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FxMasterz:
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Here is my own telling of the Isaiah 45 story—focused on one simple question: Did what Isaiah 45 described actually happen in verifiable history, or not?

A God Who Stakes His Identity on Time
Ancient humanity was never short of gods. Every culture had many—gods of war, rain, fertility, wisdom. What they all shared was this: none of them were testable. They explained the past, justified the present, but never put their identity on the line in a way history itself could verify.

Isaiah records something different.
In Isaiah 40–48, the God of Israel does not argue philosophically. He does not demand blind faith. Instead, He proposes a test:

If you are gods, tell the future. Declare what is to come.

This is an audacious claim. Predictive specificity is dangerous—because it can be checked later. False gods avoid that risk. The God of Isaiah embraces it. Then He does something without precedent in ancient religious literature: He names a future political leader, assigns him a task, and ties His own credibility to whether it happens.

The name is Cyrus. The Problem With Cyrus:
When Isaiah wrote, several things were true:

1. Jerusalem was still standing.
2. The Temple was still intact
3. Israel was not in exile
4. Persia was not a world empire
5. Cyrus did not exist
6. His parents did not exist
7. His grandparents did not exist

Yet Isaiah 44–45 speaks of Cyrus as though he is already alive—called by name, addressed directly, assigned a mission:

1. He will subdue nations
2. He will open gates no one can shut
3. He will rebuild Jerusalem
4. He will order the Temple rebuilt
5. He will release Israel’s captives

This is not vague symbolism. These are administrative, political actions. At the time, they made no sense.

Isaiah Dies. History Moves On.
Roughly 50 years later, something Isaiah never lived to see happens:

1. Babylon attacks Jerusalem
2. The Temple is burned
3. The population is deported

Only now does Isaiah’s prophecy even become relevant. Before this, it sounded unnecessary. After this, it sounded impossible.

Isaiah is gone. His words remain—unfulfilled, uneditable.

Enter Cyrus of Persia
About 150 years after Isaiah wrote, Cyrus II is born in Persia. He rises to power, conquers Babylon in 539 BC, and becomes ruler of the dominant empire of the world.

Then comes the historical hinge.

In 538 BC, Cyrus issues a decree allowing displaced peoples to return to their homelands and rebuild their temples. Among them are the Jews.

The biblical record preserves the decree (Ezra 1). But this is not the only source.

The Extra-Biblical Evidence
In 1879, archaeologists discovered the Cyrus Cylinder, now housed in the British Museum. It is a royal inscription written in Cyrus’s own time, describing his policy of restoring temples and repatriating exiled peoples.

The cylinder does not quote Isaiah. It does not mention Jerusalem by name. And that is precisely why it matters.
It independently confirms that:

1. Cyrus had a consistent imperial policy of restoration
2. He issued decrees allowing captives to return He rebuilt temples destroyed by Babylon
3. This is exactly the behavior Isaiah attributed to him—long before Babylon ever destroyed Jerusalem.

Biblical text and Persian archaeology converge without dependence on each other.

Did Cyrus Know Isaiah?

Possibly later. But the crucial point is this: Isaiah’s prophecy existed before the events It could not be edited after fulfillment. It named a specific individual. It described actions that only became meaningful decades later. It aligns with independent historical records.

If the prophecy were written after the fact, it would be detectable. Scholars debate many biblical texts—but Isaiah’s pre-exilic sections are firmly dated before Cyrus. The Dead Sea Scrolls confirm the text’s antiquity and stability.

Why This Matters
The God of Isaiah does not say, “Believe because I am powerful.”

He says, “Believe because I can do what no false god can: tell you what will happen, then make it happen.”

He even explains His motive:

So that the ends of the earth may know that I am the LORD, and there is no other.

This is not tribal bragging. It is a universal claim tied to public history.

Isaiah Is Not Alone. The Cyrus episode is not unique.

Daniel outlines centuries of geopolitical succession with disturbing precision. Later historians were so unsettled by its accuracy that some argued it must have been written after the events—until manuscript evidence proved otherwise.

The Bible repeatedly puts itself in a position where time itself can refute it.

False religions do not do that.

My Conclusion Either: Isaiah 45 is an extraordinary coincidence involving names, empires, timing, and archaeology aligning by chance or The text records a God who operates outside time and uses history as His signature. Isaiah offers no third option.

This God does not shout. He does not compete loudly with other gods.

He hides—quietly embedding His identity into the future. And centuries later, history answers for Him.

That is the question Isaiah leaves behind—not “Is God powerful?” But “Who else can do this?”

the God of Cyrus was Marduk in the cylindrical seal....
like I said before, Marduk is the Babylonian name of the Hebrew God. just as Eledumare is the yoruba name of the Hebrew God. There is only one God and power in the universe it is just the nomenclature that is different...others are just the aspects of this God, which the yoruba call ORiSHAs

sonmvayina:
the God of Cyrus was Marduk in the cylindrical seal....
like I said before, Marduk is the Babylonian name of the Hebrew God. just as Eledumare is the yoruba name of the Hebrew God. There is only one God and power in the universe it is just the nomenclature that is different...others are just the aspects of this God, which the yoruba call ORiSHAs

Don't be confused.

The God of Cyrus was indeed Marduk. The God of Israel never claimed to be the God of Cyrus. Infact, He said I"I have chosen you to do my desire, even though you have not known me."

MaxInDHouse:
NO!

