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MaxInDHouse:
Is it possible to disassociate oneself from fellow worshipers and still continue being a worshiper of God?

YES or NO?🙂

Absolutely possible.

God is with you as an individual, not as a congregation. God has personal relationship with His children. A child can dissociate himself from a family and still remain the son of his father.

FxMasterz:
Absolutely possible.
God is with you as an individual, not as a congregation. God has personal relationship with His children. A child can dissociate himself from a family and still remain the son of his father.

Please mention one worshiper of God who deliberately disassociate himself in the Bible!🙂

FxMasterz:
Salvation is not about worshipping with loyal worshippers! A worshipper can be loyal and still be worshipping in error. The Jews were loyal and committed but they were in error.

The only basis for salvation is this:

Acts 16:31: "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household."

Simple as ABC! If you have any contrary opinion, bring the Scripture that backs you.

1)so are you saying that you can be in disagreement with loyal worshippers of God that are not in error and be saved? Yes or no?

2) Kindly tell us one reason from the Bible why God wants you to join his loyal worshippers that are not in error.

Truthseeker10:
1)so are you saying that you can be in disagreement with loyal worshippers of God that are not in error and be saved? Yes or no?

If I'm in disagreement with loyal worshippers of God who are not in error, then, I am in error. I won't be lost just because of my disagreement with them. I can only be lost because of my own error. And the tendency of being lost is dependent on the type of error itself. It has nothing to do with a disagreement with an organization. For example, if I disagree with an organization that Jesus Christ is not the Savior of the world, and leave the organization on that basis. I can be lost, not because I left the organization but because I do not believe that Jesus is Savior. That error is very damaging.

On the other hand if I believe that Jesus has a throne in heaven, and I leave an organization that does not believe Jesus has a throne, I cannot be lost because my salvation does not hinge on Jesus having a throne or not having a throne. My salvation hangs if Jesus being my Savior, my belief in His death and resurrection, and my resolve to obey God in leaving righteously. If I am doing all these, I'll see God even if I do not belong to any organization.

2) Kindly tell us one reason from the Bible why God wants you to join his loyal worshippers that are not in error.

For fellowship. Simple as ABC. It helps for spiritual support and fastracks spiritual growth.

The core purpose of fellowship is emphasized in the bolded below:

Hebrews 10:35:

"Not forsaking the assembling/fellowshipoing of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

MaxInDHouse:
Please mention one worshiper of God who deliberately disassociate himself in the Bible!🙂

Can you give me any reference where I said anyone must deliberately dissociate himself? And yes, people must deliberately dissociate themselves for erring congregations that preach heresy.

A child of God is not a member of a religion or denomination. A child of God is a member of the Body of Christ. Except you dissociate yourself from the Body of Christ, you are still a child of God even if you leave a gathering for whatsoever reason.

You can leave a congregation but do not forsake Christ. Never fall in love with this present world like Demas

FxMasterz:
If I'm in disagreement with loyal worshippers of God who are not in error, then, I am in error. I won't be lost just because of my disagreement with them. I can only be lost because of my own error. And the tendency of being lost is dependent on the type of error itself. It has nothing to do with a disagreement with an organization. For example, if I disagree with an organization that Jesus Christ is not the Savior of the world, and leave the organization on that basis. I can be lost, not because I left the organization but because I do not believe that Jesus is Savior. That error is very damaging.

On the other hand if I believe that Jesus has a throne in heaven, and I leave an organization that does not believe Jesus has a throne, I cannot be lost because my salvation does not hinge on Jesus having a throne or not having a throne. My salvation hangs if Jesus being my Savior, my belief in His death and resurrection, and my resolve to obey God in leaving righteously. If I am doing all these, I'll see God even if I do not belong to any organization.

So what of Any Organization or individual that does not believe that the Father son and holy spirit is one person according to your teachings on this platform, will they be saved?

For fellowship. Simple as ABC. It helps for spiritual support and fastracks spiritual growth.

