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The Fallacy which lies in the Theory of
Predestination and Divine Election

< Romans 8:28-30 >
“And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreoverwhom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He. justified, these He also glorified.”

Did God in fact elect only some of us?
No. He elected all of us in Jesus Christ.

The theological theory of predestination and divine election, which is one of the basic theologies which make up Christian doctrine, has led many who want to believe in Jesus to misunderstand the word of God. This misguided theory has caused much confusion.

What untrue theologies say about predestination is that God elected the people He loves while condemning those He dislikes. This means that some who were elected are born again of water and the Spirit and
accepted into Heaven while the others who were not elected are destined to burn in hell.
If God in fact elects only some of us, we cannot help but agonize over the question, “Was I elected for salvation?” If we were not elected, it would be useless for us to believe in Jesus. Thus this theory has made many people more concerned with whether they were elected by God than with faith itself.

If we believe this how can we be free of doubts and believe only in God? How do we confirm that God really elected us? He would be God only to those elected, even though He says, “Is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also” (Romans 3:29). Because many people misunderstand the meaning of predestination and divine election, they fear they will be destroyed even though they believe in Jesus.

Ephesians 1:3-5 says, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.”

Therefore we should review the concept of
theological predestination and divine election. We should first understand what the Bible says about predestination and divine election and strengthen our belief in salvation through the water and the Spirit.
What does Romans tell us? Some theologians
developed the unfounded theory of “unconditional election.” Is theology God, then? Theology itself is not God.

Even before the creation of the world, God chose all of humankind in Jesus Christ and made up His mind to save all of us by making us righteous. Jesus loves us unconditionally. Don’t make Him a discriminating God. Unbelievers have faith in their own thoughts but believers put the basis of their faith in the written word of God.

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DIVINE ELECTION IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

Is the theory of unconditional election true?
No. Our Lord is not such a narrow-minded
God. God chose all sinners in Jesus, not just a select few.

In Genesis 25:21-26, we read about the two sons of Isaac, Esau and Jacob. God chose Jacob while the two sons of Isaac were still in their mother’s womb. Those who misunderstand the word of God take this
as the basis of the theory of unconditional election. This is like mixing a god of fate into Christianity.

If we believe that God chooses us on the basis of “unconditional election” and not in Jesus Christ, then it is the same as if we worship a god of fate and idols. God is not a god of fate. If we were to believe in a god of fate, we would be denying God’s plan for us and falling into Satan’s trap.

If people are not obedient to God’s will, then they are nothing more than the beasts which are destined to perish. Since we believers are not beasts, we should become true believers who read and believe the truth written in the Bible. Not to think first of the written truth in the Bible is to deliver oneself over to Satan. To have true faith, we should first think about the written truth in the Bible and follow the faith of those reborn in Christ.

Calvinism insists on limited redemption. This implies that the love of God and the redemption of the Lord donot apply to some. Can this be true? The Bible says, “God desires all men to be saved” (1Timothy 2:4). If the blessing of redemption only applied to some, many believers would give up believing in Jesus. After all, who would want to believe in such a narrow-minded God?

We have to have confidence that our God is notnarrow-minded. He is the God of Truth, Love, and Justice.We have to believe in Jesus and the gospel of being born again of water and the Spirit and thus be saved from all our sins. Jesus is the Savior of all who are born again of water and the Spirit.

According to Calvinism, if there were ten people, some of them would be saved by God while the others would be left to be burn in the fires of hell. This is untrue. It doesn’t make any sense to say that God loves some
and discards others. Imagine that God is here with us today. If He decided to elect those who are sitting on the right side while making up His mind to send all those who are sitting on the left side to hell, would we treat Him as God? Wouldn’t those who were discarded raise their voices in protest? All creatures would cry out, “How can God be so unfair?”

Unconditional election is untrue because God elected all of humankind in Jesus Christ. Therefore anybody who is called by God in the name of Christ is elected. Then, who does God call to Him? He calls sinners, not the righteous. God does not call those who regard themselves as the righteous. God’s blessing of redemption is for sinners and those who are damned to hell. Election means God’s calls sinners in order to make them His righteous sons.

