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izzou:
Someone who just decamped to ADC in 2025, wants to educate us on Opposition.

A Buharist for that matter

Hypocrisy for you, hypocrisy for them, no hypocrisy for me....
That man is just as bad as the rest of em....

Ellexy:
The entire podcast is about 4hrs plus and I haven't found the time to watch it all just parts here and there.

Yep, break it into segments...

AnfieldFan:
If the US does indeed move on Iran,(seems preparations are underway), they better have a solid plan, framework, succession strategy to deal with or at least, contain the fallout...



If the plan is Reza Pahlavi(this one go pass figurehead ), it should be a temporary plan... Transitional government phase giving way to a proper democracy...

And so it begins.....

GloriousGbola:
Funny enough we have had enough civil wars in our past history as yorubas. Homogenity did not stop that.

Operation wetie was Yoruba on Yoruba violence within the south West.

That is the normal conquest war that happened pre-civilization which happened almost everywhere on the planet from Rome to Greece to Ile Ife to Dahomey to Mali empire etc.

I am talking about a real country/nation that is homogenous and living in peace in this civilization era.

Look at countries like Lesotho, Botswana, Swaziland, etc. These countries are homogenous ethnically and you barely hear anything about them being at each other's necks. As small as tbey may seem, tbey are ruling themselves and making their own little progress without the kind of suspicious hostility we have towards each other in a country like Nigeria.

If we go farther from Africa and look at other homogenous countries like Japan, Poland, etc they are all doing well for themselves...... That's why I say using just South Sudan and Somalia that are outliers in the data set doesn't cut it for me.

AnfieldFan:
And so it begins.....

Give us update abeg

Update : I Don see am.

Na to wait for Lord Adam and Okpa's epistle upon epistle in the next few days 🤩

BlueRayDick:
PS: I don't know if they are right or not, but people clamoring for Nigeria's division along the major ethnic lines are doing so because they have the following beliefs :

1. If for example there's an Igbo nation, a Yoruba nation, Hausa/Fulani nation, etc.... People assume that the declvelopment of these individual nations will be priority to the leaders of each nation instead of selfish motive of embezzling public funds before the country's treasury runs dry like most Nigeria's current leaders are doing.

2. Common people will pay more attention to holding their leaders accountable instead of defending them blindly against criticism from members of other tribes like we currently have in Nigeria. For example: some Yorubas today don't care whatever cilorruption that is going on in Tinubu's government, they are just satisfied a Yoruba man is ruling. They believe if the Hausa/Fulani stock could support Buhari for the full 8 years he was running Nigeria aground while his ministers like Malami, Hadi Sirika, etc plundered the country's resources ; then why can't we Yorubas do the same for Tinubu?

3. It will be easy for citizens of any of the new nation to bandy together to fight against any set of corrupt leaders. The idea of divide and rule which the current Nigerian leaders use that works effectively in a multi ethnic country like Nigeria won't work in the new country.

1. Your example is just the same with a state governor. His own state nko? Imagine Anambra state government sending 100m to the illegal Ex IGP son. His own people's money oh...No northerner or Yoruba man was involved in the deal.

2. Common people never even hold their governors accountable for anything. How dem wan take hold their national government accountable?

3. When you divide, then you will see Divide and Rule between Anambra and Imo, Ibadan and Oyo, Urhobo and Itsekiris. There's always something to be divided in Nigeria.

My point it, in our little circles, there's no accountability. It will be no different from what's happening now if we divide.

izzou:
1. Your example is just the same with a state governor. His own state nko? Imagine Anambra state government sending 100m to the illegal Ex IGP son. His own people's money oh...No northerner or Yoruba man was involved in the deal.

2. Common people never even hold their governors accountable for anything. How dem wan take hold their national government accountable?

3. When you divide, then you will see Divide and Rule between Anambra and Imo, Ibadan and Oyo, Urhobo and Itsekiris. There's always something to be divided in Nigeria.

My point it, in our little circles, there's no accountability. It will be no different from what's happening now if we divide.

Well, we will never know what may be or not except the division truly happens.

BlueRayDick:
Well, we will never know what may be or not except the division truly happens.