The core purpose of fellowship is emphasized in the bolded below:

Hebrews 10:35:

"Not forsaking the assembling/fellowshipoing of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

So according to the verse above, if I decide not to associate and exhort loyal worshippers of God who are not in error, will I be saved?

Truthseeker10:
So what of Any Organization or individual that does not believe that the Father son and holy spirit is one person according to your teachings on this platform, will they be saved?

Believing in the Trinity or not is not a condition for salvation. Some doctrines can limit how far you can go with God. They do not deny you if salvation. However, there are dangerous doctrines that can send you to hell. For example if you believe that Jesus didn't die or resurrect, you could miss paradise because your salvation is hunger on the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. You cannot miss paradise on the basis of any doctrine that does not define your salvation.

So according to the verse above, if I decide not to associate and exhort loyal worshippers of God who are not in error, will I be saved?

You'll be limited in your spiritual growth but you'll be saved if you do not forsake Christ

So there is no single worshiper of God in Bible times who deliberately disassociate himself from his fellow believers.
Case closed!🙂

FxMasterz:
Can you give me any reference where I said anyone must deliberately dissociate himself? And yes, people must deliberately dissociate themselves for erring congregations that preach heresy. A child of God is not a member of a religion or denomination. A child of God is a member of the Body of Christ. Except you dissociate yourself from the Body of Christ, you are still a child of God even if you leave a gathering for whatsoever reason. You can leave a congregation but do not forsake Christ. Never fall in love with this present world like Demas

MaxInDHouse:
So there is no single worshiper of God in Bible times who deliberately disassociate himself from his fellow believers.
Case closed!🙂

Why should anyone deliberately dissociate himself from true Believers?

Did I advice that or what are you insinuating?

Paul dissociated himself for sometime. He was in seclusion for about 3 years in Arabia. Did he lose his salvation during those times because of that?

FxMasterz:
Why should anyone deliberately dissociate himself from true Believers?
Did I advice that or what are you insinuating?
Paul dissociated himself for sometime. He was in seclusion for about 3 years in Arabia. Did he lose his salvation during those times because of that?

Quote where this is in the scriptures let everyone see what you are claiming so they can know you are deceiving yourself.

Did Paul deliberately disassociate himself from among true believers or something happened that caused it?😀

FxMasterz:
I wasn't there. I rely on the information passed down by those who were there. Not by people who come thousands of years later, and think they know better. There has never been a debate on Isaiah until recent times.

That is incorrect, you are NOT relying on people that were there. You mentioned Josephus, who was not there. The Dead Sea Scrolls are dated to around 200BCE, 400 years after the supposed book was written so no you are not even remotely relying on anybody who was there.

BTW the issue with Isaiah has been known for more than 200 years so it is not a recent development.

No evidence. Can you see how you staked all your belief about Isaiah on the VIEWS of modern scholars who are just debating and arguing. Did you seek evidence? No. For anything opposed to God, ordinary views of people without any evidence is okay by you. But for anything in support of God's existence, you would even discountenance evidences and try to argue against them as you're currently doing against the book of Isaiah. Was Daniel written by many authors too?

I did present evidence but if you mean archeological evidence then you just shot yourself in the foot because we have no manuscript older than the Dead Sea scrolls which are dated to around 200BCE, 400 years after the supposed book was written.

These are not ordinary views. These are the views of the people who studied the Hebrew manuscripts not the obviously biased English translations you rely on.

See, just simple reasoning will tell you that Isaiah or anyone cannot be prophesying to people who were alive in his days and be telling them about a future king when that king was already ruling. Is it possible for me to prophesy to you right now about Tinubu being born and becoming president of Nigeria in the future? You find that preposterous but you apply this same preposterous scenario to the book of Isaiah.

The reasoning that eludes you is this isn't a book prophesying jack. It is so obviously a book attempting to retcon the Hebrews post Babylon exilic experience and lay over it the drive towards the re-emerging Jewish faith. Go read about how most of the Old Testament is dated to the writings of anonymous Jewish authors after the Babylon exile, it will clear you. See the screenshot I attached for the dates of when the books were written.

Why should Cyrus credit Yahweh even when Yahweh clearly declared that Cyrus does not know Him?

