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lawani:
What is cost reflective tariff to you? Is Geometric power plant in Aba not making profit? Are you suggesting we pay the same as high income countries? We can't because labour cost here is not more than ten percent of what they have there and operations expenses are not therefore the same. I believe electricity costs should be harmonized and there is no reason for Nigerians to pay up to twenty percent of what they pay in western Europe. Check the price of coca cola, Guinness stout and etc in western Europe and compare with Nigeria if you doubt me

Cost reflective tarrif in the Nigerian setup is what band A is paying.

A more generous description would be whatever price the company sets that enables it to meet it's obligations without the need for things like government subsides.

That's not the case for our power sector

Even the profits you speak of are not enough to do anything.

Your comparison of soda and beer prices in Nigeria with Europe is not only irrelevant, it's also you arguing indirectly that companies should keep things cheap for you by underpaying their workers

Ohyoudidnt:
Appreciate sharing how complicated 'simple solutions' are in the Nigeria space. Enjoy your weekend.

I can understand!
When a person is beaten blue-black in the knowledge he prides himself in, he looks for every opportunity of a return match on a different terrain.

Sorry!

No be every thing be fight and quarrel.

nairalanda1:
Cost reflective tarrif in the Nigerian setup is what band A is paying.

A more generous description would be whatever price the company sets that enables it to meet it's obligations without the need for things like government subsides.

That's not the case for our power sector

Even the profits you speak of are not enough to do anything.

Your comparison of soda and beer prices in Nigeria with Europe is not only irrelevant, it's also you arguing indirectly that companies should keep things cheap for you by underpaying their workers

Breweries in Nigeria don't underpay their workers. They pay well above average. What I am saying is everything should be harmonized with band A paying less and others paying more. No need for dichotomy. If that happens and the cost is up to twenty percent of the cost in western Europe then the companies are milking Nigerians and I have explained to you why.

TenQ:
I can understand!
When a person is beaten blue-black in the knowledge he prides himself in, he looks for every opportunity of a return match on a different terrain.

Sorry!

No be every thing be fight and quarrel.

Can you reaccess your statement? Do you not notice the tone you use and what it says about you? A discussion looking around the challenges with power infrastructure and how it becomes an uphill you have turned into a boxing match.

See how you brought in Ajaokuta not functioning which is fairly outside the discussion being that power constraint is not the singular issue behind its not being functional. Power is essential but not the main issue there. Focus and clarity not everything all together. Don't you know about mutually exclusive processes in an integrated system?
Even if the 110 MW captive power plant in the Ajaokuta complex were fully operational, the mill still wouldn't be able to produce liquid steel without proper logistical integration of raw materials.

Step back and address issues one at a time through components before the functioning whole. Thinking holistically before you get started is quite awkward.

The discussion was straightforward: Siemens is already collaborating with Nigeria on power infrastructure, which speaks for itself. The real confusion arises from mixing this with the 45-year Soviet failure at Ajaokuta across various systems, rather than providing clarity.

Ohyoudidnt:
Can you reaccess your statement? Do you not notice the tone you use and what it says about you? A discussion looking around the challenges with power infrastructure and how it becomes an uphill you have turned into a boxing match.

See how you brought in Ajaokuta not functioning which is fairly outside the discussion being that power constraint is not the singular issue behind its not being functional. Power is essential but not the main issue there. Focus and clarity not everything all together. Don't you know about mutually exclusive processes in an integrated system?
Even if the 110 MW captive power plant in the Ajaokuta complex were fully operational, the mill still wouldn't be able to produce liquid steel without proper logistical integration of raw materials.

Step back and address issues one at a time through components before the functioning whole. Thinking holistically before you get started is quite awkward.

The discussion was straightforward: Siemens is already collaborating with Nigeria on power infrastructure, which speaks for itself. The real confusion arises from mixing this with the 45-year Soviet failure at Ajaokuta across various systems, rather than providing clarity.

Your claim was that
But Siemens have been here since 2006 and probably before.
There's a project worth €161.33 million since December 2024 too.

And I said:
I don't know the FG terms of agreement with Siemens and no one is showing any update of work accomplished.

Lets cross our hands and watch.

Then you spoilt ot by saying :
There exactly is where you have concern. I show that there has been such agreement in the past so move your desktop literary study using the FOI and relevant elements of investigation to inquire about what is going on rather than demanding a solution that is already in place. That is more honourable.

And my response was:
I do not deny that there was a negotiation with Siemens, I only don't know what was signed with them and the level it is.

The solution is only in place AFTER execution of the plans. Can you say that about Ajaokuta Steel that has guzzled up hundreds of billions in USD with nothing to show for it?

My point here was that in Nigeria UNTIL you SEE, you don't have ANYTHING yet.

You threw in another Jab by saying
Please focus and stop jumbling matters. With or without Ajaokuta Nigeria needs power. Siemens is a relatively recent inclusion for Ajaokuta who are already multi tens of billions in Power debt. You want to Nigerianise Siemens and kill it in debt?

