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| Re: Unmarried Woman Flogged 140 Times In Indonesia For Having Sex, Drinking Alcohol by Kobojunkie: 10:48pm On Feb 02 |
BAILMONEY:1. According to you, Allah, who Mohammed claims inspired, preserved, and endorsed the Torah and Injeel, did exactly that— contradicted himself. The Quran states that no man can change or remove the word of Allah. (Only Allah has the power to change his own word.) But here you are saying that people changed the meaning and added their own beliefs to Allah's word, implying that Allah must have lied in the Quran when he said no one can do that.  2 Likes |
| Re: Unmarried Woman Flogged 140 Times In Indonesia For Having Sex, Drinking Alcohol by Kobojunkie: 10:59pm On Feb 02*. Modified: 6:01am On Feb 03 |
BAILMONEY:1 . The answer to what is written in Jeremiah 8 vs 8, is found in the verses that precede the prophecy from which you clipped a verse out of context. 1 “‘At that time, declares the Lord, the bones of the kings and officials of Judah, the bones of the priests and prophets, and the bones of the people of Jerusalem will be removed from their graves.Scribes, even in Israel, during the time of the prophets were not allowed to intrepet the Law. Their primary and only job was to copy the Law as presented in the Book of the Law by the Prophets. The Law of Moses was never designed to be interpreted by any man; Moses warned his people against any attempts to add, change, or remove from the Law as He gave it to them. So, definitely, any scribe applying an interpretation to the Law did so in violation of the Law of Moses ... an act of treason/blasphemy which elicited the death penalty, according to the Law. The first set of scribes who are recorded to have directly applied interpretations to the Laws, thereby creating a religion instead of retaining the old political system that was the Law of Moses before them, were the Pharisees and the Sadducees, the rabbinic schools which are linked with the religion that is today known as Judaism. (Their various writings, which are interpretations and oral traditions, were later compiled into what is known as the Talmud and the Mishnah during the period around 200 - 500 AD.) Their time began after the Judeans were taken into captivity by the Greeks and eventually the Romans. The Pharisees and Sadducees were two major, often opposing, Jewish religious and political factions arising around the 2nd century BCE during the Hasmonean period. Pharisees were popular, pious laymen upholding oral law, while Sadducees were wealthy, priestly aristocrats controlling the Temple, rejecting oral traditions. Both influenced the Sanhedrin but differed on doctrines like the afterlife, which Sadducees rejected and Pharisees accepted.This was after Ezra, Nehemiah, and other prophets came back into the picture to rebuild in Jerusalem and re-teach the Old Law of Moses as previously written in the Torah. The religion of Judaism continued to exist in the land until even after the time of Jesus Christ of Israel, when the final judgement detailed in that prophecy in Jeremiah 8 was carried out. 🥱🥱 So, note the differences between the books. The Torah is the Books of the Law and the Prophets, the Book which the Injeel follows. The other Books are, instead, the Talmud and the Mishnah, which are books of myths/oral traditions and interpretations, written by the lying scribes spoken of by Jeremiah. 🥱🥱 It's never OK to quote a verse out of context when it concerns the Torah and the Injeel; you need to really know the story to know what it applies to. 🥱🥱 2 Likes |
| Re: Unmarried Woman Flogged 140 Times In Indonesia For Having Sex, Drinking Alcohol by Kobojunkie: 11:00pm On Feb 02 |
BAILMONEY:1. So, back to the major issue, did Allah lie? Again, the Torah and the Injeel, which Mohammed claimed that Allah certified the inspiration, preservation, and endorsement of are the copies that existed at the time of Mohammed —they date back to the period about 200-300 years before Jesus Christ of Israel — the time of Prophet Ezra and Nehemiah — (The Torah here) and the period before the destruction of Jerusalem in the first century(the injeel was written before the destruction of Jerusalem). And those are the same Laws we have today. So, if Allah certified these books back during the 7th century, why are you now claiming they were tweaked when Allah also said only he can change or remove from his word? 🥱🥱 2. The word Messiah means the one promised by YHWH, and the promised reference that applies to Jesus is to the forever King that was promised to the children of Israel of the line of David. That position comes tied to many prophecies included the part that He is also the promised redeemer of the nation of Israel. So, when you say that he is a created being like Adam, how come he is like no other son of Adam that ever existed, and the Quran has it that Jesus Christ, unlike Adam himself, never died— he lives even today somewhere with Allah? 3. But according to your very proclamation, either Allah forgot that he inspired, preserved, and endorsed the Torah and the Injeel, or Allah completely forgot all that he proclaimed through the many prophets of Israel in the Torah and the Injeel! 🥱🥱🥱 2 Likes |
