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Lukuluku69:
This is not Christianity Padre, the League of Imams are not political Leaders but spiritual ones.

Muslims in Yoruba Land are well aware of the arrangement and they are not complaining (at least a larger percentage are not complaining)

As a matter of fact, it is non of your business who the Muslims in the South dithers to.

Go face your Church business.

Senior Advocate of the Yoruba Muslims (SATM)

Abeg rest...

Leadership of Islam can take any form. The league of Imams is enough. The Sultan is a traditional ruler with territory that does not extend into Yoruba land. He is also Fulani and the Fulani are the owner of the Lakurawa Islamic terrorists terrorizing Nigeria. The leadership of Islam is a security issue and apart from that, the Yoruba have more Muslims and more scholars and clerics than the Fulani and it will be totally wrong for them to surrender leadership to any group

lawani:
Leadership of Islam can take any form. The league of Imams is enough. The Sultan is a traditional ruler with territory that does not extend into Yoruba land. He is also Fulani and the Fulani are the owner of the Lakurawa Islamic terrorists terrorizing Nigeria. The leadership of Islam is a security issue and apart from that, the Yoruba have more Muslims and more scholars and clerics than the Fulani and it will be totally wrong for the to surrender leadership to any group

Ok and thank for your observations.

You can now return to your Ijo Orunmila thing and continue to solve your followers issues.

😃 😊 😀 😄

Lukuluku69:
Thank you for this. (For those who want to troll)

I have always known that the Secretary General position is always reserved for the Southern Muslims( the Yorubas being the largest of this group in Nigeria)

Thank you once again.

I am Yoruba and a Muslim, I subscribed to the Sultan being the Leader of the Faithfuls than any Yoruba Oba when the matter being discussed is Islam.

As a Yoruba man that you emphasize that you are, you have to detach yourself from this Fula hegemony. I will explain why below.

The Fulas are a minority in Africa of about 20 million (with Yorubas being over 80 million approx) and haven't lived up to the expectations because they have relentlessly overlooked the pains other ethnic groups went after being killed for decades by foreign Fula militia bandits with this same Sultan of Sakwato (Sokoto) being one of the grand patrons of the insidious Miyetti Allah. NO disrespect to your current faith as a member of the Muslim Ummah. The Hausas are already pulling themselves off the Fula yoke on their Hausa ancestral homelands as can be seen in several videos online.

Second, during the Fula jihad of 1803 onwards, I'm aware from reading archival historical materials that the Fulas captured people who were already Muslims in Kanuri and Hausaland and sold them into slavery across the Sahara desert and the Atlantic Ocean. Many Kanuris such as Ali Eisami were captured and sold off which is anti-Islamic because Muslims are NOT allowed to enslave their fellow Muslims.

Ali Eisami told a German linguist (Koehler) in Sierra Leone (the same way Ajayi Crowther was rescued from that Portuguese slave ship in the early 1800s) in the 1800s after he and others were rescued by the British Navy Patrol Squadrons sailing off the West African coast, that it was Fulas who captured him in Kanuriland and sold him and other Kanuris into slavery.

AlphaTaikun:
As a Yoruba man that you emphasize that you are, you have to detach yourself from this Fula hegemony. I will explain why below.

The Fulas are a minority in Africa of about 20 million (with Yorubas being over 80 million approx) and haven't lived up to the expectations because they have relentlessly overlooked the pains other ethnic groups went after being killed for decades by foreign Fula militia bandits with this same Sultan of Sakwato (Sokoto) being one of the grand patrons of the insidious Miyetti Allah. NO disrespect to your current faith as a member of the Muslim Ummah. The Hausas are already pulling themselves off the Fula yoke on their Hausa ancestral homelands as can be seen in several videos online.

Second, during the Fula jihad of 1803 onwards, I'm aware from reading archival historical materials that the Fulas captured people who were already Muslims in Kanuri and Hausaland and sold them into slavery across the Sahara desert and the Atlantic Ocean. Many Kanuris such as Ali Eisami were captured and sold off which is anti-Islamic because Muslims are NOT allowed to enslave their fellow Muslims.

Ali Eisami told a German linguist (Koehler) in Sierra Leone (the same way Ajayi Crowther was rescued from that Portuguese slave ship in the early 1800s) in the 1800s after he and others were rescued by the British Navy Patrol Squadrons sailing off the West African coast, that it was Fulas who captured him in Kanuriland and sold him and other Kanuris into slavery.

I am well aware of my history and their history. The issues here are many and I can confidently tell you that all of us have that stain in our past.

That the Uthman Dan Fodio puritan Jihad took no prisoners in their march is well known to.me for I have read myriad of accounts detailing such.

That of course are the way of Puritans. They see others as sub humans in their holier than thou pedestal.

That said, this same can be said for every other Puritans that have ever waged a war or spearhead a revolution. That I am aware of.

I have read how the British sold Irish men into slavery, deliberately stood by and watch them starve to death! Thousands died while plenty were seen on the street of London.