If you were prophesied into being as a person, is that tantamount to you having knowledge of the God behind the prophecy? Would that even imply that you know about the prophecy?

Tradition has it that Jewish elders later showed Cyrus the book of Isaiah, and he was awed to see his name mentioned by a dead man who lived many years before he was born.

Talk about reasoning, are you telling me that this your god who said he killed 42 children just for mocking his prophet would leave a whole king to give his glory to another god? Abeg guy no dey whine me jor.

He was awed to see his name but still credits it to Marduk? Please tell a believable story jor.

Then bring up the archeological evidences that put the book of Isaiah in the hands of many authors instead of making mere views of people your evidence.

Like I said the dearth of direct archeological evidence is a big problem for your position as well. Meanwhile the Cyrus cylinder indicts the Bible as a bearer of tall tales claiming Yahweh did something which Cyrus claims for Marduk. Is your god so powerless he couldn't prevent this from happening? What a shame. LoLz.

I also have a view that lordreed is an old man always wearing green shirts. Do you believe that? Is my view now an evidence of what you and what you always wear?

You only need to supply what gave you the impetus for such a statement. If you have nothing, then your claim is worthless. The Deutero and Trito Isaiah claims have solid basis for them and make more sense than the claims of so-called prophesy.

FxMasterz:
Believing in the Trinity or not is not a condition for salvation. Some doctrines can limit how far you can go with God. They do not deny you if salvation. However, there are dangerous doctrines that can send you to hell. For example if you believe that Jesus didn't die or resurrect, you could miss paradise because your salvation is hunger on the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. You cannot miss paradise on the basis of any doctrine that does not define your salvation.

Lol....So I can spread lies about the nature of God and be saved?

You'll be limited in your spiritual growth but you'll be saved if you do not forsake Christ

Explain John 13:34 below.

34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

According to the verse above, if I decide not to associate and exhort loyal worshippers of God who are not in error, will I obey Jesus command to love one another? Will I be saved?

elated177:
I love this.

Isaiah 45: 19 I have not spoken in secret,
    from somewhere in a land of darkness;
I have not said to Jacob’s descendants,
    ‘Seek me in vain.’
I, YHVH, speak the truth;
    I declare what is right.

20 “Gather together and come;
    assemble, you fugitives from the nations.
Ignorant are those who carry about idols of wood,
    who pray to gods that cannot save.
21 Declare what is to be, present it—
    let them take counsel together.
Who foretold this long ago,
    who declared it from the distant past?
Was it not I, YHVH?
    And there is no God apart from me,
a righteous God and a Savior;
    there is none but me.

I actually love the bold.
how do trinitarian manovre their way through it. and those who say he was with God...... explain to me

elated177:
1 Kings 20:;23 Meanwhile, the officials of the king of Aram advised him, “Their gods are gods of the hills. That is why they were too strong for us. But if we fight them on the plains, surely we will be stronger than they.

1 Kings 20: 28 The man of God came up and told the king of Israel, “This is what YHVH says: ‘Because the Arameans think YHVH is a god of the hills and not a god of the valleys, I will deliver this vast army into your hands, and you will know that I am YHVH.’”

finish the story, did he deliver them?

elated177:
Deut 4:15 You saw no form of any kind the day YHVH spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below.

those who say Jesus is God, gather here...

explain to us what this means..

Sonmvayina, I don't know about Jesus, but I know that Yahushua the Messiah is God. He is the embodiment of the Ten Commandments of YHVH Almighty. Without obedience to the Ten Commandments of YHVH Almighty, you have no salvation.

So, I don't follow Jesus. I follow Yahushua the Messiah - the Word and begotten Son of YHVH Almighty, the one and only true God, the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them.

Sonmvayina, the Scripture is there for you to.read the full story for yourself.

Sonmvayina,

John 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with YHVH, and the Word was YHVH. 2 He was with YHVH in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Have you ever read the Book John? Read the Book and come back and tell me your experience.