They created a SEDC. Every member on the board is Igbo.

Gave them 140 billion for 2025.

Baba first wipe 450 million on conferences.

Then 2026 budget, has him setting aside billions on CCTV and Drones

When we divide Nigeria, na this kind person go still rule us.

BlueRayDick:
Give us update abeg

Update : I Don see am.

Na to wait for Lord Adam and Okpa's epistle upon epistle in the next few days 🤩

Lol. Which epistle kwanu?
Last year na Israel first attack Iran unprovoked in the middle of negotiations. Iran returned the favour and Netanyahu started begging AMERICA to intervene & help defend Israel.
America joined the party but soon ran out of interceptor missiles & sued for peace.

So far so good, theirs no confirmed casualty from the political & military leadership. Let's wait for the fireworks from the IRGC.

Seankafor don miss dis one

izzou:
1. Your example is just the same with a state governor. His own state nko? Imagine Anambra state government sending 100m to the illegal Ex IGP son. His own people's money oh...No northerner or Yoruba man was involved in the deal.

2. Common people never even hold their governors accountable for anything. How dem wan take hold their national government accountable?

3. When you divide, then you will see Divide and Rule between Anambra and Imo, Ibadan and Oyo, Urhobo and Itsekiris. There's always something to be divided in Nigeria.

My point it, in our little circles, there's no accountability. It will be no different from what's happening now if we divide.

when what is uniting people is a common enemy - take away the enemy and they fall to fighting among themselves

izzou:
They created a SEDC. Every member on the board is Igbo.

Gave them 140 billion for 2025.

Baba first wipe 450 million on conferences.

Then 2026 budget, has him setting aside billions on CCTV and Drones

When we divide Nigeria, na this kind person go still rule us.

You are not getting it. SEDC was created under the current Nigerian arrangement.

Most Igbos would not attack the members because they feel it is just Igbos eating their own portion of the national cake which Niger Deltans have been eating since creation of NDDC.

I'm saying if there's an Igbo state for example governing only Igbos, the people will drag their leaders and ask them pertinent questions on why their commonwealth is being eaten by the minority who are leaders. The people can go to any extra mile to bring the people responsible to justice.

BlueRayDick:
Give us update abeg

Update : I Don see am.

Na to wait for Lord Adam and Okpa's epistle upon epistle in the next few days 🤩

You sef, you like trouble pass fight 😂😂

But the truth is, despite how you feel about their opinions, their is a validity to some of their takes...

What is the end goal here, Iran won't be occupied, and I don't think Trump and his Cabinet are competent enough to topple this regime and transition it properly...
This is just my initial thought though, they may have made preparations on who to install and how to run the government without a lot of conflicts within, we can't know until we get there...

P.S- I thought Venezuela would be a much more violent aftermath but it's been relatively normal, so Trump and Netanyahu might just surprise us again....

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Lol. Which epistle kwanu?
Last year na Israel first attack Iran unprovoked in the middle of negotiations. Iran returned the favour and Netanyahu started begging AMERICA to intervene & help defend Israel.
America joined the party but soon ran out of interceptor missiles & sued for peace.

So far so good, theirs no confirmed casualty from the political & military leadership. Let's wait for the fireworks from the IRGC.

Seankafor don miss dis one

Well, this one Trump has said it is a joint operation between US and Israel na, so there's no begging here. Seems the US and Israel are on the same page on this.

We will definitely get the body count figures sooner or later. Just that when the body count starts, we won't see the number of combatants Iran u alive but epistles upon epistles

AnfieldFan:
You sef, you like trouble pass fight 😂😂

But the truth is, despite how you feel about their opinions, their is a validity to some of their takes...

What is the end goal here, Iran won't be occupied, and I don't think Trump and his Cabinet are competent enough to topple this regime and transition it properly...
This is just my initial thought though, they may have made preparations on who to install and how to run the government without a lot of conflicts within, we can't know until we get there...

P.S- I thought Venezuela would be a much more violent aftermath but it's been relatively normal, so Trump and Netanyahu might just surprise us again....

