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TenQ:
Give me 18 months and I will deliver at least 10GW electrical power to Nigerians.

The problem is when politicians and businesses men are put in charge of national assets

Sorry to burst your bubble, unfortunately power infrastructure is not plucking mangoes on the tree, it involves complex coordination, breaking supply chain and man power hurdles, not to even talk of initial planning that goes into the whole process, it will be magical if you build 10GW in 5 years.

Gajagojo:
Actually it has not been removed

At all

The situation is like this there is
1. A generation business
2. A distribution business

E.g. The generation side generates 100 units

The Distribution side might effective sell and get paid for 40

There is a lot of leakage between the generation and distribution
Because the Transmission infrastructure is outdated and inefficient and also because of corruption

The government did not sell Transmission because of sovereign concerns
So either the consumes pays for the leakages or government pays

The generation cannot operate at a loss they have to be paid for what they produce but most of what they produce is just wasted. Or lost


Somebody is paying for it


This goes down to how the privatisation was done

Government did not want to let go of Transmission but Transmission is inefficient and old

Government has a decision to make

Sometimes politics is played by allowing a lot of suffering for a while till an unpopular decision like handing over the Transmission to foreigners seems logical and inevitable

That is the dance we are dancing

The conflict about selling TCN

I have a feeling Tinubu will make a decision about the transmission in his second tenure.

TenQ:
Give me 18 months and I will deliver at least 10GW electrical power to Nigerians.

The problem is when politicians and businesses men are put in charge of national assets

Start from your LGA or State.

epainos:
Nigeria has too many problems, but we need to get something right NOW. Direct transmitting votes from voting points to the main server. We need to be able to kick out useless leaders. This is the trigger for accountability.

When we have the power to vote who we want, then, the next we need to get is the president who will use tech to fight corruption. This is the goal we need and everything will start working in Nigeria..

So, please, we need to fight the senators and get this thing done NOW.

Nigeria has billions of naira we can afford to get a dedicated server for direct transmission. All the useless lies that we aren't ready aren't accepted. The money, man-power, & skill are available to get it done.

If we can get this right, we will make them come for compulsory debate before every election. You want to pull Buhari and Tunubu style to not get involved in any debate, you are gone. You will tell us exactly how you will rule. You will convince us with facts, figures, and experience that we should hand you over 4 years in Aso Rock. We give you 4 years, and you fail to achieve them like Buhari and Tinubu, you sef won't bother to reconnect cos you know you are gone. You and all your network. All of una know...it is over for you all. So, you sef will think twice beflre accepting political posts. Then, we will see people like Ngozi Okonjo- Iweala, Akjnwunmi Adeeshina, Osibanjo, and other brains come out to contest.

Without this done...sorry. I don't have time to waste discussing Nigeria's problems like this. Let's discuss getting direct transmission to the server right this time. Period..

Write to your senator to know how he voted and encourage him to support the electronic transmission of results in real time.

TenQ:
Give me 18 months and I will deliver at least 10GW electrical power to Nigerians.

The problem is when politicians and businesses men are put in charge of national assets

When you get the opportunity the reality of outside the norm challenges will become obvious to you. What did Bola Ige of blessed memory say? Fashola I think also spoke. Nnaji was quite technical but got swallowed and discarded by the system, politics and perharps some personal ambition. You think you understand the rot in the equipment and system? You will be surprised.

Tenses:
I stopped reading when you said money is the issue why we can't have constant power supply.

You are a very ignorant fellow.


Listen to experts. Generation of power is not the problem but transmission/distribution of power is the problem.

More than 1/3 power generated goes to waste. Go and verify.

It is corruption. The transmission is using outdated infrastructure

erniok:
He was talking about government harnessing that potential which you and I know won't be trusted. Dangote is seen as a private individual and investors would expect a low corruption rate. If NNPC floats an IPO, would you invest?

If NNPC runs profitably for a while before the IPO people will invest. Even before that people can invest There is no way for government to harness diasporean funds for the economy than the way I stated.

TheStoriesOfMan:
This topic doesn't concern me.

Just spend 1.5 million on solar power for your homes and offices.

