₦airaland Forum

AlphaTaikun:
Nicely put. The Ebiras of Kogi however are overwhelmingly Muslims although I have a couple of very brilliant Ebiras associates that I have known for over 50 years now who are NOT Muslims. The Igalas also have a significant number of Muslims. However the Kogi State Yorubas (Okuns) are LARGELY adherents of Ifa and Christianity. I've never seen or heard of even one Muslim among the Okuns.

Just to add my thoughts on the religious inclinations of Yoruba folks in the 1800s, in my many decades of studyinh advanced archival materials on Yoruba history of the last 500 years (from books such as the "History of the Yorubas" by Reverend Samuel Johnson who is Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther's cousin via Alaafin Abiodun of the Oyo Empire), Balogun Oderinlo of Ibadan who was one of the MOST respected Ibadan military commanders that defeated the combined Fula attack in 1830 (there were also Ilorin Yoruba and Hausa Muslims who took part in the attack on Osogbo), was actually a practicing Muslim. It is to the credit of people such as Balogun Oderinlo that many of his fellow Yoruba Muslims stood up to fight the Fula invaders of Yorubaland and defeated them conclusively. The brave Yoruba warriors of Ibadan also defeated the foreign Fula bandits at Otun-Ekiti and they never attempted to attack the Yoruba interior again.

Ok I never knew Balogun Oderinlo was a Muslim

Please don't bring this foolishness here. The Igbos have voted for other tribes in the past.

Obasanjo won Anambra and many places in the East while OJUKWU himself was a contestant and on the ballot.

Yaradua also won in the East.

Even Buhari had a lot of votes from the East.

The Igbos have voted enough for other tribes, enough to say they can vote for a competent man who just happens to be an Igbo man.


The Muslim north trudged behind Tinubu for his MuMu ticket even when Obi/Datti and Atiku/Okowa presented a more balanced candidacy, which I daresay, had more moral credibility (however little, in the case of Atiku/Okowa) than the Tinubu/Shettima flag.

Igbos didn't vote Obi because he's a Christian; they voted for competence and balance, like sane people did.

stuffs2002:
Hypocrisy is when you expect Hausas to present a Northern Christian when Igbos have never presented an Igbo Muslim for presidency

The biggest religious bigotry happened in the south east when Igbos voted nearly 100% for Obi just because he is a Christian

Moneyyman:
Please don't bring this foolishness here. The Igbos have voted for other tribes in the past.

Obasanjo won Anambra and many places in the East while OJUKWU himself was a contestant and on the ballot.

Yaradua also won in the East.

Even Buhari had a lot of votes from the East.

The Igbos have voted enough for other tribes, enough to say they can vote for a competent man who just happens to be an Igbo man.


The Muslim north trudged behind Tinubu for his MuMu ticket even when Obi/Datti and Atiku/Okowa presented a more balanced candidacy, which I daresay, had more moral credibility (however little, in the case of Atiku/Okowa) than the Tinubu/Shettima flag.

Igbos didn't vote Obi because he's a Christian; they voted for competence and balance, like sane people did.

The majority including Igbos vote on sentiments and not competence and that is why some say there should be zoning to include everybody. According to you, who is the most successful governor since 1999?

Igbos vote on sentiments but Nigeria has never produced an Igbo president.

Why has the north never produced an president that isn't Fulani and core Muslim?

lawani:
The majority including Igbos vote on sentiments and not competence and that is why some say there should be zoning to include everybody. According to you, who is the most successful governor since 1999?

Moneyyman:
Igbos vote on sentiments but Nigeria has never produced an Igbo president.

Why has the north never produced an president that isn't Fulani and core Muslim?

Overtime if Nigeria remains together then the position of President will pass around naturally. North has produced two elected Presidents during this fourth republic that are from the NW not necessarily Fulani. If we count Balewa in the first republic and Shagari in the second then it is four. Yaradua wasn't Fulani. Gowon spent nine years as head and he was Northern Christian. Balewa was not Fulani. If they zone Presidency to the North Central then a Christian can clinch the ticket. Babangida and Abdulsalam as well as Abacha were not Fulani. Muritala Mohammed was not Fulani.

People just lump all Northern Muslims together and call them Fulani which they are not. IBB actually sacked a Fulani controlled government almost without firing a shot. This is not to say there is no influence of the Sokoto caliphate over some of the men.