Each person has his or her own personal opinion regarding how to worship God it's when they agree on terms and conditions of worship that it becomes RELIGION!🙂

And yes, many people agree on their chosen ways to worship God, isn't it? They are all practicing religion by observing different rituals that God did not command or endorse.

What God established was The Way. Man got out of Eden through one way. And he can only get back there through the same way. Hence, God gave us the Way. The Way announced Himself saying "I am the WAY, the Truth, and the Life. No.one comes unto the Father but by ME." There's no religion through which you can get to the Father. Without The Way, your religion leads no where.

So once individuals from different nation claim they belong to the way that will lead all of them to God shey?

FxMasterz:
And yes, many people agree on their chosen ways to worship God, isn't it? They are all practicing religion by observing different rituals that God did not command or endorse.
What God established was The Way. Man got out of Eden through one way. And he can only get back there through the same way. Hence, God gave us the Way. The Way announced Himself saying "I am the WAY, the Truth, and the Life. No.one comes unto the Father but by ME." There's no religion through which you can get to the Father. Without The Way, your religion leads no where.

MaxInDHouse:
So once individuals from different nation claim they belong to the way that will lead all of them to God shey?

Not by claiming. It's by doing.

Imitate Jesus. It doesn't matter whether you're committing Him yourself alone, or immigrating Him in the group of others God will accept you for being like Jesus: "For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Galatians 3:27.

Can anyone truly accept Jesus without joining other fellow believers to do God's will just as Jesus often does in his lifetime?🤔

FxMasterz:
Not by claiming. It's by doing.
Imitate Jesus. It doesn't matter whether you're committing Him yourself alone, or immigrating Him in the group of others God will accept you for being like Jesus: "For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Galatians 3:27.

MaxInDHouse:
Can anyone truly accept Jesus without joining other fellow believers to do God's will just as Jesus often does in his lifetime?🤔

That's a wrong question to ask.

The question is, can anyone encounter Jesus without anyone in his vicinity knowing anything about Jesus?

We're looking at a situation in which he is the only believer in his vicinity because of his lone encounter.

FxMasterz:
That's a wrong question to ask.

Because the question exposed your lies shey?
Well the answer is simply "NO" you can't be a Christian without joining his disciples to do the things Jesus did in his lifetime and taught his disciples to keep on doing. It's only when they are two or three doing what Jesus commanded them that he joins them in the spirit {Matthew 18:20} and that's what makes them "CHRISTIANS" so they are practicing a religion!🙂

FxMasterz:
The question is, can anyone encounter Jesus without anyone in his vicinity knowing anything about Jesus?

The answer is capital "NO"
Jesus taught people and commanded them to continue spreading the GOOD NEWS {Matthew 28:19} so it's illogical as in makes no practical sense for someone to say Jesus appeared to him or her when there is no one to teach him or her what Jesus commanded his disciples! Matthew 28:20

FxMasterz:
We're looking at a situation in which he is the only believer in his vicinity because of his lone encounter.

LIE!
That is what demons does to confuse you people and that is why you people have countless religions all claiming followers of the same man with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines!🙂

So why did your god select a few people to show his ID?
Also wtf is his ID?

MaxInDHouse:
Because the question exposed your lies shey?
Well the answer is simply "NO" you can't be a Christian without joining his disciples to do the things Jesus did in his lifetime and taught his disciples to keep on doing. It's only when they are two or three doing what Jesus commanded them that he joins them in the spirit {Matthew 18:20} and that's what makes them "CHRISTIANS" so they are practicing a religion!🙂

Meaning when John was banished into the island of Patmos all alone by himself, he stopped being a follower of Jesus. He was no longer accepted by God since he had no fellowship to join?

The answer is capital "NO"
Jesus taught people and commanded them to continue spreading the GOOD NEWS {Matthew 28:19} so it's illogical as in makes no practical sense for someone to say Jesus appeared to him or her when there is no one to teach him or her what Jesus commanded his disciples! Matthew 28:20

Meaning that those to whom Jesus revealed Himself through dreams and visions in isolated circumstances among Arab Muslims for example are all fake believers?

LIE!
That is what demons does to confuse you people and that is why you people have countless religions all claiming followers of the same man with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines!🙂

You are one of the many religions with contradicting teachings to others. What difference does it make especially when your behaviours, doctrines and ways of life are completely anti-scripture.

FxMasterz:
Meaning when John was banished into the island of Patmos all alone by himself, he stopped being a follower of Jesus. He was no longer accepted by God since he had no fellowship to join?

Why deceiving yourself nah?
Who are those receiving the messages he is getting if there was nobody with him?

FxMasterz:
Meaning that those to whom Jesus revealed Himself through dreams and visions in isolated circumstances among Arab Muslims for example are all fake believers?

YES!
Otherwise there is no reason to spread the GOOD NEWS if Jesus could reach the places without his disciples having to go there. Matthew 28:19-20

FxMasterz:
You are one of the many religions with contradicting teachings to others. What difference does it make especially when your behaviours, doctrines and ways of life are completely anti-scripture.

That is exactly what we should call each other so the next thing to figure out now is what is the name of your own church so that we can examine the WORKS of faith your church is producing in Christ? James 2:18-26

MaxInDHouse:
Why deceiving yourself nah?
Who are those receiving the messages he is getting if there was nobody with him?

Please tell me who those people were.

The Churches received his notes only after he was restored to Rome. But all those years, he was alone on the island.

YES!
Otherwise there is no reason to spread the GOOD NEWS if Jesus could reach the places without his disciples having to go there. Matthew 28:19-20

You see how your lies are exposed?