I am also aware that some Yoruba Muslims are against the Sultan seemingly hegemony on every other Muslims in the Nigerian Space. That I am aware of but sir do you know why I don't tale them serious? Every Region are ably represented in the Moon Sighting Committee and aside the usual tough one of the Ramadan Crescent, that same Committee have been in charge of the sighting of the other Eleven Lunar months and you never hear any objections from anyone. So, why only this particular one?

There are two things here basically, Islam says in any entity, you must have a Leader even if you are just TWO in number, appoint a Leader! Says Islam.

Who amongst the Yoruba Obas can be solely trust to be A Leader in the Nigerian space for the Yoruba? We have been told they are Custodians of the Yoruba People Heritage which I know is bot Islamic. So, how can they lead?

I don't actually see anything wrong with the proclamations of the Sultan for the commencement of Ramadan when a National moon sighting Committee comprising every Muslims in Nigeria.

Lukuluku69:
I am well aware of my history and their history. The issues here are many and I can confidently tell you that all of us have that stain in our past.

That the Uthman Dan Fodio puritan Jihad took no prisoners in their march is well known to.me for I have read myriad of accounts detailing such.

That of course are the way of Puritans. They see others as sub humans in their holier than thou pedestal.

That said, this same can be said for every other Puritans that have ever waged a war or spearhead a revolution. That I am aware of.

I have read how the British sold Irish men into slavery, deliberately stood by and watch them starve to death! Thousands died why plenty were seen on the street of London.

I am also aware that some Yoruba Muslims are against the Sultan seemingly hegemony on every other Muslims in the Nigerian Space. That I am aware of but sir do you know why I don't tale them serious? Every Region are ably represented in the Moon Sighting Committee and aside the usual tough one of the Ramadan Crescent, that same Committee have been in charge of the sighting of the other Eleven Lunar months and you never hear any objections from anyone. So, why only this particular one?

There are two things here basically, Islam says in any entity, you must have a Leader even if you are just TWO in number, appoint a Leader! Says Islam.

Who amongst the Yoruba Obas can be solely trust to be A Leader in the Nigerian space for the Yoruba? We have been told they are Custodians of the Yoruba People Heritage which I know is bot Islamic. So, how can they lead?

I don't actually see anything wrong with the proclamations of the Sultan for the commencement of Ramadan when a National moon sighting Committee comprising every Muslims in Nigeria.

You've added extra layers of information to your post and I get a hang of more of your engaging perspectives here which I read 3 times. I'm not a Muslim but I have family members who are and I've read books on comparative religion starting from decades back in order to learn to understand and appreciate different world faiths.

"However, do Yoruba Muslim folks require a leader among the Yoruba Obas? I don't think so since Obaship is LARGELY not an Islamic royal title. Only the Oluwo of Iwo in Osun State and the Olu of Epe representing the Eko Epe folks of Epe in Lagos State are turbaned NOT coronated Islamically during installation as Kings in the entire Yorubaland.

Why NOT choose a LEADER among your capable Islamic clerics from Yorubaland which stretches from Nigeria right into Benin and Togo. Yorubas MUST never be subservient to NOBODY. That's why the see-finish comes in and foreign Fula bandits eliminate folks of different ethnic groups in Nigeria (including the indigenous Hausas who own the land). The title Sultan or Amir (Emir) are more of religious titles and so, a respected Islamic cleric can become the LEADER since Yorubas have the second largest Muslim population in Nigeria after Hausaland. The Kanuris come third in population as Muslims.

I'm saying this in case of for the scenario when Yorubaland and the rest of Nigeria will NO more be together as one country just like the former USSR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, North and South Sudan, etc, went there own ways. Will the Yoruba Ummah continue to look up to the minority Fula guy in Hausaland (Sokoto) who calls himself a Sultan despite the fact that Islam has been in Yorubaland for over 500 years long before Usman Danfodio's great-grandfather was even born? Strategic or long-term thinking is key when one understands the intrigues in global geopolitical dynamics. Those are just my brutally honest thoughts in these changing times we are in.


I wish you a Happy Ramadan.

AlphaTaikun:
[b]You've added extra layers of information to your post and I get a hang of more of your engaging perspectives which I read 3 times. I'm not a Muslim but I have family members who are and I've read books on comparative religion starting from decades back in order to learn to understand and appreciate different world faiths.

"However, do Yoruba Muslim folks require a leader among the Yoruba Obas? I don't think so since Obaship is LARGELY not an Islamic royal title. Only the Oluwo of Iwo in Osun State and the Olu of Epe representing the Eko Epe folks of Epe in Lagos State are turbaned NOT coronated Islamically during installation as Kings in the entire Yorubaland.

Why NOT choose a LEADER among your capable Islamic clerics from Yorubaland which stretches from Nigeria right into Benin and Togo. Yorubas MUST never be subservient to NOBODY. That's why the see-finish comes in and foreign Fula bandits eliminate folks of different ethnic groups in Nigeria (including the indigenous Hausas who own the land).[/b] The title Sultan or Amir (Emir) are more of religious titles and so, a respected Islamic cleric can become the LEADER since Yorubas have the second largest Muslim population in Nigeria after Hausaland. The Kanuris come third in population as Muslims.