By the way, John, one of the disciples of Yahushua the Messiah, probably the youngest among them, was the twin brother of James. The Messiah, at one point, called them the sons of thunder. It was him who rested his head on the shoulder of Yahushua the Messiah.

Matthew 11: 28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

Matthew 10: 37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

Truthseeker10, the righteous walk is an individual one.

elated177:
Matthew 11: 28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

Matthew 10: 37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

Truthseeker10, the righteous walk is an individual one.

Explain John 13:34, 35.

elated177:
Sonmvayina,

John 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with YHVH, and the Word was YHVH. 2 He was with YHVH in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Have you ever read the Book John? Read the Book and come back and tell me your experience.

By the way, John, one of the disciples of Yahushua the Messiah, probably the youngest among them, was the twin brother of James. The Messiah, at one point, called them the sons of thunder. It was him who rested his head on the shoulder of Yahushua the Messiah.

exactly my points all these while, it is a christian idea, because it is not found anywhere in the Jewish scriptures. it is a christian teaching/ideology. i don't think the christian follow the God of the Tanakh or the Jews. They follow an invented God. They invented Jesus as the son of God all idea the borrowed from Greek philosophy...

elated177:
Sonmvayina, the Scripture is there for you to.read the full story for yourself.

The Tanakh speaks of only one God, where did the christian get the idea of three in one god. this is one of the reason i left Christianity. it is idolatry. The Romans created a go9d in their own image and deceived the world to worship him......
i can smell a lie from far..

elated177:
Sonmvayina, I don't know about Jesus, but I know that Yahushua the Messiah is God. He is the embodiment of the Ten Commandments of YHVH Almighty. Without obedience to the Ten Commandments of YHVH Almighty, you have no salvation.

So, I don't follow Jesus. I follow Yahushua the Messiah - the Word and begotten Son of YHVH Almighty, the one and only true God, the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them.

how did you know? when did God reveal this information or idea.....?

Truthseeker10:
Lol....So I can spread lies about the nature of God and be saved?

The question has nothing to do with the discussion. We're talking about leaving a congregation. Not about spreading anything. Keep to the lane.

Explain John 13:34 below.

34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

According to the verse above, if I decide not to associate and exhort loyal worshippers of God who are not in error, will I obey Jesus command to love one another? Will I be saved?

I don't know why you're directing that' question at me. Did I ever say you shouldn't associate with loyal worshippers of God?

LordReed:
That is incorrect, you are NOT relying on people that were there. You mentioned Josephus, who was not there. The Dead Sea Scrolls are dated to around 200BCE, 400 years after the supposed book was written so no you are not even remotely relying on anybody who was there.

BTW the issue with Isaiah has been known for more than 200 years so it is not a recent development.

Nobody is claiming Josephus was “there.” The point about Flavius Josephus is that by the first century AD, the Jews already accepted Isaiah as a unified prophetic book. That shows what the tradition was long before modern skepticism. Flavius himself only documented what was passed down by those who were there.

As for the Dead Sea Scrolls, yes, the Great Isaiah Scroll (1QIsaa) is dated around 125–150 BCE. But that argument actually weakens your position, not strengthens it. Because the scroll contains ALL 66 chapters in one continuous manuscript. No break. No “Second Isaiah” label. No evidence of separate circulation. By 2nd century BCE, Isaiah was already a single, stable book.

And saying “this issue has been known for 200 years” doesn’t make it correct. The documentary hypothesis about Moses is also 200+ years old and heavily debated. Age of a theory is not proof of its accuracy. What matters is manuscript evidence. And manuscript evidence does not show multiple Isaiahs — that’s a literary hypothesis built on assumptions about prophecy.

I did present evidence but if you mean archeological evidence then you just shot yourself in the foot because we have no manuscript older than the Dead Sea scrolls which are dated to around 200BCE, 400 years after the supposed book was written.

These are not ordinary views. These are the views of the people who studied the Hebrew manuscripts not the obviously biased English translations you rely on.

No, you didn't present any evidence. You presented [b]People's views[/b]as evidence. Views can never be admitted as evidence for anything.

