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CaseSensitive:
I suppose you can agree with the teachings of Jesus, objectively without being a Christian, then again, Christianity is for people like them. It's their religion (Europeans). That doesn't change the fact that Christianity, including the other Abrahamic religion are alien to Africa. I don't want to know the Jesus Christ of Nazareth because I'm not from Nazareth, I'm not from that region. Jerusalem or Mecca is not my holy land. Africa is.

jesusjnr2020:
Imagine when men like Elon Musk (the richest man on the planet, also a frontrunner in the science and technological field of the modern world) and YoungHoon Kim (man with World's Highest IQ on record), would yet be humbling themselves before God their Creator and proudly and publicly taking a stand for Jesus, yet some who can't even lace the shoes of these ones when it comes to their scientific or technological intelligence or prowess, would be feeling their IQ is too high to acknowledge God or use to serve Him because according to them, "it takes someone with a low IQ" to do so.

Well, Wisdom is indeed justified of her children.

God bless.

https://www.nairaland.com/8530263/elon-musk-shares-erika-kirks

https://www.nairaland.com/8457044/younghoon-kim-worlds-highest-iq

Flangelo12:
Because a thief is saying he agrees with Christ's teachings.



Small pikin.

SIRTee15:
I take God beg u, if u are ignorant about a topic be quiet rather than spreading falsehood.

5 African kingdoms in subsahara Africa embraced Christianity as a national religion before any European nation became Christian.

They compiled their own bible in their native language and worshipped Jesus there own way.

Kingdom of Aksum, Alodia, Nobatia and Makuria, all become Christian nation in the 4th century. Christianity arrived England in the 6th century.
The whole of Nubia, present day Sudan, South Sudan, part of Tanzania and Southern Egypt were all Christians as far back as 4th century.
The kingdom of Kongo embraced Christianity in the 15th century as a national religion.

The concept of Trinity came from African church fathers like Athanasius and Tertullian. Athanasius played a big role in the compilation of the new testament books we have today.

Over 30 African bishops were present at the nicene creed in 325AD where the core church belief was ratified and made a creed.

Every nation was pagan at one point in history, that doesn't mean they should continue such practice because culture is dynamic.

Gajagojo:
What is a demon

CaseSensitive:
Hey, I certainly know what I'm talking about. Christianity had ancient roots in parts of Northeast Africa, but for most of Sub-Saharan Africa including Nigeria of course it spread through colonial and missionary expansion. Your ancestors weren't "Christians" when your fathers Athanasius and Tertullian etc were ratifying church belief. You as a sub Saharan African do not have any cultural alignment with any North African. So yes, Christianity is alien to most African traditional cosmologies.

If Nigeria was colonised by the Chinese, you'll swear your life by Buddhism and you most certainly won't be a Christian today.

SIRTee15:
It's obvious u drinking the white man's racist cool aid with your weak attempt to divide Africa based on skin colour.

When the white man say Africa didn't have a writing system or produce the wheel and we point them to Egypt; they argue Egypt isn't an african civilisation. Then we point out Ethiopia and Eritrea, they argue Ethiopia is not fully subsahara. Then we point them to Timbuktu, they argue it was an Islamic civilisation built by Berbers and has nothing to do with subsahara Africa.

Your first post mentioned Christianity is alien to Africa. Now that u were called out u switched it to subsahara Africa. So tell me, is Ethiopia, Eritrea and south Sudan no longer part of subsahara Africa anymore?


U people keep shifting the goalpost to suit your propagandized agenda. An agenda that makes no logical sense.
The bible in Ethiopia, is it different from the one the white man brought to Lagos. The Jesus they worshipped in Eritrea since the 5th century, is it different from the one Bishop Ajayi Crowther brought to Badagry.
If it's the same, then u guys have nothing to stand on and the idea that Jesus is alien to Africa is foolishness.

FYI, the ancient Ethiopians had darker skin tone than most Nigerians. They were so black skin that the ancient Greeks call them Aethiopia meaning burnt face. That's how black they look.

Then u said I as a Nigerian don't have any link to North Africa. Who are the original North Africans? Who are the indigenous North Africans? You think it's the present arabs living there now?

If I may ask u, do the Nigerian Fulanis have any link with the original North Africans?

There was no fixed ethnic group in the north and west African region for thousands of years, it was a constant migratory pattern until around 1000AD.

These regions have always been multi-ethnic crossroads between Sahara and sub-Saharan Africa. Climate change (especially desert expansion), trade routes, and empires constantly reshaped who lived where.
So instead of one “original” people, there were layers of ancient populations, until maybe 11th century.

The idea that one specific ethnic group have always occupied same area in subsahara Africa is an Eurocentric attempt to disconnect your root from ancient northern Africa ethnicity.