| Re: Unmarried Woman Flogged 140 Times In Indonesia For Having Sex, Drinking Alcohol by Aprocco: 7:01am On Feb 03 |
BAILMONEY:Jesus was not begotten like you or any other mortal. That's a child of the Holy Ghost that is not possible by science. Christianity is the nickname the world gave us, we are believers of the gospel of Christ. He who believes Jesus is the son of God, came to die for us, is risen and fitted on the right side of God is saved already. He who does not are condemned already like the Pharisees and Saducees. From birth to death to resurrection, it was clear that Jesus is not a mortal. 1 Like |
| Re: Unmarried Woman Flogged 140 Times In Indonesia For Having Sex, Drinking Alcohol by BAILMONEY: 9:43am On Feb 03 |
Aprocco:Was prophet Adam begotten like you and I  If no then you are not making any sense |
| Re: Unmarried Woman Flogged 140 Times In Indonesia For Having Sex, Drinking Alcohol by AntiChristian: 9:53am On Feb 03 |
Sirmwill:I can't cos i don't have Holy Spirit. You wey understand can you explain? |
| Re: Unmarried Woman Flogged 140 Times In Indonesia For Having Sex, Drinking Alcohol by AntiChristian: 10:24am On Feb 03 |
Kobojunkie:The nation ceased to exist and that's not our business! What you are asked is why is YHWH, the merciful God so brutal in the old testament compared to the New testament when his son was around? ➜ Why do you ignore the Injeel, which was prophesied in the Torah to be the Law to usher in the end of days of the Torah Laws?The Injeel bring said it clearly to the canaanite woman that he (Jesus) was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel. I am not an Israelite! ➜ Why do you continually default to the Old Law, which went into cessation after the Kingdom of God arrived, ushering in the destruction of the rest of the nation of Israel(Judea), the destruction of the temple, and the ceasing of power from the Israelites by the Romans?The law was from YHWH, same God you still worship today! Same God Jesus worshipped in the Bible. The law was said to be inspired by the Holy Spirit and hence should make sense! 2 Timothy 3:16 - All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. We should scrutinize these scriptures to see they conform to these words! ➜ In the Quran, Mohammed claimed the Torah and Injeel were inspired, preserved, and authorized by him. So, did Allah forget that he had declared, in the Torah and again in the Injeel, the cessation of the nation of Israel, the exiling of a portion of his people, their complete overthrow from power by the Romans, after which the law of Israel goes into hiatus? 🥱🥱Whenever you are asked a question you divert from it and ask/answer your own! Where did Allah made such claims in the Qur'an? The Torah was specifically for the people of Moses just as the Injeel were for the people of Israel. The Injeel was not even a written book but what Jesus taught! ➜ What was behind Mohammed's intention to conquer the world, even in 2026, using such primitive laws, not realizing that by 2026, humans would have advanced enough to realize such standards— rape and killing of women, rape of apostates, rape of children, subjugation of those who differ in their beliefs, drinking of camel urine and of zamzam water which analysis has shown to be detrimental to human health, etc.,— are not only irrational, barbaric and inhumane? 🥱🥱Where can these be found if not in the Bible? What analyses? I am very, very curious why and how you answer these questions.Are they not being answered? As usual, you'll pick a few from these and continue your rant without being holistic. Several times in the Quran, Allah makes it known that the Quran was given in the language of the people it was meant for — the Arabic language— Quran 12 vs 2...Quran 14 vs 4...Quran 42 vs 7...Quran 44 vs 58...Quran 41 vs 44...etc, — so that the message is read and understood by those who read and hear it. The ability to simply comprehend the content of the book... not with the help of Scholars and all the many schools that exist today to offer millions of interpretations of the contents of the various Qurans... is a requirement for why it was released in the Arabic language to the Arabic people of Mohammed's time.This is entirely false. In reality, some of the companions of the Prophet were not from Arabia. Even in the Prophet's time non-Arabs did convert to Islam. Examples include: Salman the Persian (Persia): A former Zoroastrian who famously suggested digging a trench to defend Medina. Bilal ibn Rabah (Abyssinia/Ethiopia): A former slave who became the first Muezzin (caller to prayer) in Islam. Suhayb ar-Rumi (Roman Empire): An ethnic Arab who was raised as a slave in the Byzantine Empire and spoke Greek as his first language. Maria al-Qibtiyya (Egypt): A Coptic Christian sent to the Prophet from the governor of Egypt; she was the mother of his son Ibrahim. Abdullah ibn Salam (Jewish/Levant): A prominent Medinan rabbi