I'm saying this in case of for the scenario when Yorubaland and the rest of Nigeria will NO more be together as one country just like the former USSR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, North and South Sudan, etc, went there own ways. Will the Yoruba Ummah continue to look up to the minority Fula guy in Hausaland (Sokoto) who calls himself a Sultan despite the fact that Islam has been in Yorubaland for over 500 years long before Usman Danfodio's great-grandfather was even born? Strategic or long-term thinking is key when one understands the intrigues in global geopolitical dynamics. Those are just my brutally honest thoughts in these changing times we are in.


I wish you a Happy Ramadan.

Sir, Sultan simply means the Sovereign and Emir is derived from the Arabic word Amir, which simply means Leader. Also clipped from the Title of the Four Rightly Guided Khalifa "Amir Al-Muimeen (Leader of the Faithfuls.

Dithering to the Sultan when it comes to Political Islam is actually Islamic in the context of the Nigerian Space. Remember, I told you that Islam says that even when you are just TWO in a Space, appoint a Leader. In the Nigerian Space, the Sultan is the only Sovereign that fits to be properly addressed as such. That doesn't mean the Yorubas are under him or tale authority from him. His proclamations, as regards the commencement of Ramadan, are only for unity and synergy. Nothing more, as a matter of fact, if he erred in that, he will answer for it before God!.

Now coming back to the supposition that Nigeria can break, and what becomes of the Yoruba Muslims in terms of Leadership, well I can tell you that, what you will have is a void and that can be filled by the Scholars but not a single individual as in the case of the Sultan.

Recently, the Oba at Iwo was of the opinion that he can assume the title of Sultan of Yoruba Land (or something in that line) what now happens when he passes and a Christian becomes the Oba at Iwo? Would he still be a Muslim Leader?

And let me quickly correct a notion, sir. Islam has been in the North way before it got down south because those who spread it actually passed thru the Sahel en route to South West Nigeria. Uthman Fodio jihad only made it a State Religion, something no Cleric/Dervish ever attempted in the South West.

I understand people's angst against some Fula elements in Nigeria. I feel their hagemony in the Nigera Space is nauseating to say the least that happens because the British lump us all together. They fused at least 4-5 Nations into one and I can tell you that what we accuse the Fulanis of, the other major tribes in Nigeria would do same if they have the power to do so.

This is Islam, my prayers, my fast, my Zakats etc is for God and not for any Sultan or Alfa. His Leadership is just symbolic.

And many thanks on the good wish Sir!

Lukuluku69:
Sir, Sultan simply means the Sovereign and Emir is derived from the Arabic word Amir, which simply means Leader. Also clipped from the Title of the Four Rightly Guided Khalifa "Amir Al-Muimeen (Leader of the Faithfuls.

Dithering to the Sultan when it comes to Political Islam is actually Islamic in the context of the Nigerian Space. Remember, I told you that Islam says that even when you are just TWO in a Space, appoint a Leader. In the Nigerian Space, the Sultan is the only Sovereign that fits to be properly addressed as such. That doesn't mean the Yorubas are under him or tale authority from him. His proclamations, as regards the commencement of Ramadan, are only for unity and synergy. Nothing more, as a matter of fact, if he erred in that, he will answer for it before God!.

Now coming back to the supposition that Nigeria can break, and what becomes of the Yoruba Muslims in terms of Leadership, well I can tell you that, what you will have is a void and that can be filled by the Scholars but not a single individual as in the case of the Sultan.

Recently, the Oba at Iwo was of the opinion that he can assume the title of Sultan of Yoruba Land (or something in that line) what now happens when he passes and a Christian becomes the Oba at Iwo? Would he still be a Muslim Leader?

And let me quickly correct a notion, sir. Islam has been in the North way before it got down south because those who spread it actually passed thru the Sahel en route to South West Nigeria. Uthman Fodio jihad only made it a State Religion, something no Cleric/Dervish ever attempted in the South West.

I understand people's angst against some Fula elements in Nigeria. I feel their hagemony in the Nigera Space is nauseating to say the least that happens because the British lump us all together. They fused at least 4-5 Nations into one and I can tell you that what we accuse the Fulanis of, the other major tribes in Nigeria would do same if they have the power to do so.

This is Islam, my prayers, my fast, my Zakats etc is for God and not for any Sultan or Alfa. His Leadership is just symbolic.

And many thanks on the good wish Sir!

Nothing can be in Hausa or Kanuri land for twenty years without being known in Yoruba land because they traded together. Therefore islam has been known in Yoruba land for more than five centuries. The oriki of Sango mentioned him as having studied the Quran. The Fulani learnt Islam from settled people ie from Hausa, Yoruba and Kanuri. A few centuries ago, the Fulani were not settled people and until today not all nomadic Fulani are Muslims. Yes islam came from the North but not from the Fulani. The Yoruba ancestors should be commended for holding out against Islam from becoming majority for so long despite having huge cities where people are susceptible to brainwashing

lawani:
Nothing can be in Hausa or Kanuri land for twenty years without being known in Yoruba land because they traded together. Therefore islam has been known in Yoruba land for more than five centuries. The oriki of Sango mentioned him as having studied the Quran. The Fulani learnt Islam from settled people ie from Hausa, Yoruba and Kanuri. A few centuries ago, the Fulani were not settled people and until today not all nomadic Fulani are Muslims. Yes islam came from the North but not from the Fulani. The Yoruba ancestors should be commended for holding out against Islam from becoming majority for so long despite having huge cities where people are susceptible to brainwashing

Where did you read that I said Islam came from the Fulanis?

