₦airaland Forum

lawani:
If the coup was not planned to take place in his headquarters at Ibadan, he will probably still be alive today as an old man. He would have lived to train his children. He was killed because he obstructed the counter coupists. They had no other reason to kill him. He did not kill any of them and he didn't participate in any coup and there are people who actually participated in the coup that lived to an old age. If such people had been western region governor they would have stood a chance of being killed like Fajuyi because naturally they will not agree to handover their guest and boss to the mutineers

I guess if you were the governor, you would have immediately cooperated and handed over your boss and guest

Okay no problem he was killed by northern soldiers for obstructing the coup,he did not give his life like the lies always propagate by Yorubas.


Remember I only confronted you because you claimed he gave his life for Igbo man.

Buhari started this unfortunate divisive government where he feels his clowns around him should occupy all the positions and the confused one there right now is following same pattern.

aybabz101:
They call us cowards....but the only general who stood his ground for Ironsi was Fajuyi and paid with his life. The other one led a civil war and fled after the death of 3 million people.

During Abacha reign, Abiola came into Nigeria to fight for his mandate. he was arrested and died for it.....

Tinubu and co fought strategically and gallantly against Abacha...while some other persons were being awarded Apapa contract....

The civil war was led from the Nigerian front by Obasanjo and Black scorpion while Banjo fought from the Biafra front. ....

Yorubas are not cowards, we never were, we are not and we will never be.... The thing is we don't fight unreasonable wars... when u push us to the wall, we respond, and when we do, then know that victory is undeniable....

I don't believe Yorubas are cowards or any stereotypes, but using one man as an example to prove why Yorubas are not cowards is not logical.

Nefort:
I don't believe Yorubas are cowards or any stereotypes, but using one man as an example to prove why Yorubas are not cowards is not logical.

Kindly go through my message again. I made mention of majour figures there including Abiola, obasanjo, banjo, .....etc....

loveth360:
Okay no problem he was killed by northern soldiers for obstructing the coup,he did not give his life like the lies always propagate by Yorubas.


Remember I only confronted you because you claimed he gave his life for Igbo man.

If your father died trying to stop someone from molesting you, what will you call that? People who die in war for your nation did what?

shortgun:
You are very ignorant and swallow.
The name Biafra was derived from the Bight of Biafra... a recognized geographical term long before the civil war. Nations are not required to bear names in a local dialect to have legitimacy. Many countries across the world have names that predate their modern ethnic compositions.

You are the deluded one if you think during wartime a sovereign entity should not issues its own currency. It's idiotic for a government fighting for survival continue to rely on the currency of it's enemies.
Every decision His Excellency General Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu took was very perfect in every since. This is why he remains our hero till infinity. You can go and die

It's in the blood

gidgiddy:
So if Ironsi abolished the Region's, what were Fajuyi, Ojukwu, Katsina and Ejoor governing the day Ironsi was killed?

You don't ever get tired of these your revisionist tales by moonlight. Ironsi broke the regions down into provinces which he regrouped and redefined as groups of provinces now headed by these four military governors you have listed above. When Gowon took over, he began to reverse the groups of provinces back to their original regional forms but in the process of so doing Ojukwu declared Biafra and to frustrate Ojukwu's moves, Gowon had to halt his restoration of the regions and then break them down to states to weaken Ojukwu. So anyhow you choose to look at it, it was Ironsi that first tampered with the original and actual regional structure before anyone else took it further. So stop all this your beer parlour revisionism stories and kiss the known truth for once so that the devil will be ashamed.

gidgiddy:
Im not after what Ironsi is purported to have said, Im after what he did. If Ironsi abolished the 4 Regions Nigeria had, why did he still have 4 Regional Military Governors the day he died?

Did you read the Ironsi's National Broadcast that the monicker shared? It is clearly stated there by Ironsi himself that those governors were in charge of groups of provinces and not regions. Please read it again but slowly.

Nefort:
I don't believe Yorubas are cowards or any stereotypes, but using one man as an example to prove why Yorubas are not cowards is not logical.

So what examples exist to justify the rhetoric that Yoruba are cowards since one example is not enough to say the Yoruba shouldn't be stereotyped as cowards?. I can list numerous examples of brave acts by Yoruba people in ancient and modern history. To people like you not fighting when you have no weapons is cowardice.

gidgiddy:
The question is simple. If Ironsi abolished the 4 Regions Nigeria had, what Regions were Katsina, Fajuyi, Ejoor and Ojukwu governing the day Ironsi died?