That means that individual would still strive even without a gathering!

That is exactly what we should call each other so the next thing to figure out now is what is the name of your own church so that we can examine the WORKS of faith your church is producing in Christ? James 2:18-26

The name of my Church is The Body of Christ.

FxMasterz:
Please tell me who those people were.
The Churches received his notes only after he was restored to Rome. But all those years, he was alone on the island.

John had attendants visiting him nah it was only him that was banished from among the people he was teaching as they are all doing like his biological children. 1John 2:1; 3:18; 5:21

FxMasterz:
You see how your lies are exposed?
That means that individual would still strive even without a gathering!

How can their worship be accepted when Jesus said it's only in the gathering that he could join them? Matthew 18:20

FxMasterz:
The name of my Church is The Body of Christ.

The real body of Christ has many worshipers practicing true RELIGION! 🙂

MaxInDHouse:
John had attendants visiting him nah it was only him that was banished from among the people he was teaching as they are all doing like his biological children. 1John 2:1; 3:18; 5:21

Please name his attendants with verifiable references.


[quoteA]How can their worship be accepted when Jesus said it's only in the gathering that he could join them? Matthew 18:20[/quote]Jesus lives in all believers by His Spirit in us. Tell me where the Bible says individual prayers, worship or spiritual exercises cannot be accepted.

The real body of Christ has many worshipers practicing true RELIGION! 🙂

They walk the Way. They're the imitators of Christ.

FxMasterz:
Please name his attendants with verifiable references.

Wrong question. His fellow believers knew where he is so they can visit him he was banished not to continue converting new ones not to stop him from seeing his fellow believers.

FxMasterz:
Jesus lives in all believers by His Spirit in us. Tell me where the Bible says individual prayers, worship or spiritual exercises cannot be accepted.

Individual prayers is to be directed to God not Jesus {Matthew 6:6 & 9} Jesus only comes to the scene when it involves the work he assigned to his disciples so he joins them to lead and direct them on how to do it. Matthew 18:20; 28:20

FxMasterz:
They walk the Way. They're the imitators of Christ.

They can't do the work Jesus assigned to them if they are not together as a team that is what makes them members of a RELIGION! Act 11:26

FxMasterz:
Don't be confused.

The God of Cyrus was indeed Marduk. The God of Israel never claimed to be the God of Cyrus. Infact, He said I"I have chosen you to do my desire, even though you have not known me."

God called Cyrus his servant/messiah....which simply means anointed king.
i will drop a video from youtube for you to watch

sonmvayina:
God called Cyrus his servant/messiah....which simply means anointed king.
i will drop a video from youtube for you to watch.

Jehovah used that pagan King to fulfill His promise regarding the restoration of pure worship in Judah so the idea that Cyrus is the Messiah or anointed King doesn't apply to pure worship but chosen for a special assignment among all the kings of the earth.🙂

sonmvayina:
God called Cyrus his servant/messiah....which simply means anointed king.
i will drop a video from youtube for you to watch

You don't need to drop me any video. I don't even go by popular opinion. I go by what the Bible says.

Cyrus was a pagan king Whom God used to fulfil His purpose for the world at the time. He didn't serve the God of Israel. He served his own gods.

Infact, tradition has it that Cyrus was awed when he was shown the prophecy of Isaiah that was made about him, even calling him by name about 74yrs before he was born.

MaxInDHouse:
Wrong question. His fellow believers knew where he is so they can visit him he was banished not to continue converting new ones not to stop him from seeing his fellow believers.

It seems you don't even understand the history of these things. Government banished someone into seclusion, who is that person that would go and meet him there? You don't understand that it was a crime for anyone to even go meet him at Patmos. There's no record of anyone going there to meet him. Give us such records if you have them.

Individual prayers is to be directed to God not Jesus {Matthew 6:6 & 9} Jesus only comes to the scene when it involves the work he assigned to his disciples so he joins them to lead and direct them on how to do it. Matthew 18:20; 28:20

You want to digress to "the work He gave His disciples", meanwhile the argument is about serving God in a gathering. My friend, you don't understand how salvation works.

Little do you even know that Jesus can return to take only one man if that man is the only man serving God on earth.

It is the height of ignorance to think that God moves with gatherings. He moves with individuals even inside gatherings. That's why on the day of judgment, it will be everyone to.himself. And, starting from now "EVERYONE is to strive for HIS OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling."

Walking with God is a personal thing. Gatherings are just to help.for support and spiritual fellowshipping. It isn't a prerequisite for salvation.

They can't do the work Jesus assigned to them if they are not together as a team that is what makes them members of a RELIGION! Act 11:26

One man was serving God all alone in the scriptures. The disciples saw him and asked him to stop doing any work for God "Because he goeth not out with us" He didn't join the gathering of the disciples. Do you know what Jesus told them? He said "Leave him alone. He that is not against us is for us." Jesus said that lone preacher is for Him. Who are you to say he's not?

FxMasterz:
It seems you don't even understand the history of these things. Government banished someone into seclusion, who is that person that would go and meet him there? You don't understand that it was a crime for anyone to even go meet him at Patmos. There's no record of anyone going there to meet him. Give us such records if you have them.

Can you quote any reference work in the history of mankind that says nobody can visit the person banished?🙂

FxMasterz:
You want to digress to "the work He gave His disciples", meanwhile the argument is about serving God in a gathering. My friend, you don't understand how salvation works.