Ijo Orunmila devotee, common sense should dictate to you and the basic of geography that the itinerary scholars and dervish who travelled from the early Empires that adopted islam as well as traders would have passed through the North Enroute the South West.

I know your fixation with the Fula people, that I can understand but this Revisionist tendencies of yours won't pass.

In the Sahel and Sub-Saharan Africa, people likely to have come into contact with Islam are traders, travelers, and scholars along historic trans-Saharan trade routes 🌊. Specifically:

- Hausa people (Niger, Nigeria, Chad)
- Fulani people (West Africa, esp. Guinea, Mali, Cameroon)
- Tuareg people (Mali, Niger, Algeria)
- Kanuri people (Niger, Chad, Nigeria)

These groups often interacted with Muslim traders and scholars from North Africa and the Middle East.


Islam spread in the Sahel through trade and cultural exchange 🌊. The trans-Saharan trade routes played a big role, with Muslim traders sharing Islamic teachings. Empires like the Ghana Empire (9th-13th century), Mali Empire (13th-16th century), and Songhai Empire (15th-16th century) adopted Islam, influencing many groups.

Key factors in Islam's spread:
- Trade networks
- Scholarly centers like Timbuktu
- Rulers adopting Islam

The Hausa, Fulani, Tuareg, and Kanuri peoples were among those influenced.

If Sango studied Quran as you have been brainwashed at your various Ijo Orunmila covens, and if indeed Sango Olukoso studied the Quran, does that not tell you that Sango Olukoso is relatively of younger Creed and Movement?

For Context, this is the year 1447-1448 of the Hijr Calendar, does that mean your Sango much later for him to have studied the Quran? And if I may ask, he was his Teacher or that he spoke Arabic or learn it?

Lukuluku69:
Where did you read that I said Islam came from the Fulanis?

Ijo Orunmila devotee, common sense should dictate to you and the basic of geography that the itinerary scholars and dervish who travelled from the early Empires that adopted islam as well as traders would have passed through the North Enroute the South West.

I know your fixation with the Fula people, that I can understand but this Revisionist tendencies of yours won't pass.

In the Sahel and Sub-Saharan Africa, people likely to have come into contact with Islam are traders, travelers, and scholars along historic trans-Saharan trade routes 🌊. Specifically:

- Hausa people (Niger, Nigeria, Chad)
- Fulani people (West Africa, esp. Guinea, Mali, Cameroon)
- Tuareg people (Mali, Niger, Algeria)
- Kanuri people (Niger, Chad, Nigeria)

These groups often interacted with Muslim traders and scholars from North Africa and the Middle East.


Islam spread in the Sahel through trade and cultural exchange 🌊. The trans-Saharan trade routes played a big role, with Muslim traders sharing Islamic teachings. Empires like the Ghana Empire (9th-13th century), Mali Empire (13th-16th century), and Songhai Empire (15th-16th century) adopted Islam, influencing many groups.

Key factors in Islam's spread:
- Trade networks
- Scholarly centers like Timbuktu
- Rulers adopting Islam

The Hausa, Fulani, Tuareg, and Kanuri peoples were among those influenced.

If Sango studied Quran as you have been brainwashed at your various Ijo Orunmila covens, and if indeed Sango Olukoso studied the Quran, does that not tell you that Sango Olukoso is relatively of younger Creed and Movement?

For Context, this is the year 1447-1448 of the Hijr Calendar, does that mean your Sango much later for him to have studied the Quran? And if I may ask, he was his Teacher or that he spoke Arabic or learn it?

You are just going around in circles. Fact is the Yoruba had Islam before the Fulani who were not a settled people until recently. How will nomads accept Islam when they are in the bush with their cattle? There was no time that there were Muslim traders in Hausa or Kanuri cities that they would not have been in Yoruba cities which were bigger. It is like saying Lagos got something from the North later than Ibadan just because Ibadan is North of Lagos.

Sango lived maybe five hundred years ago. If I believe my own oriki as a Yoruba then I believe Sango's oriki that says he studied the Quran

lawani:
You are just going around in circles. Fact is the Yoruba had Islam before the Fulani who were not a settled people until recently. How will nomads accept Islam when they are in the bush with their cattle? There was no time that there were Muslim traders in Hausa or Kanuri cities that they would not have been in Yoruba cities which were bigger. It is like saying Lagos got something from the North later than Ibadan just because Ibadan is North of Lagos.

Sango lived maybe five hundred years ago. If I believe my own oriki as a Yoruba then I believe Sango's oriki that says he studied the Quran

Lol

Some one travelling on foot, perhaps on donkeys or horses from let say Timbuktu will get to Iwo before Kanuri cities 🤔.