Ironsi was killed alongside the Military Governor of the Western Region, Fajuyi. How was Fajuyi still Military Governor of the Western Region if Ironsi had already abolished the Regions?

It seems being an IPOB element means 2 things
1) Your intelligence disappears
2) You lie uncontrollablly.

You are being malicious with your silly lies because no one said the drunkard called Ironsi abolished the regions. What Nigerians are telling you is that Ironsi took away the power from the regions and centralised it on his table with his decree 34 that was written by Igbos officers and an Igbo civilian from the university

spiSeyi:
After going through the history of the coup I understood why there shouldn't be Nigeria in the first place. Guess what , Akintola and Tafawa Balewa caused this coup. If you read our story since 1956 till date you will realize that nothing has changed in our political scene. Tafawa Balewa declared state of emergency in the western region just like Tinubu did in Rivers and that was one of the reasons that provoked the kaki boys. Awolowo & Zik fvckup big time , there shouldn't have been a country called Nigeria in the first place

Did Awolowo join Azikiwe in preaching the doctrine of the non-negotiability and perpetuity of the unity of Nigeria?

discusant:
Nigeria tribalism worsens as the years go by.

Presidents from the SW worsen Nigeria.

Obasanjo refused to stamp out sharia in 1999 when Sani Yerima brought it.. Sharia enlarged and became like a cancer.

In 2023, Bola Tinubu emboldened global Jihadists for a Nigeria to be governed with Sharia criminal laws when he took to Muslim-Muslim presidency for the first time since 1999, in a country nearly equally divided between Muslims and Christians.

Obasanjo refused to stamp shari'a out when Yerima and his cheerleaders began the madness. Even Umaru Musa Yaradua became the first governor of a state to officially sign sharia info law in his state. But because of the love for PDP Igbos joined the North and voted massively for Obasanjo for a second term, and again joined the North to vote for Umaru Musa Yaradua for president while Yorubas resisted these two figures. So how is it now the fault of Yorubas that extreme Islamic ideologies are being forced down our throats today in Nigeria?

Deadlytruth:
Did Awolowo join Azikiwe in preaching the doctrine of the non-negotiability and perpetuity of the unity of Nigeria?

The Civil war was an open cheque for the Yoruba to seed when the war broke out and the Biafran soldiers entered Ore . The western region should have declared their own Republic while they push the Biafran army out of Ore, and Awolowo shouldn't have joined Gowon in the fight.

stuffs2002:
It seems being an IPOB element means 2 things
1) Your intelligence disappears
2) You lie uncontrollablly.

You are being malicious with your silly lies because no one said the drunkard called Ironsi abolished the regions. What Nigerians are telling you is that Ironsi took away the power from the regions and centralised it on his table with his decree 34 that was written by Igbos officers and an Igbo civilian from the university

Thats what happens in military rule, it is not democracy where you keep all the powers you have. When you go back to civilian rule, you get those powers back. The decree 34 you people keep talking about was about the civil service

Deadlytruth:
Did you read the Ironsi's National Broadcast that the monicker shared? It is clearly stated there by Ironsi himself that those governors were in charge of groups of provinces and not regions. Please read it again but slowly.

The regime of Ironsi called the Regions 'group of provinces'. That what the Regions were, groups of provinces. The Eastern Region was made up 20 provinces. Its like calling a state a group of LGA's, thats what States are

No matter what Ironsi's regime called the Regions did not change the fact the Regions were still there

Lifestone:
Maybe you should sit down and drink water first.
He made his speech on the 24th of May, 1966 and there were spontaneous rejection of these across the country especially the Northern part. He then embarked on a National tour to meet Regional stakeholders to convince them of the new policy,. It was in the process that he visited South West and was assassinated alongside his host on 29 July 1966, barely 2 months.

So what's your point. As a matter of fact he was actively in pursuit of its implementation when he was killed.

Look for another lie. We will keep bursting you because you are a rivisionist

Thanks for letting everyone know that Ironsi did not abolish the Regions

thesolutions:
Oh shortgun!
I heard he was refining and selling our petrol and crude oil when he took over port Harcourt. I guess your family received benefits from the proceeds of that sales and other businesses.
Did he also queue to collect 20 naira to start life afresh after the war or he used his Biafran currency to charter flights to ivory coast?
Who made Biafra sovereign entity? Was there any UN resolution or AU resolution that recognized it as a sovereign entity and also recognize the currency Ojukwu printed? Can you exchange the currency at the border with any African currency at the border? So your claim of sovereign entity is false.
Biafra was never derived from bight of Biafra. Bight of Biafra covers several countries and it will be rascality for Ojukwu to claim that name for his imaginary nation.
Biafra, just as Nnamdi kanu has told you came from the name of his village Afara in Umuahia where Ojukwu bunker is located. Biafra came from distortion of the Igbo phrase Bia Afara meaning come to Afara where he hid to build his fortress. If you don't believe this, then you should be cursing Nnamdi kanu for distorting the origin of the name.
But what More can I say. You believe he is right in his actions. He is your hero or maybe you wish he is because of your pain that your politicians can not solve. I might think you are transferring aggression on the wrong people.