There is no salvation without WORKS as Jesus assigned to his disciples {James 2:18-26} anyone who wants to be saved must join Jesus' disciples in doing that work. Luke 18:22

FxMasterz:
Little do you even know that Jesus can return to take only one man if that man is the only man serving God on earth.

Funny thing is Jesus said to his disciples:
"You (millions of disciples) will be WITNESSES of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8
Ọmọ Jesus confirmed that his disciples will be everywhere on this planet even though they may be few in relation to the population of the earth! Matthew 24:14

FxMasterz:
It is the height of ignorance to think that God moves with gatherings. He moves with individuals even inside gatherings. That's why on the day of judgment, it will be everyone to.himself. And, starting from now "EVERYONE is to strive for HIS OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling."

God is not glorified in the worship of just one person that's why angels assemble before him in countless numbers!

FxMasterz:
Walking with God is a personal thing. Gatherings are just to help.for support and spiritual fellowshipping. It isn't a prerequisite for salvation.

Paul said you are wrong Sir! Hebrews 10:24-25

FxMasterz:
One man was serving God all alone in the scriptures. The disciples saw him and asked him to stop doing any work for God "Because he goeth not out with us" He didn't join the gathering of the disciples. Do you know what Jesus told them? He said "Leave him alone. He that is not against us is for us." Jesus said that lone preacher is for Him. Who are you to say he's not?

He was not serving God but preaching about Jesus something that has not yet been established that's why Jesus' disciples shot him up but Jesus made them realize that he should be viewed as one of them which means they should encourage him to join them not shot him up. That is what later happened to Apollo and the disciples brought him in to assist him! Act 18:24-26

So they were practicing a religion as they walk together in the faith as one group! John 17:22

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote any reference work in the history of mankind that says nobody can visit the person banished?

🙂

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There is no salvation without WORKS as Jesus assigned to his disciples {James 2:18-26} anyone who wants to be saved must join Jesus' disciples in doing that work. Luke 18:22

Why are you digressing? Stay on the lane! Your position was that one person serving God alone cannot be accepted without a gathering!

Funny thing is Jesus said to his disciples:
"You (millions of disciples) will be WITNESSES of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8
Ọmọ Jesus confirmed that his disciples will be everywhere on this planet even though they may be few in relation to the population of the earth! Matthew 24:14

Where exactly did Jesus say that no one would be accepted if he serves God alone? Apart from that lone preacher I referenced, remember the mad man of Gadara? Once he was healed, he wanted to join Jesus' disciples/gathering and follow Him everywhere. Remember what Jesus told him? He asked him to go back to his family and city, and proclaim what good things God has done for him. He was literally left to go serve God alone. The Bible says he went throughout all Decapolis proclaiming as commanded so much so that at a latter time when Jesus returned to that area, a massive crowd awaited Him. Did that man serve God alone? Yes! Did he have a gathering? No! Did Jesus accept him? Yes!

God is not glorified in the worship of just one person that's why angels assemble before him in countless numbers!

This is one of the doctrines of demons that the Bible warns us about. The Bible says that God gives every single child of God the Holy Spirit, and one of the major functions of the Holy Spirit is to Glorify God through us. The Holly Spirit does this in the life of every individual believer. We Glorify God through worship, service and by leaving a life of holiness and righteousness. By imitating Jesus through the help of the Holy Spirit.

Philip was a lone missionary who went on evangelism alone. He travelled to far lands and preached all alone. He worshiped alone. He prayed alone. He preached to the Samaritans alone. He preached to the Ethiopian Eunuch alone. He confronted Elymas the Sorcerer alone. He performed miracles among the Samaritans alone. He travelled everywhere alone with no gathering whatsoever. He went far away from the Jerusalem fellowship. There was no record that he joined any fellowship anywhere else. He actually went to.places where there were no believers.

God was not Glorified in him? God was not Glorified by his service? God was not Glorified by his worship? God was not Glorified by his prayers? Answer me!

Paul said you are wrong Sir! Hebrews 10:24-25

Paul never said you won't be accepted if you do not belong to a gathering. The purpose of gatherings is support, as iron sharpens iron. Simple.

Just show me a scripture that says, not belonging to a gathering gets you rejected by God. I'll be delighted to see it.

He was not serving God but preaching about Jesus something that has not yet been established that's why Jesus' disciples shot him up but Jesus made them realize that he should be viewed as one of them which means they should encourage him to join them not shot him up. That is what later happened to Apollo and the disciples brought him in to assist him! Act 18:24-26

So they were practicing a religion as they walk together in the faith as one group! John 17:22

Can you see your gymnastics? Your response shows you were taken aback by that reference, and had to concoct a lot of gibberish to defend your error.

1. You said he was preaching Jesus but not serving God. Now, I know that those JWs who carry bags about pretending to be preaching Jesus are actually not serving God.

Well, the Bible didn't tell us what he prescribed. The Bible says he was casting out demons in Jesus' name.

2. You said Jesus' statement meant he'll join them. Did Jesus say he should or would join His disciples as you claimed? Please show us where He said that. Jesus said THEY SHOULD LEAVE HIM ALONE.

