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People who do good works and who live good lives will see God before people who are talking irrelevant things like 'Jesus is the only way to salvation, or reconciliation with God bla bla bla'. To what end is anyone saved or reconciled unto God if not to good works and a good life worthy of emulation? If the gentiles have apprehended this fact, and have become a law unto themselves, what excuse is there for Pharisees who can swallow a whole elephant but then strain on gnats,?

Romans 2:12
King James Version
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

MaxInDHouse:
You are now going to the extreme!


According to that verse no human can live safely without guidance from God that's why the wise man said:

Trust the Lord completely, and don’t depend on your own knowledge. With every step you take, think about what he wants, and he will help you go the right way. Proverbs 3:5-6

A follower of Christ Jesus word says:

We know that we belong to God, but the Evil One controls the whole world. 1John 5:19

This means that there is no one who is completely free from control it's either the person subjects himself to control from God or follow the worldly trends which belongs to Satan according to Jesus no one can sit on the fence:

You can enter true life only through the narrow gate. The gate to hell is very wide, and there is plenty of room on the road that leads there. Many people go that way. But the gate that opens the way to true life is narrow. And the road that leads there is hard to follow. Only a few people find it. Matthew 7:13-14

The guy you are discussing with may not know it deeply as i'm explaining now but the truth remains that something must control a man.
Why?
Because we live in the human society where we try to blend with common trends so only those who are subjecting themselves to God's will can escape Satan's snare! 1Peter 5:8

I suggest you use the word, "guidance" not "control". Using "control" not only makes you sound like QuinQ, but it also renders your argument invalid.

Positive guidance, regardless of its source, is not the same as "coerce control". Guidance consists of suggestions or instructions for acting in our own and others best interests. Coerce control, on the other hand, removes agency and autonomy.

If you equate the two, you are effectively saying God is a dictator who strips us of free will to control us like zombies. There is no evidence this is the case. In fact, evidence points to the opposite: deeply religious people sometimes live troubled lives, while many non-religious people live well-structured, ethical and happy lives without submitting to any god.

This is the puzzle you must unravel, not by citing more Bible verses, but by engaging with observable reality.

Please explain this: How can millions of people who do not follow your religion live happily, act ethically, and contribute positively to society?.

If , as 1 John 5:19 states, "the Evil one controls the whole world" and if Satan's nature is purely destructive ( John 10:10), then how is any good produced by those under his control? . Your church theology creates a contradiction that scripture alone cannot resolve.

I will acknowledge this; you understand the biblical perspective better than QuinQ, as seen in your more doctrinal reply. But please do not confuse divine guidance with coercive control. Why would God give humans free will only to forcefully override it? Upon reflection, that makes no sense.


My central question remains unanswered: What observable, non-biblical evidence supports the idea that coerce control ( something must control a man) is a universal necessity?

Until you can provide that evidence, your position remains a doctrinal belief, not a demonstrable truth. You are describing a worldwide you hold because the Bible presents it, not because you can point to independent verification that the world actually operates on a strict " God or Satan" control mechanism. Belief is not evidence.

Both correlates. Guidance and control may sound different now because you want to be sincere with the rendering as you found something like that in the Bible but would you have agreed that a member of a religion who insisted on marrying a fellow member of his church or on bloodless surgery even at the point of death is guided and not controlled?
Well in the world we live in today people always use both words interchangeablly depending on how they want it to sound in the hearing of their audience!😟

triplechoice:
I suggest you use the word, "guidance" not "control". Using "control" not only makes you sound like QuinQ, but it also renders your argument invalid.

Positive guidance, regardless of its source, is not the same as "coerce control". Guidance consists of suggestions or instructions for acting in our own and others best interests. Coerce control, on the other hand, removes agency and autonomy.