Let's just watch as things unfold sha

AnfieldFan:
You sef, you like trouble pass fight 😂😂

But the truth is, despite how you feel about their opinions, their is a validity to some of their takes...

What is the end goal here, Iran won't be occupied, and I don't think Trump and his Cabinet are competent enough to topple this regime and transition it properly...
This is just my initial thought though, they may have made preparations on who to install and how to run the government without a lot of conflicts within, we can't know until we get there...

P.S- I thought Venezuela would be a much more violent aftermath but it's been relatively normal, so Trump and Netanyahu might just surprise us again....

Iran is like three times the size of Ukraine.
Have one of the hardest & complicated terrain for invasion force. So literally, a land invasion is out of the way.
What happened to Maduro is that the VP and his military sold him out. Obviously, if such option is available in Iran/IRGC the Israeli and American missiles and drones will not be striking Tehran today, and the IDF opening all bomb shelters in Israel. Also closing their airspace.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Iran is like three times the size of Ukraine.
Have one of the hardest & complicated terrain for invasion force. So literally, a land invasion is out of the way.
What happened to Maduro is that the VP and his military sold him out. Obviously, if such option is available in Iran/IRGC the Israeli and American missiles and drones will not be striking Tehran today, and the IDF opening all bomb shelters in Israel. Also closing their airspace.

You no go like wait to see the end game instead of making ill thought speculations?

BlueRayDick:
PS: I don't know if they are right or not, but people clamoring for Nigeria's division along the major ethnic lines are doing so because they have the following beliefs :

1. If for example there's an Igbo nation, a Yoruba nation, Hausa/Fulani nation, etc.... People assume that the declvelopment of these individual nations will be priority to the leaders of each nation instead of selfish motive of embezzling public funds before the country's treasury runs dry like most Nigeria's current leaders are doing.

2. Common people will pay more attention to holding their leaders accountable instead of defending them blindly against criticism from members of other tribes like we currently have in Nigeria. For example: some Yorubas today don't care whatever cilorruption that is going on in Tinubu's government, they are just satisfied a Yoruba man is ruling. They believe if the Hausa/Fulani stock could support Buhari for the full 8 years he was running Nigeria aground while his ministers like Malami, Hadi Sirika, etc plundered the country's resources ; then why can't we Yorubas do the same for Tinubu?

3. It will be easy for citizens of any of the new nation to bandy together to fight against any set of corrupt leaders. The idea of divide and rule which the current Nigerian leaders use that works effectively in a multi ethnic country like Nigeria won't work in the new country.

Your 2nd and 3rd Points are the reasons smaller nation states are more attractive and can maybe work compared to our current reality...

Another argument to be made is that, Nigeria is over 60 and it is incredibly clear that in another 60 years, it won't get better than it is now.. Who knows, maybe trying something different will have a better outcome when common issues work themselves out...

If completely dividing is a hard no(I don't think dividing solves any thing now), a confederal system could be soft tested for some decades..

The plan is to destabilize the country enough that it's people can take over.

Kinda like he will give Iranian people bread and butter it's up to them to make the toast. I'm not sure they will be as mistaken to put troops on ground like Iraq or Afghanistan. That's a wasteful enterprise

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Lol. Which epistle kwanu?
Last year na Israel first attack Iran unprovoked in the middle of negotiations. Iran returned the favour and Netanyahu started begging AMERICA to intervene & help defend Israel.
America joined the party but soon ran out of interceptor missiles & sued for peace.

So far so good, theirs no confirmed casualty from the political & military leadership. Let's wait for the fireworks from the IRGC.

Seankafor don miss dis one

Begging is a stretch. America and Israel are joined at the hip. I wouldn't use the word begging. You don't beg the willing. Their bond is sacrosanct. And that's on both parties for those that try to make it about Trump

If Iran can somehow defeat Israel and the US. That will be a generational upset. And by defeat I mean survive a regime change

BlueRayDick:
You no go like wait to see the end game instead of making ill thought speculations?

Which other end game. Henceforth all other valuable Iranian political and military leadership will be moved to an underground secure Bunker. So far the first strike/assassination failed, Israel and US don lose the advantage that comes with a first surprise strike package.

