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| Re: God Has No Religion by Kobojunkie: 10:07pm On Feb 13*. Modified: 11:19pm On Feb 13 |
@AbuTwins, ➜This is false. It was when man was lonely that the woman was created. Genesis 2:18 - Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him. So a woman is basically a man's helper from your God and Bible. Paul also said: Neither was man created for the sake of woman, but woman for man 1 Corinthians 11:9This is wrong! What is written in Genesis is instead that man was alone— not lonely,note the difference. Adam was the only man who was ever alone on this planet by virtue of being the first that was created. And the helper fit for him was a clone of Adam. Eve was cloned from Adam down to the DNA, and as such, probably had many of the temperaments and tendencies that Adam himself had— she was fit for him. Eve was not created as a subhuman or lower than Adam. Rather, she was created from Adam to fit with him in all ways. No other man on this planet after Adam compares in any way, except Jesus Christ of Israel, maybe, since he was born of no father. And she was the only clone ever made for any man.  2. Islam says those words; however does the complete opposite is the problem here. No woman feels treated well when ➜ She has been covered up from childhood as though her body is something for her to be ashamed of being born with ➜ She is told that she has to live her life as a second-class citizen on the same planet she was born into, with others who happen to simply have different plumbing than she does ➜ She has to have Allah, Mohammedan, her father, brothers, and all other Mohammedans in her business, monitoring her every move, decision, and progress in life ➜ She has to settle for less in life than a man whom she calls her husband can ➜ She has no right to make decisions for her own life and well-being ➜ She has no right to even her own body to decide when or when not to have sex .... I can go on, but the point here is that Islam says to treat women well, and then Islam goes on to treat women no better than dogs and donkeys are treated in Islam. That is terrible. 3. You have never read the books of the Torah and the Injeel, have you? You have never read where Jesus Christ of Israel enjoins that in his nation, all men(brothers) and women(sisters) are equals— everything that applies to a man applies equally to a woman? 🥱 |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Kobojunkie: 10:42pm On Feb 13*. Modified: 11:49pm On Feb 14 |
@Lukuluku In the Quran. Allah forgive Adam and Eve, so all the nonsense ofI get that the Mohammedan perspective of sin is different from the Torah and the Injeel's. I myself don't agree with the way religion, particularly Christianity, addresses the issue of sin from Adam, as their idea is completely different from that presented in the Torah and the Injeel. 🥱🥱 However, since the Quran pretends to subscribe to the Torah and the Injeel, I do have questions to ask about how the issue of sin is explained in Islam to Mohammedans. According to the book of Genesis in the Torah, Sin came into the world by way of the sins of Adam and Eve, and the suffering that men endure to this day comes from the curse of sin imposed on Adam and Eve(and all of their descendants) — Genesis 3. Death and suffering are defined and brought into the world as a curse for the sins committed by Adam and Eve. Basically, all human suffering(sicknesses, etc.) and death are a result of the curse that was placed on Adam and Eve— women's struggles with childbearing, whether they have children or not, included— and those persist to this day, according to Genesis 3 vs 14 - 24. 🥱🥱 If Mohammed in Islam insists that Allah, in fact, forgave Adam and Eve for their sins, what is his explanation for why the supposed curse of sin persists even after that? I mean, Adam did die, did he not? And the curse for the sin committed by Adam was death(Genesis has it that death did not exist for man until after Adam was cursed). So, why did Adam and Eve eventually die if they were, in fact, forgiven? Why does suffering and death persist if the ones who committed the sins were, as Mohammed claims, forgiven for their sins? 🥱🥱 |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Kobojunkie: 11:03pm On Feb 13 |
@honesttalk21 ➜Hoyland, Arabia and the Arabs (2001), pages 146-147. I mistakenly cited pages 161-165 (polytheism) instead which discuss the monotheistic shift to the Merciful...Lord of heaven and earth.1. Even those pages don't support the claims made by you. ➜ 2. Couldn't get a copy of the book in English to read. 3. Can we please get back to the main issue here, which is the original claim you made regarding Abraham and the hanif, or of him being a hanif from whom the supposed monotheists that predate Islam in the region are descended? I am tired of the numerous segways at this point. Nothing in the artifact or the inscription says anything regarding a hanif or Abraham. 4. I don't see any reason to do that since there exists more than enough evidence to suggest that there were Jewish settlements in the Himyaritic kingdom long before the idea of Islam hit Mohammed's mind. |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Kobojunkie: 1:36am On Feb 14 |