Think! Other steel plants in Nigeria that employed German, Japanese, or Austrian contractors had successfully begun operations without Siemens at a time ,whereas Ajaokuta, the Soviet project, has been unsuccessful for 45 years. So without the importance you place on Siemens we can have power.

Why was this comment necessary in the first place?
This was the reason I said
Can we not talk without war of words?
Is is not islamic debates with emotions also involved






Interestingly, both of us want the same thing for Nigeria here: that we solve our electric power supply problem. Which is noble and good.
If we have any differences, it is about whether the major problem was the Generation or the Transmission limitations .

We agree on in adequate political will of our leaders.
We agree on corruption as a factor preventing this.


So, I don't understand where the fights erupted from.

TenQ:
Can we not talk without war of words?
Is is not islamic debates with emotions also involved

I think irrespective of the fact that we disagree on spiritual matters, it doesn't make us enemies of each other especially when we have an issue we both want our country to resolve.

TenQ:
Your claim was that
But Siemens have been here since 2006 and probably before.
There's a project worth €161.33 million since December 2024 too.

And I said:
I don't know the FG terms of agreement with Siemens and no one is showing any update of work accomplished.

Lets cross our hands and watch.

Then you spoilt ot by saying :
There exactly is where you have concern. I show that there has been such agreement in the past so move your desktop literary study using the FOI and relevant elements of investigation to inquire about what is going on rather than demanding a solution that is already in place. That is more honourable.

And my response was:
I do not deny that there was a negotiation with Siemens, I only don't know what was signed with them and the level it is.

The solution is only in place AFTER execution of the plans. Can you say that about Ajaokuta Steel that has guzzled up hundreds of billions in USD with nothing to show for it?

My point here was that in Nigeria UNTIL you SEE, you don't have ANYTHING yet.

You threw in another Jab by saying
Please focus and stop jumbling matters. With or without Ajaokuta Nigeria needs power. Siemens is a relatively recent inclusion for Ajaokuta who are already multi tens of billions in Power debt. You want to Nigerianise Siemens and kill it in debt?

Think! Other steel plants in Nigeria that employed German, Japanese, or Austrian contractors had successfully begun operations without Siemens at a time ,whereas Ajaokuta, the Soviet project, has been unsuccessful for 45 years. So without the importance you place on Siemens we can have power.

Why was this comment necessary in the first place?
This was the reason I said
Can we not talk without war of words?
Is is not islamic debates with emotions also involved






Interestingly, both of us want the same thing for Nigeria here: that we solve our electric power supply problem. Which is noble and good.
If we have any differences, it is about whether the major problem was the Generation or the Transmission limitations .

We agree on in adequate political will of our leaders.
We agree on corruption as a factor preventing this.


So, I don't understand where the fights erupted from.



I think irrespective of the fact that we disagree on spiritual matters, it doesn't make us enemies of each other especially when we have an issue we both want our country to resolve.

You’re correct that we both see the main issue which is a lack of political accountability that's causing dysfunction in generation, transmission, gas supply, and tariff structures. Our disagreement lies in the approach: you suggested hypothetical solutions, like hiring Siemens for a 20GW turnkey project. I noted that Siemens is already under contract. Then you brought up Ajaokuta as a counter-example, but I felt that mixed together different system failures. My main concern is that Nigeria's power infrastructure has many facets, and each one needs to be addressed without dragging in the historical issues of the others. That was my only point. If my tone came across as sharp, it’s something that happens in technical discussions. We both want reliable power for Nigeria, and that shared goal is what truly matters.

Ohyoudidnt:
You’re correct that we both see the main issue which is a lack of political accountability that's causing dysfunction in generation, transmission, gas supply, and tariff structures. Our disagreement lies in the approach: you suggested hypothetical solutions, like hiring Siemens for a 20GW turnkey project. I noted that Siemens is already under contract. Then you brought up Ajaokuta as a counter-example, but I felt that mixed together different system failures. My main concern is that Nigeria's power infrastructure has many facets, and each one needs to be addressed without dragging in the historical issues of the others. That was my only point. If my tone came across as sharp, it’s something that happens in technical discussions. We both want reliable power for Nigeria, and that shared goal is what truly matters.

Its okay my friend.
Thanks for the clarifications.

Lets pray for a miracle of God's intervention in Nigeria that we might all prosper together in peace and unity.

Thanks a lot Bro!

TenQ:
Its okay my friend.
Thanks for the clarifications.

Lets pray for a miracle of God's intervention in Nigeria that we might all prosper together in peace and unity.

Thanks a lot Bro!

Amen. Absolutely, bro. I sure enjoyed our conversation and your patience throughout the exchanges. May God bless Nigeria and grant us the wisdom and unity we seek. Thank you for engaging with me.

Ohyoudidnt:
Amen. Absolutely, bro. I sure enjoyed our conversation and your patience throughout the exchanges. May God bless Nigeria and grant us the wisdom and unity we seek. Thank you for engaging with me.

Amen!
Thanks a lot Bro!