Man is God's way of experiencing his creation, so the idea of predestination. does not apply.
what I mean is that each of us is God, experiencing life in different ways.
God created the heaven and the earth and everything that is within it., and the proceeded to mold a statue with the dust of the earth, after which he sent his spirit into the statue, and it came to life(because a living soul).
when man ate or did not not eat depending on which story you read, he was introduced into the reality of polarity. He lost the chance of dwelling on earth indefinitely. he now experiences death, which simply means return to default, the spirit to God and the dust to the earth.
The law was given to make the experience worthwhile....

like I always say, if Jesus existed, he is no different from us. we are all divine beings having a human experience.

The story of Isaac and Jacob, is same as the story of Enlil and Enki. They refer to the right and left side of God. while GOD was pleased with Jacob and his sons and daughters, he was not with the sons of Esau. They both represent out positive and negative inclinations or emotions.

sonmvayina:
Man is God's way of experiencing his creation, so the idea of predestination. does not apply.
what I mean is that each of us is God, experiencing life in different ways.
God created the heaven and the earth and everything that is within it., and the proceeded to mold a statue with the dust of the earth, after which he sent his spirit into the statue, and it came to life(because a living soul).
when man ate or did not not eat depending on which story you read, he was introduced into the reality of polarity. He lost the chance of dwelling on earth indefinitely. he now experiences death, which simply means return to default, the spirit to God and the dust to the earth.
The law was given to make the experience worthwhile....

like I always say, if Jesus existed, he is no different from us. we are all divine beings having a human experience.

You are not God. Man is not God. You are not like Jesus, never compare yourself with Him, you are just but mere dust. Stop speaking blasphemies.

Man is God is the very idealogy of the Antichrist emanating from Satan.

Revelation 13:18
"Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."

Satan seeks to instill the evil desire in man to desire to become like God. We see this in Genesis 3:5 where Satan lied to Eve saying, " For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Satan himself had harboured desire to be God. We see this in Isaiah 14:12-14, “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’

However, he failed and was cast out from heaven so he now seeks to deceive mankind with such lies that they can become God. So if you claim to be God, then you are merely speaking demonic words having your mind already deceived by Satan. You are no divine being but merely dust that will die and have its spirit returned back to its Creator, the true Divine Being. You will be returned if righteous to the kingdom of heaven but if a sinner, to the everlasting fires of hell.

GOD IS JUST

Does God love only a select few? No, the Lord is not so narrow-minded. God is Just.

God is Just. He is not the God who loves only
unconditionally elected ones. He called sinners in the name of Christ. Without salvation through the redemption of Jesus Christ and His forgiveness of sins, how could we know God’s love and salvation? Never make Him an unjust God.

Try to find what is missing when you read Ephesians 1:3-5. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in
the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.” What is missing? The missing word is “in Jesus Christ.”

Unconditional election in Calvinism does not
correspond with the words of the Bible. The Bible says, “He chose us in Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world.” God chose all of humankind in Christ to be born again of water and the Spirit. Those who cannot help but be born sinners can be redeemed of sin and become His children. He included all of humankind in the list of those to be saved and elected them in Jesus Christ.

Because many theologians who insist
on unconditional election say that only some are chosen, many people are trapped in the chaos of belief in completely irrational doctrines. These false theologians say that God chooses some and discards the others through unconditional election, while the truth of His word is that God chose all sinners in Jesus. Many people fall victim to untrue doctrine owing to their superstitious beliefs.

Recognize that if we recognize that God decided to save all of humankind in Jesus, that the remission of sin applies to everyone who believes in Jesus. By doing so, we can be saved from all our sins, become children of God, become righteous people, have everlasting life, and have confidence that God is Just.

estheragha:
You are not God. Man is not God. You are not like Jesus, never compare yourself with Him, you are just but mere dust. Stop speaking blasphemies.

Man is God is the very idealogy of the Antichrist emanating from Satan.

Revelation 13:18
"Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."