Orunmila man no use this same thinking cross road o.

I am not a Fulani man but I do know that they are spread all over West Africa. As most of you been taught that Uthman Dan Fodio came from Futa Jalon. So, why he was doing his Jihad and takin over Hausa Habe Kingdoms, was he doing it with his herds of cattle or he left them in the Bush? Lol

Keep up with your hatred for them, actually some of them deserves it but don't come on the a Public Forum to embarrass yourself with this ethnic tinted Revisionist Agenda.

Islam has been in the present day Northern Nigeria before it got to the Yorubas, it was only the Fulani Puritan Jihadists that made it a State Religion in Uthman Dan Fodio. The South West Nigeria was spared because they never had such a Zealots amongst the locals that embraced the faith.

If your Sango studied the Quran, it means he was relatively new and good for him though

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Some one travelling on foot, perhaps on donkeys or horses from let say Timbuktu will get to Iwo before Kanuri cities 🤔.

Orunmila man no use this same thinking cross road o.

I am not a Fulani man but I do know that they are spread all over West Africa. As most of you been taught that Uthman Dan Fodio came from Futa Jalon. So, why he was doing his Jihad and takin over Hausa Habe Kingdoms, was he doing it with his herds of cattle or he left them in the Bush? Lol

Keep up with your hatred for them, actually some of them deserves it but don't come on the a Public Forum to embarrass yourself with this ethnic tinted Revisionist Agenda.

Islam has been in the present day Northern Nigeria before it got to the Yorubas, it was only the Fulani Puritan Jihadists that made it a State Religion in Uthman Dan Fodio. The South West Nigeria was spared because they never had such a Zealots amongst the locals that embraced the faith.

If your Sango studied the Quran, it means he was relatively new and good for him though

So if I say Fulani should not be the only people to lead islam in Nigeria that is hatred for Fulani and not a call for equity in your opinion? If I say Yoruba Muslims also can lead Nigerian Muslims it amounts to hatred for Fulani?. Then what about your own hate for your own people or maybe inferiority complex? It is excusable? I don't hate Fulani and never will. I want Islam and Christianity to be banned from the public but before they are banned I will be against restricting the leadership of Islam in Nigeria to only Fulani.

Uthman Dan Fodio was a town Fulani and town Fulanis had not always existed. Fulani did not have a sedentary culture of their own. They learnt Islam and sedentary lifestyle from cultures that own cities. Originally when Hausa royalty and masses were accepting Islam, where would the Fulani be?

You seem not to understand that something like Islam can not exist in Kanem Borno or Hausa land for up to ten years without being known in Yoruba land simply because they traded with each other and lived among each other. Something can not even exist in North Africa for that long without being known in Nigeria but among people who have cities, long distance traders and etc

lawani:
So if I say Fulani should not be the only people to lead islam in Nigeria that is hatred for Fulani and not a call for equity in your opinion? If I say Yoruba Muslims also can lead Nigerian Muslims it amounts to hatred for Fulani?. Then what about your own hate for your own people or maybe inferiority complex? It is excusable? I don't hate Fulani and never will. I want Islam and Christianity to be banned from the public but before they are banned I will be against restricting the leadership of Islam in Nigeria to only Fulani.

Uthman Dan Fodio was a town Fulani and town Fulanis had not always existed. Fulani did not have a sedentary culture of their own. They learnt Islam and sedentary lifestyle from cultures that own cities. Originally when Hausa royalty and masses were accepting Islam, where would the Fulani be?

You seem not to understand that something like Islam can not exist in Kanem Borno or Hausa land for up to ten years without being known in Yoruba land simply because they traded with each other and lived among each other. Something can not even exist in North Africa for that long without being known in Nigeria but among people who have cities, long distance traders and etc

Face your Ijo Orunmila business and leave the matter of who and who should lead who.

You are not a Muslim.

Or is Whataboutism part of the creed at your gathering?

I asked you a question and you have not attempt to answer rather what are read are going round in circles.

When Uthman the son of Fodio embarked on his Jihad, did his fellow Jihadists left the Cattle heads on the bush, came to Hausa Land, upsets everything of the Hausa Habe Kingdoms and ran back to the same Bush with their cattle all the while leaving the conquered Hausas all to themselves (who I think are so docile that they can't beat the h*ll out of these numbered mauraders (you said they are not much)?

They didn't fight back then when they could have protected their heritage but now that they are so deep in the faith that Uthman and his Puritans foisted on them will now suddenly want to fight back?

While you are chewing on that, is it also part of your Ijo Orunmila creed to be so concerned about Islam and Muslims?

Lukuluku69:
Face your Ijo Orunmila business and leave the matter of who and who should lead who.

You are not a Muslim.

Or is Whataboutism part of the creed at your gathering?

I asked you a question and you have not attempt to answer rather what are read are going round in circles.

When Uthman the son of Fodio embarked on his Jihad, did his fellow Jihadists left the Cattle heads on the bush, came to Hausa Land, upsets everything of the Hausa Habe Kingdoms and ran back to the same Bush with their cattle all the while leaving the conquered Hausas all to themselves (who I think are so docile that they can't beat the h*ll out of these numbered mauraders (you said they are not much)?