May we witness the repair, restoration and greatness of our Nation!

TenQ:
Amen!
Thanks a lot Bro!

May we witness the repair, restoration and greatness of our Nation!

nairalanda1:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2026/03/just-in-were-on-it-power-minister-begs-nigerians-over-blackout/

Another reflection where a supposedly simple fix is too far cry for Nigeria challenges or opportunities. Even the insufficient gas pipeline isn't adequately managed for faults, vandalism or expected wear. Repeated cycles of no easy fixes to multidimensional problems encompassing corruption, ethnic/religious conflicts, and infrastructure failure

Then the one promising is likely to resign by month end unless...

Ohyoudidnt:
Another reflection where a supposedly simple fix is too far cry for Nigeria challenges or opportunities. Even the insufficient gas pipeline isn't adequately managed for faults, vandalism or expected wear. Repeated cycles of no easy fixes to multidimensional problems encompassing corruption, ethnic/religious conflicts, and infrastructure failure

Then the one promising is likely to resign by month end unless...

Part of the problem of Nigeria is that we NEGLECT our human resources for availability of cash to spend.

Humans repair pipelines, but this is difficult for us because we have not developed our human capacity to do this. We will rather throw money at expatriates to solve the problem. Unfortunately, we are no longer as rich as we used to be, thus this problem becomes major.

The minister of power is just a scapegoat if he is made to resign at the end of the month for the botched promise about power supply. Unfortunately the main person behind the promise is Mr President: will he resign?

The President of Nigeria within Nigeria is next only in power to God. ANYTHING he wants will be done and achieved. The President has many priorities and he has achieved his topmost: unfortunately, the power situation seems not to be part of them. If it is a priority to Mr President, trust me, the problem is long solved!

TenQ:
Part of the problem of Nigeria is that we NEGLECT our human resources for availability of cash to spend.

Humans repair pipelines, but this is difficult for us because we have not developed our human capacity to do this. We will rather throw money at expatriates to solve the problem. Unfortunately, we are no longer as rich as we used to be, thus this problem becomes major.

The minister of power is just a scapegoat if he is made to resign at the end of the month for the botched promise about power supply. Unfortunately the main person behind the promise is Mr President: will he resign?

The President of Nigeria within Nigeria is next only in power to God. ANYTHING he wants will be done and achieved. The President has many priorities and he has achieved his topmost: unfortunately, the power situation seems not to be part of them. If it is a priority to Mr President, trust me, the problem is long solved!

Seems you get a lot of my meaning but a few things missed or misunderstood.

You will be astonished to know we actually have capacity if you excuse the scarcity of advanced level equipment and inability of the indigenous worker to meet the bureaucratic requirements to handle these projects.

Regardless of the presence or absence of the promises however stated and misunderstood there's no scape goating here. This guy has eyes on gubernatorial power.

The laws governing power in Nigeria are changing but we need better commercial law implementation and efficiency for us to hit reasonable electric power satisfaction. No private individual wants to waste money outside the BIG boys that are governing outside government that currently own all these big power generating stations. 🥴

Ohyoudidnt:
Seems you get a lot of my meaning but a few things missed or misunderstood.

You will be astonished to know we actually have capacity if you excuse the scarcity of advanced level equipment and inability of the indigenous worker to meet the bureaucratic requirements to handle these projects.

I Understand except that Capacity is measured in terms of
1. Intellectual Capacity which we have
2. Specialty Capacity (Experts in the field) we may have
3. Infrastructural capacity which we mostly lack

Ohyoudidnt:
Regardless of the presence or absence of the promises however stated and misunderstood there's no scape goating here. This guy has eyes on gubernatorial power.

I think I reacted like this based on the way you phrased it. The minster had not performed and I think we agree on that. I feel that the President of Nigeria is too powerful for him to fail in this area EXCEPT IF he isn't too Interested

Ohyoudidnt:
The laws governing power in Nigeria are changing but we need better commercial law implementation and efficiency for us to hit reasonable electric power satisfaction. No private individual wants to waste money outside the BIG boys that are governing outside government that currently own all these big power generating stations. 🥴

I perfectly agree with you here

TenQ:
I Understand except that Capacity is measured in terms of
1. Intellectual Capacity which we have
2. Specialty Capacity (Experts in the field) we may have
3. Infrastructural capacity which we mostly lack



I think I reacted like this based on the way you phrased it. The minster had not performed and I think we agree on that. I feel that the President of Nigeria is too powerful for him to fail in this area EXCEPT IF he isn't too Interested


I perfectly agree with you here

Alas:

InfoGuru118:
The Minister of Power, Adebayo Adelabu has resigned his position.

Ouch I didn't independently verify
Power supply when available lately comes in under 200V

Ohyoudidnt:
Alas:

Ouch I didn't independently verify
Power supply when available lately comes in under 200V

True news. He resigned for gubernatorial election reasons

modified:
https://www.nairaland.com/8645624/adelabu-abandons-governorship-ambition-says

They said its fake news