Satan seeks to instill the evil desire in man to desire to become like God. We see this in Genesis 3:5 where Satan lied to Eve saying, " For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Satan himself had harboured desire to be God. We see this in Isaiah 14:12-14, “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’

However, he failed and was cast out from heaven so he now seeks to deceive mankind with such lies that they can become God. So if you claim to be God, then you are merely speaking demonic words having your mind already deceived by Satan. You are no divine being but merely dust that will die and have its spirit returned back to its Creator, the true Divine Being. You will be returned if righteous to the kingdom of heaven but if a sinner, to the everlasting fires of hell.

you went off track.
did even read the truth I posted at all. if not, why mention me.
Go back and read it slowly and only comment when you have understood the message I was passing, take as much time as you want.

estheragha:
GOD IS JUST
Does God love only a select few? No, the Lord is not so narrow-minded. God is Just.

Jesus said:

“For there are many invited, but FEW chosen.” Matthew 22:14

You need to understand what this verse mean because Jesus emphasized that its just a few that are chosen and the kingdom of heavens belongs to them! Luke 12:32

sonmvayina:
you went off track.
did even read the truth I posted at all. if not, why mention me.
Go back and read it slowly and only comment when you have understood the message I was passing, take as much time as you want.

You said, " each one of us is God". That is the very lie i was addressing.
Did i misunderstood? How?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said:

“For there are many invited, but FEW chosen.” Matthew 22:14

You need to understand what this verse mean because Jesus emphasized that its just a few that are chosen and the kingdom of heavens belongs to them! Luke 12:32

This passage means that the whole world is invited to salvation but the chosen few are those who have become truly bornagain by believing in the gospel of being born of water and Spirit. They are chosen to be God's children because they have fulfilled the condition for entering heaven.

It does not in any way suggests that God randomly chose few and discarded others for reason, unconditionally.

Salvation is open to all but the reality is that only few have been saved. This doesnt mean that many will still not be saved.

Revelation 7:9-10
[9]After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
[10]and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

estheragha:
This passage means that the whole world is invited to salvation but the chosen few are those who have become truly bornagain by believing in the gospel of being born of water and Spirit. They are chosen to be God's children because they have fulfilled the condition for entering heaven.

It does not in any way suggests that God randomly chose few and discarded others for reason, unconditionally.

Salvation is open to all but the reality is that only few have been saved. This doesnt mean that many will still not be saved.

Revelation 7:9-10
[9]After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
[10]and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

Are you saying that all who would be saved would go to heaven? If yes, what happens to the earth?

Are you saying only the few will gain everlasting life?

estheragha:
This passage means that the whole world is invited to salvation but the chosen few are those who have become truly bornagain by believing in the gospel of being born of water and Spirit. They are chosen to be God's children because they have fulfilled the condition for entering heaven. It does not in any way suggests that God randomly chose few and discarded others for reason, unconditionally. Salvation is open to all but the reality is that only few have been saved. This doesnt mean that many will still not be saved.
Revelation 7:9-10
[9]After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
[10]and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

estheragha:
You said, " each one of us is God". That is the very lie i was addressing.
Did i misunderstood? How?

that is not what i said, read it again....

sonmvayina:
that is not what i said, read it again....

You said, "What i mean is that each of us is God, experiencing life in different ways................If Jesus existed, he is no different from us."

I think you should read what you posted again. Considering that Jesus is God, how exactly are you the same as Him?

If you dont mean Man is God, then what exactly are you talking about?

Michael547:
Are you saying that all who would be saved would go to heaven? If yes, what happens to the earth?

The earth shall be destroyed.

2 Peter 3:7,10
[7]But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[10]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

Revelation 21:1
[1]Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying only the few will gain everlasting life?

I never said so. The Bible says,

Revelation 7:9-10
[9]After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
[10]and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

So where will this great crowd be?

estheragha:
I never said so. The Bible says,

Revelation 7:9-10
[9]After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
[10]and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

DIVINE ELECTION IN THE STORY OF JACOB
AND ESAU

Whom did God elect? Only the chosen
ones? No. God elected all humankind in
Christ. So, whoever believes in Christ
and has no sin through the baptism of
Jesus is elected.