If you equate the two, you are effectively saying God is a dictator who strips us of free will to control us like zombies. There is no evidence this is the case. In fact, evidence points to the opposite: deeply religious people sometimes live troubled lives, while many non-religious people live well-structured, ethical and happy lives without submitting to any god.

This is the puzzle you must unravel, not by citing more Bible verses, but by engaging with observable reality.

Please explain this: How can millions of people who do not follow your religion live happily, act ethically, and contribute positively to society?.

If , as 1 John 5:19 states, "the Evil one controls the whole world" and if Satan's nature is purely destructive ( John 10:10), then how is any good produced by those under his control? . Your church theology creates a contradiction that scripture alone cannot resolve.

I will acknowledge this; you understand the biblical perspective better than QuinQ, as seen in your more doctrinal reply. But please do not confuse divine guidance with coercive control. Why would God give humans free will only to forcefully override it? Upon reflection, that makes no sense.


My central question remains unanswered: What observable, non-biblical evidence supports the idea that coerce control ( something must control a man) is a universal necessity?

Until you can provide that evidence, your position remains a doctrinal belief, not a demonstrable truth. You are describing a worldwide you hold because the Bible presents it, not because you can point to independent verification that the world actually operates on a strict " God or Satan" control mechanism. Belief is not evidence.

MaxInDHouse:
Both correlates. Guidance and control may sound different now because you want to be sincere with the rendering as you found something like that in the Bible but would you have agreed that a member of a religion who insisted on marrying a fellow member of his church or on bloodless surgery even at the point of death is guided and not controlled?
Well in the world we live in today people always use both words interchangeablly depending on how they want it to sound in the hearing of their audience!😟

When friends and family pressure you into marrying just because it is societal norm, though it is not what you want, how is that "positive guidance"? Isn't that the perfect definition of coersive control??

triplechoice:
I suggest you use the word, "guidance" not "control". Using "control" not only makes you sound like QuinQ, but it also renders your argument invalid.

Positive guidance, regardless of its source, is not the same as "coerce control". Guidance consists of suggestions or instructions for acting in our own and others best interests. Coerce control, on the other hand, removes agency and autonomy.

If you equate the two, you are effectively saying God is a dictator who strips us of free will to control us like zombies. There is no evidence this is the case. In fact, evidence points to the opposite: deeply religious people sometimes live troubled lives, while many non-religious people live well-structured, ethical and happy lives without submitting to any god.

This is the puzzle you must unravel, not by citing more Bible verses, but by engaging with observable reality.

Please explain this: How can millions of people who do not follow your religion live happily, act ethically, and contribute positively to society?.

If , as 1 John 5:19 states, "the Evil one controls the whole world" and if Satan's nature is purely destructive ( John 10:10), then how is any good produced by those under his control? . Your church theology creates a contradiction that scripture alone cannot resolve.

I will acknowledge this; you understand the biblical perspective better than QuinQ, as seen in your more doctrinal reply. But please do not confuse divine guidance with coercive control. Why would God give humans free will only to forcefully override it? Upon reflection, that makes no sense.


My central question remains unanswered: What observable, non-biblical evidence supports the idea that coerce control ( something must control a man) is a universal necessity?

Until you can provide that evidence, your position remains a doctrinal belief, not a demonstrable truth. You are describing a worldwide you hold because the Bible presents it, not because you can point to independent verification that the world actually operates on a strict " God or Satan" control mechanism. Belief is not evidence.

QuinQ:
When friends and family pressure you into marrying just because it is societal norm, though it is not what you want, how is that "positive guidance"? Isn't that the perfect definition of coersive control?

Whatever you wish jàre!

QuinQ:
His Father is God just as He is God the Son

And the son called the father his God and worshipped Him.

Did the father ever worshipped the son?

Antichristian2:
And the son called the father his God and worshipped Him.

Did the father ever worshipped the son?

No, because of the incarnation - He was fully God and fully man
As Jesus talks and prays:
He is acting as a human being would act, being fully human.
He perfectly models human obedience and worship.
Remember there's only ONE God, ETERNALLY.