and descendant of the Prophet Joseph who converted to Islam. Jaban al-Kurdi (Kurdistan): Reputed to be the first Kurdish companion. Cheraman Perumal (India): According to regional tradition, a king from Kerala who traveled to Arabia to meet the Prophet. Qais Abdur Rashid (Afghanistan): Considered the legendary ancestor of the Pashtuns who traveled from modern-day Pakistan to meet the Prophet. Addas (Nineveh/Iraq): A Christian slave boy from Mesopotamia who was the first person in Taif to convert. I know for a fact that you are not an Arab, nor do you understand the spoken language or the content that you have probably had to memorize in Arabic in the course of honoring Mohammed's demand that all Mohammedians memorize his text, so I would ask that this year, to gain that understanding that is a requirement from Allah, you pick up a copy of the Quran(any version you like), and read it in a language you actualy comprehend(English copy is a suggestion). Try to read through all 114 chapters of the book, and answer these questions I keep asking about the content.I am truly not an Arab but not understanding the text of the Qur'an is false. And you won't be the one to tell me to read the Qur'an! We memorise it and live by it. Unlike the Torah and Injeel, which contain a record that spans approximately 2000-year-history of a people who were chosen by their God, YHWH, given a land and a nation, and then eventually booted from power in the land by their God, the entirety of the Quran and its numerous Hadiths are merely about one man— his beliefs, political views and opinions, and actions during the final 23 years of his life. It would be very interesting to understand why you continually reason that one book should be compared to the others. 🥱🥱Lies upon lies! Falsehood upon falsehood! The 4 Gospels that were all about Jesus in different ways escaped your eyes? And also about Paul and some disciples! Chai, this your rant no get juice at all! No substance! The Qur'an did mentioned Adam, Joseph, Noah, Abraham, Moses and many others and yet you still lied that it was all about one man? You sabi lie! |
| Re: Unmarried Woman Flogged 140 Times In Indonesia For Having Sex, Drinking Alcohol by Kobojunkie: 3:49pm On Feb 03 |
AntiChristian:1. Brutal? I actually don't consider them brutal for their time. Yes, they would be considered inhumane for our time, but having studied other nations that existed during that same time, and afterwards, I cannot help but walk away believing I can't judge the nation of Israel's Laws unfairly, knowing other civilizations around that time had the same laws and sometimes even worse. To this day, I have yet to come up against any nation that existed around the same time with much better laws or a human rights track record. Even the great Greeks and Romans were not much different or better as far as Laws are concerned. 🥱 So, to answer your question, I do not share your opinion that YHWH was more brutal than Jesus Christ of Israel. Rather, YHWH set up a nation for men(that was to be ruled by men) with Laws in place that mirrored the traditions of the times in question. Jesus Christ of Israel , who came as a man, lived in said nation and bowed himself down to the same Law as an Israelite. 🥱🥱 2. So, you are not an Israelite, but you pretend it is your place to judge your Mohammedian political system by an Israelites-only political system that ceased to exist about 2000 years ago? Make that make sense to me, please. 🥱🥱 2 Likes |
| Re: Unmarried Woman Flogged 140 Times In Indonesia For Having Sex, Drinking Alcohol by Aprocco: 3:56pm On Feb 03 |
BAILMONEY:You Muslims and this warped message you all carry about. Isn't there someone amongst you to open the eyes of the others that there is a difference between "Created" Adam without a father and a "Begotten" Jesus without a father. Adam, like another creature as Beast, Fish or the Birds had no father ast it logically should be. Jesus on the contrary was not created and the only creature born without a father. Jesus is a scientific impossibility. 1 Like |
| Re: Unmarried Woman Flogged 140 Times In Indonesia For Having Sex, Drinking Alcohol by AntiChristian: 4:42pm On Feb 03 |
Kobojunkie:So mean the nation that uses God"s laws is not much better than those who don't use it? So what's the point of Holy Spirit/God inspiring? I still think your YHWH should have given Israel better laws than killings and carnage like that! So, to answer your question, I do not share your opinion that YHWH was more brutal than Jesus Christ of Israel. Rather, YHWH set up a nation for men(that was to be ruled by men) with Laws in place that mirrored the traditions of the times in question. Jesus Christ of Israel , who came as a man, lived in said nation and bowed himself down to the same Law as an Israelite. 