This “no manuscript older than DSS” argument applies to almost every ancient text in existence. We do not have original manuscripts of Herodotus, Plato, or Thucydides either. Their earliest copies are centuries after they lived. That’s normal in ancient literature. So if you use that logic consistently, you must throw away most of classical history.

Second, textual scholars who study Hebrew manuscripts do not have an earlier “proto-Deutero-Isaiah scroll” to show us. There is no archaeological discovery of “Isaiah 40–55 only” as a separate book. The Dead Sea Scrolls show unity, not division.

Also, this debate is not about English translations. The Hebrew text of Isaiah 40–66 is preserved in the same manuscript tradition as chapters 1–39. The Masoretic Text and the Dead Sea Scroll Isaiah text are substantially aligned. So let’s not pretend this is about biased English Bibles. The theory of multiple authors is a literary-critical proposal, not a manuscript discovery

The reasoning that eludes you is this isn't a book prophesying jack. It is so obviously a book attempting to retcon the Hebrews post Babylon exilic experience and lay over it the drive towards the re-emerging Jewish faith. Go read about how most of the Old Testament is dated to the writings of anonymous Jewish authors after the Babylon exile.

This is where the real issue shows. The argument assumes prophecy cannot happen. Once you assume that, then of course you must say it’s “retcon.”

But that is a philosophical starting point, not historical evidence.

Isaiah 45 explicitly names Cyrus the Great and says he will release captives and rebuild Jerusalem. Historically, Cyrus conquered Babylon in 539 BCE and issued decrees allowing exiles to return and rebuild temples (including Jerusalem’s). That’s not disputed history.

So the question is simple:
Either the text predicted it, or it was written after the fact.

There is no manuscript that says, “Written in 539 BCE after Cyrus.” That date is inferred because of a prior commitment that predictive prophecy is impossible. If you remove that philosophical bias, the argument collapses into a possibility claim, not proof.

And saying “most of the Old Testament was written anonymously after exile” is an oversimplified academic generalization. Even within critical scholarship, dating varies widely. There is no universal agreement on exact dates.

Talk about reasoning, are you telling me that this your god who said he killed 42 children just for mocking his prophet would leave a whole king to give his glory to another god?

Elisha cursed kids. He's the one to answer to that. A curse is an empowerment for demons to operate. How exactly does that concern God?

He was awed to see his name but still credits it to Marduk?

You are mixing categories.

The Bible never says Cyrus converted to Yahweh. Isaiah 45 actually says Cyrus did not know Him. The prophecy is about God using a pagan ruler as an instrument, not about Cyrus becoming a worshipper.

Now about the Cyrus Cylinder — yes, Cyrus credits Marduk for his victory over Babylon. That is completely expected. Ancient Near Eastern kings always credited their national god in inscriptions. That was political propaganda language of the time.

It would actually be shocking if a Persian emperor wrote, “Yahweh did this,” when addressing Babylonians. The cylinder was meant for Babylonian audiences. Of course he would frame it in Marduk language.

The Bible’s claim is theological — that Yahweh was sovereign behind the scenes. The cylinder is royal propaganda. Those two are not mutually exclusive unless you assume ancient kings always gave objective theological reports in political inscriptions.

In Isaiah 37/38, Senecharib claimed his gods gave him all the lands he conquered and that he'll conquer Jerusalem like one of them. But God spoke through Isaiah that He was the One who fashioned Senecharib long before he was born. He fashioned him to spoil nations and conquer territories. Meanwhile, he attributed it to himself and his gods. Nebuchadnezzar did the same. Meanwhile, God said He was the One who made him strong. So,b there are many instances of humans acting extraordinarily and attributing it to something else without knowing that they were merely being used by God.

Like I said the dearth of direct archeological evidence is a big problem for your position as well. Meanwhile the Cyrus cylinder indicts the Bible as a bearer of tall tales…

The Deutero and Trito Isaiah claims have solid basis for them and make more sense than the claims of so-called prophesy.

There is no archaeological evidence that “Deutero-Isaiah” existed as a separate book. That theory is based on stylistic differences and historical assumptions. It is not based on a discovered second scroll signed “Anonymous Prophet 540 BCE.”