QuinQ:
No, because of the incarnation - He was fully God and fully man
As Jesus talks and prays:
He is acting as a human being would act, being fully human.
He perfectly models human obedience and worship.
Remember there's only ONE God, ETERNALLY.

A number cannot be both positive and negative at the same time! Being God entails you can't die. Humans die! God's knowledge is unlimited while the human knowledge is limited. The hermaphroditic nature created for Jesus is sheer falsehood that crumbles when critically examined!

There's only one God but Jesus is God! The father is God. Holy spirit is God. And jesus is not the holy spirit. And the holy spirit is not the father!

Yet there's one God!

Of the three Gods only Jesus can die!

Jesus can't be eternal and capable of death at the same time. He can't be limited and unlimited at the same time!

This is simply logic!

Antichristian2:
A number cannot be both positive and negative at the same time! Being God entails you can't die. Humans die! God's knowledge is unlimited while the human knowledge is limited. The hermaphroditic nature created for Jesus is sheer falsehood that crumbles when critically examined!

There's only one God but Jesus is God! The father is God. Holy spirit is God. And jesus is not the holy spirit. And the holy spirit is not the father!

Yet there's one God!

Of the three Gods only Jesus can die!

Jesus can't be eternal and capable of death at the same time. He can't be limited and unlimited at the same time!

This is simply logic!

You are trying to apply faulty human logic to things divine. Didn't Jesús both die and not die? Is He not alive and very active? He had a human experience. Does that mean he stayed human? Wken God takes on human form, does that mean He stopped being God? Won't He do what humans do yet stay God? There is only one God with three "manifestations".
You're like someone in a 2-dimensional world trying to explain 3 dimensions - when u have no concept of up or down!

QuinQ:
You are trying to apply faulty human logic to things divine. Didn't Jesús both die and not die? Is He not alive and very active? He had a human experience. Does that mean he stayed human? Wken God takes on human form, does that mean He stopped being God? Won't He do what humans do yet stay God? There is only one God with three "manifestations".
You're like someone in a 2-dimensional world trying to explain 3 dimensions - when u have no concept of up or down!

Before you can be a Trinitarian you just need to switch off logic and your brain to sense! That's what Christians call mystery! And it remains logically unexplainable till today!

And no one can both die and not die! This is a contradiction. Same as being God and man! Same as having knowledge and becoming ignorant! Dependent and independent!

Antichristian2:
Before you can be a Trinitarian you just need to switch off logic and your brain to sense! That's what Christians call mystery! And it remains logically unexplainable till today!

And no one can both die and not die! This is a contradiction. Same as being God and man! Same as having knowledge and becoming ignorant! Dependent and independent!

Mr human logic, does it make "logical sense" to you that the son of a common carpenter was being worshipped as an infant by "wise men", that a man without status, name, wealth, connections, or large following would be telling people He was God? Does it make sense to you that he'd be forgiving people their sins, that he accepted worship, that he told people he'd come into their hearts, that he was after souls not any material thing. Does it make sense to you that he said he'd rise in 3 days after being totally DEAD, and when he rose that the cloth used to tie the body was not untied, as if the body evaporated?
We await your answer Mr logic, brain, and sense!

QuinQ:
Mr human logic, does it make "logical sense" to you that the son of a common carpenter was being worshipped as an infant by "wise men", that a man without status, name, wealth, connections, or large following would be telling people He was God? Does it make sense to you that he'd be forgiving people their sins, that he accepted worship, that he told people he'd come into their hearts, that he was after souls not any material thing. Does it make sense to you that he said he'd rise in 3 days after being totally DEAD, and when he rose that the cloth used to tie the body was not untied, as if the body evaporated?
We await your answer Mr logic, brain, and sense!

Logically, those wise men are idolaters do why should I believe them? Are they Christians? If a large following makes someone God then Jesus won't have made the claim that he'll reject many!