The IRGC don already dey fire missiles, no time to check time. Iran have been preparing for a war against Israel/US for the past 47years. That's why they have proxy forces all around ISRAEL. FROM Hezbollah, Hamas, Yemeni Houthis

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Iran is like three times the size of Ukraine.
Have one of the hardest & complicated terrain for invasion force. So literally, a land invasion is out of the way.
What happened to Maduro is that the VP and his military sold him out. Obviously, if such option is available in Iran/IRGC the Israeli and American missiles and drones will not be striking Tehran today, and the IDF opening all bomb shelters in Israel. Also closing their airspace.

I wouldn't use the phrase "Sold Out", more like saved their own skins...
But that notwithstanding, Maduro had been in charge of Venezuela for a while so I thought his loyalists(think of a separate militia funded by him_and he has them) would make things difficult, but it seems the US did some behind the scenes deals that made the whole operation/transition smooth...

And on another note, an unpopular dictator is an unpopular dictator,once you cross the rubicon of killing your people, starving your people, you deserve any and everything you get.. If not here on earth, then maybe in the afterlife...

And this applies to even those doing this while masquerading under Democracy...

BlueRayDick:
You are not getting it. SEDC was created under the current Nigerian arrangement.

Most Igbos would not attack the members because they feel it is just Igbos eating their own portion of the national cake which Niger Deltans have been eating since creation of NDDC.

I'm saying if there's an Igbo state for example governing only Igbos, the people will drag their leaders and ask them pertinent questions on why their commonwealth is being eaten by the minority who are leaders. The people can go to any extra mile to bring the people responsible to justice.

I am sure you will recall Peter obis documented bias towards catholics

https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/09/26/divided-anambra-gov-obis-legacy/

i was looking for something else and i found this

https://guardian.ng/news/nigeria/metro/association-of-non-indigenes-welfare-decries-alleged-profiling-by-anambra-govt/

The Association of Non-Indigenes Welfare, led by Chief Great Ikechukwu Ugwuoke, has condemned the Anambra State government’s alleged profiling of its members as being responsible for a majority of criminal activities in the state.

This reaction came in response to comments made by the state’s Commissioner for Information, Dr Law Mefor, during Ugwuoke’s visit.

Mefor had claimed that available data pointed to non-indigenes as the primary perpetrators of crime in the state. However, the association has refuted this claim, stating that it keeps a register of its members and that individuals who come into the state, commit crimes, and leave cannot be considered part of their community.

The association, which operates in all 21 local councils in the state, has coordinators overseeing local communities.

Ugwuoke argued that the ongoing profiling and labelling of non-indigenes as key contributors to crime was a legacy of previous administrations. He pointed out that many non-indigenes involved in criminal activities are either not residents or are not registered with the association.

If I were Multipro, I would sue that girl for opening and drinking Hypo on TikTok

Whether she kpai or not isn't my business.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Which other end game. Henceforth all other valuable Iranian political and military leadership will be moved to an underground secure Bunker. So far the first strike/assassination failed, Israel and US don lose the advantage that comes with a first surprise strike package.

The IRGC don already dey fire missiles, no time to check time. Iran have been preparing for a war against Israel/US for the past 47years. That's why they have proxy forces all around ISRAEL. FROM Hezbollah, Hamas, Yemeni Houthis

The problem is u are seeing things in just one dimension. Do you think Israel/America actually wants to assassinate the Iranian leader?

They obviously want to distabilize the country such that the citizens will be forced to take over the country themselves. Why do you think the son of the shah has been appearing on TV more frequently to do state address to the Iranian people?

izzou:
If I were Multipro, I would sue that girl for opening and drinking Hypo on TikTok

Whether she kpai or not isn't my business.

expected response

it was not hypo - it was a stunt . i am an entertainer
also i have anxiety, fear and a tendency to self harm.
i want3d the very dark bully to stop harassing me so i did this

GloriousGbola:
I am sure you will recall Peter obis documented bias towards catholics

https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/09/26/divided-anambra-gov-obis-legacy/

i was looking for something else and i found this

https://guardian.ng/news/nigeria/metro/association-of-non-indigenes-welfare-decries-alleged-profiling-by-anambra-govt/

You have veered off our discussion about countries who are homogenous in ethnicity and religion that are actually doing well as against Somalia and South Sudan examples you gave earlier.