@ Expanse2020 ➜Yes as claimed Torah and injeel where preserved ... Which the Jewa of his time were testified when they asked me some questions on it...1. The Torah and the Injeel that we have today in 2026 date back to a period about 600 years before Mohammed. Are you insinuating that, despite Mohammed's Allah's claim that he inspired, preserved, and authorized the Torah and the Injeel, the books were at some point no longer preserved and authorized by Allah? Basically, are you insinuating that at some point Allah changed his mind about preserving and authorizing the Torah and the Injeel at some point? 🥱🥱 2. Are you insinuating that Mohammed's Allah was mistaken in declaring that no man can change his Word as declared in the Torah and the Injeel? 114. ˹Say, O Prophet,˺ “Should I seek a judge other than Allah while He is the One Who has revealed for you the Book ˹with the truth˺ perfectly explained?” Those who were given the Scripture know that it has been revealed ˹to you˺ from your Lord in truth. So do not be one of those who doubt.🥱🥱Are you suggesting here that King David was able to falsify the claim made by Mohammed's Allah that no one can change his word? 43. But why do they come to you for judgment when they ˹already˺ have the Torah containing Allah’s judgment, then they turn away after all? They are not ˹true˺ believers.Was Mohammed's Allah fooling us all when he supposedly made the above claims regarding the Torah and the Injeel? 🥱🥱 3. I am not here to argue for any religion. But I do find it interesting that even though in Quran 5 vs 43- 48 above, Mohammed claims Allah gave both the Torah and the Injeel to the Jews and then to the Christians. Are you insinuating that you, in fact, disagree with Allah, given the Christians— this is from the Quran and not from me — the Injeel in fulfilment of the Torah? 🥱🥱 4. That is interesting. Paul never actually said his letters constitute Scripture. So, I can't actually fault him for any of what the religion of Christianity turned his letters into. However, the fact that Allah sanctions the Christians in his Quran and went as far as to quote from one of Paul's letters, though, leaves me questioning whether Mohammed's Allah knew that the letters of Paul(and the letters of all of the other disciples), which the Christians follow, were not, in fact, part of the Injeel at the time Mohammed encountered the Christians. 🥱🥱 Allah Most High said: 'I have prepared for My righteous worshipers what no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no human heart has conceived.'... Narrated Abu Hurairah:... It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:... Narrated Abu Huraira:... Narrated Abu Huraira:... Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said:5. But Mohammed is also dead, too, and he died of a cut aorta, for that matter. So what are you saying? 🥱🥱 |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Kobojunkie: 2:34am On Feb 14 |
@AbuTwins, are you being serious here? Why should I google any such? Of what relevance does that have to this particular topic or issue? 🥱🥱 ➜Since you know better you should have cited them here. What was the last sermon Muhammad gave? Google it and see for yourself particularly the part regarding women!The Quran and the Hadiths document Mohammed's treatment of women during his lifetime, and apart from his first wife, who was both his employer and benefactor— she died before Mohammed revealed this other side of him towards women—, no other woman experienced this supposed benevolence you claim Islam has towards women. To Mohammed, women were merely tools for the purpose and pleasure of men. His words regarding them, going as far as to claim their intelligence is questionable and that their witness is half that of a man, speak volumes regarding the kind of man Mohammed was, and the sort of heart he had towards women. |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Kobojunkie: 3:03am On Feb 14*. Modified: 4:01am On Feb 14 |
@Abutwin, In his book, Tahrir Al-Wasilah(Vol. 2, p. 216 or 221-222) - Guide on Islamic Law by Imam Aiatollah Khomeini, we read that Islam practically regards females, from the moment they are born, as tools for the pleasure and use of men. Suckling babies are not spared. This is what Sharia Law—Islam — is for women. We see this in Aghanistan and it is the norm across Islam, except the majority do not adhere to the Quran. So, what does it matter that there exists a lot of doublethink in the Quran and Hadiths? 🥱 https://islamicvirtues.com/tag/infants/ |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Kobojunkie: 4:27am On Feb 14*. Modified: 7:59pm On Feb 14 |