Mind you, I don't understand what you mean by being totally dead! Did Jesus who is a God die? If the God part of Jesus didn't die then Jesus did not totally die!

Who worshipped Jesus while he was on earth?

See Jesus worshipping God below:
Luke 6:12
One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.

Mark 1:35
Early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up and went out to a solitary place to pray.

Matthew 14:23
After He had dismissed them, He went up on the mountain by himself to pray. When evening came, he was there alone,

Matthew 26:36-39
Then Jesus went with His disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and He told them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.” / He took with Him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee and began to be sorrowful and deeply distressed. / Then He said to them, “My soul is consumed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with Me.”

Mark 6:46
After bidding them farewell, He (Jesus) went up on the mountain to pray.

John 6:15
Then Jesus, realizing that they were about to come and make Him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by Himself.

Hebrews 5:7
During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.

Jesus was praying to his God and creator! He is no God! Associating partners to God is the greatest sin!

Antichristian2:
Logically, those wise men are idolaters do why should I believe them? Are they Christians? If a large following makes someone God then Jesus won't have made the claim that he'll reject many!

Mind you, I don't understand what you mean by being totally dead! Did Jesus who is a God die? If the God part of Jesus didn't die then Jesus did not totally die!

Who worshipped Jesus while he was on earth?

See Jesus worshipping God below:
Luke 6:12
One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.

Mark 1:35
Early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up and went out to a solitary place to pray.

Matthew 14:23
After He had dismissed them, He went up on the mountain by himself to pray. When evening came, he was there alone,

Matthew 26:36-39
Then Jesus went with His disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and He told them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.” / He took with Him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee and began to be sorrowful and deeply distressed. / Then He said to them, “My soul is consumed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with Me.”

Mark 6:46
After bidding them farewell, He (Jesus) went up on the mountain to pray.

John 6:15
Then Jesus, realizing that they were about to come and make Him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by Himself.

Hebrews 5:7
During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.

Jesus was praying to his God and creator! He is no God! Associating partners to God is the greatest sin!

You're like someone in a 2-dimensional world trying to explain 3 dimensions - when u have absolutely no clue that up and down exist!

If Jesus is not God, what is He? He forgave sins, accepted worship, entered people's hearts, etc.
What other attribute would convince you a Person is God?
Speaking of praying, remember Jesus also had to grow up and eat and drink, etc. Why not start from there. But he himself said he didn't have to eat and drink and do all that - but he did them! Same thing with prayer. He did everything a perfect human would do, being fully human. Why must prayer be different? Didn't mean He stopped being God.

Also, the Father could have struct him down for lying, instead He rose from the DEAD to be worshipped exactly as God!
Or are you saying God is powerless??

QuinQ:
You're like someone in a 2-dimensional world trying to explain 3 dimensions - when u have absolutely no clue that up and down exist!

If Jesus is not God, what is He? He forgave sins, accepted worship, entered people's hearts, etc.

He is simply a man according to yor Bible! Never was he ever called God without ambiguity like he's called "man".

1 Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (NKJV).
John 8:40: "...But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God".
Acts 2:22: "Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs...".
Romans 5:15: "...the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many".

What other attribute would convince you a Person is God?

Those attributes of him praying to a superior entity shows he's not the superior entity himself! Even till on the cross he was still talk about God not himself!

Speaking of praying, remember Jesus also had to grow up and eat and drink, etc. Why not start from there. But he himself said he didn't have to eat and drink and do all that - but he did them! Same thing with prayer. He did everything a perfect human would do, being fully human. Why must prayer be different? Didn't mean He stopped being God.

You mean God had to grow from being a kid? Does this make any sense to you? God had to come die? God had to be born by one of his creation? God had to be dependent on his creation! God had to become ignorant, weak and fragile! God was floged and cried!

