It is not befitting for the majesty of Allah to beget a son; exulted is He, when he decrees a matter He only say to it Be and it Is.

So, does this mean that Allah made a huge mistake when Mohammed insisted that the Torah and the Injeel were both inspired, preserved, and authorized by Allah?

In Quran 3 vs 45, Quran 4 vs 171, and Quran 16 vs 40, Mohammed insists that Jesus is indeed the Messiah— the promised one prophesied by the prophets in the Torah and the Injeel—, and that He was born of Mary and Allah's Spirit... different from the way all other beings had been born previously and after.🥱🥱

If Allah could not beget a son, then why did Allah promise in the Torah and then in the Injeel to send his everlasting Son to the people of Israel? Did Allah forget?

Kobojunkie:
So, does this mean that Allah made a huge mistake when Mohammed insisted that the Torah and the Injeel were both inspired, preserved, and authorized by Allah?

In Quran 3 vs 45, Quran 4 vs 171, and Quran 16 vs 40, Mohammed insists that Jesus is indeed the Messiah— the promised one prophesied by the prophets in the Torah and the Injeel—, and that He was born of Mary and Allah's Spirit... different from the way all other beings had been born previously and after.🥱🥱

If Allah could not beget a son, then why did Allah promise in the Torah and then in the Injeel to send his everlasting Son to the people of Israel? Did Allah forget?

Do you even know the meaning of the word 'Everlasting'🤔

BAILMONEY:
He died on the cross

Well, Mohammed claims in his Quran that Allah instead had someone else die in place of Jesus on the cross. But the point here is there was a reason why he was condemned to die and that reason had to do with the fact, as stated by the previous poster, that Jesus said in the Injeel that He was the Son of YHWH and that He was even before their father Abraham, He has been with YHWH since before the beginning of man, etc. 🥱🥱

BAILMONEY:
➜Do you even know the meaning of the word 'Everlasting'🤔

Everlasting means never ending. The Quran literally has it that Jesus never died and is still alive even today, somewhere with Allah. And it does insist that Jesus will stand as witness against his followers on the day of Judgment. So? 🥱🥱

➜So, does this mean that Allah made a huge mistake when Mohammed insisted that the Torah and the Injeel were both inspired, preserved, and authorized by Allah?

In Quran 3 vs 45, Quran 4 vs 171, and Quran 16 vs 40, Mohammed insists that Jesus is indeed the Messiah— the promised one prophesied by the prophets in the Torah and the Injeel—, and that He was born of Mary and Allah's Spirit... different from the way all other beings had been born previously and after.🥱🥱

➜If Allah could not beget a son, then why did Allah promise in the Torah and then in the Injeel to send his everlasting Son to the people of Israel? Did Allah forget?

BAILMONEY:
➜show me the verse in the Torah

You mean you never read the story of David in the Torah? You don't know of the Covenant of Salt that YHWH made with David? You don't know why YHWH had the bloodline of David rule over the throne of Israel and then of Judea until it was captured by the Babylonians? How are you able to argue something you are not knowledgable of?

Kobojunkie:
Everlasting means never ending. The Quran literally has it that Jesus never died and is still alive even today, somewhere with Allah. And it does insist that Jesus will stand as witness against his followers on the day of Judgment. So? 🥱🥱

➜So, does this mean that Allah made a huge mistake when Mohammed insisted that the Torah and the Injeel were both inspired, preserved, and authorized by Allah?

In Quran 3 vs 45, Quran 4 vs 171, and Quran 16 vs 40, Mohammed insists that Jesus is indeed the Messiah— the promised one prophesied by the prophets in the Torah and the Injeel—, and that He was born of Mary and Allah's Spirit... different from the way all other beings had been born previously and after.🥱🥱

➜If Allah could not beget a son, then why did Allah promise in the Torah and then in the Injeel to send his everlasting Son to the people of Israel? Did Allah forget?

Allah did not make any mistake because Allah does not forget or contradict Himself. He revealed the Torah and the Injeel in truth, but people later changed their meanings and added their own beliefs. This is even stated in the Bible in Jeremiah 8:8 which says how can you say we are wise and the law of the Lord is with us when the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. Allah never promised a literal divine Son. The term son of God is metaphorical, meaning a servant or chosen one. Jesus is the Messiah and was born miraculously, but he is still a created being like Adam, not God or God’s son. Therefore there is no forgetting and no contradiction in Islam.

Islam does not deny the story of David or his covenant with God. The Qur’an affirms that David was chosen by Allah as a prophet and a king, given wisdom, knowledge, and authority to rule with justice. Allah supported his kingdom and favored him above many others.
But Islam rejects the idea that any covenant with David means an eternal divine bloodline or guaranteed rulership. Allah makes it clear that His covenant does not include wrongdoers and that honor with Him is based on righteousness, not lineage. So even if David was chosen, this does not mean God is bound to his descendants forever or that divine authority is inherited by blood.

Kobojunkie:
You mean you never read the story of David in the Torah? You don't know of the Covenant of Salt that YHWH made with David? You don't know why YHWH had the bloodline of David rule over the throne of Israel and then of Judea until it was captured by the Babylonians? How are you able to argue something you are not knowledgable of?

BAILMONEY:
➜Islam does not deny the story of David or his covenant with God. The Qur’an affirms that David was chosen by Allah as a prophet and a king, given wisdom, knowledge, and authority to rule with justice. Allah supported his kingdom and favored him above many others.
But Islam rejects the idea that any covenant with David means an eternal divine bloodline or guaranteed rulership.
➜ Allah makes it clear that His covenant does not include wrongdoers and that honor with Him is based on righteousness, not lineage. ➜ So even if David was chosen, this does not mean God is bound to his descendants forever, or that divine authority is inherited by blood.

1. So, what you are insinuating is that the Torah is not, in fact, inspired, preserved, and endorsed by Allah as claimed in the Quran by Mohammed? I ask this because it is written in the books of 2 Samuel 7 & 1 Chronicles 17 that David prayed to YHWH that his descendants sit on the throne forever, and in Psalms 89, 2 Samuel 23; Psalm 132 YHWH answered David, promising him. In Isaiah 9 and Isaiah 55, where reference is made to the throne of David and over his kingdom forever, it is actually a reference to the Covenant YHWH made to David. 🥱🥱

2. Allah does not give a covenant to wrongdoers, and Allah's honor with him is not based on bloodline, yet in the Torah, the covenant and honor of being chosen as His people as well as the only people capable of attaining righteousness by virtue of the covenant was given to the Israelites, particularly because they belonged to the bloodline that is Abraham AND Isaac AND Jacob— all three of them, not one of the other? 🥱🥱

Again, did Allah get it wrong when he claimed that the Torah and the Injeel were both inspired, preserved, and endorsed by him, as claimed by Mohammed in the Quran?

3. Did Allah forget what he did? Because the Torah records that it is YHWH who bound Himself to the bloodline of David forever in Psalm 89 and through many other reminders through His prophets. 🥱🥱