In Genesis 25:19-28, Esau and Jacob were struggling together within their mother Rebekah’s womb. God said in Genesis 25:23, “And the Lord said to her: ‘Two nations are in your womb, two peoples shall be separated from your body; one people shall be stronger than the other, and the older shall serve the younger.’” Sinners turned these words into the theory of theological predestination and divine election, leaving many who believe in Jesus confused as to whether they were chosen or not! When they consider themselves chosen, they think that they are saved and lose interest in being born again of water and the Spirit.

The concept of unconditional election has turned many people who believed in Jesus away from redemption and condemned them to hell. It has also made God appear unjust. Because so many theologians teach untrue doctrine which sprang from their own thoughts, many who believe in Jesus become insecure and wonder if they were chosen, or whether their redemption was predestined.

Of Jacob and Esau, whom did God elect? He chose Jacob in Jesus Christ. In Romans 9:10-11, it is said thatGod called Jacob instead of his brother even though they were conceived by one man, as yet unborn, and had done nothing either good or bad. God’s purpose was to elect Jacob, not because of his works but because of His election. The Bible also tells us that Jesus came to call sinners, not just those who have lived upright lives. All people, as descendants of Adam, are born sinners. David said he was a sinner from the time he was in his mother’s womb and that he was born in iniquity. “I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me” (Psalms 51:5).

All people are born as sinners because of the sins of their ancestors. So everyone who is born in this world unwittingly becomes a sinner, acts as a sinner, and bears the fruits of sin. A child who has not yet committed any sin is already a sinner because he was born with the seed of sin. He has evil thoughts, adultery, fornication and murder in his heart. He was born with his ancestor’s sins. All people are sinners even before they are born. The reason God made us infirm is as follows. Humankind is God’s creation, but the Lord had plans to make us His children by saving us from sin. That is why He allowed Adam to sin.

When we became sinners as a result, God sent Jesusto this world, allowing His only begotten Son to take away all the sins of humankind through His baptism. God’s intention was to redeem humankind through the baptism of Jesus and His blood on the Cross and to give them the power to become His children by believing in Jesus. He allowed Adam to sin on the promise of washing away all sin in Christ.

Sinners who believe in false doctrine say, “Look at Jacob and Esau. He chose one and discarded the other unconditionally.” God didn’t elect us unconditionally, but elected us in Jesus Christ. We only have to look up the
written words in the Bible. Romans 9:10-12 says, “And not only this, but when Rebekah also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), it was said to her, ‘The older shall serve the younger.’”

God chose Jacob in Jesus. Jacob was a model of sinners who are unworthy and bereft of their own righteousness. Ephesians 1:4 says God chose us in Him. Who did God call? He called Jacob because Jacob knew that he was sinful and unrighteous before God and he relied on God. He called Jacob in the name of His own Son Jesus and redeemed him with the gospel of the water and the blood to make him His child. So, God called Jacob and blessed him with redemption. He called sinners to make them righteous through redemption in Jesus. That is God’s plan.

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estheragha:
The earth shall be destroyed.

2 Peter 3:7,10
[7]But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[10]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

Revelation 21:1
[1]Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

1)If the earth would be destroyed according to the verse that you quoted, what would happen to the heavens according to that same verse?

2)Below is 2 Peter 3:13.

King James Bible
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

What is the new heavens and what is the new earth?

MaxInDHouse:
So where will this great crowd be?

In heaven, before the throne of God.

Revelation 7:9-10
[9]After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
[10]and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

Michael547:
1)If the earth would be destroyed according to the verse that you quoted, what would happen to the heavens according to that same verse?

2)Below is 2 Peter 3:13.

King James Bible
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

What is the new heavens and what is the new earth?

2 Peter 3:7
"But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The heavens shall also be destroyed but the Bible didnt specify which particular heavens as there are multiple heavens since the word is used in plural; heavens, indicating more than one heaven.

We also see another indication of multiple heavens in 2 Corinthians 12:2, which states, " I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.

So it means there are multiple heavens. The Bible only said both the heavens and earth will be destroyed.

The new heavens and earth is the one God will create after the destruction of the old ones.

THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION

Why did God love Jacob?
Because Jacob knew of his unrighteousness.