FxMasterz:
🙂
Why are you digressing? Stay on the lane! Your position was that one person serving God alone cannot be accepted without a gathering! Where exactly did Jesus say that no one would be accepted if he serves God alone? Apart from that lone preacher I referenced, remember the mad man of Gadara? Once he was healed, he wanted to join Jesus' disciples/gathering and follow Him everywhere. Remember what Jesus told him? He asked him to go back to his family and city, and proclaim what good things God has done for him. He was literally left to go serve God alone. The Bible says he went throughout all Decapolis proclaiming as commanded so much so that at a latter time when Jesus returned to that area, a massive crowd awaited Him. Did that man serve God alone? Yes! Did he have a gathering? No! Did Jesus accept him? Yes!

You are mixing different things together but i will simplify it for the sake of others who are following this thread.
By the time Jesus was teaching his disciples there was no congregation for any new convert to join so if anyone becomes a believer in Jesus all what such a person could do is to tell others that he is the long awaited Christ the Jews has been expecting but after God's holy spirit has been used to anointed the group that will lead Jesus' disciples in the preaching and teaching work {Act 2:1-4} all Christians no matter where they are must be submissive to direction coming from the Apostles! Act 2:42 compare to Hebrews 13:7, 17

That is how they can be one not when each person decides to preach and teach whatever comes to his mind claiming it's from Jesus and that is why Paul emphasized on our gathering together as one religion! Hebrews 10:24-25

FxMasterz:
This is one of the doctrines of demons that the Bible warns us about. The Bible says that God gives every single child of God the Holy Spirit, and one of the major functions of the Holy Spirit is to Glorify God through us. The Holly Spirit does this in the life of every individual believer. We Glorify God through worship, service and by leaving a life of holiness and righteousness. By imitating Jesus through the help of the Holy Spirit.

God's holy spirit is not for confusion Sir that is what is happening among you people today as each person just wake up to start his own ministry independent of the body teaching whatever you like! 1Corinthans 14:33; 40

FxMasterz:
Philip was a lone missionary who went on evangelism alone. He travelled to far lands and preached all alone. He worshiped alone. He prayed alone. He preached to the Samaritans alone. He preached to the Ethiopian Eunuch alone. He confronted Elymas the Sorcerer alone. He performed miracles among the Samaritans alone. He travelled everywhere alone with no gathering whatsoever. He went far away from the Jerusalem fellowship. There was no record that he joined any fellowship anywhere else. He actually went to.places where there were no believers.

Wrong!
Philip was working with others disciples and he traveled with other disciples to places and his daughters were also disciples working with the group {Act 6:5 compare to 21:8-9} otherwise if he is alone how do you think the direction from the Apostles and Elders in Jerusalem will have influence on all Christians back then?🙂

FxMasterz:
God was not Glorified in him? God was not Glorified by his service? God was not Glorified by his worship? God was not Glorified by his prayers? Answer me!
Paul never said you won't be accepted if you do not belong to a gathering. The purpose of gatherings is support, as iron sharpens iron. Simple.

God is never glorified with a loner rather His name is glorified among multitude of praisers {Psalms 133:1-3} that is why we must remain in union as a congregation as Paul emphasized for our spiritual growth! Hebrews 10:24-25

FxMasterz:
Just show me a scripture that says, not belonging to a gathering gets you rejected by God. I'll be delighted to see it. Can you see your gymnastics? Your response shows you were taken aback by that reference, and had to concoct a lot of gibberish to defend your error.

Paul already said it at Hebrews 10:24-25 so it's left to you whether to believe the scriptures or continue judging others as if you are holler than them. For your information it's the holier than thou attitude that makes you think there is no need to associate with your fellow worshipers that is what Jesus never approved!

FxMasterz:
1. You said he was preaching Jesus but not serving God. Now, I know that those JWs who carry bags about pretending to be preaching Jesus are actually not serving God. Well, the Bible didn't tell us what he prescribed. The Bible says he was casting out demons in Jesus' name.
2. You said Jesus' statement meant he'll join them. Did Jesus say he should or would join His disciples as you claimed? Please show us where He said that. Jesus said THEY SHOULD LEAVE HIM ALONE.

These are two different cases, Jesus was just getting to be known as the promised Christ among his people that is why he insisted that the preaching of his disciples must first be restricted to the Jews {Matthew 10:6} but by the time his disciples have become numerous they must form a congregation so as to keep the same line of thought {John 17:22} if not there will be contradictions just as you people are doing today! 1Corinthans 14:33🙂

MaxInDHouse:
You are mixing different things together but i will simplify it for the sake of others who are following this thread.
By the time Jesus was teaching his disciples there was no congregation for any new convert to join so if anyone becomes a believer in Jesus all what such a person could do is to tell others that he is the long awaited Christ the Jews has been expecting but after God's holy spirit has been used to anointed the group that will lead Jesus' disciples in the preaching and teaching work {Act 2:1-4} all Christians no matter where they are must be submissive to direction coming from the Apostles! Act 2:42 compare to Hebrews 13:7, 17

My guy, Jesus already had a congregation numbering over 500 apart from the core 12. Why didn't Jesus force anyone to join His congregation? Why didn't He say everyone must join His congregation to be accepted? Why didn't He allow the mad man of Gadara join Hos congregation? Why didn't He ask the disciples to force the lone preacher I referenced to join His congregation? Do you mean that your own congregation is better than that of Jesus because the Holly Spirit is there? Are you saying Jesus didn't have the same Holy Spirit?

My guy, please stop your interpolations and give us concrete scripture references in which Jesus or anyone asked us to join a conversation as a prerequisite for being accepted by God.