You'll thank me for it.

Let Nigeria do as they like, it doesn't concern me. I have I-don't-care attitude.

I'm a Biafran.

God bless MNK

Biafra died in Nigeria.

lawani:
You can't run heavy industries on batteries. No country on Earth is run on batteries. Have you calculated how many batteries will be equivalent to even 10,000MW? Then compare it to Nigeria's budget of maybe 30 billion dollars.

AI Data centers are being run on lithium batteries.

Ohyoudidnt:
When you get the opportunity the reality of outside the norm challenges will become obvious to you. What did Bola Ige of blessed memory say? Fashola I think also spoke. Nnaji was quite technical but got swallowed and discarded by the system, politics and perharps some personal ambition. You think you understand the rot in the equipment and system? You will be surprised.

The problem of Electricity in Nigeria is two or three folds
1. Corruption
2. Politics
3. Political will of the president

Anyone with fair technical competence know that the FIRST problem of Electricity in Nigeria is NOT distribution but Generation . We need nothing less than 10GW of Electricity but we generate at best 4GW.

These people know this, but it is easier for them to make money from distribution. How can one solve a problem of distributing what is not available in the first place?

Except the President himself doesn't want the problem of power generation solved, give me 18 months, I will solve the problem.

WhizdomXX:
Start from your LGA or State.

Myopic reasoning sir.
What you are telling me is that if YOU are given required resources and power to solve the Nigeria electricity problem, you are guaranteed to FAIL!?

Some problems are impossible to solve ground-up.
It will be a waste of time and effort.

WhizdomXX:
Biafra died in Nigeria.

Your ideology not mine.

TenQ:
Myopic reasoning sir.
What you are telling me is that if YOU are given required resources and power to solve the Nigeria electricity problem, you are guaranteed to FAIL!?

Some problems are impossible to solve ground-up.
It will be a waste of time and effort.

I'm being realistic Sir. To become a president in Nigeria, one often starts from his State of LGA.

bamsz:
Sorry to burst your bubble, unfortunately power infrastructure is not plucking mangoes on the tree, it involves complex coordination, breaking supply chain and man power hurdles, not to even talk of initial planning that goes into the whole process, it will be magical if you build 10GW in 5 years.

This is what they have projected as narrative to why they have been failing.

Nigeria needs 10GW, we generate less than 4GW.

Tell me,
1. Do we have the energy source to achieve this?
2. Is Gas-turbine technology Rocket Science?

Why do you think our politicians left the obvious problem of generation to face the problem of distribution?

TenQ:
The problem of Electricity in Nigeria is two or three folds
1. Corruption
2. Politics
3. Political will of the president

Anyone with fair technical competence know that the FIRST problem of Electricity in Nigeria is NOT distribution but Generation . We need nothing less than 10GW of Electricity but we generate at best 4GW.

These people know this, but it is easier for them to make money from distribution. How can one solve a problem of distributing what is not available in the first place?

Except the President himself doesn't want the problem of power generation solved, give me 18 months, I will solve the problem.

You exactly prove my point that you will more likely get in then learn perharps without results.

Nigeria's electricity issue isn't about generation. The installed capacity stands at approximately 13–14 GW; even if 4–5 GW at most actually reach consumers because the transmission and distribution systems are unable to handle more.

Power plants frequently remain idle due to grid limitations and non-payment issues. Distribution serves as the financial bottleneck, plagued by significant losses, inadequate collection efforts, and unpaid government bills.

Increasing generation without addressing evacuation and payment will lead to wasted capacity. This challenge cannot be resolved solely through presidential determination within an 18-month timeframe.