Nigeria's first President was Igbo and the first military head was Igbo but there has not been any Igbo President since the end of the civil war. Tinubu can also be regarded as the first Yoruba sponsored President because Obasanjo was imposed on the country by the military and if there is zoning, I would not agree as a person that the SW should rank equally with every other zone given the population not to talk of the output as that wouldn't be fair

You are including military heads of state who took power and were not elected.

It's good you mentioned "lumping" Northerners as Fulani. Yet the initial argument was about the core north voting a Christian Northerner. They don't.

That's why I see it as hypocrisy to say the largely Christian south vote based on tribal and religious divides, when they have always voted in Christians or Muslims from the north or the south.

lawani:
Overtime if Nigeria remains together then the position of President will pass around naturally. North has produced two elected Presidents during this fourth republic that are from the NW not necessarily Fulani. If we count Balewa in the first republic and Shagari in the second then it is four. Yaradua wasn't Fulani. Gowon spent nine years as head and he was Northern Christian. Balewa was not Fulani. If they zone Presidency to the North Central then a Christian can clinch the ticket. Babangida and Abdulsalam as well as Abacha were not Fulani. Muritala Mohammed was not Fulani.

People just lump all Northern Muslims together and call them Fulani which they are not. IBB actually sacked a Fulani controlled government almost without firing a shot. This is not to say there is no influence of the Sokoto caliphate over some of the men.

Nigeria's first President was Igbo and the first military head was Igbo but there has not been any Igbo President since the end of the civil war. Tinubu can also be regarded as the first Yoruba sponsored President because Obasanjo was imposed on the country by the military and if there is zoning, I would not agree as a person that the SW should rank equally with every other zone given the population not to talk of the output as that wouldn't be fair

Moneyyman:
You are including military heads of state who took power and were not elected.

It's good you mentioned "lumping" Northerners as Fulani. Yet the initial argument was about the core north voting a Christian Northerner. They don't.

That's why I see it as hypocrisy to say the largely Christian south vote based on tribal and religious divides, when they have always voted in Christians or Muslims from the north or the south.

Fact is no Christian Northerner has been presented. When they are presented they will win. What is there to stop them? There is no enough Northern Muslims to stop them if you think it is Northern Muslims that don't want them there

Moneyyman:
Do you see how stupid this sounds?

You are essentially saying that the Muslims (mostly the northern Muslims) won't vote e or Christian VP, especially if he's from the North!!!

That means the decision is not political but driven by religious bigotry!

See how stupid her explanations sounds.

You cannot expect a greedy and stupid person to not say stupid things

AMINDA:
So in other words, Muslims didn't vote Tinubu despite his muslim-muslim ticket. Tell him to try a christian V.P in 2027 then. Why is Remi Tinubu still against that despite being a pastor?

Anyone can claim to be a Pastor or get ordained as a Pastor in RCCG.

I know Fraudsters who are also Pastors.
Have we not seen Ritualists who are also Pastors (just like we have in islam)?
Evn Jesus, in Biblical Times, acknowledged the existence of fake Pastors when he said "These 'Charlatans' will say did we not do all these "miracles" in your Name? And Jesus responded: I know ye not, go to your Father, the Devil".

Even Atiku went to marry Igbo lady, for Political reasons, just like some used their Mnoney to get ordained as Redeem Pastor... but lack the spirit of God, nor of Jesus His begotten Son.

Why haven't they presented? Because they never vote them at the primaries.

lawani:
Fact is no Christian Northerner has been presented. When they are presented they will win. What is there to stop them? There is no enough Northern Muslims to stop them if you think it is Northern Muslims that don't want them there

Moneyyman:
Why haven't they presented? Because they never vote them at the primaries.

This should not even be debated. Northern Christians are not banned from contesting elections. Many of them have good track records too. Northern Muslims can vote them. I don't see any reason they won't since they vote southern Christians but even if they don't, they can still win. Northern Muslims are not the majority of voters in the country. No single bloc is the majority. If any voting bloc says someone from another bloc must never get there, then there will be protest and solidarity votes in favor of the party being denied. It is just human nature

123papas:
You should care cos two wrongs don’t make a right.

That's hypocrisy. When someone who is guilty of the same thing is calling others out.

Religion is the problem here.

How is it the problem. I don't see it as the problem in this case unless someone or some people want to make it problem