I don't do this kind of discussions/arguments where u will abandon our subject matter and be talking about something that happened under the current Nigerian system.

GloriousGbola:
expected response

it was not hypo - it was a stunt . i am an entertainer
also i have anxiety, fear and a tendency to self harm.
i want3d the very dark bully to stop harassing me so i did this

Doesn't matter oh

We really need to curb some of these foolishness. There are kids on TikTok for Heaven's sake

BlueRayDick:
You have veered off our discussion about countries who are homogenous in ethnicity and religion that are actually doing well as against Somalia and South Sudan examples you gave earlier.

I don't do this kind of discussions/arguments where u will abandon our subject matter and be talking about something that happened under the current Nigerian system.

i think it is relevant because it is what is happening in a microcosm

if you have internal divisions in what should be tribal homogeneous states ,
tagging of non indigenes of your tribe as criminals (what is the difference between that and anti immigrant rhetoric? )

i remember one time people from SE were always calling out and blaming Ngwa as criminals on political threads
it already shows you what will happen if you get a homogeneous nation state of just your tribe.

We are all equal, but some of us are more equal than others

A40:
Begging is a stretch. America and Israel are joined at the hip. I wouldn't use the word begging. You don't beg the willing. Their bond is sacrosanct. And that's on both parties for those that try to make it about Trump

If Iran can somehow defeat Israel and the US. That will be a generational upset. And by defeat I mean survive a regime change

Iran already defeated Israel and US last year.
Regime change operation failed, nuclear facilities and HEU still very safe. So that is a massive military victory for Iran.

izzou:
Doesn't matter oh

We really need to curb some of these foolishness. There are kids on TikTok for Heaven's sake

i was talking about the need to start banning these people from social media, and the need to start taking the owners of these platforms responsible for incentivizing behavior like this

this actually happened


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFk-rMPJuOA

tide pod challenge
milk crate challenge

AnfieldFan:
I wouldn't use the phrase "Sold Out", more like saved their own skins...
But that notwithstanding, Maduro had been in charge of Venezuela for a while so I thought his loyalists(think of a separate militia funded by him_and he has them) would make things difficult, but it seems the US did some behind the scenes deals that made the whole operation/transition smooth...

And on another note, an unpopular dictator is an unpopular dictator,once you cross the rubicon of killing your people, starving your people, you deserve any and everything you get.. If not here on earth, then maybe in the afterlife...

And this applies to even those doing this while masquerading under Democracy...

You made a valid point. It seems Maduro didn't align himself with the people. At least, we ought to be seeing nation wide resistance group attacking US interest and their allies in Venezuela. Nothing happened. That was a very smooth victory from the Americans.
With Libya, we saw different warlords claiming territory and supremacy. Nothing like that happened in Venezuela.

This is the more reason why I believe Israel and US will fail against Iran. US is on mission to cut off Chinese oil supply route, isolate & deny China access to rare earth minerals.

GloriousGbola:
i think it is relevant because it is what is happening in a microcosm

if you have internal divisions in what should be tribal homogeneous states ,
tagging of non indigenes of your tribe as criminals (what is the difference between that and anti immigrant rhetoric? )

i remember one time people from SE were always calling out and blaming Ngwa as criminals on political threads
it already shows you what will happen if you get a homogeneous nation state of just your tribe.

We are all equal, but some of us are more equal than others

Just today today, as I am typing now, there is currently violence at Ijanikin in Lagos

Two tribes are fighting; Aworis and (I can't remember the other one)

Broken windshields, vandalized cars etc are everywhere. The Nigerian Army and Police just intervened. I heard it started around 2am, but as at 6am, there was traffic because of the clash.

We see these things everywhere. Communal clashes that cannot be settled.

I don't see how we will suddenly love ourselves when we break up. Infact, we will give a voice to those minorities to even speak up and look for their own path