I see you don't even know Barth Nnaji 's submissions. Do better non hasty research.

adonainana:
If I was Nigerian president here is a shortcut I would use to solve Nigerian powe crisis

Firstly remove all taxes on all solar accessories such as solar inverters , solar panels , lithium batteries

Secondly subsided whatever solar accessories are being imported to Nigeria

Two things would happen Solar would be so cheap a lithium battery that costs 500k right now might be as cheap as 50,000 naira

What then happens is solar inverters is so cheap that a typical 1kva system might cost less than 150,000 naira

Fine the government would lose some money in taxes that it was meant to get on imported solar accessories

But the end product would be greater

Each household in Nigeria would directly or indirectly generate its own power

That like almost 50,000 megawatts via solar panels generated

From barber shops to hotels to schools

Even factories would install solar because it is bloody cheap so cheap some would even go to waste

All civil servants too that work for the FG can also receive inverter system from the subsidy

Overnight Nigerian problem would be solved

There would be less pressure on the grid

Some people would even disconnect thier nepa light cos there is no point

Also sun is free , solar panels lasts 10 years or so

Same with lithium batteries

So just one move

Millions of consequences

This is what I would do if I was Nigeria president

Waiting 15 years to generator enough MW is too expensive

The plan is to do TO NEPA what MTN did to NITEL

give an alternative that would make nepa obsolete

Bros, I always canvassed this, can’t understand why government finds it difficult to do. People are chasing solar, the reason very many haven’t keyed in is its cost.

Gajagojo:
I am not going to do back and forth with you
Talking online theory
We failed with refinery
With NNPC
With NEPA
Nigeria Aiways we are still paying salaries
Virtually every government business has failed

Yes if Brazil can win World Cup China can too but they have not
It is not by stronghead
I have answered the questions you are asking in what you quoted
If you don't get it
Forgerrit


In this case of electricity there is virtually nothing of value to privatize
We need to build from scratch

If transmission is the problem as is your opinion, why is it not a problem in Aba today? Aba is enjoying 24/7 electricity currently.

US has over ten thousand power plants, UK has over 1000. We have less than 30. If generation is taken close to every metropolis and we have thousands of power plants, then I think the problem will be solved. The solution lies in more generation and decentralization of the grid

lawani:
If NNPC runs profitably for a while before the IPO people will invest. Even before that people can invest There is no way for government to harness diasporean funds for the economy than the way I stated.

I'm glad you used the condition "if" which at this time sounds future impossible. Bro, we are too riddled with corruption. Our president just cancelled NNPC debt to the nation, no heads rolled and you think we won't witness it in the future?

If dangote rolls out an IPO, You do not need government intervention before it's over subscribed. You can take this to the bank.

TenQ:
This is what they have projected as narrative to why they have been failing.

Nigeria needs 10GW, we generate less than 4GW.

Tell me,
1. Do we have the energy source to achieve this?
2. Is Gas-turbine technology Rocket Science?

Why do you think our politicians left the obvious problem of generation to face the problem of distribution?

We have a serious power distribution problem is our hands. We have too much power losses like the OP stated. Let's not underrate that part.

lawani:
If transmission is the problem as is your opinion, why is it not a problem in Aba today? Aba is enjoying 24/7 electricity currently.

US has over ten thousand power plants, UK has over 1000. We have less than 30. If generation is taken close to every metropolis and we have thousands of power plants, then I think the problem will be solved. The solution lies in more generation and decentralization of the grid

I do not recall saying transmission is THE PROBLEM perhaps you can show me where i said so

If you are going to quote me please take time to read what I said first
Don't misquote me

I have been clear what I believe the way forward is

It is now 37 problems each state is separate
some will solve theirs faster than others assuming what you say about Aba is true that is the evidence
There are several issues which I mentioned and I am not going to repeat myself all over again

erniok:
I'm glad you used the condition "if" which at this time sounds future impossible. Bro, we are too riddled with corruption. Our president just cancelled NNPC debt to the nation, no heads rolled and you think we won't witness it in the future?

If dangote rolls out an IPO, You do not need government intervention before it's over subscribed. You can take this to the bank.

The private sector is doing ok and corruption is not a debilitating problem there. There is no country free of corruption. If any entity leads including government owned entities, people will subscribe if there is an IPO.

LabStores:
Indeed... so what has Adelabu or Adedibu been doing in the past years?
The power situation at the moment have become critically terrible.

Well, start from the fact that power is now privatized and that government forces price controls on the sector and doesn't pay subsidies and that most people also don't pay for the power they use, and you will see why

lawani:
The private sector is doing ok and corruption is not a debilitating problem there. There is no country free of corruption. If any entity leads including government owned entities, people will subscribe if there is an IPO.