That is how they can be one not when each person decides to preach and teach whatever comes to his mind claiming it's from Jesus and that is why Paul emphasized on our gathering together as one religion! Hebrews 10:24-25

The oneness of Christ's Body is premised on Christ Himself. Not doctrines. Christ indwelling all believers, and being Lord over all. If your Lord is different from my Lord, then you're not one with me. The unity of a building is premised on the foundation of that building. If all structures are built on that same foundation, the entire structure would be regarded as one building, no matter how demarcated. Different colours, partitions, varying heights, different roofing patterns, etc, do not in anyway make the building become different buildings. Jesus is our uniform and universal foundation. Our different doctrines don't separate us. It's either Jesus is your Lord or not. If He's not your Lord, then, you're not a Christian. Even if a 3 has many shaped branches, multicolored leafs of various sizes peculiar to each side of the tree, as long as everything stems from one root, it is still one tree. We all are one tree in Christ. Jesus is our Root and Foundation.

This is the Bible. Not gymnastics. Your mental gymnastics have no scriptural basis..

God's holy spirit is not for confusion Sir that is what is happening among you people today as each person just wake up to start his own ministry independent of the body teaching whatever you like! 1Corinthans 14:33; 40

When Paul and Barnabas separated, was it due to confusion? Did they become separate Bodies of Christ? Your answer should be NO, except you're a bad student of Scripture.

They're bound to be doctrinal differences and separations because God is limitless while humans are very limited. God reveals Himself progressively because finite humans cannot contain an infinite God. The moment a group of people want to limit God by their own limitations, He raises another set of people to receive the next progression of Devine revelations. Even Jesus told His disciples "There are many things I want to tell you, but you cannot receive them now." Even Paul told the Corinthians, "I have many things to share with you but I cannot, because being babes you still have need of milk and not strong meat." You see the progression from milk to meat to strong meat. When people get stagnated at milk and plateau at that point thinking the milk is all that God had, God would look for others to become the custodian of the meat stage. If those ones also plateau because of their human limitations, God would still pick some others for the string meat stage. That is how God has progressed the Church from the first disciples till today. The Church itself is a Just Man. And the wise man Solomon says "The path of the Just is as a shining light which shines MORE AND MORE UNTIL THE PERFECT DAY. The perfect day is still ahead, and the Church must keep shining brighter and brighter till that perfect day comes. Human limitations cannot stop the More and More or God.

Wrong!
Philip was working with others disciples and he traveled with other disciples to places and his daughters were also disciples working with the group {Act 6:5 compare to 21:8-9} otherwise if he is alone how do you think the direction from the Apostles and Elders in Jerusalem will have influence on all Christians back then?🙂

Why are you lying? You are referencing a point at which Philip was made a deacon, and another point in time at which he was visited by some believers. How do this establish that he didn't travel alone?

1. Tell me who went with him to Samaria before the Apostles Peter and Join came to baptise the people in the Holy Spirit?

2. Who was with Philip when he was ministering to the Ethiopian Eunuch?

3. When he was caught up by the Holy Spirit and was found in Azotus, who was in his company?

Just list the people found with Philip. No mental gymnastics.

God is never glorified with a loner rather His name is glorified among multitude of praisers {Psalms 133:1-3} that is why we must remain in union as a congregation as Paul emphasized for our spiritual growth! Hebrews 10:24-25

You're even quoting David who was known to praise God alone. He wrote many of his Psalms in his closet. God is Glorified in His individual Child. God was Glorified in Jesus individually. Jesus often prayed alone, and God was Glorified in His prayers.

This your doctrine stems from demons. God said to Jacob "You are my servant (not servants) Jacob in whom I will be Glorified." Isaiah 49:3. Yet you are telling us that God is not Glorified in one servant?

Elijah served God alone. There was no one known with him. Yet, God was Glorified in Him. He belonged to no congregation. Jesus didn't force anyone to join any congregation. The Apostles didn't force anyone to join any congregation. Who are you to force anyone to join your congregation? The scriptures never said, nor inferred that only a Congregation can make anyone accepted by God.

Paul already said it at Hebrews 10:24-25 so it's left to you whether to believe the scriptures or continue judging others as if you are holler than them. For your information it's the holier than thou attitude that makes you think there is no need to associate with your fellow worshipers that is what Jesus never approved!

Can you point me to where I said there's no need to belong to a gathering? My position is that it is not a prerequisite for being accepted by God. Infact, God has the attitude of acknowledging single individuals from NG many fake members of a congregation.


These are two different cases, Jesus was just getting to be known as the promised Christ among his people that is why he insisted that the preaching of his disciples must first be restricted to the Jews {Matthew 10:6} but by the time his disciples have become numerous they must form a congregation so as to keep the same line of thought {John 17:22} if not there will be contradictions just as you people are doing today! 1Corinthans 14:33🙂[/quote]My guy, you are yourselves one of the many contradictions. With a lot of your contradictions already littering this forum. You are just one of them. Calling yourselves a separate religion does not make any difference. Each denomination of believers could also call themselves separate religions as you have done. It still.does not erase the fact that there are opposing views to certain aspects of scripture. There are genuine revelations that have birthed new dispensations and denominations, and there are satanic infiltrations as well. In every congregation, the Church of God is build bearing the seal that "God knows those that are His, and let ANYONE THAT IDENTIFIES WITH THE NAME OF CHRIST DEPART FROM INIQUITY.'

Anyone who professes Jesus, and has been washed by the Blood of the Lamb, and a has departed from iniquity, is accepted by God.

Acts 10:34-35 says "God does not show favoritism, and in every nation, whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."