They didn't fight back then when they could have protected their heritage but now that they are so deep in the faith that Uthman and his Puritans foisted on them will now suddenly want to fight back?

While you are chewing on that, is it also part of your Ijo Orunmila creed to be so concerned about Islam and Muslims?

I have explained to you that the leadership of Islam is a security issue. Everyone should be concerned about it. You don't need to be a Muslim to be concerned about it because when it starts, it will reach everywhere.

What happened about the Fulani jihad is that the Fulani had nothing else to fall back on apart from Islam so they took it seriously and became prominent clerics. If you had a sedentary culture with spirituality you can not leave it entirely. In Saudi Arabia they still have what they do that Mohammed will not approve of. How much more the Habe Kings? Uthman Dan Fodio used preaching to turn the heads of his followers to believe the Habe rulers were idolators that should be removed and the majority believed since they had been under indoctrination as a society for centuries

lawani:
I have explained to you that the leadership of Islam is a security issue. Everyone should be concerned about it. You don't need to be a Muslim to be concerned about it because when it starts, it will reach everywhere.

What happened about the Fulani jihad is that the Fulani had nothing else to fall back on apart from Islam so they took it seriously and became prominent clerics. If you had a sedentary culture with spirituality you can not leave it entirely. In Saudi Arabia they still have what they do that Mohammed will not approve of. How much more the Habe Kings? Uthman Dan Fodio used preaching to turn the heads of his followers to believe the Habe rulers were idolators that should be removed and the majority believed since they had been under indoctrination as a society for centuries

Thanks for your concern. It is well noted.

Now can you go back to your Ijo Orunmila now?

Lol

Whataboutism of the highest order.

And Ifa/Orunmila Adherents telling Muslims who should and shouldn't lead them.

Comedy gold.

Lukuluku69:
Sir, Sultan simply means the Sovereign and Emir is derived from the Arabic word Amir, which simply means Leader. Also clipped from the Title of the Four Rightly Guided Khalifa "Amir Al-Muimeen (Leader of the Faithfuls.

Dithering to the Sultan when it comes to Political Islam is actually Islamic in the context of the Nigerian Space. Remember, I told you that Islam says that even when you are just TWO in a Space, appoint a Leader. In the Nigerian Space, the Sultan is the only Sovereign that fits to be properly addressed as such. That doesn't mean the Yorubas are under him or tale authority from him. His proclamations, as regards the commencement of Ramadan, are only for unity and synergy. Nothing more, as a matter of fact, if he erred in that, he will answer for it before God!

Now coming back to the supposition that Nigeria can break, and what becomes of the Yoruba Muslims in terms of Leadership, well I can tell you that, what you will have is a void and that can be filled by the Scholars but not a single individual as in the case of the Sultan

Recently, the Oba at Iwo was of the opinion that he can assume the title of Sultan of Yoruba Land (or something in that line) what now happens when he passes and a Christian becomes the Oba at Iwo? Would he still be a Muslim Leader?

And let me quickly correct a notion, sir. Islam has been in the North way before it got down south because those who spread it actually passed thru the Sahel en route to South West Nigeria. Uthman Fodio jihad only made it a State Religion, something no Cleric/Dervish ever attempted in the South West.

I understand people's angst against some Fula elements in Nigeria. I feel their hagemony in the Nigera Space is nauseating to say the least that happens because the British lump us all together. They fused at least 4-5 Nations into one and I can tell you that what we accuse the Fulanis of, the other major tribes in Nigeria would do same if they have the power to do so.

This is Islam, my prayers, my fast, my Zakats etc is for God and not for any Sultan or Alfa. His Leadership is just symbolic.

And many thanks on the good wish Sir!

I appreciate your brilliant feedback. Your reference that in Islam, even if it's just 2 people that are together, there MUST be a leader is deeply insightful. I NEVER knew that such instruction exists until you mentioned it in your post. Back in the early 1980s, I started to watch Sheikh Ahmad Deedat's (he was a Muslim of Indian origin) comparative religion conversations on TV and read books from the Ahmadiya folks of which the Sheikh belonged.

Yes, Islam has been in the North of Nigeria like you said especially in the Kanuriland areas of modern Borno and Chad Republic (where it was strong) and later the Hausalands, where some of the Sarkis or indigenous Kings (before the armed Fula invasion of 1804) usually adopted Islam. However, the Hausa folks on the street level who were NOT of royal stock usually followed the indigenous Hausa religion.

Indeed, historically, Islam FIRST made peaceful inroads into Yorubaland (Oyo Empire) over 500 years ago from Mali Empire, hence the name Yorubas gave to the religion was "Esin Imale" or the "religion of Mali." Iwo in Osun State ended up having the oldest mosque in the entire Yorubaland as told by the Oluwo of Iwo in an interview he granted when he newly got turbaned in Iwo as an Oba. Yoruba traders from the Oyo Empire engaged in long-distance trading selling commodities such as kolanuts, peppers and more as far as Timbuktu, Ashanti Empire I. modern Ghana, and with the Hausa city states where horses were imported (for the Oyo Empire's military cavalry) to Yorubaland thru the Nupe country. So, Yorubas started having contacts with Islam centuries back especially through peaceful long-distance traders contrary to some uninformed posters online who incorrectly think it was the so-called Fula jihad that brought Islam to Yorubaland. I have had to correct some IRRESPONSIBLE and insidious posters here who were taunting Yorubas with that fake historical narrative.