I recently read a book based on a story of
unconditional election. A young man had a dream. An old woman appeared in the dream and told the young man to come to a certain place, and he went. Then the old woman told him that he was chosen by God. He asked the old woman how could God have elected him when he doesn’t even believe in God? She told him that God unconditionally chose him despite his faithlessness. This is untrue. How could God arbitrarily condemn some people to hell and choose others for salvation? God elected everyone in Jesus.

Theological election theory that excludes Jesus is false. It is untrue. But many theologians insist that God chose only some of us. That is not true. God wants to save everyone in Jesus. Only those who don’t believe in the redemption of the water and the Spirit in Jesus will not be saved. God predestined all humankind for salvation through His Son, Jesus, and intended to make us His children even before He created the world. He planned to save humankind from all the sins of the world through the redemption of Jesus Christ. This is the truth as it is written in the Bible.

The righteous who are reborn in Christ are the chosen ones. But theologians insist that God chooses only some of us. They say, for example, that Buddhist monks are among those who God did not choose. But God also
elected them in Jesus. If God unconditionally elected some without Jesus, we would not need to preach the gospel. If God had planned to elect someone without Jesus, sinners would not need to believe in Jesus. How then could His words of Love, Truth, and deliverance be fulfilled? Would there be any reason for the servants of God to preach the gospel in this world? Does it make any sense that God has already unconditionally elected the redeemed and the damned without Jesus?

The reason God chose Jacob in Jesus, the reason He loved Jacob and hated Esau is that He already knew before they were created that Jacob would believe in Jesus and Esau would not believe in Him. There are many sinners in this world who believe in Jesus. Some of them are like Esau and the others are like Jacob. Why did God love Jacob? Jacob was unrighteous and knew of his unworthiness. Therefore he admitted that he was a sinner before God and asked for His grace. That is why God saved Jacob. But Esau relied more on himself than the Lord and didn’t hunger for the grace of God. So God said He loved Jacob and hated Esau. This is the word of truth. God predestined us all for salvation in Jesus. All sinners have to do is to believe in Jesus. Then God’s Truth and Justice will be instilled in their hearts. We sinners can do nothing but believe with all our hearts in being saved through Jesus. All we have to do is believe in redemption through Jesus.

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estheragha:
2 Peter 3:7
"But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The heavens shall also be destroyed but the Bible didnt specify which particular heavens as there are multiple heavens since the word is used in plural; heavens, indicating more than one heaven.

We also see another indication of multiple heavens in 2 Corinthians 12:2, which states, " I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.

So it means there are multiple heavens. The Bible only said both the heavens and earth will be destroyed.

The new heavens and earth is the one God will create after the destruction of the old ones.

1)So are you saying that God will destroy all the heavens and create all the heavens again?

So if all the heavens and earth are destroyed, where will humans be before the new heavens and earth is created?

estheragha:
You said, "What i mean is that each of us is God, experiencing life in different ways................If Jesus existed, he is no different from us."

I think you should read what you posted again. Considering that Jesus is God, how exactly are you the same as Him?

If you dont mean Man is God, then what exactly are you talking about?

do you understand it?
Man that is me and you and every one you see are all Gods having a human experience or walking a human paths. we are spiritual beings just here to experience life, so if Jesus existed, he is no different from us....I stand by what I said.

sonmvayina:
➜The story of Isaac and Jacob, is same as the story of Enlil and Enki. They refer to the right and left side of God. while GOD was pleased with Jacob and his sons and daughters, he was not with the sons of Esau. They both represent out positive and negative inclinations or emotions.

Stop telling this ridiculous lie! There exists no parallel between the two stories. 🥱🥱

The Epic of Gilgamesh is a pretty straightforward story(some of it in poetry form) that contains none of what you keep insinuating on here. 🥱🥱

Michael547:
1)So are you saying that God will destroy all the heavens and create all the heavens again?

So if all the heavens and earth are destroyed, where will humans be before the new heavens and earth is created?

Where human beings will be is only God that knows. The Bible didnt say. We believers only know what the Bible says, not what it didnt say.

sonmvayina:
do you understand it?
Man that is me and you and every one you see are all Gods having a human experience or walking a human paths. we are spiritual beings just here to experience life, so if Jesus existed, he is no different from us....I stand by what I said.