As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!” Matthew 3:16-17

From the above, the father made the voice from heaven, Jesus was on ground! The father is not the son!

Also, the Father could have struct him down for lying, instead He rose from the DEAD to be worshipped exactly as God!
Or are you saying God is powerless??

He rose from the dead and still called God his God?

Even Mary Madgalene was calling Jesus "Rabboni" which means teacher and not God!

Jesus said to her, “Mary.” She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher”). “Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’” John 20: 16-1717 Even After resurrection your God Jesus still had a God?

Notice how you didn't answer any of the questions posed!😅 You can't!

You mean God had to grow from being a kid? Does this make any sense to you? God had to come die? God had to be born by one of his creation? God had to be dependent on his creation! God had to become ignorant, weak and fragile! God was floged and cried!

That's exactly the point! Non of it would make sense to you because it's like someone in a two dimensional world trying to describe a 10-dimensional world. Non of it would make sense! Does it even make sense that Jesus is (not was) around before Abraham? Can you believe that time is totally an illusion? That someone can live 70 years in 10 minutes of earth's time? Etc.

Antichristian2:
He is simply a man according to yor Bible! Never was he ever called God without ambiguity like he's called "man".

1 Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (NKJV).
John 8:40: "...But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God".
Acts 2:22: "Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs...".
Romans 5:15: "...the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many".

But God is also called man several places in the Bible. Does that mean He stopped being God. Example: "The LORD is a man of war" Exodus 15:3
Even "Son of Man" is understood to mean "Son of God"

Those attributes of him praying to a superior entity shows he's not the superior entity himself! Even till on the cross he was still talk about God not himself!

He was also fully man and had to be like a man. He himself told Philip there's no other God but himself, accepted worship from Thomas, and said that once you've seen him you've seen the Father (not that it was like seeing the Father, but was actually literarily seeing the Father!)

As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!” Matthew 3:16-17

From the above, the father made the voice from heaven, Jesus was on ground! The father is not the son!

Of course the Father is NOT the Son! They are different persons of the same one God! Remember what I said about a 2-dimensional being trying to explain a 10-dimensional world?

He rose from the dead and still called God his God?

Even Mary Madgalene was calling Jesus "Rabboni" which means teacher and not God!

Jesus said to her, “Mary.” She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher”). “Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’” John 20: 16-1717 Even After resurrection your God Jesus still had a God?

He interchangeably called Him Father or God. Can you please explain how that precludes Him being God the Son of God. Even with your extremely limited human understanding of these things you can see how that's possible!

QuinQ:
Notice how you didn't answer any of the questions posed!😅 You can't!

I have been answering youi but you have eyes but no insight! The last time i quoted about 5 verses calling Jesus man not God! And you are still here in delusion claiming i didn't answer! What are the Bible verses for?

That's exactly the point! Non of it would make sense to you because it's like someone in a two dimensional world trying to describe a 10-dimensional world. Non of it would make sense! Does it even make sense that Jesus is (not was) around before Abraham? Can you believe that time is totally an illusion? That someone can live 70 years in 10 minutes of earth's time? Etc.

Abeg enough of all these mysteries even Jesus himself cannot explain! You are using modern day theoretical physics to explain your Jesus of over 2000 years ago, no be madness be that? You can even say Jesus existed before the father!

But God is also called man several places in the Bible. Does that mean He stopped being God. Example: "The LORD is a man of war" Exodus 15:3
Even "Son of Man" is understood to mean "Son of God"

O! Thank you but what about Numbers 23:19 - God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Is this a contradiction?

1 Samuel 15:29 - God is not a man!
Moreover, the Glory of Israel does not lie or change His mind, for He is not a man, that He should change His mind.”

Malachi 3:6 - God does not change!
“Because I, the LORD, do not change, you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.

But later God changed and became man!

He was also fully man and had to be like a man. He himself told Philip there's no other God but himself, accepted worship from Thomas, and said that once you've seen him you've seen the Father (not that it was like seeing the Father, but was actually literarily seeing the Father!)