@FaithScan, https://www.nairaland.com/8458589/20-honest-questions-sincere-christians I am not a Christian(I am irreligious). However, I have read the Torah and the Injeel, parts of the Quran and Hadiths, along with parts of the Mishnah and the Talmud, and also books referenced in the Quran and Hadiths. So, I believe I am qualified to provide you with answers to the 20 questions you had asked. 🥱🥱 20 Honest Questions for Sincere Christians to Consider1. A child does not explicitly have to hear his dad say the words, "I am your father," before the child comes to believe that the man who has been raising him from his birth is his father. This need you have for explicit declaration of status by way of the statement “I am God, worship me” may be a rule for Islam, but it is not a rule anywhere else. To answer your question, yes, Jesus Christ of Israel, by virtue of comparing Himself to YHWH, declaring that He is the Word, the Truth, and the Eternal Life of YHWH, essentially declared Himself to be worshipped by His followers, who in turn would receive Eternal Life from Jesus Christ of Israel— the salvation/redemption Israelites needed from the curse of sin and death which they had incured by their disobedience of the Law. And the only way they could obtain that was through their trust and obedience to Jesus Christ of Israel, the Law of YHWH in the nation that is the Kingdom of God. The prophecy that was given by YHWH to come through the line of Jesse declared that an Eternal King would come to reign forever over the throne of Israel. And through that King, all of Israel would be saved. 2. According to the Injeel, YHWH is God, the Father of Jesus Christ of Israel. YHWH is greater than Jesus Christ of Israel, and Jesus Christ of Israel does the Will of His Father, YHWH. So, the Father sent the Son into the human dimension to have the human experience and die the human death. And after He experienced the human death that was created by His Father, YHWH, in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 24, Jesus Christ of Israel raised Himself from the dead after 3 days in the grave(paradise is the grave). 🥱🥱 That is it! It is really self-explanatory for those who read the book with an unbiased mind. 3. The original statement was made by Balaam when YHWH of Israel spoke through Balaam to Balak Son of Zippor. 16 So the Lord came to Balaam and told Balaam what to say. Then he told Balaam to go back to Balak and say these things.YHWH is God of Israel, Father of Jesus Christ of Israel. He is the God referenced in the above passage. Jesus Christ of Israel is not YHWH but He is the Son of YHWH. 4. Yes! It is possible. Have you not seen the movie Avatar, or The Last Airbender? We see analogies of this sort of thing— beings existing in different spaces at the same time —in many spaces in our daily lives. However, seems some of us would remain blind to this still. Godhood and Human-ness are not contradictory experiences but rather distinct in that one does not counter the other. When Adam was made in Genesis 2, for example, he was made of flesh and blood, and yes, also in the image of YHWH —righteous standard of YHWH —indicating that humanity does not contradict Godhood of God or nullify it. Before sin, Adam was a son of God, and God walked and communicated with him. However, it was sin that voided his status/relationship with God. 🥱🥱 Jesus Christ is described as the Word spoken out of YHWH's mouth, and also YHWH's Eternal Life— there are no other Eternal lives to YHWH. He has been there with YHWH for eternity. And just because he created for himself a human avatar in the human dimension through which he lived the human experience does not take away from or diminish from His Godhood. 🥱🥱 You only need to look in your Quran to see that even Mohammed capitulated to Jesus being the holy son of, in this case, YHWH.🥱🥱 16. Relate in the Book (The story of) Mary, When she withdrew From her family To a place in the East.So, do you not agree with the messenger of Allah or something? 🥱🥱 |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Kobojunkie: 4:28am On Feb 14 |
20 Honest Questions for Sincere Christians to ConsiderTo be continued... |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Expanse2020(m): 8:07am On Feb 14 |
Kobojunkie:ehen so you mean it you were there or where you the one who cut it🤔🤔 |
| Re: God Has No Religion by AbuTwins: 10:27am On Feb 14 |
Kobojunkie:You are still in denial. State what he did here with evidence! At least there must be something the first wife saw in him to marry him. And he never had any other wife till she died. Once again, what was the last sermon of the Prophet especially regarding women? Oya divert again as usual! |
| Re: God Has No Religion by AbuTwins: 10:41am On Feb 14 |