🥱🥱As you said previously, times were different! Moses and Joshua were militarized unlike John and Jesus that came later! So the inspiration that came to Moses involves war and killing strategem as seen in Deuteronomy 20. Also Moses will be the law maker as he had real power to enforce the laws! Jesus on the other had will embrace peace and bow down to the law of the day as he had no military to face the Romans! Also Jesus had limitations in enforcing any law and i don't think there were any law punishing any vices from Jesus. It is clear YHWH was extremely brutal in the OT. 2. So, you are not an Israelite, but you pretend it is your place to judge your Mohammedian political system by an Israelites-only political system that ceased to exist about 2000 years ago? Make that make sense to me, please. 🥱🥱If Israel could have such brutal system in the Bible inspired from YHWH, i wonder what moral standing you have to even mention Islam here. Qur'an is to all of Mankind! 1. Qur'an 2:185 The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Quran, a guidance for mankind and clear proofs for the guidance and the criterion (between right and wrong). So whoever of you sights (the crescent on the first night of) the month (of Ramadan i.e. is present at his home), he must observe Saum (fasts) that month, and whoever is ill or on a journey, the same number [of days which one did not observe Saum (fasts) must be made up] from other days. Allah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you. (He wants that you) must complete the same number (of days), and that you must magnify Allah [i.e. to say Takbir (Allahu-Akbar; Allah is the Most Great) on seeing the crescent of the months of Ramadan and Shawwal] for having guided you so that you may be grateful to Him. 2. Qur'an 4:174 O mankind! Verily, there has come to you a convincing proof (Prophet Muhammad SAW) from your Lord, and We sent down to you a manifest light (this Quran). 3. Qur'an 21:107 And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists). |
| Re: Unmarried Woman Flogged 140 Times In Indonesia For Having Sex, Drinking Alcohol by Kobojunkie: 6:48pm On Feb 03 |
AntiChristian:1. Here's the question. A nation ruled by men who were identified in that nation which no longer exists in our world today as some of the vilest people by the same God who gave them the political system that established by them the nation of Israel... where do you get the idea that the nation was designed to be much better simply by them having a Law directly from the God of their ancestors? 🥱🥱 2. Well... coulda...woulda...shoulda... we all know YHWH of Israel gave His people a Law that reflected, in many ways, the traditions and peoples of the time in question. 🥱🥱 3. The business of Jesus Christ of Israel, himself an Israelite, is not what this here is about. 🥱🥱🥱 4. I don't care for your moral... morality to me is bullsheet that is related to religion, of which I have none. I simply believe in the Universal Human Rights of all human beings in 2026, and Islam is a political system, in 2026, which seeks to deny people of their Universal Human Rights, even willing to butcher people as we see going on in Iran, for that cause. 🥱🥱 I have been reading the Quran and came to realize that the bulk of the so-called Christian and Jewish stories in the book come not from the Torah and the Injeel, but actually from the Mishnah and the Talmud— the books that were compiled from the writings of the lying scribes described by Jeremiah—, which were compiled only 400 to 100 years before Mohammed. This leads me to realize that Mohammed probably made a mistake when he claimed Allah authored the Torah and the Injeel, by the way. By the way, you are yet to make sense of your brandishing laws that went into hiatus almost 2000 years ago in 2026. 🥱🥱 2 Likes |
| Re: Unmarried Woman Flogged 140 Times In Indonesia For Having Sex, Drinking Alcohol by Kobojunkie: 7:01pm On Feb 03 |
AntiChristian:1. So, Allah, who said in the Quran that He gave the books, that is the Torah and the Injeel, to the people of the books, lied? Is that what you are implying? 🥱🥱 In the Quran, Mohammed claimed the Torah and Injeel were inspired, preserved, and authorized by him. So, did Allah forget that he had declared, in the Torah and again in the Injeel, the cessation of the nation of Israel, the exiling of a portion of his people, their complete overthrow from power by the Romans, after which the law of Israel goes into hiatus? 🥱🥱 2. Your previous post contained verses from your Quran suggesting that even today, Mohammed's mission to conquer mankind with his Quran still applies, did you not? And is mankind currently limited to existing Islamic nations, even those like Iran were the people no longer want to be under Islamic law? 🥱🥱 3. I didn't start dealing with evasive beings such as yourself today. Answer the question! 🥱🥱 2 Likes |
| Re: Unmarried Woman Flogged 140 Times In Indonesia For Having Sex, Drinking Alcohol by BAILMONEY: 1:24pm On Feb 05 |
Aprocco:Interesting 😂 World according to you gave you the name CHRISTIANS while Almighty creator of heaven and earth called us Muslims in his holy Quran. Why una nor dey reason at all bruh  |
| Re: Unmarried Woman Flogged 140 Times In Indonesia For Having Sex, Drinking Alcohol by OLAADEGBU(op): 2:30pm On Feb 19 |
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