God accepts the 'Whosoever' that fulfils the above criteria. Joining a gathering is not part of the criteria.

FxMasterz:
Why didn't Jesus force anyone to join His congregation?

That is what holy spirit will teach them {John 16:12-13} and it helped them as they formed a congregation under the leadership of the Apostles! Act 2:42

FxMasterz:
The oneness of Christ's Body is premised on Christ Himself.

Of course it is directed to all his followers for them to have the same line of thought {1Corinthans 1:10} so they must all be under the guidance of one group: Apostles and Elders in Jerusalem! Act 15:1-2

FxMasterz:
When Paul and Barnabas separated, was it due to confusion?

They quarreled over Mark not teaching. Act 15:37-39

FxMasterz:
They're bound to be doctrinal differences.

Satan promotes such politically but Jesus prayed for oneness among them {John 17:22} so do you think Jesus' prayer wasn't granted?🤔

FxMasterz:
Why are you lying? You are referencing a point at which Philip was made a deacon, and another point in time at which he was visited by some believers. How do this establish that he didn't travel alone?

If there is lone ministry how can they have the same belief as Christians? 1Corinthans 1:10🙂

FxMasterz:
1. Tell me who went with him to Samaria before the Apostles Peter and Join came to baptise the people in the Holy Spirit?

Quote where the scriptures say he went alone.

FxMasterz:
2. Who was with Philip when he was ministering to the Ethiopian Eunuch?

I can teach someone who is reading the Bible alone that doesn't mean i don't belong to a congregation of believers where i will direct the person for further teaching. Matthew 28:20

FxMasterz:
3. When he was caught up by the Holy Spirit and was found in Azotus, who was in his company?

Christians are to work according to the direction Jesus gave them which is they must go out in pairs {Luke 10:1} so he can't be there alone without other disciples to work in the ministry.

FxMasterz:
You're even quoting David who was known to praise God alone. He wrote many of his Psalms in his closet. God is Glorified in His individual Child. God was Glorified in Jesus individually. Jesus often prayed alone, and God was Glorified in His prayers.

This your doctrine stems from demons. God said to Jacob "You are my servant (not servants) Jacob in whom I will be Glorified." Isaiah 49:3. Yet you are telling us that God is not Glorified in one servant?

Elijah served God alone. There was no one known with him. Yet, God was Glorified in Him. He belonged to no congregation. Jesus didn't force anyone to join any congregation. The Apostles didn't force anyone to join any congregation. Who are you to force anyone to join your congregation? The scriptures never said, nor inferred that only a Congregation can make anyone accepted by God.

David always join other worshipers in the temple and Elijah kept telling his own people Samaritans that they must join other worshipers in Jerusalem for their worship to be acceptable.

FxMasterz:
Can you point me to where I said there's no need to belong to a gathering? My position is that it is not a prerequisite for being accepted by God. Infact, God has the attitude of acknowledging single individuals from NG many fake members of a congregation.

It's a must because each person we preach to needs to be baptized in the for others to accept him or her as one of us!

FxMasterz:
My guy, you are yourselves one of the many contradictions.

Obviously we are not worshiping the same God with you people so there is no contradiction it's when i accept you as my fellow believer yet our beliefs differs that's what is called CONTRADICTIONS!

FxMasterz:
Anyone who professes Jesus, and has been washed by the Blood of the Lamb, and a has departed from iniquity, is accepted by God.

Acts 10:34-35 says "God does not show favoritism, and in every nation, whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."

God accepts the 'Whosoever' that fulfils the above criteria. Joining a gathering is not part of the criteria.

So if you believe that why aren't you worshiping with any visible congregation?🙂

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FxMasterz:
You don't need to drop me any video. I don't even go by popular opinion. I go by what the Bible says.

Cyrus was a pagan king Whom God used to fulfil His purpose for the world at the time. He didn't serve the God of Israel. He served his own gods.

Infact, tradition has it that Cyrus was awed when he was shown the prophecy of Isaiah that was made about him, even calling him by name about 74yrs before he was born.

lol, very funny, so funny I forgot to laugh.

in The Cyrus cylinder seal at the British museum, The God who took him by the had and asked him to free the captives was Marduk. cyrus God is Marduk. in the Bible books of Ezra and Isaiah,(all information written after the facts) it says it was Hashem who called Cyrus to free them. By way of simple deduction Marduk is same as Hashem(the Jewish God)....it looks like you love the Jewish propaganda.

sonmvayina:
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lol, very funny, so funny I forgot to laugh.

in The Cyrus cylinder seal at the British museum, The God who took him by the had and asked him to free the captives was Marduk. cyrus God is Marduk. in the Bible books of Ezra and Isaiah,(all information written after the facts) it says it was Hashem who called Cyrus to free them. By way of simple deduction Marduk is same as Hashem(the Jewish God)....it looks like you love the Jewish propaganda.

Cyrus was bound to thimk.it was Marduk because he did not know Has hen. But the Jews know it was Hashem because only Hashem spoke of Cyrus ever before He was born. The Medes and Persians know not Hashem. The Jews would never have known Marduk is they had no captivity. Marduk has an image they worship. Hashem has none.

You should ould have done well by referring the museum source for verification.