It's NOT surprising that it was Yoruba Muslims who led the slave revolt officially named "Male Revolt" in Bahia, Brazil in the 1800s aided by other Muslims from West African ethnicities who were Muslims). The name "Male" is derived from the word "Imale" which Yorubas used to describe the religion of the Muslims. That's a testament to how Islam had made powerful inroads into Yorubaland for our forebears to have led a slave revolt in Bahia, Brazil in the early 1800s because the Brazilian slave overlords prevented them from doing the Muslim prayers as and when due.

That slave revolt also led Brazil to deport many of the Muslims back to Africa (Ghana and Nigeria especially) after executing some of the leaders of the revolt who were tried for treason. That slave revolt in Bahia also hastened the move by the Brazilian authorities to end the slave trade in the late 1800s.

In rounding off, I don't think the Oluwo of Iwo has the "candor and emotional intelligence" to play the role of an Emir which he suggested in a viral publication some years back. He's unfortunately too controversial. Then, the one major reason why a detest the Fula agenda is that non-Muslim Fula mercenaries were used to fight alongside Fulas who claimed they were Muslims. That was a total act of deception while hiding under the cover of Islam. Then the history books ALSO state that as of that 1800s, the Hausas who joined in the Fula wars started regretting doing so because the foreign Fulas started taking women forcibly from among the Hausa while imposing heavy taxes and Jizyas on the peasants and people of Hausaland while engaging in the slave trade especially depopulating the current Bauchi area of the indigenous people who lived there who were sold into the trans-Saharan slave trade leading to North Africa, the Ottoman Empire and as far as Oman.

AlphaTaikun:
I appreciate your brilliant feedback. Your reference that in Islam, even if it's just 2 people that are together, there MUST be a leader is deeply insightful. I NEVER knew that such instruction exists until you mentioned it in your post. Back in the early 1980s, I started to watch Sheikh Ahmad Deedat's (he was a Muslim of Indian origin) comparative religion conversations on TV and read books from the Ahmadiya folks of which the Sheikh belonged.

Yes, Islam has been in the North of Nigeria like you said especially in the Kanuriland areas of modern Borno and Chad Republic (where it was strong) and later the Hausalands, where some of the Sarkis or indigenous Kings (before the armed Fula invasion of 1804) usually adopted Islam. However, the Hausa folks on the street level who were NOT of royal stock usually followed the indigenous Hausa religion.

Indeed, historically, Islam FIRST made peaceful inroads into Yorubaland (Oyo Empire) over 500 years ago from Mali Empire, hence the name Yorubas gave to the religion was "Esin Imale" or the "religion of Mali." Iwo in Osun State ended up having the oldest mosque in the entire Yorubaland as told by the Oluwo of Iwo in an interview he granted when he newly got turbaned in Iwo as an Oba. Yoruba traders from the Oyo Empire engaged in long-distance trading selling commodities such as kolanuts, peppers and more as far as Timbuktu, Ashanti Empire I. modern Ghana, and with the Hausa city states where horses were imported (for the Oyo Empire's military cavalry) to Yorubaland thru the Nupe country. So, Yorubas started having contacts with Islam centuries back especially through peaceful long-distance traders contrary to some uninformed posters online who incorrectly think it was the so-called Fula jihad that brought Islam to Yorubaland. I have had to correct some IRRESPONSIBLE and insidious posters here who were taunting Yorubas with that fake historical narrative.

It's NOT surprising that it was Yoruba Muslims who led the slave revolt officially named "Male Revolt" in Bahia, Brazil in the 1800s aided by other Muslims from West African ethnicities who were Muslims). The name "Male" is derived from the word "Imale" which Yorubas used to describe the religion of the Muslims. That's a testament to how Islam had made powerful inroads into Yorubaland for our forebears to have led a slave revolt in Bahia, Brazil in the early 1800s because the Brazilian slave overlords prevented them from doing the Muslim prayers as and when due.

That slave revolt also led Brazil to deport many of the Muslims back to Africa (Ghana and Nigeria especially) after executing some of the leaders of the revolt who were tried for treason. That slave revolt in Bahia also hastened the move by the Brazilian authorities to end the slave trade in the late 1800s.

In rounding off, I don't think the Oluwo of Iwo has the "candor and emotional intelligence" to play the role of an Emir which he suggested in a viral publication some years back. He's unfortunately too controversial. Then, the one major reason why a detest the Fula agenda is that non-Muslim Fula mercenaries were used to fight alongside Fulas who claimed they were Muslims. That was a total act of deception while hiding under the cover of Islam. Then the history books ALSO state that as of that 1800s, the Hausas who joined in the Fula wars started regretting doing so because the foreign Fulas started taking women forcibly from among the Hausa while imposing heavy taxes and Jizyas on the peasants and people of Hausaland while engaging in the slave trade especially depopulating the current Bauchi area of the indigenous people who lived there who were sold into the trans-Saharan slave trade leading to North Africa, the Ottoman Empire and as far as Oman.