I can recall saying any country on earth is free from corruption but there's a corruption index for every nation for a reason. The lobby system of the US for example is masked corruption.

As it stands in our nation, the citizens still have a very low trust for the public officers which is as a result of corruption at pandemic level and this would definitely affect investment in public sector.

erniok:
I can recall saying any country on earth is free from corruption but there's a corruption index for every nation for a reason. The lobby system of the US for example is masked corruption.

As it stands in our nation, the citizens still have a very low trust for the public officers which is as a result of corruption at pandemic level and this would definitely affect investment in public sector.

If government floats a company and runs it profitably and is seeking investors via an IPO, then they will get investors. If an individual or group of individuals does the same they will get investors too. That is what I mean or why do you think the public won't buy into a profitable company?

erniok:
We have a serious power distribution problem is our hands. We have too much power losses like the OP stated. Let's not underrate that part.

I agree but when we "under-generate" power, isn't that a major problem?

If we can generate up to 10GW, the next would be to gradually upgrade the existing distribution system.

Even the distribution problem is more of a problem of sudden drop in power from one or two of the generating stations. Large drop in power causes instability in the network and hence a trip-off. The trip-off requires then to take off all the generating stations off line and begin sequencing them one by one while doing the same with distribution so as not to overload the system.

This is the problem!

Ohyoudidnt:
You exactly prove my point that you will more likely get in then learn perharps without results.

Nigeria's electricity issue isn't about generation. The installed capacity stands at approximately 13–14 GW; even if 4–5 GW at most actually reach consumers because the transmission and distribution systems are unable to handle more.

Power plants frequently remain idle due to grid limitations and non-payment issues. Distribution serves as the financial bottleneck, plagued by significant losses, inadequate collection efforts, and unpaid government bills.

Increasing generation without addressing evacuation and payment will lead to wasted capacity. This challenge cannot be resolved solely through presidential determination within an 18-month timeframe.

I see you don't even know Barth Nnaji 's submissions. Do better non hasty research.

I am so sorry, I don't know why the bots deleted my post.

I am not sure Nigeria ever generated more than 7GW of power at any time since inception. I stand to be corrected.

Please confirm!

The problem of national grid shutdown is usually caused when one generator suddenly packs up resulting in a spike in load on the other generators because we are not generating enough power. This sudden spike causes overload on the other generators so that they shut down (for their protection).

Switching them back on has to be sequential with load being systematically added on the national grid until it aligns with the magnitude of supply. This is what causes the national grid collapse we often witness.

We are stressing the generation because of underproduction of power. Even, a shut down of a distribution node is enough to cause an instability in the network synchronization.

If we increase the generation, we will witness fewer national grid collapse and we can then begin to increase the distribution network capacity.

WhizdomXX:
I'm being realistic Sir. To become a president in Nigeria, one often starts from his State of LGA.

You are not being realistic o! This is what you have been told.

As of today, there is NOT one single local government chairman that had become the governor of their state. If you know one, please, let me know from the fourth republic.

And I am sure you know that only Yaradua and Tinubu are the only governors who have become presidents in Nigeria.

So, the question you should ask yourself is: What are the criteria used in determining who becomes a governor or president in Nigeria

In a nutshell ... 24 hours of Electricity is not possible in Nigeria in this lifetime

lawani:
If government floats a company and runs it profitably and is seeking investors via an IPO, then they will get investors. If an individual or group of individuals does the same they will get investors too. That is what I mean or why do you think the public won't buy into a profitable company?

Which entity has the government in nigeria ever ran profitably? NITEL, NEPA, NICON, Airways, NNPC? Please which one to would generate that level of trust from diasporeans.

erniok:
Which entity has the government in nigeria ever ran profitably? NITEL, NEPA, NICON, Airways, NNPC? Please which one to would generate that level of trust from diasporeans.

Oodua group is running many companies well and if they list any of the companies or even list the whole group (though I don't support that) they will succeed.

Government can actually plan and start any business then hand it over to the private sector. Anybody can do it and it is easier for government