Stop contradicting yourself. Your hate for Igbos should not drive you to desperate limits. No be die nau.

gidgiddy:
Thats what happens in military rule, it is not democracy where you keep all the powers you have. When you go back to civilian rule, you get those powers back. The decree 34 you people keep talking about was about the civil service

Go and read decree 34 and stop disgracing yourself on nairaland.

Did you think no Nigerian could remember how the drunkard called Ironsi took power and how he was promoting Igbo officers indiscriminately, how Ironsi blocked the other non Igbo officers from being part of the participants to the creation of decree 34, Same drunkard and tribalistic Ironsi that refused to put on trial those Igbo officers that murdered the prime minister and other top leaders of other regions just because those murderous officers were Igbos.

lawani:
Every military government is a unitary government and as an extra, decree 34 unified the civil service. The unification of the civil service was what the majority of onlookers saw as an overreach

And yet when Gowon came in after Ironsi, abolished the 4 Regions, replaced them with 12 states, and abolished resource control, nobody saw it as an overeach because he was a Northerner

Goosethetruth:
After a long break,you are back with your falsehood agenda and propaganda.
You have always shown yourself to be a propaganndist,gaslighter and an enabler of terror on these boards.
Decree 34 of 1966 abolished the regions and centralised everything under Ironsi. It was the begining of centrslisation of everything under Ironsi's tribalistic regime. Check what Ironsi did in the Universities of Lagos and Ibadan. It was total cultural,and educational subjugation and annihilation of the Yoruba in the name of Federalism.
Stop trying to rewrite history please.

You are such a poor student of history.

On the 29th of July 1966, JTU Ironsi was assassinated along side the military Governor of the Western Region (Lt. Col. Fajuyi)

You are so manipulativep this man.

Trustyourself:
You are such a poor student of history.

On the 29th of July 1966, JTU Ironsi was assassinated along side the military Governor of the Western Region (Lt. Col. Fajuyi)

You are so manipulativep this man.

Apparently you have quoted the wrong person or you have comprehension issues. Whichever one is your problem,I unfortunately can't help you.

gidgiddy:
And yet when Gowon came in after Ironsi, abolished the 4 Regions, replaced them with 12 states, and abolished resource control, nobody saw it as an overeach because he was a Northerner

It was the central control of the state or regional civil service that people were against. People did not want their states, regions or whatever to be controlled by non indigenes.

Would you have appointed someone else to govern a region they can't speak their language?

buttlover:
He wasn't biased. He included all tribes to govern their respective regions. Tinubu's government is all about Yoruba

spiSeyi:
The Civil war was an open cheque for the Yoruba to seed when the war broke out and the Biafran soldiers entered Ore . The western region should have declared their own Republic while they push the Biafran army out of Ore, and Awolowo shouldn't have joined Gowon in the fight.

Awolowo never believed in violent breakaway characterized by bloodshed, and that explains why he always sought secession through the parliament by way of moving motions severally for secession clause which Azikiwe and other Igbo leaders frustrated. So arguing that the Ojukwu secession declaration was an opportunity for Awolowo to declare secession of the Western Region too is disingenuous. Awolowo was a leader who strongly felt accountable to those (Yorubas) who believed in him and therefore chose him to lead them. So his responsibility to Yorubas was not only in the aspect of getting them the best dividends of good governance but also never to engage in any action or support any policy that would put the lives of Yorubas in harm's way. No secession project is worth the life or blood of any Western Region citizen in Awolowo's philosophy. This was in sharp contrast to Ojukwu and Azikiwe who didn't mind putting the lives of innocent Igbo civilians on the line in pursuit of a political objective which was obviously very unrealistic. Don't a lot of Igbos now wish today that the civil war never happened?

gidgiddy:
The regime of Ironsi called the Regions 'group of provinces'. That what the Regions were, groups of provinces. The Eastern Region was made up 20 provinces. Its like calling a state a group of LGA's, thats what States are

No matter what Ironsi's regime called the Regions did not change the fact the Regions were still there