MaxInDHouse:
You are mixing different things together but i will simplify it for the sake of others who are following this thread.
By the time Jesus was teaching his disciples there was no congregation for any new convert to join so if anyone becomes a believer in Jesus all what such a person could do is to tell others that he is the long awaited Christ the Jews has been expecting but after God's holy spirit has been used to anointed the group that will lead Jesus' disciples in the preaching and teaching work {Act 2:1-4} all Christians no matter where they are must be submissive to direction coming from the Apostles! Act 2:42 compare to Hebrews 13:7, 17

That is how they can be one not when each person decides to preach and teach whatever comes to his mind claiming it's from Jesus and that is why Paul emphasized on our gathering together as one religion! Hebrews 10:24-25


God's holy spirit is not for confusion Sir that is what is happening among you people today as each person just wake up to start his own ministry independent of the body teaching whatever you like! 1Corinthans 14:33; 40


Wrong!
Philip was working with others disciples and he traveled with other disciples to places and his daughters were also disciples working with the group {Act 6:5 compare to 21:8-9} otherwise if he is alone how do you think the direction from the Apostles and Elders in Jerusalem will have influence on all Christians back then?🙂


God is never glorified with a loner rather His name is glorified among multitude of praisers {Psalms 133:1-3} that is why we must remain in union as a congregation as Paul emphasized for our spiritual growth! Hebrews 10:24-25


Paul already said it at Hebrews 10:24-25 so it's left to you whether to believe the scriptures or continue judging others as if you are holler than them. For your information it's the holier than thou attitude that makes you think there is no need to associate with your fellow worshipers that is what Jesus never approved!


These are two different cases, Jesus was just getting to be known as the promised Christ among his people that is why he insisted that the preaching of his disciples must first be restricted to the Jews {Matthew 10:6} but by the time his disciples have become numerous they must form a congregation so as to keep the same line of thought {John 17:22} if not there will be contradictions just as you people are doing today! 1Corinthans 14:33🙂

My guy, let's leave all fluffs and face the real thing. This is the Word of God:

Acts 10:34-35 "God does not show favoritism, and in every nation, whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."

God accepts whoever fears Him and does righteous. He doesn't have to be part of a gathering. Being part of a gathering is good. It brings support and extra nourishments for the soul, but it's not a prerequisite for being accepted of God. You lied.

Those fearing God and working with Him for righteousness always gather for worship {Psalms 133:1-3} so whoever refuses to join that assembly will not be saved! Hebrews 10:24-29

Why?

Jesus was a judaist before Christianity was established through his ministry but until Christianity was established Jesus continues to assemble with worshipers of God even though he knew the Jews were seeking ways to kill him but when God is about to condemn the nation of Israel and it's temple Jesus declared that it's no longer about a geographic location but anywhere Christians gather for worship. John 4:22-24

So if Jesus always gather with his fellow worshipers whoever refuses to do the same is not a Christian!🙂

FxMasterz:
My guy, let's leave all fluffs and face the real thing. This is the Word of God:

Acts 10:34-35 "God does not show favoritism, and in every nation, whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."

God accepts whoever fears Him and does righteous. He doesn't have to be part of a gathering. Being part of a gathering is good. It brings support and extra nourishments for the soul, but it's not a prerequisite for being accepted of God. You lied.

MaxInDHouse:
Those fearing God and working with Him for righteousness always gather for worship {Psalms 133:1-3} so whoever refuses to join that assembly will not be saved! Hebrews 10:24-29

Why?

Jesus was a judaist before Christianity was established through his ministry but until Christianity was established Jesus continues to assemble with worshipers of God even though he knew the Jews were seeking ways to kill him but when God is about to condemn the nation of Israel and it's temple Jesus declared that it's no longer about a geographic location but anywhere Christians gather for worship. John 4:22-24

So if Jesus always gather with his fellow worshipers whoever refuses to do the same is not a Christian!🙂

All these ramblings are unnecessary.

This is what the Word of God says:

Acts 10:34-35 "God does not show favoritism, and in every nation, whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."

God accepts whoever fears Him and does righteousness. He doesn't have to be part of a gathering.

FxMasterz:
All these ramblings are unnecessary.
This is what the Word of God says:
Acts 10:34-35 "God does not show favoritism, and in every nation, whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."
God accepts whoever fears Him and does righteousness. He doesn't have to be part of a gathering.

Now it's clear that you are a worker of Iniquity. On the other thread you talked about paying of tithe which can only work when worshipers gather and they'll use the funds for the upkeep of priests, singers, instrumentalists, widows and orphans but if someone refuses to assemble with that gathering how will he be of assistance or benefit from the arrangement?
Ọmọ whoever refuses to gather with all other worshipers of the same God isn't a Christian o!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Now it's clear that you are a worker of Iniquity. On the other thread you talked about paying of tithe which can only work when worshipers gather and they'll use the funds for the upkeep of priests, singers, instrumentalists, widows and orphans but if someone refuses to assemble with that gathering how will he be of assistance or benefit from the arrangement?
Ọmọ whoever refuses to gather with all other worshipers of the same God isn't a Christian o!🙂

My friend, I never said no one should join a gathering. Did I?

I said joining a gathering is not a requirement for being accepted by God as you claimed.

These are the only requirements for being accepted by God:

Acts 10:34-35 "God does not show favoritism, and in every nation, whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."

Any other requirements added to the above is a doctrine from demons.

FxMasterz:
My friend, I never said no one should join a gathering. Did I?

I said joining a gathering is not a requirement for being accepted by God as you claimed.

These are the only requirements for being accepted by God:

Acts 10:34-35 "God does not show favoritism, and in every nation, whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."

Any other requirements added to the above is a doctrine from demons.

What does it mean to "fear God" and "work righteousness"?