The Sungbo’s Eredo is evidence of such migratory ancient civilization. The massive system of walls and ditches built in Ijebu ode span 160km of walls and trenches. It forms an enormous enclosed area, larger than many ancient cities. UNESCO announced it's the largest earth excavation work and the longest wall ever built in history

The local inhabitants in Ijebu Ode cannot explain who built the wall. There's no oral tradition telling us the local community built it. The only oral history we have is that a wealthy lady from Nubia region migrated to the area and built it. That should tell u something about ancient migration.

Fulanis are the most recent migrant from northern Africa to the deep south. That's why they retain many of the phenotypic features of northern Africans. They followed a repeated wave of southward migratory pattern that had existed for centuries.


Finally, u ignorantly claimed we are Christians because of colonisation. Very ridiculous.
UK colonised Egypt and India, why are they not Christians.
France colonised Senegal, Mali, Niger and guinea, why are not Christians.

U people have a lot of work to do in understanding cultural dynamics and how it influence society. Islam was already rampant in Yorubaland in the 19th century. Basorun Latoosa, the great Ibadan warload of the popular kiriji war died a Muslim.
Efusetan Aniwura the 2nd iyalode of Ibadan was a Christian and a strong member of the local church in 1850s. Balogun okenla who led the egbas against the Dahomey on the 1850s was a Christian.
Oba Akintoye and Dosunmu embraced Christianity in the mid 19th century during their reign as monarch in Lagos while Oba Kosoko embraced Islam. None of them denied their heritage as traditional Yorubas.

All these prominent figures embraced foreign religions without any nonsense colonisation and still played powerful role in their respective communities.
Colonisation or not, people will embrace what makes sense and sounds appealing. The truth is always clear from falsehood. It has nothing to do with culture.

China had been in contact with the Philippines for thousands of years but couldn't establish Buddhism, American missionaries arrived in the 19th century and within 50 years the nation became Christian.

The only way Japan could stop Christianity in the 15th and 16th century was to start persecuting and executing Japanese who converted to Christianity. Otherwise Japan would have become a Christian nation within 100 years. It was spreading like wild fire.

Over 60,000 Christians were killed by the emperors after passing the anti christian edict in 1587. 12,000 were killed in a single day in shimbara peninsula after Christian peasant rebelled against the heavy taxation against them.

U guys knows nothing about the power of the gospel and the conviction of the truth. The message of a universal God and his redemption plan sounds appealing anywhere.

It's just the docility of present Christians especially in western world and commercialization of the faith in some regions that gave people like u mouth to talk.

I have been abroad now for over 10 years, if Christianity doesn't seem right, I would have abandoned it long time ago. Don't worry, a wave of revival is coming soon.

Atheism makes no sense, it promotes immorality as the norm, gives no guidance and denies the reality. That's why it's dying out even in western world as people begin to seek the truth again.

jesusjnr2020:
"I Agree With The Teachings Of Jesus" World's Richest Man Elon Musk Says

World's Richest Man and leading scientist and technological innovator, Elon Musk, has continued to proudly and publicly ldentify with Christ and those of the Christian faith.

This time he posted on the X, "I agree with the teachings of Jesus"

I sincerely hope though he means what he says and isn't just saying it for saying sake, but also walking the talk.

However saying it alone openly and unashamedly, in a world that hates, rejects and doesn't want anything to do with the name of Jesus, is a right step in the right direction.

God bless.

Flangelo12:
This Elon?

CaseSensitive:
Oh I see, now we’re suddenly defending “all of Africa is one unbroken Christian cradle” while ignoring facts. Let me break it down for you.
Ethiopia, Eritrea, Nubia? Fine, they were Christian. Congrats. Does that mean Sub-Saharan Africa, including Nigeria, had organic Christianity before European missions. Absolutely not. Aksum isn’t Lagos, Makuria isn’t Ibadan. You’re conflating geography with theology to push your agenda.

CaseSensitive:
Skin color doesn’t equal culture. Just because Ethiopians were black and ancient doesn’t mean their Christianity had any cultural alignment with Yoruba cosmologies. Your Athanasius and Tertullian argument is irrelevant to the daily life of a 19th-century Yoruba peasant or monarch, they had zero influence on them.

CaseSensitive:
Then you went on about voluntary adoption. You’re romanticizing a few converts while ignoring that the widespread spread in Nigeria relied heavily on colonial structures and missionary schools, which replaced indigenous institutions. Efusetan Aniwura, Oba Akintoye, Balogun Okenla etc…sure, exceptions prove the rule, but they don’t erase structural facts or do they?

CaseSensitive:
I actually like your analogy of China, Japan, Philippines comparison but you miss that cultural, political, and economic incentives were massively different. Christianity spread in Nigeria under colonial pressure and institutional incentives. Was it a spontaneous cultural resonance like in Ethiopia? No

CaseSensitive:
Migration myths and Sungbo’s Eredo? interesting archaeology, yes. But again I will reiterate that walls and migration patterns don’t prove Christianity was native to Nigeria. They only prove that we as Africans had complex societies.