The mere fact that he called them groups of provinces simply means that he himself knew he had altered their structure else he would have retained the regions nomenclature. Yes, states are groups of LGAs, however we don't officially call the states like that because the LGAs are actually not autonomous and independent of the State Governments.

gidgiddy:
Thats what happens in military rule, it is not democracy where you keep all the powers you have. When you go back to civilian rule, you get those powers back. The decree 34 you people keep talking about was about the civil service

What is the function of the civil service? Below is what AI has to say:

The civil service plays a crucial role in governance. Key functions include:
- *Policy Implementation*: Execute government policies and programs.
- *Public Service Delivery*: Provide essential services like healthcare, education, and infrastructure.
- *Regulation*: Enforce laws and regulations.
- *Advisory Role*: Offer expert advice to ministers and government officials.
- *Administration*: Manage public resources, including finances and personnel.
In Nigeria, civil servants operate at federal, state, and local levels.

Now, if you centralize the civil service, it logically means you have stripped the regions of their powers to carry out all of the above functions. Then have you not by so doing abolished the regions and killed resource control?

Kewekubosineh:
You don't comment on issues you know little about.

Aguiyi ironsi wasn't tribalistic,but was trying to build a new nation reeling from January 15 coup. Unfortunately, centrifugal forces set in and put paid his ambition.

The northern officers in cahoots with emirs and community leaders instigated pogroms which ultimately consumed the nation. The follow up was civil war and total conflagration of Nigerian state.

You were not born in then. So, stop your posturing.

What led to the pogrom still playing out today.

You are being disingenuous. The crisis which Aguiyi Ironsi claimed informed his decision to take over government with the view of finding solution to was remotely caused by Tafawa Balewa's abuse of power which was his illegal and unconstitutional intervention in the purely internal affairs of the Western Region. Please recall that the whole trouble actually started when Tafawa Balewa illegally declared a state of emergency in pursuit of political advantage of his NPC-NCNC coalition to truncate Akintola's impeachment proceedings which was the desire of an overwhelming majority of the Western Region House of Assembly members. Tafawa Balewa's interference sparked off a cascade of events which culminated in the ill-advised January 15 1966 coup that only added salt to injury and threw the entire country into further chaos. Now, common sense dictated that any military man who took over power with a genuine intention to correct the system and rescue the nation should have removed more powers from the center at least to forestall Balewa's kind of illegal interference in any regions purely internal political affairs. But what did Ironsi do? He promulgated decrees which even further strengthened the center for greater abuses of power by future rulers. That means Ironsi didn't really have any intention to correct the structural ills of the system but to pursue a totally different agenda obviously for the benefit of his Igbo race.

buttlover:
He wasn't biased. He included all tribes to govern their respective regions. Tinubu's government is all about Yoruba

Yes
Dave umahi and Festus KeyAmo are Yoruba. You're not smart

gidgiddy:
You are not ashamed of your self? You are answering the name "Nigerian" , a British colonial slave name created in London by a white woman. This is your national identity

You are claiming a country the British from Europe created, as your country. You are nothing but a product of the British

Ojukwu fought for freedom. He fought for freedom from a country he knew would never work, and he was right, it has never worked.

So someone who is answering a name created in London by a white woman has no business lecturing Ojukwu on why he chose the name Biafra

When you are filling forms, which country do you normally fill as your country of Origin

@CityBoyMovement
#CityBoyMovement

Tinubu till 2031.

Deadlytruth:
What is the function of the civil service? Below is what AI has to say:

The civil service plays a crucial role in governance. Key functions include:
- *Policy Implementation*: Execute government policies and programs.
- *Public Service Delivery*: Provide essential services like healthcare, education, and infrastructure.
- *Regulation*: Enforce laws and regulations.
- *Advisory Role*: Offer expert advice to ministers and government officials.
- *Administration*: Manage public resources, including finances and personnel.
In Nigeria, civil servants operate at federal, state, and local levels.

Now, if you centralize the civil service, it logically means you have stripped the regions of their powers to carry out all of the above functions. Then have you not by so doing abolished the regions and killed resource control?

No military rule allows people to enjoy the same powers they had in democracy. Military rule will always take powers and centralised things, thats how they operate. But thats not the argument

The argument is that you people said Ironsi abolished the 4 Regions Nigeria had. We are glad you guys now realise it was Gowon that did that when he created 12 states

Cromagnon:
Yes
Dave umahi and Festus KeyAmo are Yoruba. You're not smart

out of over 50 key offices you mentioned two. Abeg shift