Kobojunkie:You refused to explain how Eve was created to be a "helper" as Adam cannot help himself. Are you equal to the one you are created to help? 2. Islam says those words; however does the complete opposite is the problem here. No woman feels treated well whenCovering your body is an injunction from Allah not from your husband or any other man. So this is out of the way! Man and woman are two distinct individuals created biologically different! ➜ She is told that she has to live her life as a second-class citizen on the same planet she was born into, with others who happen to simply have different plumbing than she doesWomen even in the time of the Prophet were richer than men. And no one says a woman can't be rich. A woman is always to be taken care of by a man. As a father, husband, brother, etc. You can call it whatever you like. If i provide shelter, clothes and feeding for someone does that qualifies her as a second class citizen? ➜ She has to have Allah, Mohammedan, her father, brothers, and all other Mohammedans in her business, monitoring her every move, decision, and progress in lifeYes, that's protection. Many women living with their parents at 35+ today would die to get such treatment any day! ➜ She has to settle for less in life than a man whom she calls her husband canThis is submission as to the Lord. Ephesians 5:22 - Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.  Isn't this hypocrisy?....How does a wife submit to a husband as to the Lord? Is that not total submission? 3. You have never read the books of the Torah and the Injeel, have you? You have never read where Jesus Christ of Israel enjoins that in his nation, all men(brothers) and women(sisters) are equals— everything that applies to a man applies equally to a woman? 🥱Show us the verses from Jesus! |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Kobojunkie: 3:32pm On Feb 14 |
AbuTwins:2. You are sorely mistaken here. If you read the Injeel, you will find that even Jesus Christ of Israel sent His own Spirit of Truth as Helper to His followers, and in Jesus Christ of Israel's own words, the helper is one who counsels, comforts, guides and judges them. Is the Spirit of Truth sent by Jesus Christ a lesser being merely on grounds that He is referred to as a Helper in this? 🥱🥱 2. Now you are lying! Covering a woman up came up because Umar , a perverted being kept spying on Mohammed's wives and urging him to have the women covered up. Even Umar rejoiced when Mohammed eventually caved and suggested it was Allah who commanded it... 2 different times too...that it was his will that Allah had sanctioned. 🥱🥱 3. How many of Mohammed's own wives where these women? I am not asking of Khadijah by the way.🥱🥱🥱 4. Every day on this planet, about 120 women are killed by their men in their close circles --- fathers, brothers, uncles, boyfriend or husbands. This is equally true in the world of Islam were the vast majority of so-called honor killings are carried out by immediate male relatives of the victim. So, how can caging a woman to living a life caged to the whims of her potential killers be considered protection? 🥱🥱 5. The Lord of the Injeel is Jesus Christ of Israel and He proclaimed in His teachings that He alone is head over His followers. He is the one to judge them all...even according to the Quran, so when did Paul become one that a woman should submit to? And yes, a head or one who you submit to is one who is god over you. Even in the Old Law, YHWH never asked any man or woman to submit to another man or woman. So, how can a suggestion which violates both the Torah and Injeel be your go to? 🥱🥱 Oh, wait... Nevermind! I just remembered that Mohammed also subscribed to the Mishnah and the Talmud, books written by the lying pens of Israel. 🥱🥱 6. So, you have never read even the Injeel....just 4 books actually...but are quick to pretend you have it all figured out, same way you have probably also never read the Quran for yourself... right? 😩😩😩 |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Kobojunkie: 3:47pm On Feb 14*. Modified: 4:10pm On Feb 14 |
AbuTwins:Stop wasting time on meaningless rambles then and answer me... Why should I forget the deeds of the man towards his own wives and slaves-- he looked down on women, had his own wives as property instructing that no man marry any of them resulting in all 9 of them not ever having kids even after his death according to Islam lore---to concern myself only with what you regard as his last sermons? 🥱🥱 Does this sermon change his deeds and pronouncements regarding women that hold to this day as part of Islamic tradition? 🥱🥱 |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Kobojunkie: 3:50pm On Feb 14 |
Expanse2020:Seems the needle on your compass has completely shifted to correcting Mohammed's Allah already. So no point! 🥱🥱 |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Kobojunkie: 8:09pm On Feb 14 |
Is it that Allah of the Mohammedans eventually failed in what he originally claimed? Narrated Jubair bin Nufair:If in 700AD, Mohammed's Quran confirmed that the Torah and the Injeel, which existed at his time, were the books supposedly inspired, preserved, and authorized by Allah of the Mohammedans and handed to the Jews and Christians. And the King David translation of the same books that exist today is based on the same books that Mohammed bore witness to back when he was alive. Then, if the claim is that the King David translation is in error, are you not invariably condemning Mohammed and Allah's insistence that the books are inspired, preserved, and authorized by Allah himself, the one whose word we are made to believe by Mohammed cannot be changed by any man. |