Absolutely Sir!

Your position is actually in agreement with what history taught and not a Revisionist attempt as we have seen in public domain because of the exploits of some Fula Elements.

I was telling a member of our my mosque that it wasn't the Fulanis or Hausa that brought Islam to Yorubaland and it was as if I was talking Rocket Science!

The same way Islam got to the North was the same way it got to the South and I would assume that because of proximity of the Mali, Chad and Niger( the Powerful Kingsoms of that earlier times) made Islam to get to the North before it reaches Yorubaland, through the Traders and itinerary Dervishes roaming the West African cities and towns. The only difference was that, we have one crazed enough to actually put plans to work and try to take by force and overthrow the indigenous Hausa Habe Kingdoms hence the proclamations of Islam as the State Religion in the North.

I was taught the stories of Bayajida in Primary School of his Banza bakwa and the other legitimate bakwas (lol) in these stories you will find that the Kanuris, Nupes and some other were classified as Banza bakwa ( a deliberate slur at the ethnicity because they are nor Fulanis or pure Fulanis)

That said, I have never liked the exploits these Fulanis nomads (some who are actually animists in their ways but because the refined city dwelling Fulanis have always see and used them in their expansionist tendencies, they always excused and turn a blind eye to their murderous ways.

I would have love for the Muslims in the south to have a Political figure they can look up to but alas, there is non and in that, the Sultan is in a position to full that position.

He is the Sultan of Sokoto first then an the Amir of the Faithfuls in the Nigeria Space. I find it funny that people who mock the Muslims in everything they do and noe the one telling them who should and shouldn't lead them.

Lukuluku69:
Absolutely Sir!

Your position is actually in agreement with what history taught and not a Revisionist attempt as we have seen in public domain because of the exploits of some Fula Elements.

I was telling a member of our my mosque that it wasn't the Fulanis or Hausa that brought Islam to Yorubaland and it was as if I was talking Rocket Science!

The same way Islam got to the North was the same way it got to the South and I would assume that because of proximity of the Mali, Chad and Niger( the Powerful Kingsoms of that earlier times) made Islam to get to the North before it reaches Yorubaland, through the Traders and itinerary Dervishes roaming the West African cities and towns. The only difference was that, we have one crazed enough to actually put plans to work and try to take by force and overthrow the indigenous Hausa Habe Kingdoms hence the proclamations of Islam as the State Religion in the North.

I was taught the stories of Bayajida in Primary School of his Banza bakwa and the other legitimate bakwas (lol) in these stories you will find that the Kanuris, Nupes and some other were classified as Banza bakwa ( a deliberate slur at the ethnicity because they are nor Fulanis or pure Fulanis)

That said, I have never liked the exploits these Fulanis nomads (some who are actually animists in their ways but because the refined city dwelling Fulanis have always see and used them in their expansionist tendencies, they always excused and turn a blind eye to their murderous ways.

I would have love for the Muslims in the south to have a Political figure they can look up to but alas, there is non and in that, the Sultan is in a position to full that position.

He is the Sultan of Sokoto first then an the Amir of the Faithfuls in the Nigeria Space. I find it funny that people who mock the Muslims in everything they do and noe the one telling them who should and shouldn't lead them.

@Lukuluku69,

I want you to watch this historically revealing video of a very vocal young Hausa woman right BELOW to get a hang of what is going on as of 2025/2026 among the Hausas (Hausawas) who are revolting against the foreign Fula apartheid system in Hausaland. It's time to dismantle that insidious Fula structure right in the Hausa States right into Kwara and the Nigerian political ecosystem.


1]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wnK4qQnjyg?si=okSbKUb7jomYjEkF
naija star news Jan 18 2025

2]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPsio7Gcxwo

3]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKUzZdXmJO8


There are other online videos of male and female Hausas speaking out in videos.


4]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOOyXTvTKuE?si=_ABgiOlk2rzdGnVW
naija star news • Feb 10 2026

AlphaTaikun:
@Lukuluku69,

I want you to watch this historically revealing video of a very vocal young Hausa woman right BELOW to get a hang of what is going on as of 2025/2026 among the Hausas (Hausawas) who are revolting against the foreign Fula apartheid system in Hausaland. It's time to dismantle that insidious Fula structure right in the Hausa States right into Kwara and the Nigerian political ecosystem.


1]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wnK4qQnjyg?si=okSbKUb7jomYjEkF
naija star news Jan 18 2025

2]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPsio7Gcxwo

3]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKUzZdXmJO8


There are other online videos of male and female Hausas speaking out in videos.


4]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOOyXTvTKuE?si=_ABgiOlk2rzdGnVW
naija star news • Feb 10 2026

All the best to them in their quest for freedom from the Fula hegemony.