I understood you from the onset, and my reply remains the same.........Man is not God.

THE FALSE GRADUAL SANCTIFICATION THEORY

Is it true that a sinner can gradually become righteous? No. It is impossible. Once for all, God made sinners righteous and without blemish through the redemption of His baptism and His death on the Cross.

Satan deceives sinners with the gradual sanctification theory so that they cannot be saved from their sins. Gradual sanctification means that sinners gradually become holy after they believe in Jesus. The theory goes like this. Sinners cannot become righteous once for all but are saved only from original sin when they believe in Jesus. Actual sins are washed away through daily prayers of repentance and people gradually become sanctified. The crux of this theory is gradual sanctification. It sounds great that someone can believe in Jesus and gradually become a holier Christian. This theory has deceived many Christians over the years, making them feel secure. That’s the reason why there are so many holier-than-thou Christians in Christianity.

They think that one day they will simply be changed and sin no more. But they live out their lives as sinners and will be judged as sinners before God after they die. Read the true word in the Bible. In Romans 8:30, “Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.” And in verse 29, “For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.” At first glance it seems there are steps to becoming righteous. But the Word tells us that righteousness was granted once for all. “Whom He called, these He also justified.” Jesus called sinners and made them righteous through His baptism at the Jordan and His death on the Cross.

Therefore one who believes in redemption in Jesus becomes a glorified child of God. It is the grace of God to redeem sinners and glorify them in His name. This is what God tells us. But some Christians tell us to look at Romans 8:30. “There are steps to becoming
sanctified. Doesn’t that mean we change gradually?” This is how they deceive. They tell people in the future tense that a sinner will become righteous with time. But the Bible tells us not in the future tense, but in the
past perfect tense that we have been made righteous once for all. There’s a definite difference between the future concept and the past perfect one. We should fully believe in the Bible. According to what is written, we can become children of God once and for all. This is totally different from the gradual danctification theory.

The gradual sanctification theory says that only original sin is forgiven when we believe in Jesus. This suggests that we should lead a religious life and repent for our sins every day, so that when we stand before God, we will become righteous. Because many people believe in this theory, they still remain sinners, even after they begin to believe in Jesus. That’s why the gradual sanctification theory is untrue.The Bible clearly tells us that we become righteous and children of God by faith. Just as babies come into the world, children of God also become sanctified as soon as they realize and believe in the redemption of Jesus. The false gradual sanctification theory sprang from lies.


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estheragha:
Where human beings will be is only God that knows. The Bible didnt say. We believers only know what the Bible says, not what it didnt say.

1)So you're saying that a time will come that humans would not be in Heaven and earth and that it is only God that knows where they will be?

2)So are you saying that God will destroy all the heavens and create all the heavens again?

3)Who will be on the new earth?

estheragha:
I understood you from the onset, and my reply remains the same.........Man is not God.

it is Gods spirit that is inside each of us, the body that was made with dust is just a suit. just like NASA astronaut need a special suit to adapt to conditions in space, we need this body to adapt to conditions in this earth. it is not who we are, we are the Gods spirit dwelling inside of it...and that God spirit is the same image and likeness as God just as the body is same image and likeness as the earth....

we are all Gods spirit having or experiencing a human life.

you understand now? see psalm 104:29-31

Kobojunkie:
Stop telling this ridiculous lie! There exists no parallel between the two stories. 🥱🥱

The Epic of Gilgamesh is a pretty straightforward story(some of it in poetry form) that contains none of what you keep insinuating on here. 🥱🥱

i have dropped a book for you to read, it appears you don't research at all.

the torah was written by Ezra when they exited the Babylonian exile.....much of the information he used came from there......

the truth remains the truth irrespective of your belief.....


thank you

sonmvayina:
✓ i have dropped a book for you to read, it appears you don't research at all. the torah was written by Ezra when they exited the Babylonian exile.....much of the information he used came from there...... the truth remains the truth irrespective of your belief..... thank you

There is no history to back the claim that the Torah was written by Ezra. The Epic of Gilgamesh does not depict any of what you claim. 🥱🥱

Stop confidently spitting what are obvious lies. 🥱🥱