| Re: God Has No Religion by orisa37: 7:19am On Feb 15 |
YES. BECAUSE GOD IS THE GRAND ORDER DOMINION TO WHOM ALL CREATURES RELATE. RELIGION IS RELATE TO LEGEND. ENGLISH LANGUAGE. |
| Re: God Has No Religion by orisa37: 7:40am On Feb 15 |
GOD IS THE REASON FOR RELIGION. |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Expanse2020(m): 2:21pm On Feb 15 |
Kobojunkie:I already know you when you don't have any card left you will be clogging in a circle... Shame Na everybody go be like you worshipping one guy from the Jew... Calling God 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Like a Rabi will... JC🤣🤣🤣 the fool goiying and their slaves worship |
| Re: God Has No Religion by AbuTwins: 11:52am On Feb 16 |
Kobojunkie:He is the Prophet of Allah and is entitled to such honor by Allah. His wives are honoured as the mothers of the believers. And i didn't see you type any wrongdoing from him to any of his wives! That's your own point of view according to your dispossition. He is still the best to his wives! 1 Like |
| Re: God Has No Religion by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:58pm On Feb 16 |
Expanse2020:Please some people are attacking Islam on Facebook recently perhaps you need to go and defend your religion there!😟 |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Expanse2020(m): 10:42pm On Feb 16 |
MaxInDHouse:So you haven't heard that they are clarified everything to us now that Christianity is false.. With several unknown authors claiming they wrote the words of God... Who is mark Who is Matthew Who is Luke👀 I learnt that mr. J C was a Jewishh rabbi as well as Paul ... Where did Christianity came from...🫣 Ooh from your slave master🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
| Re: God Has No Religion by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:14am On Feb 17 |
Who cares where it came from? Ọmọ true Christianity has sufficed as an organization called Jehovah's Witnesses and from all indication they have fulfilled what God promised regarding pure worship in the end time {Isaiah 2:4} so let it come from anywhere as long as the religion has produced good fruit the rest nah story! Matthew 7:16-18 Meanwhile it's one of my Bible students who is a Muslim that i got the link to the site where former Muslims are exposing Islam and all the lies Muhammad packaged as Quran for your people. If you want i can share the link with you here perhaps you have something to say about it. I for one discovered without being told that something is wrong with Islam that's why i took my leave but these guys are just too much even your Alfaa were all silenced!😟 Expanse2020: |
| Re: God Has No Religion by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:01am On Feb 17 |
@ Expanse2020 Here is the link i believe honesty and love for the truth will guide you. Go to (msbaba) on Facebook Just search for the link on Facebook! |
| Re: God Has No Religion by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:06am On Feb 17 |
Paxonel following me up and down the forum after getting banned due to vulgar speech!🙂 |
| Re: God Has No Religion by paxonel(m): 8:38am On Feb 17 |
MaxInDHouse:Screenshot and post one thread that you created for your Jehovah witness organization which i PAXONEL jump into, and start commenting let's see, or who care about dead people? And the thread you are commenting now, who created it? Did the op created it for Jehovah witnesses or for his religion? So, What are you doing here since you do not belong to the same religion with the op ? You are always restless and no inner peace! Same with all Jehovah witnesses roaming about |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Expanse2020(m): 12:38pm On Feb 17 |
MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: God Has No Religion by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:41pm On Feb 17 |
When God has born Witness to the works of Jehovah's Witnesses by helping them to do His will do you think we need your approval?😀 Expanse2020: |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Expanse2020(m): 10:48am On Feb 18 |
MaxInDHouse:You can see all you are doing is a waste of time... Jesus is a Jew rabbi... Preach in Jew But your European master called christians Give you bible written by the m Still give your own particular CT tie and bag join🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 1 Like |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Expanse2020(m): 10:54am On Feb 18 |
AbuTwins:But did you those wives you were saying they weren't marry as young but mostly had there own children before they married Rossulullah... |
| Re: God Has No Religion by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:45am On Feb 18 |
Expanse2020:It's not how far but how well!🙂 |
| Re: God Has No Religion by Expanse2020(m): 2:24pm On Feb 18 |
MaxInDHouse:I just come from the link and I have a special package for you Down here 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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