Meanwhile, the archaeological evidence we do have — the Great Isaiah Scroll — shows textual unity centuries before Christ.

So let’s be honest: both positions interpret the same data differently. One starts with “prophecy is possible,” the other starts with “prophecy is impossible.” That’s the real dividing line.

Calling prophecy “retcon” does not prove it is. It simply reflects your starting assumption.

If you want to argue stylistic variation, fine — that’s a literary discussion. But don’t present it as archaeological demolition of Isaiah. The archaeology we have does not split the book. It preserves it as one.

Abeg, make we argue with consistency. If manuscript gaps disqualify Isaiah, then they disqualify most of ancient history too. If royal propaganda disproves theology, then no ancient religious claim survives scrutiny.

At the end of the day, the Deutero-Isaiah theory is a respected academic hypothesis. But it is still a hypothesis — not a smoking gun discovery that “Isaiah 45 is a lie.”

Prophets of old usually write their prophesies using scribes who own down what they said. They don't do the writing themselves. So, if Isaiah changed his scribe towards the end of the book, they style and the toning could change to match that of the new writer.

Change of styles and tones are not evidences.

And conclusively, the dead sea scrolls are a collections of books. And before a collection can happen, the individual books must have existed before the collection. And each book could have existed even centuries before the collection happened. You cannot use the dead sea scrolls dating to date the book of Isaiah that have existed before the scrolls were collected.

MaxInDHouse:
Quote where this is in the scriptures let everyone see what you are claiming so they can know you are deceiving yourself.

Galatians 1:17:

Paul said:

"I did not go up to Jerusalem to those who had become apostles before me; instead I went to Arabia and came back to Damascus".

That's the Bible verse. So, you're the one deceiving yourself.

Did Paul deliberately disassociate himself from among true believers or something happened that caused it?😀

Yes, he did it deliberately. No one sent him away. God never instructed him to do so.

FxMasterz:
The question has nothing to do with the discussion. We're talking about leaving a congregation. Not about spreading anything. Keep to the lane.




I don't know why you're directing that' question at me. Did I ever say you shouldn't associate with loyal worshippers of God?

Look at this cunning man. Were you not the one that has been talking about the requirements for salvation?

So you spreading lies about the nature of God is not a hindrance to your salvation?

If You disobey Jesus command to love one another by associating and exhorting those who are not in error, will you be saved?

FxMasterz:
Galatians 1:17:
Paul said:
"I did not go up to Jerusalem to those who had become apostles before me; instead I went to Arabia and came back to Damascus".
That's the Bible verse. So, you're the one deceiving yourself.
Yes, he did it deliberately. No one sent him away. God never instructed him to do so.

You don't even understand what it means to DISASSOCIATE oneself.
Paul was a missionary that Jesus sent to go from one country to another {Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7} to help faithful Judaists become Christians in different places and to build congregations.
So according to God's word did Paul deliberately disassociate himself from other faithful Christians?🙂

Ọmọ read what you quoted again:

But when God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through his undeserved kindness, thought good to reveal his Son through me so that I might declare the good news about him to the nations, I did not immediately consult with any human; nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before I was, but I went to Arabia, and then I returned to Damascus Galatians 1:5-7

So if Paul was living in Jerusalem and not being a missionary he must never disassociate himself from other faithful Christians that's what he himself taught others unless you want to claim Paul has double standards! Hebrews 10:24-25

Truthseeker10, what is there to explain in John 13:34, 35? Is it different from the instruction that we should love our neighbors as we love ourselves?

Sonmvayina/mindhacker, have you read the entire Book of John like I advised you to do?

elated177:
Truthseeker10, what is there to explain in John 13:34, 35? Is it different from the instruction that we should love our neighbors as we love ourselves?

You mean those verses says that every neighbor you love is a disciple of Yeshua?

elated177:
Sonmvayina/mindhacker, have you read the entire Book of John like I advised you to do?

which book of John? the "God spell" or the epistles?
they are all forgeries by Greek or Roman Christians, for the purpose of theology. why should I waste my time?