CaseSensitive:
With your “universal God” argument, theological appeal doesn’t change history. A message can be appealing everywhere, it doesn’t make it indigenous. The Orthodox Church in Ethiopia is indigenous because it evolved internally for more than 1600 years or so. Nigerian Christianity? Imported, adapted, and Africanized afterward. Big difference.

CaseSensitive:
Atheism makes no sense? To you maybe. I guess an atheist can say exactly the same thing about religion and I never for once actually mentioned anything about atheism, never said or insinuated I’m an atheist. I’m certainly not one, but in support of the atheists and in counter to your claim that atheism promotes immorality , gives no guidance and denies reality, - if your moral compass collapses in absence of this your “Universal God” then that say more about you and your ethics than that of atheists.

CaseSensitive:
If Christianity is docile in the Western world (who supposedly should be the torchbearer and custodian of the religion, because they forced it down your throat in the first place) while Christianity back in Nigeria is ridiculously fragmented and commercialised to the extent that every half brain Chinedu and Damilola with a bible and half a plot of land or a makeshift "church", can become a “pastor”, I guess that says it all.

CaseSensitive:
Bottom line: Christianity in Nigeria was not organically African before colonial-era influence and that’s my point. Stop trying to use Ethiopia’s unique historical case to erase the structural realities in Africa, especially West Africa. The facts don’t care about your sentimental defense or your ten years abroad - a statement that has no bearing on, or relevance to the subject matter. I’ve been (still) living abroad before you probably had an international passport.

eagleonearth:
a fallen angel.

Everfrank:
Agreeing with the teachings of Jesus may not mean agreeing with Christianity.
Jesus neither taught Christianity nor was he a Christian. Christianity was invented by Paul long after Jesus and around jesus's death and resurrection rather than on what he actually taught. Words and doctrines like Christian, Christianity, trinity, the cross, atonement of sin, divine sonship were never taught by Jesus.

SIRTee15:
provide evidence Jesus never taught those things but they came from Paul

lawani:
You provide evidence that Jesus said he came to die for the past, future and present sins of the whole world.

SIRTee15:
if I give u evidence from his own words in the gospel books, will u accept it or begin some meaningless whataboutism.

Everfrank:
Agreeing with the teachings of Jesus may not mean agreeing with Christianity.
Jesus neither taught Christianity nor was he a Christian. Christianity was invented by Paul long after Jesus and around jesus's death and resurrection rather than on what he actually taught. Words and doctrines like Christian, Christianity, trinity, the cross, atonement of sin, divine sonship were never taught by Jesus.

Gajagojo:
What is an angel ?

lawani:
Give us evidence where he said his blood can be a substitute for personal accountability. No sane person can say that is why it does not exist

SIRTee15:
Mathew 26.28
This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

This is Jesus own word on the night of passover. What do u understand by that statement.

lawani:
So because of this one statement you believe there is no longer need for taking responsibility for your actions? Because of this all your recklessness is covered?. There are no actions without consequences. Give me where he said he died for the past, present and future sins of the whole world, the whole of mankind not for many which to him would have meant only Jews since he said by himself that he was sent to Jews.

Anybody saying all your past, present and future misdemeanors have been paid for is simply insane. You are just trying to prove Jesus was insane.

eagleonearth:
God's messenger.

Flangelo12:
This Elon?

Tolupage:
Racist towards who? How it's not blacks, cause you guys play that card one to often

Flangelo12:
Whether Elon Musk is "racist" is a subject of intense public debate, with accusations stemming from his social media activity and corporate management, while Musk himself strongly denies the label.
Arguments for the Accusation

Critics and civil rights organisations point to several areas as evidence of racial bias or the amplification of racist ideologies:

Social Media Activity: [/b]Musk has frequently engaged with or amplified far-right accounts on X (formerly Twitter). This includes replying "yes" to a post about "race communism" and agreeing with a post that claimed Jewish communities push "dialectical hatred against whites". He has also used X to post images seen as relying on racist tropes.
Corporate Discrimination Lawsuits: His company, Tesla, has faced multiple lawsuits alleging a culture of racial harassment. In one high-profile case, a Black former elevator operator was awarded $3.2 million in 2023 for enduring a hostile work environment at the Fremont factory.

[b]Platform Governance: [/b]Since Musk's takeover of X, researchers have documented significant spikes in racial slurs and hate speech. Critics argue his removal of "trust and safety" teams and reinstatement of banned accounts have turned the platform into a "hub" for far-right content.

[b]Opposition to DEI: Musk is a vocal critic of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives, calling them "racist" and "corrosive to society". He has also accused mainstream media and elite schools of being "racist against whites and Asians

Tolupage:
Ain't it shameful that you had to go copy and entire response from gpt to support your own claim

How does being against DEI makes you a racist Like I said, it seems you lot are quick to point racist finger at everyone, yet you can live in peace with your neighbour from the East, West or North from the same country...

Gajagojo:
Which of the gods?