Jesus is fully man and nowhere did he call himself God (Yahweh)! Anyone can be God (Elohim) as Satan is the God of this world according to 2 Corinthians 4:4. Yes, seeing the messenger is like seeing the master! Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel.

Jesus was called a Prophet (Matthew 21:11, Luke 24:19). He accepted this role, noting that "a prophet is not without honor except in his hometown" (Mark 6:4).

Of course the Father is NOT the Son! They are different persons of the same one God! Remember what I said about a 2-dimensional being trying to explain a 10-dimensional world? Abeg, theretical Physics no dey work here! Jesus is human 100%. God (Yahweh) is not a man and does not change! Jesus did change and became man! So he's not God (Yahweh)!

[quote]He interchangeably called Him Father or God. Can you please explain how that precludes Him being God the Son of God. Even with your extremely limited human understanding of these things you can see how that's possible!

What's possible? Jesus worshipped & prayed to God the father - Where did the father ever worshipped Jesus or pray to him?
Have you ever seen a God having another God? That's Hindu/Roman/Greek idolatory! Jesus called God his father and also his God! Can the father ever call Jesus God?

If God the father and God the son are one, and God the son called God the father "God" then shouldn't God the father call God the son "God" too since they are all Gods? And all of these are one God not two Gods!

Antichristian2:
I have been answering youi but you have eyes but no insight! The last time i quoted about 5 verses calling Jesus man not God! And you are still here in delusion claiming i didn't answer! What are the Bible verses for?

You were asked straightforward questions: why didn't God strike an extremely blasphemous person dead? Instead he rose from DEAD and has been worshipped as God for now 2000+ years! Are you saying God is powerless?
You were also asked, if He wasn't God, what was He??

Abeg enough of all these mysteries even Jesus himself cannot explain! You are using modern day theoretical physics to explain your Jesus of over 2000 years ago, no be madness be that? You can even say Jesus existed before the father!

O! Thank you but what about Numbers 23:19 - God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Is this a contradiction?

1 Samuel 15:29 - God is not a man!
Moreover, the Glory of Israel does not lie or change His mind, for He is not a man, that He should change His mind.”

Malachi 3:6 - God does not change!
“Because I, the LORD, do not change, you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.

But later God changed and became man!

You are the one mentioning quantum Physics, not me.
Once again we come up against trying to define 10-dimension from 2-dimension. How can God change when change is a function of TIME, and God exists outside time?? Let's hear you clearly answer that one (you'd soon claim you answered it!)

Jesus is fully man and nowhere did he call himself God (Yahweh)! Anyone can be God (Elohim) as Satan is the God of this world according to 2 Corinthians 4:4. Yes, seeing the messenger is like seeing the master! Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel.

Jesus was called a Prophet (Matthew 21:11, Luke 24:19). He accepted this role, noting that "a prophet is not without honor except in his hometown" (Mark 6:4).

Everybody who heard Him directly KNEW he was claiming to be God, including the apostles and extremely biblically versed high priests. How do you (who read what was passed from person to person by mouth till it was finally written down then translated and re-translated, then revised and re-revised) know better than them?? Answer that clearly

QuinQ:
You were asked straightforward questions: why didn't God strike an extremely blasphemous person dead? Instead he rose from DEAD and has been worshipped as God for now 2000+ years! Are you saying God is powerless?
You were also asked, if He wasn't God, what was He??

How many people did God struck dead for blasphemy in the entire Bible? That's why the law for Blasphemy was given to Moses by Yahweh! Anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord will be put to dead! Not God striking him!

Punishment for Blasphemy Leviticus 24:10-16
Now an Israelite woman's son, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the people of Israel. And the Israelite woman's son and a man of Israel fought in the camp, and the Israelite woman's son blasphemed the Name, and cursed. Then they brought him to Moses. His mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan. And they put him in custody, till the will of the Lord should be clear to them.

Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Bring out of the camp the one who cursed, and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head, and let all the congregation stone him. And speak to the people of Israel, saying, Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin. Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

You are the one mentioning quantum Physics, not me.
Once again we come up against trying to define 10-dimension from 2-dimension. How can God change when change is a function of TIME, and God exists outside time?? Let's hear you clearly answer that one (you'd soon claim you answered it!)

There's no 10 dimensional tirick to calling three Gods one! No Mathematics can calculate that! Yeah, God created time and controls it as He wills. If you says how can God change when change is a function of time, then are those Bible verses false?

Jesus never existed outside time! But God created time!

Everybody who heard Him directly KNEW he was claiming to be God, including the apostles and extremely biblically versed high priests. How do you (who read what was passed from person to person by mouth till it was finally written down then translated and re-translated, then revised and re-revised) know better than them?? Answer that clearly

Where did he claim he was God?[/quote]Where exactly did he claim to be God without ambiguity?

Yahweh no dey hide say him be God for old testament! He talk am directly without ambiguity!

Isaiah 45:5
I am the LORD, and there is no other; there is no God but Me.

Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I am He; there is no God besides Me. I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal, and there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me.

Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble or fear. Have I not told you and declared it long ago? You are My witnesses! Is there any God but Me? There is no other Rock; I know not one.”

Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD your God ever since the land of Egypt; you know no God but Me, for there is no Savior besides Me.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

See the verse above one God not three in one God and Jesus is a man!

John 17:3
Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

There's only one true God and Jesus Christ is his messenger! Thank God you agree the Bible has been revised and re-revised for years!

Antichristian2:
How many people did God struck dead for blasphemy in the entire Bible? That's why the law for Blasphemy was given to Moses by Yahweh! Anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord will be put to dead! Not God striking him!

Punishment for Blasphemy Leviticus 24:10-16
Now an Israelite woman's son, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the people of Israel. And the Israelite woman's son and a man of Israel fought in the camp, and the Israelite woman's son blasphemed the Name, and cursed. Then they brought him to Moses. His mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan. And they put him in custody, till the will of the Lord should be clear to them.

Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Bring out of the camp the one who cursed, and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head, and let all the congregation stone him. And speak to the people of Israel, saying, Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin. Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

There's no 10 dimensional tirick to calling three Gods one! No Mathematics can calculate that! Yeah, God created time and controls it as He wills. If you says how can God change when change is a function of time, then are those Bible verses false?

Jesus never existed outside time! But God created time!

Where did he claim he was God?

Where exactly did he claim to be God without ambiguity?

Yahweh no dey hide say him be God for old testament! He talk am directly without ambiguity!

Isaiah 45:5
I am the LORD, and there is no other; there is no God but Me.

Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I am He; there is no God besides Me. I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal, and there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me.

Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble or fear. Have I not told you and declared it long ago? You are My witnesses! Is there any God but Me? There is no other Rock; I know not one.”

Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD your God ever since the land of Egypt; you know no God but Me, for there is no Savior besides Me.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

See the verse above one God not three in one God and Jesus is a man!

John 17:3
Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

There's only one true God and Jesus Christ is his messenger! Thank God you agree the Bible has been revised and re-revised for years!

With due respect, you're beginning to sound repetitively obtuse. EVERYONE WHO HEARD HIM DIRECTLY KNEW HE WAS CLAIMING TO BE GOD. You can't know better than them 2000 years later from reading words passed from person to person (and we know how humans are about remembering exactly what was told them and repeating it exactly!)

There is blasphemy then there is BLASPHEMY! How many Israelites claimed to be God, then not only did God not strike them down but actually rose them from the DEAD (he could have simply let them stay dead) to be worshipped exactly as God for 2000+ years, prospering his worshippers?? You are implying that God is totally powerless or nonexistent or totally uninvolved!